The internet existed in 1983, and was spreading quickly in 1986. Computer crime has existed since at least the 1960s. How could you imagine that hostile foreign governments and other bad actors didn't obain Top Secret US intelligence information via Snowden since it was published in newspapers while the US is engaged in armed conflict and confronting various threats to NATO and other allies?
Being genuinely "anti-war" during a period of international strife isn't necessarily a wise position. Had the North capitulated to the demands of the South, would the US still be a nation with slavery? Where would the world be today if FDR had been anti-war and shrugged off the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor? Much of the British population was so opposed to war that it delayed Britains rearmament prior to WW2, which almost brought it to ruin. Had the Nazis met resistance in remilitarizing the Rhineland it might very well have prevented much grief later. More than one foreign leader has made the mistake of believing the US response would be weak if the US was attacked, including the Japanese and Bin Laden. Being weak in a world of predators such as them invites attack. It is generally a good thing to avoid war if possible, but not every war is avoidable.
serious Republican contender? I don't think any of them could be considered as serious.
You don't? That's funny.... having served as a state governor is generally considered a strong qualification for running for president, and a number of the Republicans either in or considering entering the race have served as such.
Do you think nobody is a serious candidate? Or is it just the Republican side you think is "lacking"? Or is it your views that are unserious?
If the "quote" actually occurred there should be a source for it, and none is noted. On the other hand it appears to be a popular quote on various fringe web sites that are likely more open to fabrications, especially if they tend to demonstrate some sort of conspiracy involving Germany, Jews, and Churchill.
It seems highly likely that "quote" is spurious given the strange wording, the false contents, and the lack of any specific attribution. If you doubt it yourself it makes no sense to post it.
That's funny, you seem to have completely overlooked the possibility that you got the fake "quotes" from dodgy sources, but jump right into some sort of conspiracy involving Jews. Do you have any ideas about why that might be?
The Taliban never had any intention of handing over Bin Laden. Al Qaida was integrated into the Taliban government. The Taliban had previously shown they wouldn't negotiate in good faith when the US tried to extradite Bin Landen following his indictment in the US after the Africa embassy bombings and Cole attack.
9/11 was an act of war consistent with Bin Laden's declaration of war against America in the 1990s. The Taliban though they would just ride out the storm and ignored the ultimatum. It was a bad choice.
Do you reall think that the Taliban would have handed him over? Just curious.
There are many restrictions on gun ownership in the US, so that is nonsense.
Gangs, thugs, rapists and thieves break into the homes of the old and infirm, not the other way around. There are laws governing carrying firearms off one's property, including in cars.
I will freely admit that I did not examine your links, as I have no way to evaluate their accuracy.
So you just stopped by to chat? That's nice of you. Did you have anything in particular you wanted to chat about?
I have to tell you that your declaration raises so many interesting questions. Are you usually stymied by information on the internet? How is it that you inform yourself?
Possibly the historynewsnetwork site was trustworty, OTOH, I would not be willing to give much weight to the posting of a columnist unless I knew a great deal about him.
I guess you have to keep an eye on George Mason University. No telling what they'll try to pull.
As to Michael Medved, he isn't exactly an obcure figure.
It all depends on how you define "gens". It originally meant...
It's a pity you didn't look through the articles at the links. It included this gem which would have saved you a post:
Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide? by Guenter Lewy Guenter Lewy, who for many years taught political science at the University of Massachusetts, has been a contributor to Commentary since 1964. His books include"The Catholic Church & Nazi Germany, Religion & Revolution, America in Vietnam," and "The Cause that Failed: Communism in American Political Life."
The Genocide Convention was approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations on December 9, 1948 and came into force on January 12, 1951; after a long delay, it was ratified by the United States in 1986. Since genocide is now a technical term in international criminal law, the definition established by the convention has assumed prima-facie authority, and it is with this definition that we should begin in assessing the applicability of the concept of genocide to the events we have been considering.
According to Article II of the convention, the crime of genocide consists of a series of acts" committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such" (emphases added)....
That seems to be pretty specific and testable information. But if you have "no way" to do so...
As a Jew I find this extremely tragic, as we've been building our future on some sense that we need to escape and defend ourselves rather than make peace with those around us.
