Even if some Marine Lieutenant Colonel writes a memo advocating actions to take during nuclear war or mass insurrection, that doesn't either make it national policy or legal. It is nonsense.
Reached by telephone Sunday at his home in northern Virginia, Brinkerhoff denounced as 'ridiculous' the report involving him and the Marine now at the center of the Iran-Contra scandal.
Saying he left government in 1982, Brinkerhoff added, 'There never was a plan to install martial law or martial rule. The whole purpose of emergency preparedness is and was to maintain civil rule.
'A lot of memos and lot of plans were written. We have a responsibility to plan for mobilization in case of emergency or war. As far as some evil plot... it simply is untrue.'
Probably not. It is pretty common for people to become radicalized during or after their education. If it was all planned you would expect to see clustering around majors that directly related to creation of bombs or weapons, but I doubt that is the case. Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, studied architecture and urban planning. He was strongly influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood during his education.
As already reported, on Oct. 3 and 4 October the Turkish airspace was violated by Russian Air Force Su-30SM and Su-24 aircraft in the Hatay region.
During the first incident, the Russian Su-30SM (initially referred to as a Mig-29 by the Turkish military) maintained a radar lock on one or both the F-16s for a full 5 minutes and 40 seconds before the aircraft departed the Turkish airspace. As explained, this was a rather unusual incident: violations occur every now and then, but usually aircraft involved in the interception do not lock on the “target” in order to prevent dangerous situations.
Well it happened again on Oct. 5 and, to make the whole story more mysterious, it looks like the aircraft was identified as a Mig-29 from an unidentified nation/air force.
According to the Turkish General Staff, the Mig-29 locked on at least one of 8 TuAF F-16s performing CAP (Combat Air Patrol) on the border with Syria. What is more, the lock on lasted 4 minutes and 30 seconds.
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Small strays at the bad side of a border are common and are not worthy of an incident.
If you refer to that quote above, Russian aircraft have previously sent many minutes in Turkish airspace, and put a radar lock on Turkish aircraft while in Turkish airspace. The Russians haven't merely had "minor straying" into Turkish airspace, but highly provocative and lengthy ones. The Russians are playing a dangerous game.
The Turks are clearly looking for war with Russia for whatever reason.
You seem to have it mostly backwards there. The Russians are trying to intimidate the Turks as they have been trying to do with some other countries, such as nuclear threats against Denmark.
Or their political leaders do not realise Russia is not Armenia and they are going to react.
I think it is the Russians that are mistaking Turkey for a country that won't react, and they are testing NATO resolve. Will Obama's America back them? Who knows?
Until now, if you watch the images of Russian planes in Syria, you see they fly with old air-air missiles (R-27s) which show they didn't really expect anyone would be dumb enough to start a fight with them.
The Russians probably though nobody would push back to their provocations.
The R-27 is still in front line service, and new variants continue to be developed. Your comment seems to be nonsense.
I hope NATO will stay out of this. If they start a WW3, I desert. I won't fight or even pay taxes for islamists.
If Russia attacks Turkey then Turkey is well within its rights to seek NATO assistance. Turkey would be expected to assist if another NATO country, say France, were to request assistance.
Europe has a growing number of Islamists within its borders.
I find swatting... Endlessly amusing. I find it amusing because it exposes a fundamental flaw in telecom systems.
You're quite mistaken there. It isn't a "fundamental flaw in telecom systems," it is a flaw in the social system. Fortunately there is an excellent patch for this issue. The problem is that it isn't used enough. If the patch was applied more regularly the problem would be likely to pretty much disappear. Will you be volunteering to demonstrate?
No, it wasn't. At one point there were moderate factions fighting against Assad, but the gifted members of the current US administration dragged their feet in providing them support until they were largely destroyed or driven out to be supplanted by extremist factions.
Letting all of your potential allies be destroyed before you lift a finger is a bad strategy if you actually want to have allies for the fight. If the US wouldn't have gone to war while Britain was still in it things would have been very dark indeed. In that case it would be unlikely that the US would liberate Europe itself from the continental US. Europe's future would be slavery under the Soviet Union, Germany, or Italy. That wouldn't bode well for the US.
As directed by Moscow, Communists in the US and Europe opposed war to to aid that other "fine bunch of socialists" running Germany. That changed once the Soviet Union was invaded.
