No, they do more than that. They go to 3rd-world countries in Africa and build churches and then teach people how "evil" gay people are, and encourage them to pass laws legalizing the murder of gay people
Your complaint seems a bit "one dimensional" and not meaninfully representative of the activities of Christian churches and relief organizations in areas such as Africa. (Speaking of Africa, have you seen the AIDs rates in some of those countries? It is a holocaust in the making. You may recall that President Bush dedicated billions to fight it. Any ideas as to his motiviation?)
As an Atheist, I truly Believe Africa Needs God – Matthew Parris
We do have a great candidate available who isn't an idiot and supports America's true interests. His name is Bernie.
Yeah, Bernie is a "great" candidate. @@
He isn't a "socialist," he is a Socialist, he says so himself. The most likely outcome if he becomes President is aiming for Sweden and achieving Venezuela.
The KSA is the real enemy in the region. Time to get rid of it.
Your clever plot to induce the US to attack the guardians of the Holy cities of Mecca and Medina and thereby instigate a conflict with the entire Muslim world is a bit obvious.
They claimed allegiance to ISIL, so what are you on about?
Today I learned that a crackpot can claim anything and someone will take them at their word.
Today I learned that Muslim extremists that proclaim their loyalty to a major Islamist terrorist group and then conduct attacks slaughtering many innocent people going about their business as that terrorist group has directed won't be taken at their word because.... reasons.... like they don't have embossed membership cards and receipts for dues? That must be it.
If you were to make it to the United States to attempt your campaign of terrorism you might find millions of Americans trained, armed, and willing to shoot you dead. That is the flip side.
... when millions of black African Christians and Animists were massacred in Sudan (many forced into slavery and forcibly converted to Islam) you never had the threat of Western intervention. Likewise, the mainly Christians of West Papua are currently facing Javanization and Islamization in Indonesia but the world is turning a blind eye once more just like they did when the Catholic Timorese were massacred in vast numbers by the same forces.
This isn't "coming home to roost," it is simply spreading. I've got news for you - Islamic extremism has a long a violent history that predates the US, and little of it involves the US or US corporations.
It's not the visit to Saudi Arabia that concerns me. Its all the spying that turned out to be useless. The same happened with the Boston bombers who were warned about by Russia and found that members of a mosque they went to warned the FBI.
It seems that the spying is only harassing honest citizens who not only do nothing wrong but aren't even realistically suspected of doing anything terrorist related.
That isn't what your example shows. Your example (Boston bombing (and others)) shows a big problem is follow up. Information get dropped or mishandled, or otherwise isn't used to start a timely investigation. This can be the result of not meeting a threshold, resource shortages (time, headcount), poor policy, incompetence, or other issues.
People keep trying to pretend that the government intelligence agencies are all seeing, all knowing, able to do anything, but that clearly isn't true.
On the other hand it is also true that they aren't going to broadcast most of their successes to protect their sources and methods.
I don't care, I would trust Iran far ahead of the US, you only have to look at recent history to see who the violent aggressive greedy money grabbers are, and it ain't Iran.
No doubt you'll do well with the gay killing, woman stoning, hand chopping, suicide bomber training, genocidal anti-Semites of the Iranian Theocracy.
You do know that the Iran has combat troops in Syria to prop up the Assad regime, the same one that performed the infamous Hama massacre? They also have troops in Iraq, and are backing rebels in Yemen, and terrorists in many places. For brevity we'll skip the world-wide activities of their Quds special forces.
Iran has most of its neighbors terrified, and some of them will seek nuclear weapons if they think Iran will get them.
You seem to be a natural fit for them. Both hate America.
SumDog is wrong about the coup in Iran. The Iranian Prime Minister was the one that overthrew the government. He dissolved parliament, was ruling by decree, faked an election to try to legitimize his actions, and refused the power of the head of state to remove him as is the customary power of heads of state. The Shah fled. The US and UK restored the Shah, the rightful head of state, back to power.
Iran will use nuclear weapons to intimidate its neighbors (which are already terrified by Iran) and likely attempt genocide against Israel. Israel and Iran were friends and allies before the Islamic revolution. The hatred of today is entirely the fault of Iran declaring Israel an enemy and treating it as such after the Islamic revolution in Iran.
They had a functioning democracy. They were even on their way to decent women's rights and progressivism. However, Anglo-Persian Oil Company (British Petroleum) didn't like how they wanted to nationalize their oil fields. So the US staged a coupé, and installed a dictator. There was another revolution later... and you get the idea.
