President Gordon B. Hinckley, prior president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made the following statement in 1998 about the Church’s position on plural marriage:
“This Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church.... If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
Don't most single men want a woman that will have sex with them without a whole lot effort and without having to have something as burdensome as a relationship with them in order to get it?
When Alan Grayson called a female corporate lobbyist a "K-Street whore" -- and was attacked as crude and sexist at the same time that he was lauded as gutsy and honest -- he played a role in a familiar script: hero of the left (MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher) attacks female villain (Hillary Rodham Clinton, Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin) using sexist language. Progressive feminists soul-search about liberal misogyny. Mainstream media talk about sexism for 5 seconds. Then the media move on, and no one learns a thing. Repeat.
It happened again just two weeks ago, when Olbermann called Malkin a "big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it" during the "Worst Person in the World" segment of Countdown. The creepily fleshy insult followed Olbermann's rendition of Malkin's e-mails....
So there's obvious problem No. 1 with leftist firebrands dipping into sexist imagery and language to bash conservative women: nothing's more fun than highlighting the hypocrisy of your opponents.
If I had a dollar for every time libs have called me a "Manila whore" and "Subic Bay bar girl," Iâ(TM)d be able to pay for a ticket to a Hollywood-for-Obama fundraiser. To the HuffPo left, whore is my middle name.
Self-serving opponents argue that such attacks do not represent "respectable," "mainstream" liberal opinion about their conservative female counterparts. But it was feminist godmother Gloria Steinem who called Texas Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison a "female impersonator." It was NOW leader Patricia Ireland who commanded her flock to only vote for "authentic" female political candidates. It was Al Gore consultant Naomi Wolf who accused the late Jeane Kirkpatrick of being "uninflected by the experiences of the female body."
It was Matt Taibbi, now of Rolling Stone magazine, who mocked my early championing of the tea party movement by jibing: "Now when I read her stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of (redacted) in her mouth. It vastly improves her prose."
It was Keith Olbermann, then at MSNBC and now at Al Goreâ(TM)s Current TV, who wrote on Twitter that columnist S.E. Cupp was "a perfect demonstration of the necessity of the work Planned Parenthood does" and who called me a "mashed up bag of meat with lipstick on it." He stands by those remarks. Olbermann has been a special guest at the White House.
Some of us have not forgotten when liberal Wisconsin radio host John "Sly" Sylvester outrageously accused GOP Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch of performing "fellatio on all the talk-show hosts in Milwaukee" and sneered that she had "pulled a train" (a crude phrase for gang sex). (Earlier, he called former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a "black trophy" and "Aunt Jemima.")
Or when MSNBC misogynist Ed Schultz called talk show host Laura Ingraham a "talk slut" for criticizing Obamaâ(TM)s petty beer summit. Or when Playboy published a list of the top 10 conservative women who deserved to be "hate-f**ked." The article, which was promoted by Anne Schroeder Mullins at Politico.com, included Ingraham, "The View's" Elisabeth Hasselbeck, former Bush spokeswoman Dana Perino, GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann and others. Yours truly topped the list with the following description: a "highly f**kable Filipina" and âoea regular on Fox News, where her tight body and get-off-my-lawn stare just scream, 'Do me!'"
And then thereâ(TM)s the leftâ(TM)s war on Sarah Palin, which would require an entire national forest of trees to publish.
You've got me curious as to how it is that you miss this kind of stuff?
Is anyone else curious how the guy fit his [presumably 3-dimensional] son into a two-dimensional (6'x8') "box"?
There's no mystery, he is obviously a Time Lord. As to the "box," it is more of a galactic trivia question than a mystery. Since it has to fold in an extra dimension a normal TARDIS won't do, it is in fact a RETARDIS.
By 1680, 10,000 Quakers had been imprisoned in England, and 243 had died of torture and mistreatment in the King's jails. This reign of terror impelled Friends to seek refuge in New Jersey in the 1670s, where they soon became well entrenched. In 1681, when Quaker leader William Penn (1644-1718) parlayed a debt owed by Charles II to his father into a charter for the province of Pennsylvania, many more Quakers were prepared to grasp the opportunity to live in a land where they might worship freely. By 1685 as many as 8,000 Quakers had come to Pennsylvania. Although the Quakers may have resembled the Puritans in some religious beliefs and practices, they differed with them over the necessity of compelling religious uniformity in society.
Since members of the LDS faith freely practice it, build new temples, and live in all parts of the country you seem to have that wrong as well.
I'm pretty sure the Chinese would agree with me. If you trace the stack: Shinto had nothing to do with 9/11, it did have something to do with events in the 1940s. If you have a different understanding of events I would be interested in the details.
