As a serious question, what's wrong with the existing options? What can you do in Office that I cannot do in Open Office, KOffice (or whatever they're calling that group now), Office365 (webapp), WordPerfect, or even Pages on OS X? I ask because I don't know of anything - every thing I need to do works just fine no matter where I do it (Okay, WP and Office have some compatibility issues, but even then I only send people PDFs).
Odd, because I support hundreds of users (all under the age of 60, with the exception of some of the C-levels) who use desktops every day. For that matter, we are moving people back to desktops over laptops.
Shit happens, especially if you're in a hurry and not paying full attention. And depending on the car, "Park" might not be an option. I've also seen the parking paw break before, or even on an automatic have the car left in neutral and tried to stop it by pushing back on it (thankfully my father was able to get in to hit the brake before it got ugly on that one - I was between my 88 Mustang and my cousin's 86 Chevy C/K truck with no space to run
SMF is what systemd wishes it could be. If the GNU guys weren't so hellbent on it's GPL or nothing they could have even used SMF if they believe that they needed a more intelligent init system.
My father (a lifelong ASE Certified Automechanic), when asked what he thought about Fords, once told someone, "I love them" and the person began to grin, then he followed with "They break often, they're easy to work on, and the parts are easy to get." Which is rather humorous to me anyway, since I've had rather good luck with my Fords (89 Mustang had 405K miles on it when we parted, 88 Mustang currently has about 275K, and the 99 Mustang has about 260K).
2 - Considering that Linux can't even apply sane names to interfaces anymore (How am I supposed to predict that the first interface will be named ens192873?), and that it isn't consitant either (some distros still use ethX), I think Linux failed that task as well. But tell me, doesn't ifconfig work the same across versions? Or is it something else that you are referring to?
What's wrong with Slackware? They usually have a yearly release cycle (little behind right now, but it's in RC stages), regular security patches, easy to install software, releases ship with updated kernel, KDE and XFCE for desktop users, plus the collection in slackbuilds as an extra software repo - all the power is in your hands. The only thing that I'm not sure about running on Slackware is Google Chrome - I didn't try when I was running Slackware, but I did have Chromium installed.
Also, snaps don't seem to violate the UNIX philosophy. In fact, they seem to bring us closer to it (simplicity and portability) then the fracturing of the distributions has allowed us to be over the years since static linking isn't popular.
I thought the idea was for snaps was that it would be statically linked packages so that they wouldn't depend on the system libraries (so basically we're moving back to/opt) and could theoretically have multiple versions of the same thing installed?
No one said they wouldn't buy it if it was for sale. But who even owns the software at this point to sell it? Copyright in this case is probably harming sales (and you can bet even if you figured out who to pay the people that worked on it (the developers, management, executives, etc) will receive none of the money from a sale.
With that said, there is a reason I have a large collection of old software and licenses (Windows 3.1 - 98SE. Windows NT4/2000/XP/7, Mac System 7,Mac OS 8/9, DOS, games from Kings Quest to StarCraft, Office 2000-2010). Some things only the backup copy is still functional, but I don't like playing in grey areas.
Ubuntu being a long supported Linux is one of the reasons I use it (RH being the other option). Rolling release is a fad that causes too many headaches.
Version 16.1 (Xenial Xerus) kernel 4.8. Non-linux people look at the wide quagmire of distros and are baffled, many interested people who would like a desktop alternative get turned off by the impenetrable complexity and holy wars of the community (systemd, whatever the hell that is, I don't give a crap, vi, emacs, etc). Then you get to Ubuntu as the one targeting non-linux folks to join up, and are confronted with this BS. Xenial Xerus? Really? You picked a revision number, why add a really stupid moniker to it?
You're right. Users could never deal with names like Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Build 14361.rs1_release "Redstone", Apple Mac OS X 10.11 "El Capitan" (Darwin Kernel Version 15.5.0, xnu-3248.50.21~8/RELEASE_X86_64), or Solaris 10 (SunOS 5.10). Oh wait, they don't really care. If they are installing Linux they go to Ubuntu's, Fedora's, or whatever distribution's website, and click download and install it. Or, if they aren't tech savvy, they don't change the OS period. Vi vs EMACS? User doesn't care. Average people don't aren't using them (though Vi is included in Mac OS X).
Linux a pool of contradiction. "We have a GUI as good as Windows/OSX!" But then GUI users are mocked, and frankly the GUI is only half heartedly implemented, sort of a facade. Real work is done at the command line, and important settings are only available by knowing where esoteric files in a variety of scripting languages live that then must be modified using an editor the proudly user surly.