The problem that you are overlooking is that some of the people around you don't want peace, they want dead Jews. There are many kinds of peace, including the peace of the graveyard. It is an emormous mistake to settle for peace on those terms.
I very much doubt that Goebbels would be happy with the state of Judiasm today, especially since there are so many Jews. As district leader of Berlin he shipped Jews to where they were being exterminated. I also doubt that he would be happy since the Jewish state has managed to defend itself so many times against Arab/Muslim threats to destroy Israel and slaughter the Jews.
As the propaganda minister, yes he would of been in control of spreading hatred for Jews, but it is hard to condemn that during wartime when spreading hatred and dehumanizing your enemies is standard practice. And it might not qualify as heinous enough to actually count as a crime against humanity.
Lets take a look at that. There is a disparity you are not acknowledging.
Soviet Union: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in massive quantities Poland: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in meaningful quantities France: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in significant quantities United Kingdom: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in significant quantities USA: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in significant quantities Jews: Peaceful ethnic minority in Germany and other parts of Europe that often made important contributions to society.
Germany treatment of the prisoners of: Russia: severe mistreatment, many died Poland: severe mistreatment, many died France: Relatively humane treatment United Kingdom: Relatively humane treatment USA: Relatively humane treatment Jews: Germany used modern bureaucratic methods and tools of industry in an attempt to exterminate all Jews in German occupied territory.
On what reasonable ground could Jews be targeted for even worse treatment than the Russians? They were productive members of German society, not an invading foreign nation. They were targeted for death based purely on ethnic/religious hatred.
It is easy to condemn Germany, the Nazis, and Goebels for the propaganda in service of genocide against the Jews, and the genocide itself, not to mention the waging of wars of aggression by Germany.
If that gruel is too thin for you, fear not. Goebbels had a more direct hand in the Holocaust as well.
Now, more than elsewhere - the population of Berlin suffered more Joseph Goebbels, the infamous Minister of Propaganda. In the German capital, he was also an ambitious Gauleiter (District leader). The virulent antisemite wanted Berlin to be 'Judenfrei' (Nazi-German for 'Free from jews') - and he even bothered Hitler with this. On August 19th 1941, Hitler promised the fanatic Gauleiter to 'transport' the jews out of 'his' city when the possibility was there. Only one month later - Goebbels confirmed that this day came closer. In an diary entry of September 24th, he wrote that Hitler stated Berlin would be the very first city to be 'Judenfrei' indeed. The deportations were in sight. Another month later, at October 24th, Goebbels wrote
"Gradually, we start with the evacuation of the Berlin jews to the East. A couple of thousands are already on their way. In first instance, they go to Litzmannstadt (Nazi-German for: Lodz). This causes commotion in the affected circles. The jews ask for support in anonymous letters to foreign correspondents. (. ..) It is annoying that this topic is getting attention in the world’s media, but we have to deal with it. The main thing is that the Reichshauptstadt (Berlin) is made Judenfrei. I will not rest before this goal is totally realised."
. . . Already in this early stage, deportations were connected with the Holocaust. By November 1941 till January 1942, 4000 jews were sent to the ghetto of Riga - where Nazi authorities knew that 'Einsatzgruppen' ('Special Forces') executed these jews.
Nazi Germany pursued the destruction of the Jewish people till the end. They spent enormous amounts of scarce resources (trains, manpower, economic losses) to pursue their evil end. They damaged thei
GCHQ has no jurisdiction in Ireland. Different country, not part of the UK and all that.
You aren't saying that GCHQ conducts no signals intelligence operations on servers or signals in Ireland, are you? I hear they've been known to operate in other countries. And fanacy that, the UK and Ireland share a land border.
No secret intelligence protocols between the UK and Ireland?
>> For the dude doing it...what's the penalty again for punching out a TSA idiot? Gitmo?
Seriously folks - you may have a lovely country, but this sh!t keeps my tourist dollar in my bank and unspent.
If you actually believe that then you may not be smart enought to enter the country*. The Guantanamo Bay detention facility has only been used for holding individuals that were either members or thought to be members of al Qaida or its associates. I'm pretty sure that "punching out" a TSA employee isn't going to qualify for that.