No, Iran didn't have a "functioning democracy." The Prime Minister overthrew the "functioning democracy." He dissolved parliament, was ruling by decree, and faked an election in which he received a higher percentage of votes than either Hitler or Stalin in an attempt to "legitimize" his actions. Even worse, he refused the power of the head of state, the Shah, to remove him as would any monarch in a constitutional monarchy. That is the "functioning democracy" that was "overthrown." The US and UK didn't "install a dictator," they restored the rightful head of state, the Shah, to power after he fled the country in the face of the Prime Minister's coup overthrowing the government.
Wait wait. Um...America is a semi-theocracy (in the sense conservatives have used religion to bolster pro-war agendas)
Um... that isn't a theocracy or "semi-theocracy." Your claim is complete rubbish.
and is the largest state sponsor of terror in the world! The US has the largest air force, squadrons of remote killing machines (predator drones) and ten active air craft carriers (the nations with the 2nd largest fleets of aircraft carriers all have 2 or less).
No the US isn't the largest state sponsor of terror in the world. That is rubbish. If you want to try to claim that please provide the data?
The US has aircraft carriers?! Oh noes! So what? You might notice that the US is also far from many of its allies? What do you think that means?
You know why Iran wants nuclear weapons? They're not weapons. No one can actually use them today (Mutually Assured Destruction; if two or more nuclear nations launched weapons, the devastation would be beyond measure). It's the same reason Pakistan has them. It's about power.
No, they're actually weapons. Iran will use them to intimidate its neighbors that are already terrified of it, and may attempt genocide against Israel. Many of the Gulf States are on a weapons buying binge to try to counter Iran. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and possibly Turkey will obtain nuclear weapons if Iran does. On the other hand Britain may give up nuclear weapons which would leave France as the only European nuclear power. That would leave Europe open to nuclear threats by Iran. Iran already has missiles that can reach Europe, and a design for a nuclear warhead to fit those missiles.
They're scared, and rightfully so. The US, UK et al has been meddling in their nation for decades. None of these countries want war. All they want is to defend themselves from the US, Russia, the EU and anyone else that wants to take from them again.
More rubbish. Iran actively meddles in the affairs of many nations across the Middle East. It is directly backing rebels in Yemen, it supports Hezbollah in Lebanon, and has combat troops in Iraq and Syria. As I previously stated many of its neighbors are terrified by it and the threats that it makes. The Secretary General of the UN has rebuked Iran for the genocidal threats it makes against Israel. I don't know how you come up with this "poor little Iran" nonsense, but it has little relation to reality.
I tend to limit my comments to things I know a lot about. But this is the first time I've ever been called a troll. Makes me feel like a true member of the Slashdot community. };->
I would consider you a member in good standing - you have a highly moderated post and don't seem to know much about the FISA court.
There really isn't any part of your comment that applies to this situation. Collecting the phone records was a minor and relatively inexpensive program that doesn't have much of anything to do with the rest of their surveillance capabilities. They aren't doing this because of a court order but because of the President and Congress taking action.
"I think we need to ask ourselves the question if we do ourselves any good if we continue to support all kinds of kernels that simply cannot keep up with Linux anymore."
I guess we'll see how writing non-portable *nix code as a strategy works out in the long run. I'm not a fan of the idea. It certainly makes for some big trade-offs. I like having the same desktop available on multiple platforms (and different Linux distros don't count for that).
More specifically, systemd is Linux-only. The devs have explicitly stated that they are making good use of Linux-specific features. Fine, but if third party software becomes dependent on it then that implies they won't work on *BSD at all. Right? So now there's no Gnome or KDE on anything but Linux.
Seems reminiscent of "embrace and extend" in spirit.
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No, they do more than that. They go to 3rd-world countries in Africa and build churches and then teach people how "evil" gay people are, and encourage them to pass laws legalizing the murder of gay people
Your complaint seems a bit "one dimensional" and not meaninfully representative of the activities of Christian churches and relief organizations in areas such as Africa. (Speaking of Africa, have you seen the AIDs rates in some of those countries? It is a holocaust in the making. You may recall that President Bush dedicated billions to fight it. Any ideas as to his motiviation?)
As an Atheist, I truly Believe Africa Needs God – Matthew Parris
We do have a great candidate available who isn't an idiot and supports America's true interests. His name is Bernie.