Define "real work." Are you talking word processing, desktop publishing, CAD, accounting, etc; or are you talking systems/network administration? Because you need to use the command line to do sys admin work in any OS. And that's not something that average people are doing, nor is it something that people who have no clue what they are doing should be messing around with anyway. But let's face it - the average home user can use any operating system as long as they have full access to a modern web browser (Chrome, Firefox, etc) and to a small handful of websites (FaceBook, YouTube, GMail). Then the next tier of users needs to have a WYSISYG Word Processor, a spread sheet program, and an email client, and the ability to print. Neither one of those categories matters what OS you are in. Then we have the gamers, that are going to use whatever OS the game publishers target. But none of those categories actually deals with anything that touches a command line in any OS.
Not dated. Most of these attempts (OEL 5 and OpenBSD) were done summer/fall 2015, and the Ubuntu try was Jan 2016. There has been no new release of HyperV in that time (using Microsoft Windows Server 2012 R2, Ubuntu 14.04 was the most recent LTS release at the time, and OEL 5 is the current OS release for the Oracle Database Appliance (next version Oracle tells me will move to OEL 6).
Huh...? Linux is a first class citizen. And FreeBSD has the drivers built-in for Hyper-V.
Not been my experience. You have to be very careful about which versions of which distros you install, what generation of VM you use for a particular version, etc. Give you an example - Networking did not work at all for Oracle Linux 5 with Oracle's kernel (and it was a situation where I had to match another system that was setup (matching the Linux configuration found on an ODA). I've also had some interesting networking issues with Ubuntu 14.04 where the NIC randomly receiving traffic (but can still send).
I'll also admit to not having tried FreeBSD (recently). Last BSD I tried was OpenBSD and there were too many missing drivers (once again, networking)
If you have the licenses you can run Windows VMs (including virtualized copies of appropriately licensed physical machine), and you can run some Linux VM (Ubuntu, Red Hat, Cent, and SuSE). Other operating systems (non-blessed Linux versions, OS X, BSD Unix, Haiku, Solaris, IllumnOS, etc) generally do not work at all.
Systemd is easily my biggest complaint as well. I have seen so many weird errors pop up since systemd became the default, so many systems suddenly refuse to boot (over what used to be non-fatal errors), or have issues when they are running because of strange defaults (and despite what the pro-systemd crowd says, if it worked before and systemd was the only thing that changed then it is systemd's fault. It breaks the UNIX way of "be as compatible as possible" and now systemd on Debian is going to break nohup and similar programs? SMH.) Red Hat is going to lose the area that made Linux popular (servers) chasing the desktops they will never have.
My experience (this decade) has been that Linux will work on the majority of hardware on the market. True, you might have to install video drivers (and I had one laptop that needed me to install the ethernet driver, but it worked following that)
There is certainly that too - From what I've seen from people that upgraded most of them elected to do it (only know two instances of it upgrading itself without the user saying yes - one of them being a user who I do not believe had admin access to that computer to tell it to upgrade). Regardless, the devices being upgraded don't have Windows 10 certification for the most part.
Ah, Focus-follows-mouse. My favorite thing about classic UNIX desktops (CDE, 4DWM, FVWM). I don't think you can do that in modern GNOME, much less in OS X. For you next item - Out-of-Box OS X ships with a Dock (Warf in GNUStep terms), which is not what you are looking for in this case. You would need to find a third party panel, which would likely include it's own task picker.
And hey - I think I agree with you that the main reason to buy Apple hardware is the OS. I've always been an Apple fan (but I learned how to type/compute on Apple (II and Macintosh) computers in school). OS X doesn't get the crown of my favorite UNIX (if I could get focus follows mouse then it might, until then it's IRIX) desktop, but it does a pretty good job for most people. I for the most part work off of my MBP these days (I replaced my 2006 MBP in Feb. this year with a 2012 (the non-rMBP) model) largely due to my disgust with the way the Linux world is going. My workflow wasn't really impaired (I usually Alt-Tab or OpenApple-Tab to find switch programs, rather then use the task picker) - iTerm replaces Konsole just fine for me, and every other Linux program I use is on OS X (actually, I could probably get KDE to build on OS X if I really wanted to....), plus I get to run the Blizzard games as well.
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Process Hacker? How does it compare to Process Explorer?
As a serious question, what's wrong with the existing options? What can you do in Office that I cannot do in Open Office, KOffice (or whatever they're calling that group now), Office365 (webapp), WordPerfect, or even Pages on OS X? I ask because I don't know of anything - every thing I need to do works just fine no matter where I do it (Okay, WP and Office have some compatibility issues, but even then I only send people PDFs).