*You do realize that there really isn't a qualification like that, right? Just making sure.
The next step in Swedish in Swedish criminal procedure is questioning by the Prosecutor, then comes the filing of charges. There are other countries in Europe with similar systems.
If they'll forcibly ground the Presidential plane from a sizable country, do you really think they wouldn't stoop to trumping up some rape charges and put a little pressure on Sweden too?
The plane of the President of Bolivia was not forcibly grounded. If you want to claim that, which country used fighter jets to force it down? It was denied transit of airspace. Do you deny that nations control their airspace?
The sexual assault allegation against Assange came from women that everyone acknowledges were his sex partners, not from the US embassy. Rape is a serious crime in Sweden, why do you think Swedish prosecutors wouldn't investigate the allegations?
How do you think the US could influence the course of Swedish justice? Do you have any proof, or just a conspiracy theory with no actual evidence?
You seem to be freely inventing allegations to tarnish the US instead of facing the facts against Assange.
Assange owes an apology for the President of Bolivia for Assange SWATTing him. Assange owes answers to a Swedish court over sex assault charges. Assange owes an apology to the UK for his criminal flight from justice, resulting in much waste of resources. Assange owes an apology to his supporters for repeated misconduct and abuse..
The UK court that approved extradition found that the offenses he was being extradited for constituted sexual assault, making he eligible for extradition.
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The internet existed in 1983, and was spreading quickly in 1986. Computer crime has existed since at least the 1960s. How could you imagine that hostile foreign governments and other bad actors didn't obain Top Secret US intelligence information via Snowden since it was published in newspapers while the US is engaged in armed conflict and confronting various threats to NATO and other allies?
Being genuinely "anti-war" during a period of international strife isn't necessarily a wise position. Had the North capitulated to the demands of the South, would the US still be a nation with slavery? Where would the world be today if FDR had been anti-war and shrugged off the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor? Much of the British population was so opposed to war that it delayed Britains rearmament prior to WW2, which almost brought it to ruin. Had the Nazis met resistance in remilitarizing the Rhineland it might very well have prevented much grief later. More than one foreign leader has made the mistake of believing the US response would be weak if the US was attacked, including the Japanese and Bin Laden. Being weak in a world of predators such as them invites attack. It is generally a good thing to avoid war if possible, but not every war is avoidable.
serious Republican contender? I don't think any of them could be considered as serious.
You don't? That's funny .... having served as a state governor is generally considered a strong qualification for running for president, and a number of the Republicans either in or considering entering the race have served as such.
Do you think nobody is a serious candidate? Or is it just the Republican side you think is "lacking"? Or is it your views that are unserious?
You omitted punishing the offender for his or her crime. Surely that can be a consideration?
Does the victim have no interest in justice for the wrong done to them?
If the "quote" actually occurred there should be a source for it, and none is noted. On the other hand it appears to be a popular quote on various fringe web sites that are likely more open to fabrications, especially if they tend to demonstrate some sort of conspiracy involving Germany, Jews, and Churchill.
It seems highly likely that "quote" is spurious given the strange wording, the false contents, and the lack of any specific attribution. If you doubt it yourself it makes no sense to post it.
Why do you think Churchill was there?
That's a load of crap, front to back.
That's funny, you seem to have completely overlooked the possibility that you got the fake "quotes" from dodgy sources, but jump right into some sort of conspiracy involving Jews. Do you have any ideas about why that might be?
Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech is a quite famous speech. Tampering with it wouldn't be hard to find out. I think you're grasping at straws.
You don't really need that extra twist of lemon.
Here is the text of the speach that Winston Churchill gave at Fultun. The phrases you show as being attrributed to Churchill don't appear there, nor do they appear to be Churchill's words, nor do they fit with history. That doesn't seem to be a genuine quote.
The second attribution also seems highly unlikely.
The Taliban never had any intention of handing over Bin Laden. Al Qaida was integrated into the Taliban government. The Taliban had previously shown they wouldn't negotiate in good faith when the US tried to extradite Bin Landen following his indictment in the US after the Africa embassy bombings and Cole attack.
9/11 was an act of war consistent with Bin Laden's declaration of war against America in the 1990s. The Taliban though they would just ride out the storm and ignored the ultimatum. It was a bad choice.