Yeah, Bernie is a "great" candidate. @@
He isn't a "socialist," he is a Socialist, he says so himself. The most likely outcome if he becomes President is aiming for Sweden and achieving Venezuela.
The PM of Denmark had to correct him: Danish PM in US: Denmark is not socialist
The KSA is the real enemy in the region. Time to get rid of it.
Your clever plot to induce the US to attack the guardians of the Holy cities of Mecca and Medina and thereby instigate a conflict with the entire Muslim world is a bit obvious.
I guess you haven't heard the news.
Obama: New citizens can skip pledge to take up arms and defend the U.S.
They claimed allegiance to ISIL, so what are you on about?
Today I learned that a crackpot can claim anything and someone will take them at their word.
Today I learned that Muslim extremists that proclaim their loyalty to a major Islamist terrorist group and then conduct attacks slaughtering many innocent people going about their business as that terrorist group has directed won't be taken at their word because .... reasons .... like they don't have embossed membership cards and receipts for dues? That must be it.
If you were to make it to the United States to attempt your campaign of terrorism you might find millions of Americans trained, armed, and willing to shoot you dead. That is the flip side.
I would say then that Chief Flynn doesn't know what he is talking about.
I'm pretty sure that the 15 year old murder didn't have a concealed carry permit, and wasn't carrying the gun lawfully.
Are you sure about that?
450,000 Christians Flee From Muslim Attacks in the Central African Republic
... when millions of black African Christians and Animists were massacred in Sudan (many forced into slavery and forcibly converted to Islam) you never had the threat of Western intervention. Likewise, the mainly Christians of West Papua are currently facing Javanization and Islamization in Indonesia but the world is turning a blind eye once more just like they did when the Catholic Timorese were massacred in vast numbers by the same forces.
African Christians Slaughtered by ISIS-Affiliates
This isn't "coming home to roost," it is simply spreading. I've got news for you - Islamic extremism has a long a violent history that predates the US, and little of it involves the US or US corporations.
It's not the visit to Saudi Arabia that concerns me. Its all the spying that turned out to be useless. The same happened with the Boston bombers who were warned about by Russia and found that members of a mosque they went to warned the FBI.
It seems that the spying is only harassing honest citizens who not only do nothing wrong but aren't even realistically suspected of doing anything terrorist related.
That isn't what your example shows. Your example (Boston bombing (and others)) shows a big problem is follow up. Information get dropped or mishandled, or otherwise isn't used to start a timely investigation. This can be the result of not meeting a threshold, resource shortages (time, headcount), poor policy, incompetence, or other issues.
People keep trying to pretend that the government intelligence agencies are all seeing, all knowing, able to do anything, but that clearly isn't true.
On the other hand it is also true that they aren't going to broadcast most of their successes to protect their sources and methods.
So where do you think I've got this wrong? Perhaps the problem is simply that you are living up to your handle?
I don't care, I would trust Iran far ahead of the US, you only have to look at recent history to see who the violent aggressive greedy money grabbers are, and it ain't Iran.
No doubt you'll do well with the gay killing, woman stoning, hand chopping, suicide bomber training, genocidal anti-Semites of the Iranian Theocracy.
You do know that the Iran has combat troops in Syria to prop up the Assad regime, the same one that performed the infamous Hama massacre? They also have troops in Iraq, and are backing rebels in Yemen, and terrorists in many places. For brevity we'll skip the world-wide activities of their Quds special forces.
Iran has most of its neighbors terrified, and some of them will seek nuclear weapons if they think Iran will get them.
You seem to be a natural fit for them. Both hate America.
Just to inform you: that has nothing to do with theocracy.
People are still dumb enough to believe Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program?
Stating that simple fact could get you mod bombed for the last decade on Slashdot.
SumDog is wrong about the coup in Iran. The Iranian Prime Minister was the one that overthrew the government. He dissolved parliament, was ruling by decree, faked an election to try to legitimize his actions, and refused the power of the head of state to remove him as is the customary power of heads of state. The Shah fled. The US and UK restored the Shah, the rightful head of state, back to power.
Iran will use nuclear weapons to intimidate its neighbors (which are already terrified by Iran) and likely attempt genocide against Israel. Israel and Iran were friends and allies before the Islamic revolution. The hatred of today is entirely the fault of Iran declaring Israel an enemy and treating it as such after the Islamic revolution in Iran.