Odd, because I support hundreds of users (all under the age of 60, with the exception of some of the C-levels) who use desktops every day. For that matter, we are moving people back to desktops over laptops.
I think Slackware is doing just as well as it would like to.
Heh...I learned to type on an Apple II/GS
Shit happens, especially if you're in a hurry and not paying full attention. And depending on the car, "Park" might not be an option. I've also seen the parking paw break before, or even on an automatic have the car left in neutral and tried to stop it by pushing back on it (thankfully my father was able to get in to hit the brake before it got ugly on that one - I was between my 88 Mustang and my cousin's 86 Chevy C/K truck with no space to run
SMF is what systemd wishes it could be. If the GNU guys weren't so hellbent on it's GPL or nothing they could have even used SMF if they believe that they needed a more intelligent init system.
My father (a lifelong ASE Certified Automechanic), when asked what he thought about Fords, once told someone, "I love them" and the person began to grin, then he followed with "They break often, they're easy to work on, and the parts are easy to get." Which is rather humorous to me anyway, since I've had rather good luck with my Fords (89 Mustang had 405K miles on it when we parted, 88 Mustang currently has about 275K, and the 99 Mustang has about 260K).
2 - Considering that Linux can't even apply sane names to interfaces anymore (How am I supposed to predict that the first interface will be named ens192873?), and that it isn't consitant either (some distros still use ethX), I think Linux failed that task as well. But tell me, doesn't ifconfig work the same across versions? Or is it something else that you are referring to?
What's wrong with Slackware? They usually have a yearly release cycle (little behind right now, but it's in RC stages), regular security patches, easy to install software, releases ship with updated kernel, KDE and XFCE for desktop users, plus the collection in slackbuilds as an extra software repo - all the power is in your hands. The only thing that I'm not sure about running on Slackware is Google Chrome - I didn't try when I was running Slackware, but I did have Chromium installed.
Also, snaps don't seem to violate the UNIX philosophy. In fact, they seem to bring us closer to it (simplicity and portability) then the fracturing of the distributions has allowed us to be over the years since static linking isn't popular.
I thought the idea was for snaps was that it would be statically linked packages so that they wouldn't depend on the system libraries (so basically we're moving back to /opt) and could theoretically have multiple versions of the same thing installed?
I'm not sure the Brits would have a clue what sort of trouble they'd be getting themselves into. It isn't worth it.
No one said they wouldn't buy it if it was for sale. But who even owns the software at this point to sell it? Copyright in this case is probably harming sales (and you can bet even if you figured out who to pay the people that worked on it (the developers, management, executives, etc) will receive none of the money from a sale.
With that said, there is a reason I have a large collection of old software and licenses (Windows 3.1 - 98SE. Windows NT4/2000/XP/7, Mac System 7,Mac OS 8/9, DOS, games from Kings Quest to StarCraft, Office 2000-2010). Some things only the backup copy is still functional, but I don't like playing in grey areas.
Ubuntu being a long supported Linux is one of the reasons I use it (RH being the other option). Rolling release is a fad that causes too many headaches.
Version 16.1 (Xenial Xerus) kernel 4.8. Non-linux people look at the wide quagmire of distros and are baffled, many interested people who would like a desktop alternative get turned off by the impenetrable complexity and holy wars of the community (systemd, whatever the hell that is, I don't give a crap, vi, emacs, etc). Then you get to Ubuntu as the one targeting non-linux folks to join up, and are confronted with this BS. Xenial Xerus? Really? You picked a revision number, why add a really stupid moniker to it?
You're right. Users could never deal with names like Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Build 14361.rs1_release "Redstone", Apple Mac OS X 10.11 "El Capitan" (Darwin Kernel Version 15.5.0, xnu-3248.50.21~8/RELEASE_X86_64), or Solaris 10 (SunOS 5.10). Oh wait, they don't really care. If they are installing Linux they go to Ubuntu's, Fedora's, or whatever distribution's website, and click download and install it. Or, if they aren't tech savvy, they don't change the OS period. Vi vs EMACS? User doesn't care. Average people don't aren't using them (though Vi is included in Mac OS X).
Linux a pool of contradiction. "We have a GUI as good as Windows/OSX!" But then GUI users are mocked, and frankly the GUI is only half heartedly implemented, sort of a facade. Real work is done at the command line, and important settings are only available by knowing where esoteric files in a variety of scripting languages live that then must be modified using an editor the proudly user surly.