Interesting theory, but it leaves some ground uncovered: 2014 was an off year election and turnout for them is pretty much always lower. There were many democrats that were more than a little disenchanted with the Obama admin. Obamacare was already starting to give people sticker shock, and it will get worse. With the Republicans back in control of the House they could engage in meaninful oversight, especially on things that were "uninteresting " to the Dems. The IRS scandal is one of those. (I consider that one far more dangerous to the Republic than the NSA stuff.) 2014 was far enough along that Obama began to own his administrations record - no more Bush!!
Hard to say how 2016 will turn out. I can't believe the Democratic party will really run Hillary. New scandals emerge daily - Clinton Foundations funding, fudged tax records, foreign doners, Uranium for Russia, more to come.....
Have a nice evening
Thanks, you too. That Gatorade is great stuff. Cheers
Thanks kind of funny since the Russian army stil uses the goose step, and the US military never has. Interesting symbolism.
Kind of fits in with Russia invading Ukraine to steal Crimea (and was willing to use nuclear weapons to do it). Now Russia is sending troops into Ukraine's border regions to try to steal that away. Russia just openly threatened Denmark with nuclear weapons. Russia is also threatening Moldova, and the Baltic nations. Finland is concerned. Poland considers itself under threat. Russia has been sending bombers and naval vessels, and submarines to probe Sweden, the UK, and US.
And certainly Snowden is a hero in Russia for making millions of Top Secret documents on US intelligence systems available to Russia.
Wouldn't it be a pity if someday the goose stepping is outside your window? Maybe that will be sauce for the goose as well.
You'll have to be more specific than that if you want to arrive at a useful understanding. I'm pretty sure that Shinto has nothing to do with it, unlike events in the 1940s. It makes a difference.
You might want to spend some time considering the implications of the difference between domestic violence and deliberate terrorist attacks intended to produce mass casualties.
Actually, we did. Like most Americans, sadly, you know nothing of history beyond, say, 1980 or some such. If you did know some history, you would know...
Like many people on Slashdot you seem to have a defective knowledge of history and the church.
If one were to look into the history they would find that you either grossly exagerate on these matters, or are simply wrong. Many of the early colonies were formed by religous sects coming from Europe. Once in America they adopted the European customs of institutionalizing the church with the government. Although in some colonies other sects were persecuted, few were killed. In any case it was nothing like the scale or severity of European persecution. Other colonies had different views. Rhode Island was formed with the ideal of religious tolerence, and other colonies were adopting laws for tolerance by 1650. Eventually all of the colonies adeopted the US Constitution, became states, and moved past that.
As to the "Christian justifications for the genocide against American Indians" I have to ask, what genocide are you referring to? There wasn't one.
As to your claims about "lines of Christian preachers submitted tons of briefs, all saying that their Christian God had deemed that black people were inherently inferior and not worthy of any basic human rights" in the case of Loving vs Virginia, which briefs are you referring to? The only brief I see listed from an organization claiming church affiliation was against Virginia's law.
Briefs of amici curiae, urging reversal, were filed by William M. Lewers and William B. Ball for the National Catholic Conference for Interracial Justice et al.; [388 U.S. 1, 2] by Robert L. Carter and Andrew D. Weinberger for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and by Jack Greenberg, James M. Nabrit III and Michael Meltsner for the N. A. A. C. P. Legal Defense & Educational Fund, Inc.
T. W. Bruton, Attorney General, and Ralph Moody, Deputy Attorney General, filed a brief for the State of North Carolina, as amicus curiae, urging affirmance
So it looks to me that your disparagement of Christians is based on what is essentially one half-truth and two whole lies.
Now that would be bad in and of itself, but you also overlook the many positive contributions made by Christians.
The abolition of slavery - Christian and churches drove the abolisionist movement. Perhaps you could start with this man: William Wilberforce - the story told in this wonderful movie: Amazing Grace, released in 2007 Higher Education - Many of America's first colleges were formed by churches. Health Care - Many hospitals have been founded by churches, or with church backing. The Civil Right movement - Once again many churches were participants in the Civil Rights movement
There are many more that could be added to that.
Yeah, you Christians are really, really superior to other religions....
Moving past the half-truth and falsehoods you wrote certainly seems to make for a better record to reflect upon.