Do you reall think that the Taliban would have handed him over? Just curious.
There are many restrictions on gun ownership in the US, so that is nonsense.
Gangs, thugs, rapists and thieves break into the homes of the old and infirm, not the other way around. There are laws governing carrying firearms off one's property, including in cars.
This is just a small sample of defensive firearms use.
I will freely admit that I did not examine your links, as I have no way to evaluate their accuracy.
So you just stopped by to chat? That's nice of you. Did you have anything in particular you wanted to chat about?
I have to tell you that your declaration raises so many interesting questions. Are you usually stymied by information on the internet? How is it that you inform yourself?
Possibly the historynewsnetwork site was trustworty, OTOH, I would not be willing to give much weight to the posting of a columnist unless I knew a great deal about him.
I guess you have to keep an eye on George Mason University. No telling what they'll try to pull.
As to Michael Medved, he isn't exactly an obcure figure.
It all depends on how you define "gens". It originally meant ...
It's a pity you didn't look through the articles at the links. It included this gem which would have saved you a post:
Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide? by Guenter Lewy
Guenter Lewy, who for many years taught political science at the University of Massachusetts, has been a contributor to Commentary since 1964. His books include"The Catholic Church & Nazi Germany, Religion & Revolution, America in Vietnam," and "The Cause that Failed: Communism in American Political Life."
The Genocide Convention was approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations on December 9, 1948 and came into force on January 12, 1951; after a long delay, it was ratified by the United States in 1986. Since genocide is now a technical term in international criminal law, the definition established by the convention has assumed prima-facie authority, and it is with this definition that we should begin in assessing the applicability of the concept of genocide to the events we have been considering.
According to Article II of the convention, the crime of genocide consists of a series of acts" committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such" (emphases added)....
That seems to be pretty specific and testable information. But if you have "no way" to do so ...
As a Jew I find this extremely tragic, as we've been building our future on some sense that we need to escape and defend ourselves rather than make peace with those around us.
The problem that you are overlooking is that some of the people around you don't want peace, they want dead Jews. There are many kinds of peace, including the peace of the graveyard. It is an emormous mistake to settle for peace on those terms.
I very much doubt that Goebbels would be happy with the state of Judiasm today, especially since there are so many Jews. As district leader of Berlin he shipped Jews to where they were being exterminated. I also doubt that he would be happy since the Jewish state has managed to defend itself so many times against Arab/Muslim threats to destroy Israel and slaughter the Jews.
How do you propose to do that? And why are you advocating discounting of scientific evidence?
No, anti-Semitic fools as you seem to be are a big part of the problem. But you are in "good" company.
The European Left and Its Trouble With Jews
As the propaganda minister, yes he would of been in control of spreading hatred for Jews, but it is hard to condemn that during wartime when spreading hatred and dehumanizing your enemies is standard practice. And it might not qualify as heinous enough to actually count as a crime against humanity.
Lets take a look at that. There is a disparity you are not acknowledging.
Soviet Union: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in massive quantities
Poland: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in meaningful quantities
France: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in significant quantities
United Kingdom: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in significant quantities
USA: Country with government at war with Germany, had army, navy, air force in significant quantities
Jews: Peaceful ethnic minority in Germany and other parts of Europe that often made important contributions to society.
Germany treatment of the prisoners of:
Russia: severe mistreatment, many died
Poland: severe mistreatment, many died
France: Relatively humane treatment
United Kingdom: Relatively humane treatment
USA: Relatively humane treatment
Jews: Germany used modern bureaucratic methods and tools of industry in an attempt to exterminate all Jews in German occupied territory.
On what reasonable ground could Jews be targeted for even worse treatment than the Russians? They were productive members of German society, not an invading foreign nation. They were targeted for death based purely on ethnic/religious hatred.
It is easy to condemn Germany, the Nazis, and Goebels for the propaganda in service of genocide against the Jews, and the genocide itself, not to mention the waging of wars of aggression by Germany.
If that gruel is too thin for you, fear not. Goebbels had a more direct hand in the Holocaust as well.
Making Berlin 'Judenfrei'. The decimation of Berlin's jewish population by railway deportations.