Using the power of the state to commit mass slaughter of civilians whether by violence or starvation is a very different thing than open warfare against a peer state.
It was poor against poor whilst the rich raked in the rewards.
I think you have probably gotten hold of some defective history there. WW1 was a disaster for the old order in Europe. The privileged were tallied on the butcher's bill just as the poor.
Public school alumni suffered disproportionately heavy losses during the Great War. Whereas some 11 per cent of all those who served in the war died as a direct result of the fighting, the figure for public school boys was over 18 per cent. Those who left school between 1908 and 1915 died at even higher rates, serving on the front line as junior officers or as pilots in the Royal Flying Corps. The losses sustained by the upper and middle classes were heavy. Lord Salisbury, who was prime minister until 1902, was not untypical in losing five of his ten grandsons. Whatever else, the products of public schools were not shirkers. The vast majority could not have been more different to Captain Blackadder.
Heavy war debt, significant losses to manpower, ruined economies,.... WW1 was no great bounty to the nations that fought it.
The Communists opposed war against Germany while the Soviet Union was friends with them after having singed a non-aggression pact, invaded and split Poland's territory, and committed the Katyn massacre.
That is the key thing here. There are almost certainly kickbacks to various local officials that pushed the purchase through. Follow the money, send them to jail.
I believe there were some well greased palms in Iraq.
War Is a Racket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... by retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler:)
When on the battlefield Smedley Butler was among the bravest and greatest warriors the US has produced.
When engaging in politics Smedley Butler partook of crank fringe politics, threw in with Communists, and tried to delay the US entry into WW2.
I would find his views about assaulting a fortress to be highly interesting, and his views about governing to be nonsense.
Originally, as in the start of the current crisis. It even mentions it i the article you linked to. Didn't you read it? It seems likely you didn't. For all of the song and dance you just provided I don't see anything showing "profits" in the CAR. Terrorism isn't a business, but some business engage in terrorism to support their business. Example: Narco-terrorists in Central/South America Terrorism isn't a business, but some terrorist groups engage in business or crime to get the funds to continue fighting for their goal. Example: Hezbollah has thousands of agents in the US, many of them engaging in cigarette smuggling to get funds for the main organization. Al Qaeda used kidnapping and bank robberies to fund itself in Iraq. There is little mystery in most of this except what on earth you are going on about.
The brutalities began to escalate when the country’s first Muslim leader, Michel Djotodia, stepped down and went into exile last month. Djotodia, who had seized power in a coup last March, had been under pressure from regional leaders to resign....
Christians have also been victims of violence, targeted by Muslims in this complex communal conflict that U.N. and humanitarian officials fear could implode into genocide. Several hundred thousand Christians remain in crowded, squalid camps, unable or too afraid to return home. . . . Djotodia’s departure weakened the former Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, who carried out deadly attacks on Christians after they grabbed power in March, prompting the birth of Christian militias called the anti-balaka, or “anti-machete” in the local Sango language. The armed vigilantes have used the power vacuum to step up assaults on Muslims.
In summary - Muslims seize power and attack Christians, Christians defend themselves and drive off Muslims, you blame Christians.
That was two wasted words. Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense and Vice President, he wasn't in the intelligence community. He also doesn't seem to suffer from various personality disorders and syndromes common here. He has also been away from power for a very long time and yet he still bothers you. I suspect that is more a reflection of what is going on between your ears than his.
I don't know what's scarier, ISIS itself, or the fact that international intelligence agencies are so clearly inept that they're actually incapable of stopping any sort of terror attacks. If they actually DID manage to stop terror attacks, they would be trumpeting their victories loudly and on the front page of every newspaper and every news website this side of the GMT line. The fact that they haven't is pretty much proof positive that in fact they haven't managed to do a damn thing.
In Western Europe and the US and Canada there have been probably thousands of arrests and convictions for terrorism related offenses, including interrupted plots. On Slashdot they never count because the Slashmob is always making excuses: they are too stupid, stupid terrorists don't count. They are using pathetic means, real terrorists use XXX so they don't count. Although the suspect pushed the button to explode the bomb, it was a sting, and therefore the suspect was put up to it and it doesn't count. They just arrested "brown people" so that doesn't count. And on, and on, and on.