Many European companies did business with Saddam's Iraq just as they do now with Iran, and other unsavory regimes. Some of that business has been lucrative arms or technology business, or to strengthen the miliary or economy. Those are matters of interest to other governments that are being attacked by those countries. People here keep claiming that government corruption is widespread, and their leaders can't be trusted. If that is so, don't you think other countries would like to know what is really going on? Country X says its policy toward country Z is A, but intelligence shows the real policy is B, a very dangerous B. Bribery is an accepted common practice in some countries and cultures. Should it be unknown if it is bribery that is winning international contracts? During the Cold War various German institutions were riddled with agents of the Warsaw Pact, especially East Germany. NATO secrets were always at risk. Would that be a matter of interest?
Those double agents are not working in the interests of their country, they are working in the interests of the corrupt US corporations that control the US government.
You keep spewing this rhetoric, but could you name exactly which corporations you're talking about, and what it is specifically that you think they control? That would be helpful since there are thousands of corporations, and they often hav conflicting interests. Doing any sort of coordination among them would be difficult, and there would be records that someone should have been able to produce by now. That is something you never address, so I'm asking: where is your proof of this massive puppet show that you think exists?
The speed of the growth of the internet is a separate question from general public awareness of it. I am correct in what I wrote that by 1986 the internet was spreading quickly, and no, that isn't just CS departments in colleges. The infamous internet worm was Morris, not Mitnick.
The internet was being used as a tool by people in industry, government, and educational institutions, and not simply by "specialists".
As to BBSs and beyond, ever hear of TYMNET, Compuserve, GEnie, The Source, BIX, Delphi, Micronet? There was a big world beyond your local BBS on an XT clone, some of which also offerered access to the internet in various forms.
Teaching computers to beat humans at bluffing, decoying, and no doubt (now or in time) lying? Is that what we want AI to be capable of? I'm not sure that is a good idea, and the code to do that should never be among the "standard includes". I understand the utility of it in dealing with humans, but still...
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And polygamy? Is that still practiced as well?
Why would a Mormon practice polygamy? Perhaps you are misinformed on this matter as well?
Do Mormons practice polygamy?
President Gordon B. Hinckley, prior president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made the following statement in 1998 about the Church’s position on plural marriage:
“This Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church.... If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.”
Don't most single men want a woman that will have sex with them without a whole lot effort and without having to have something as burdensome as a relationship with them in order to get it?
Not men with good character.
Where are you getting this world view of liberals running around rampant calling conservative women sluts inbetween feminist protests?
Where indeed?
Why It's Not Smart to Call Women Conservatives 'Whores'
When Alan Grayson called a female corporate lobbyist a "K-Street whore" -- and was attacked as crude and sexist at the same time that he was lauded as gutsy and honest -- he played a role in a familiar script: hero of the left (MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher) attacks female villain (Hillary Rodham Clinton, Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin) using sexist language. Progressive feminists soul-search about liberal misogyny. Mainstream media talk about sexism for 5 seconds. Then the media move on, and no one learns a thing. Repeat.
It happened again just two weeks ago, when Olbermann called Malkin a "big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it" during the "Worst Person in the World" segment of Countdown. The creepily fleshy insult followed Olbermann's rendition of Malkin's e-mails....
So there's obvious problem No. 1 with leftist firebrands dipping into sexist imagery and language to bash conservative women: nothing's more fun than highlighting the hypocrisy of your opponents.
The war on conservative women
If I had a dollar for every time libs have called me a "Manila whore" and "Subic Bay bar girl," Iâ(TM)d be able to pay for a ticket to a Hollywood-for-Obama fundraiser. To the HuffPo left, whore is my middle name.
Self-serving opponents argue that such attacks do not represent "respectable," "mainstream" liberal opinion about their conservative female counterparts. But it was feminist godmother Gloria Steinem who called Texas Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison a "female impersonator." It was NOW leader Patricia Ireland who commanded her flock to only vote for "authentic" female political candidates. It was Al Gore consultant Naomi Wolf who accused the late Jeane Kirkpatrick of being "uninflected by the experiences of the female body."
It was Matt Taibbi, now of Rolling Stone magazine, who mocked my early championing of the tea party movement by jibing: "Now when I read her stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of (redacted) in her mouth. It vastly improves her prose."
It was Keith Olbermann, then at MSNBC and now at Al Goreâ(TM)s Current TV, who wrote on Twitter that columnist S.E. Cupp was "a perfect demonstration of the necessity of the work Planned Parenthood does" and who called me a "mashed up bag of meat with lipstick on it." He stands by those remarks. Olbermann has been a special guest at the White House.
Some of us have not forgotten when liberal Wisconsin radio host John "Sly" Sylvester outrageously accused GOP Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch of performing "fellatio on all the talk-show hosts in Milwaukee" and sneered that she had "pulled a train" (a crude phrase for gang sex). (Earlier, he called former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice a "black trophy" and "Aunt Jemima.")