They had a functioning democracy. They were even on their way to decent women's rights and progressivism. However, Anglo-Persian Oil Company (British Petroleum) didn't like how they wanted to nationalize their oil fields. So the US staged a coupé, and installed a dictator. There was another revolution later ... and you get the idea.
No, Iran didn't have a "functioning democracy." The Prime Minister overthrew the "functioning democracy." He dissolved parliament, was ruling by decree, and faked an election in which he received a higher percentage of votes than either Hitler or Stalin in an attempt to "legitimize" his actions. Even worse, he refused the power of the head of state, the Shah, to remove him as would any monarch in a constitutional monarchy. That is the "functioning democracy" that was "overthrown." The US and UK didn't "install a dictator," they restored the rightful head of state, the Shah, to power after he fled the country in the face of the Prime Minister's coup overthrowing the government.
Wait wait. Um...America is a semi-theocracy (in the sense conservatives have used religion to bolster pro-war agendas)
Um ... that isn't a theocracy or "semi-theocracy." Your claim is complete rubbish.
and is the largest state sponsor of terror in the world! The US has the largest air force, squadrons of remote killing machines (predator drones) and ten active air craft carriers (the nations with the 2nd largest fleets of aircraft carriers all have 2 or less).
No the US isn't the largest state sponsor of terror in the world. That is rubbish. If you want to try to claim that please provide the data?
The US has aircraft carriers?! Oh noes! So what? You might notice that the US is also far from many of its allies? What do you think that means?
You know why Iran wants nuclear weapons? They're not weapons. No one can actually use them today (Mutually Assured Destruction; if two or more nuclear nations launched weapons, the devastation would be beyond measure). It's the same reason Pakistan has them. It's about power.
No, they're actually weapons. Iran will use them to intimidate its neighbors that are already terrified of it, and may attempt genocide against Israel. Many of the Gulf States are on a weapons buying binge to try to counter Iran. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and possibly Turkey will obtain nuclear weapons if Iran does. On the other hand Britain may give up nuclear weapons which would leave France as the only European nuclear power. That would leave Europe open to nuclear threats by Iran. Iran already has missiles that can reach Europe, and a design for a nuclear warhead to fit those missiles.
They're scared, and rightfully so. The US, UK et al has been meddling in their nation for decades. None of these countries want war. All they want is to defend themselves from the US, Russia, the EU and anyone else that wants to take from them again.
More rubbish. Iran actively meddles in the affairs of many nations across the Middle East. It is directly backing rebels in Yemen, it supports Hezbollah in Lebanon, and has combat troops in Iraq and Syria. As I previously stated many of its neighbors are terrified by it and the threats that it makes. The Secretary General of the UN has rebuked Iran for the genocidal threats it makes against Israel. I don't know how you come up with this "poor little Iran" nonsense, but it has little relation to reality.
I think that's a fair representation of your understanding of the subject.
I tend to limit my comments to things I know a lot about. But this is the first time I've ever been called a troll. Makes me feel like a true member of the Slashdot community. };->
I would consider you a member in good standing - you have a highly moderated post and don't seem to know much about the FISA court.
What is the FISA court?
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court
You'll know you've stepped up your game when you regularly get modded down for posting factual, relevant material about the topic being discussed.
There really isn't any part of your comment that applies to this situation. Collecting the phone records was a minor and relatively inexpensive program that doesn't have much of anything to do with the rest of their surveillance capabilities. They aren't doing this because of a court order but because of the President and Congress taking action.
It seems you just don't understand its application.
In no particular order:
C.A.R. Hoare
Perr Brinch Hansen
Gordon Bell
Dave Cutler
Clearly it should be extensible in Lisp .... and include an editor .... and be bootable apart from the operating system ..... hmm .. that sounds familiar.
So now there's no Gnome or KDE on anything but Linux.
That is Lennart's plan. Here's what he says::
"I
think we need to ask ourselves the question if we do ourselves any good
if we continue to support all kinds of kernels that simply cannot keep
up with Linux anymore."
I guess we'll see how writing non-portable *nix code as a strategy works out in the long run. I'm not a fan of the idea. It certainly makes for some big trade-offs. I like having the same desktop available on multiple platforms (and different Linux distros don't count for that).
More specifically, systemd is Linux-only. The devs have explicitly stated that they are making good use of Linux-specific features. Fine, but if third party software becomes dependent on it then that implies they won't work on *BSD at all. Right? So now there's no Gnome or KDE on anything but Linux.
Seems reminiscent of "embrace and extend" in spirit.
It has its charms.
Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications Overview