If you don't know this then you should probably just pack up your computer and ship it back since it doesn't seem to be useful in keeping your informed.
That is before we get to the subject of people on Slashdot doing what they can to make terrorists harder to find or detect. And then there is the faction that have fantasies of oppression such that they declare their willingness to engage in terrorism themselves.
A couple of problems there. First, hijackings weren't the only thing under discussion, far from it. The scenarios laid out for hijackings (freeing prisoners) would have worked against your plan since failure to accommodate them could be more likely to cause needless death. (Fly where we tell you or the bomb goes off. Free the prisoners or the bomb goes off.) Up until the actual 9/11 attacks it had generally been better to cooperate with the hijackers until rescue could be arranged.
In the text you quote you left off mention of surveillance of Federal buildings in New York. You would wouldn't need that for hijackings, but you would for bombings or assaults. In the next paragraph it mentions attacks with bombs.
There wasn't enough in that report to foresee the actual type of attacks planned for 9/11, nor what would be necessary to defeat them. In any event it isn't the President's job to divine that from his daily briefings. That is up to the intelligence agencies.
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Even if some Marine Lieutenant Colonel writes a memo advocating actions to take during nuclear war or mass insurrection, that doesn't either make it national policy or legal. It is nonsense.
Report says North authored plan to suspend Constitution
Reached by telephone Sunday at his home in northern Virginia, Brinkerhoff denounced as 'ridiculous' the report involving him and the Marine now at the center of the Iran-Contra scandal.
Saying he left government in 1982, Brinkerhoff added, 'There never was a plan to install martial law or martial rule. The whole purpose of emergency preparedness is and was to maintain civil rule.
'A lot of memos and lot of plans were written. We have a responsibility to plan for mobilization in case of emergency or war. As far as some evil plot ... it simply is untrue.'
The missing idea is known as MILITARY SUPPORT TO CIVIL AUTHORITIES: THE ROLE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE IN SUPPORT OF HOMELAND DEFENSE
That's not martial law.
War is terrorism.
Words have meaning and you aren't getting either war or terrorism right. It appears the "ever helpful" Juan Cole has mislead you.
WW1 and WW2 were war, not terrorism.
Probably not. It is pretty common for people to become radicalized during or after their education. If it was all planned you would expect to see clustering around majors that directly related to creation of bombs or weapons, but I doubt that is the case. Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, studied architecture and urban planning. He was strongly influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood during his education.
There is obviously a correlation between being dateless and becoming a terrorist.
It probably isn't especially high. It isn't hard to find examples of suicide bombers that were married.
Couple planned Isil suicide bombing of Westfield or Tube, court hears
Married to monster
Saddam Rewards Suicide Bombers' Families
Some innacuraties
You see to be contributing a few yourself.
No Mig-29 has ever locked a Turkish plane in the region. The Russians have none there.
That's not true, it happened just last month, as shown below. Also, planes are mobile, they can come and go.
It has happened again.a Turkish Air Force F-16 was locked on by an “unidentified” Mig-29 .
As already reported, on Oct. 3 and 4 October the Turkish airspace was violated by Russian Air Force Su-30SM and Su-24 aircraft in the Hatay region.
During the first incident, the Russian Su-30SM (initially referred to as a Mig-29 by the Turkish military) maintained a radar lock on one or both the F-16s for a full 5 minutes and 40 seconds before the aircraft departed the Turkish airspace. As explained, this was a rather unusual incident: violations occur every now and then, but usually aircraft involved in the interception do not lock on the “target” in order to prevent dangerous situations.
Well it happened again on Oct. 5 and, to make the whole story more mysterious, it looks like the aircraft was identified as a Mig-29 from an unidentified nation/air force.
According to the Turkish General Staff, the Mig-29 locked on at least one of 8 TuAF F-16s performing CAP (Combat Air Patrol) on the border with Syria. What is more, the lock on lasted 4 minutes and 30 seconds.
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Small strays at the bad side of a border are common and are not worthy of an incident.
If you refer to that quote above, Russian aircraft have previously sent many minutes in Turkish airspace, and put a radar lock on Turkish aircraft while in Turkish airspace. The Russians haven't merely had "minor straying" into Turkish airspace, but highly provocative and lengthy ones. The Russians are playing a dangerous game.