Or when MSNBC misogynist Ed Schultz called talk show host Laura Ingraham a "talk slut" for criticizing Obamaâ(TM)s petty beer summit. Or when Playboy published a list of the top 10 conservative women who deserved to be "hate-f**ked." The article, which was promoted by Anne Schroeder Mullins at Politico.com, included Ingraham, "The View's" Elisabeth Hasselbeck, former Bush spokeswoman Dana Perino, GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann and others. Yours truly topped the list with the following description: a "highly f**kable Filipina" and âoea regular on Fox News, where her tight body and get-off-my-lawn stare just scream, 'Do me!'"
And then thereâ(TM)s the leftâ(TM)s war on Sarah Palin, which would require an entire national forest of trees to publish.
You've got me curious as to how it is that you miss this kind of stuff?
Is anyone else curious how the guy fit his [presumably 3-dimensional] son into a two-dimensional (6'x8') "box"?
There's no mystery, he is obviously a Time Lord. As to the "box," it is more of a galactic trivia question than a mystery. Since it has to fold in an extra dimension a normal TARDIS won't do, it is in fact a RETARDIS.
We seem to be saddled with you freely inventing nonsense contrary to history.
The Quakers
By 1680, 10,000 Quakers had been imprisoned in England, and 243 had died of torture and mistreatment in the King's jails. This reign of terror impelled Friends to seek refuge in New Jersey in the 1670s, where they soon became well entrenched. In 1681, when Quaker leader William Penn (1644-1718) parlayed a debt owed by Charles II to his father into a charter for the province of Pennsylvania, many more Quakers were prepared to grasp the opportunity to live in a land where they might worship freely. By 1685 as many as 8,000 Quakers had come to Pennsylvania. Although the Quakers may have resembled the Puritans in some religious beliefs and practices, they differed with them over the necessity of compelling religious uniformity in society.
Since members of the LDS faith freely practice it, build new temples, and live in all parts of the country you seem to have that wrong as well.
I'm pretty sure the Chinese would agree with me. If you trace the stack: Shinto had nothing to do with 9/11, it did have something to do with events in the 1940s. If you have a different understanding of events I would be interested in the details.
You seem to be suffering from delusions. You should get help.
Not really.
The simple fact is that they came to America to practice their faith. Your post is nonsense.
Hi Gary....,
Interesting theory, but it leaves some ground uncovered:
2014 was an off year election and turnout for them is pretty much always lower.
There were many democrats that were more than a little disenchanted with the Obama admin.
Obamacare was already starting to give people sticker shock, and it will get worse.
With the Republicans back in control of the House they could engage in meaninful oversight, especially on things that were "uninteresting " to the Dems. The IRS scandal is one of those. (I consider that one far more dangerous to the Republic than the NSA stuff.)
2014 was far enough along that Obama began to own his administrations record - no more Bush!!
Hard to say how 2016 will turn out. I can't believe the Democratic party will really run Hillary. New scandals emerge daily - Clinton Foundations funding, fudged tax records, foreign doners, Uranium for Russia, more to come .....
Have a nice evening
Thanks, you too.
That Gatorade is great stuff.
Cheers
You seem to be drunk-blogging. Can I ask what your beverage of choice is?
Thanks kind of funny since the Russian army stil uses the goose step, and the US military never has. Interesting symbolism.
Kind of fits in with Russia invading Ukraine to steal Crimea (and was willing to use nuclear weapons to do it). Now Russia is sending troops into Ukraine's border regions to try to steal that away. Russia just openly threatened Denmark with nuclear weapons. Russia is also threatening Moldova, and the Baltic nations. Finland is concerned. Poland considers itself under threat. Russia has been sending bombers and naval vessels, and submarines to probe Sweden, the UK, and US.
And certainly Snowden is a hero in Russia for making millions of Top Secret documents on US intelligence systems available to Russia.
Wouldn't it be a pity if someday the goose stepping is outside your window? Maybe that will be sauce for the goose as well.
You'll have to be more specific than that if you want to arrive at a useful understanding. I'm pretty sure that Shinto has nothing to do with it, unlike events in the 1940s. It makes a difference.
You might want to spend some time considering the implications of the difference between domestic violence and deliberate terrorist attacks intended to produce mass casualties.
Actually, we did. Like most Americans, sadly, you know nothing of history beyond, say, 1980 or some such. If you did know some history, you would know ...
Like many people on Slashdot you seem to have a defective knowledge of history and the church.