Now, more than elsewhere - the population of Berlin suffered more Joseph Goebbels, the infamous Minister of Propaganda. In the German capital, he was also an ambitious Gauleiter (District leader). The virulent antisemite wanted Berlin to be 'Judenfrei' (Nazi-German for 'Free from jews') - and he even bothered Hitler with this. On August 19th 1941, Hitler promised the fanatic Gauleiter to 'transport' the jews out of 'his' city when the possibility was there. Only one month later - Goebbels confirmed that this day came closer. In an diary entry of September 24th, he wrote that Hitler stated Berlin would be the very first city to be 'Judenfrei' indeed. The deportations were in sight. Another month later, at October 24th, Goebbels wrote
"Gradually, we start with the evacuation of the Berlin jews to the East. A couple of thousands are already on their way. In first instance, they go to Litzmannstadt (Nazi-German for: Lodz). This causes commotion in the affected circles. The jews ask for support in anonymous letters to foreign correspondents. (. . .) It is annoying that this topic is getting attention in the world’s media, but we have to deal with it. The main thing is that the Reichshauptstadt (Berlin) is made Judenfrei. I will not rest before this goal is totally realised."
. . . Already in this early stage, deportations were connected with the Holocaust. By November 1941 till January 1942, 4000 jews were sent to the ghetto of Riga - where Nazi authorities knew that 'Einsatzgruppen' ('Special Forces') executed these jews.
Nazi Germany pursued the destruction of the Jewish people till the end. They spent enormous amounts of scarce resources (trains, manpower, economic losses) to pursue their evil end. They damaged thei
Anybody else surprised by this?
Truth, justice... is simply not the American way.
Truth and justice have been part of the American way, but not all Americans have made it their way. Have you?
The problem grows worse when society says there is no such thing as truth. and justice becomes a mockery.
Can anyone identify a land of universal truth and justice, in which no fault can be found, outside of myth or prophecy?
GCHQ has no jurisdiction in Ireland. Different country, not part of the UK and all that.
You aren't saying that GCHQ conducts no signals intelligence operations on servers or signals in Ireland, are you? I hear they've been known to operate in other countries. And fanacy that, the UK and Ireland share a land border.
No secret intelligence protocols between the UK and Ireland?
>> For the dude doing it...what's the penalty again for punching out a TSA idiot?
Gitmo?
Seriously folks - you may have a lovely country, but this sh!t keeps my tourist dollar in my bank and unspent.
If you actually believe that then you may not be smart enought to enter the country*. The Guantanamo Bay detention facility has only been used for holding individuals that were either members or thought to be members of al Qaida or its associates. I'm pretty sure that "punching out" a TSA employee isn't going to qualify for that.
*You do realize that there really isn't a qualification like that, right? Just making sure.
Where do you go to school? I had that hammered into me in grade school.
Hammered is probably the right word since it was PC indoctrination, not education.
To the point: Reject the Lie of White "Genocide" Against Native Americans
Detailed: Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?
The next step in Swedish in Swedish criminal procedure is questioning by the Prosecutor, then comes the filing of charges. There are other countries in Europe with similar systems.
If they'll forcibly ground the Presidential plane from a sizable country, do you really think they wouldn't stoop to trumping up some rape charges and put a little pressure on Sweden too?
The plane of the President of Bolivia was not forcibly grounded. If you want to claim that, which country used fighter jets to force it down? It was denied transit of airspace. Do you deny that nations control their airspace?
The sexual assault allegation against Assange came from women that everyone acknowledges were his sex partners, not from the US embassy. Rape is a serious crime in Sweden, why do you think Swedish prosecutors wouldn't investigate the allegations?
How do you think the US could influence the course of Swedish justice? Do you have any proof, or just a conspiracy theory with no actual evidence?
You seem to be freely inventing allegations to tarnish the US instead of facing the facts against Assange.
Assange owes an apology for the President of Bolivia for Assange SWATTing him.
Assange owes answers to a Swedish court over sex assault charges.
Assange owes an apology to the UK for his criminal flight from justice, resulting in much waste of resources.
Assange owes an apology to his supporters for repeated misconduct and abuse..
The UK court that approved extradition found that the offenses he was being extradited for constituted sexual assault, making he eligible for extradition.