The Turks are clearly looking for war with Russia for whatever reason.
You seem to have it mostly backwards there. The Russians are trying to intimidate the Turks as they have been trying to do with some other countries, such as nuclear threats against Denmark.
Or their political leaders do not realise Russia is not Armenia and they are going to react.
I think it is the Russians that are mistaking Turkey for a country that won't react, and they are testing NATO resolve. Will Obama's America back them? Who knows?
Until now, if you watch the images of Russian planes in Syria, you see they fly with old air-air missiles (R-27s) which show they didn't really expect anyone would be dumb enough to start a fight with them.
The Russians probably though nobody would push back to their provocations.
The R-27 is still in front line service, and new variants continue to be developed. Your comment seems to be nonsense.
I hope NATO will stay out of this. If they start a WW3, I desert. I won't fight or even pay taxes for islamists.
If Russia attacks Turkey then Turkey is well within its rights to seek NATO assistance. Turkey would be expected to assist if another NATO country, say France, were to request assistance.
Europe has a growing number of Islamists within its borders.
I find swatting ... Endlessly amusing. I find it amusing because it exposes a fundamental flaw in telecom systems.
You're quite mistaken there. It isn't a "fundamental flaw in telecom systems," it is a flaw in the social system. Fortunately there is an excellent patch for this issue. The problem is that it isn't used enough. If the patch was applied more regularly the problem would be likely to pretty much disappear. Will you be volunteering to demonstrate?
Might even be high enough value to qualify as a felony which makes tradition easier / possible.
You don't want the damn gravel! What are you supposed to do with it?
Evidence for a fraud case? I'm pretty sure neither the gravel nor the delivery were free.
No, it wasn't. At one point there were moderate factions fighting against Assad, but the gifted members of the current US administration dragged their feet in providing them support until they were largely destroyed or driven out to be supplanted by extremist factions.
WW1 started with one man being shot dead. A downed aircraft is just as good to start WW3.
Letting all of your potential allies be destroyed before you lift a finger is a bad strategy if you actually want to have allies for the fight. If the US wouldn't have gone to war while Britain was still in it things would have been very dark indeed. In that case it would be unlikely that the US would liberate Europe itself from the continental US. Europe's future would be slavery under the Soviet Union, Germany, or Italy. That wouldn't bode well for the US.
As directed by Moscow, Communists in the US and Europe opposed war to to aid that other "fine bunch of socialists" running Germany. That changed once the Soviet Union was invaded.
Using the power of the state to commit mass slaughter of civilians whether by violence or starvation is a very different thing than open warfare against a peer state.
World War 2 had nothing to do with the "Banana Wars". Butler's views on entering WW2 were mistaken. His political views marked him as a crank.
It was poor against poor whilst the rich raked in the rewards.
I think you have probably gotten hold of some defective history there. WW1 was a disaster for the old order in Europe. The privileged were tallied on the butcher's bill just as the poor.
The real Eton Rifles: the heroism of public school boys in the First World War
Public school alumni suffered disproportionately heavy losses during the Great War. Whereas some 11 per cent of all those who served in the war died as a direct result of the fighting, the figure for public school boys was over 18 per cent. Those who left school between 1908 and 1915 died at even higher rates, serving on the front line as junior officers or as pilots in the Royal Flying Corps. The losses sustained by the upper and middle classes were heavy. Lord Salisbury, who was prime minister until 1902, was not untypical in losing five of his ten grandsons. Whatever else, the products of public schools were not shirkers. The vast majority could not have been more different to Captain Blackadder.
Heavy war debt, significant losses to manpower, ruined economies, .... WW1 was no great bounty to the nations that fought it.
The Communists opposed war against Germany while the Soviet Union was friends with them after having singed a non-aggression pact, invaded and split Poland's territory, and committed the Katyn massacre.
In WW2 it wasn't just the poor that got killed.
WW2. It had nothing to do with the "Banana Wars" and Butler worked to delay the US entry. It could have spelled disaster for the Western world.
That is the key thing here. There are almost certainly kickbacks to various local officials that pushed the purchase through. Follow the money, send them to jail.
I believe there were some well greased palms in Iraq.
War Is a Racket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... by retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler :)
When on the battlefield Smedley Butler was among the bravest and greatest warriors the US has produced.