If one were to look into the history they would find that you either grossly exagerate on these matters, or are simply wrong. Many of the early colonies were formed by religous sects coming from Europe. Once in America they adopted the European customs of institutionalizing the church with the government. Although in some colonies other sects were persecuted, few were killed. In any case it was nothing like the scale or severity of European persecution. Other colonies had different views. Rhode Island was formed with the ideal of religious tolerence, and other colonies were adopting laws for tolerance by 1650. Eventually all of the colonies adeopted the US Constitution, became states, and moved past that.
As to the "Christian justifications for the genocide against American Indians" I have to ask, what genocide are you referring to? There wasn't one.
Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?
As to your claims about "lines of Christian preachers submitted tons of briefs, all saying that their Christian God had deemed that black people were inherently inferior and not worthy of any basic human rights" in the case of Loving vs Virginia, which briefs are you referring to? The only brief I see listed from an organization claiming church affiliation was against Virginia's law.
LOVING v. VIRGINIA, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)
Briefs of amici curiae, urging reversal, were filed by William M. Lewers and William B. Ball for the National Catholic Conference for Interracial Justice et al.; [388 U.S. 1, 2] by Robert L. Carter and Andrew D. Weinberger for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and by Jack Greenberg, James M. Nabrit III and Michael Meltsner for the N. A. A. C. P. Legal Defense & Educational Fund, Inc.
T. W. Bruton, Attorney General, and Ralph Moody, Deputy Attorney General, filed a brief for the State of North Carolina, as amicus curiae, urging affirmance
So it looks to me that your disparagement of Christians is based on what is essentially one half-truth and two whole lies.
Now that would be bad in and of itself, but you also overlook the many positive contributions made by Christians.
The abolition of slavery - Christian and churches drove the abolisionist movement. Perhaps you could start with this man:
William Wilberforce - the story told in this wonderful movie: Amazing Grace, released in 2007
Higher Education - Many of America's first colleges were formed by churches.
Health Care - Many hospitals have been founded by churches, or with church backing.
The Civil Right movement - Once again many churches were participants in the Civil Rights movement
There are many more that could be added to that.
Yeah, you Christians are really, really superior to other religions....
Moving past the half-truth and falsehoods you wrote certainly seems to make for a better record to reflect upon.
Very droll, but it doesn't really apply.
Hosts connected to the internet after split of MILNET from ARPANET.
1984 1,000
1987 10,000
1988 60,000
Many European companies did business with Saddam's Iraq just as they do now with Iran, and other unsavory regimes.
Some of that business has been lucrative arms or technology business, or to strengthen the miliary or economy. Those are matters of interest to other governments that are being attacked by those countries.
People here keep claiming that government corruption is widespread, and their leaders can't be trusted. If that is so, don't you think other countries would like to know what is really going on? Country X says its policy toward country Z is A, but intelligence shows the real policy is B, a very dangerous B.
Bribery is an accepted common practice in some countries and cultures. Should it be unknown if it is bribery that is winning international contracts?
During the Cold War various German institutions were riddled with agents of the Warsaw Pact, especially East Germany. NATO secrets were always at risk. Would that be a matter of interest?
Jesus, Jon Oliver was right. Hint: Snowden had (and has) nothing to do with Wikileaks.
Not true. You're ignoring the help Assange and Wikileaks gave Snowden.
Those double agents are not working in the interests of their country, they are working in the interests of the corrupt US corporations that control the US government.
You keep spewing this rhetoric, but could you name exactly which corporations you're talking about, and what it is specifically that you think they control? That would be helpful since there are thousands of corporations, and they often hav conflicting interests. Doing any sort of coordination among them would be difficult, and there would be records that someone should have been able to produce by now. That is something you never address, so I'm asking: where is your proof of this massive puppet show that you think exists?
The speed of the growth of the internet is a separate question from general public awareness of it. I am correct in what I wrote that by 1986 the internet was spreading quickly, and no, that isn't just CS departments in colleges. The infamous internet worm was Morris, not Mitnick.
The internet was being used as a tool by people in industry, government, and educational institutions, and not simply by "specialists".
As to BBSs and beyond, ever hear of TYMNET, Compuserve, GEnie, The Source, BIX, Delphi, Micronet? There was a big world beyond your local BBS on an XT clone, some of which also offerered access to the internet in various forms.
The concern isn't about making good decisions, but about the behavior and use of the system's capabilities and emergent properties.
Teaching computers to beat humans at bluffing, decoying, and no doubt (now or in time) lying? Is that what we want AI to be capable of? I'm not sure that is a good idea, and the code to do that should never be among the "standard includes". I understand the utility of it in dealing with humans, but still ...
Won't someone think of the child...er vulgarity?
The Pacific theater for WW2 is an interesting study. I suggest you read up on it.
Thanks for the suggestion, but been there, done that.