When engaging in politics Smedley Butler partook of crank fringe politics, threw in with Communists, and tried to delay the US entry into WW2.
I would find his views about assaulting a fortress to be highly interesting, and his views about governing to be nonsense.
It's sad to see you recommending him.
Originally, as in the start of the current crisis. It even mentions it i the article you linked to. Didn't you read it? It seems likely you didn't.
For all of the song and dance you just provided I don't see anything showing "profits" in the CAR.
Terrorism isn't a business, but some business engage in terrorism to support their business. Example: Narco-terrorists in Central/South America
Terrorism isn't a business, but some terrorist groups engage in business or crime to get the funds to continue fighting for their goal. Example: Hezbollah has thousands of agents in the US, many of them engaging in cigarette smuggling to get funds for the main organization. Al Qaeda used kidnapping and bank robberies to fund itself in Iraq.
There is little mystery in most of this except what on earth you are going on about.
It's self-defense when they are the ones that were originally attacked. Try your crap on someone else.
I doubt that either Cheney or Rumsfeld are sociopaths. Cheney did back "gay marriage."
Well, well, what do I find at your link?
The brutalities began to escalate when the country’s first Muslim leader, Michel Djotodia, stepped down and went into exile last month. Djotodia, who had seized power in a coup last March, had been under pressure from regional leaders to resign. ...
Christians have also been victims of violence, targeted by Muslims in this complex communal conflict that U.N. and humanitarian officials fear could implode into genocide. Several hundred thousand Christians remain in crowded, squalid camps, unable or too afraid to return home.
. . .
Djotodia’s departure weakened the former Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, who carried out deadly attacks on Christians after they grabbed power in March, prompting the birth of Christian militias called the anti-balaka, or “anti-machete” in the local Sango language. The armed vigilantes have used the power vacuum to step up assaults on Muslims.
In summary - Muslims seize power and attack Christians, Christians defend themselves and drive off Muslims, you blame Christians.
Your "progressive" credentials are impeccable.
That was two wasted words. Dick Cheney was Secretary of Defense and Vice President, he wasn't in the intelligence community. He also doesn't seem to suffer from various personality disorders and syndromes common here. He has also been away from power for a very long time and yet he still bothers you. I suspect that is more a reflection of what is going on between your ears than his.
I don't know what's scarier, ISIS itself, or the fact that international intelligence agencies are so clearly inept that they're actually incapable of stopping any sort of terror attacks. If they actually DID manage to stop terror attacks, they would be trumpeting their victories loudly and on the front page of every newspaper and every news website this side of the GMT line. The fact that they haven't is pretty much proof positive that in fact they haven't managed to do a damn thing.
In Western Europe and the US and Canada there have been probably thousands of arrests and convictions for terrorism related offenses, including interrupted plots. On Slashdot they never count because the Slashmob is always making excuses: they are too stupid, stupid terrorists don't count. They are using pathetic means, real terrorists use XXX so they don't count. Although the suspect pushed the button to explode the bomb, it was a sting, and therefore the suspect was put up to it and it doesn't count. They just arrested "brown people" so that doesn't count. And on, and on, and on.
If you don't know this then you should probably just pack up your computer and ship it back since it doesn't seem to be useful in keeping your informed.
That is before we get to the subject of people on Slashdot doing what they can to make terrorists harder to find or detect. And then there is the faction that have fantasies of oppression such that they declare their willingness to engage in terrorism themselves.
Lots more people are going to die.
I'm sorry, I must have missed your link to actual data.
Grow up.
A couple of problems there. First, hijackings weren't the only thing under discussion, far from it. The scenarios laid out for hijackings (freeing prisoners) would have worked against your plan since failure to accommodate them could be more likely to cause needless death. (Fly where we tell you or the bomb goes off. Free the prisoners or the bomb goes off.) Up until the actual 9/11 attacks it had generally been better to cooperate with the hijackers until rescue could be arranged.
In the text you quote you left off mention of surveillance of Federal buildings in New York. You would wouldn't need that for hijackings, but you would for bombings or assaults. In the next paragraph it mentions attacks with bombs.
There wasn't enough in that report to foresee the actual type of attacks planned for 9/11, nor what would be necessary to defeat them. In any event it isn't the President's job to divine that from his daily briefings. That is up to the intelligence agencies.