Define "real work." Are you talking word processing, desktop publishing, CAD, accounting, etc; or are you talking systems/network administration? Because you need to use the command line to do sys admin work in any OS. And that's not something that average people are doing, nor is it something that people who have no clue what they are doing should be messing around with anyway. But let's face it - the average home user can use any operating system as long as they have full access to a modern web browser (Chrome, Firefox, etc) and to a small handful of websites (FaceBook, YouTube, GMail). Then the next tier of users needs to have a WYSISYG Word Processor, a spread sheet program, and an email client, and the ability to print. Neither one of those categories matters what OS you are in. Then we have the gamers, that are going to use whatever OS the game publishers target. But none of those categories actually deals with anything that touches a command line in any OS.
Not dated. Most of these attempts (OEL 5 and OpenBSD) were done summer/fall 2015, and the Ubuntu try was Jan 2016. There has been no new release of HyperV in that time (using Microsoft Windows Server 2012 R2, Ubuntu 14.04 was the most recent LTS release at the time, and OEL 5 is the current OS release for the Oracle Database Appliance (next version Oracle tells me will move to OEL 6).
Huh...? Linux is a first class citizen. And FreeBSD has the drivers built-in for Hyper-V.
Not been my experience. You have to be very careful about which versions of which distros you install, what generation of VM you use for a particular version, etc. Give you an example - Networking did not work at all for Oracle Linux 5 with Oracle's kernel (and it was a situation where I had to match another system that was setup (matching the Linux configuration found on an ODA). I've also had some interesting networking issues with Ubuntu 14.04 where the NIC randomly receiving traffic (but can still send).
I'll also admit to not having tried FreeBSD (recently). Last BSD I tried was OpenBSD and there were too many missing drivers (once again, networking)
If you have the licenses you can run Windows VMs (including virtualized copies of appropriately licensed physical machine), and you can run some Linux VM (Ubuntu, Red Hat, Cent, and SuSE). Other operating systems (non-blessed Linux versions, OS X, BSD Unix, Haiku, Solaris, IllumnOS, etc) generally do not work at all.
Also works on VMWare ESX[i] if the host is a Mac.
Systemd is easily my biggest complaint as well. I have seen so many weird errors pop up since systemd became the default, so many systems suddenly refuse to boot (over what used to be non-fatal errors), or have issues when they are running because of strange defaults (and despite what the pro-systemd crowd says, if it worked before and systemd was the only thing that changed then it is systemd's fault. It breaks the UNIX way of "be as compatible as possible" and now systemd on Debian is going to break nohup and similar programs? SMH.) Red Hat is going to lose the area that made Linux popular (servers) chasing the desktops they will never have.
My experience (this decade) has been that Linux will work on the majority of hardware on the market. True, you might have to install video drivers (and I had one laptop that needed me to install the ethernet driver, but it worked following that)
Red Hat would be more then happy to sell you support for Linux on your desktops, like they already do for the servers.
There is certainly that too - From what I've seen from people that upgraded most of them elected to do it (only know two instances of it upgrading itself without the user saying yes - one of them being a user who I do not believe had admin access to that computer to tell it to upgrade). Regardless, the devices being upgraded don't have Windows 10 certification for the most part.
Ah, Focus-follows-mouse. My favorite thing about classic UNIX desktops (CDE, 4DWM, FVWM). I don't think you can do that in modern GNOME, much less in OS X. For you next item - Out-of-Box OS X ships with a Dock (Warf in GNUStep terms), which is not what you are looking for in this case. You would need to find a third party panel, which would likely include it's own task picker.
And hey - I think I agree with you that the main reason to buy Apple hardware is the OS. I've always been an Apple fan (but I learned how to type/compute on Apple (II and Macintosh) computers in school). OS X doesn't get the crown of my favorite UNIX (if I could get focus follows mouse then it might, until then it's IRIX) desktop, but it does a pretty good job for most people. I for the most part work off of my MBP these days (I replaced my 2006 MBP in Feb. this year with a 2012 (the non-rMBP) model) largely due to my disgust with the way the Linux world is going. My workflow wasn't really impaired (I usually Alt-Tab or OpenApple-Tab to find switch programs, rather then use the task picker) - iTerm replaces Konsole just fine for me, and every other Linux program I use is on OS X (actually, I could probably get KDE to build on OS X if I really wanted to....), plus I get to run the Blizzard games as well.
I may not be able to speak for NetBSD, but the PPC G4 is (was) perfectly supported in Linux (I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 on my PowerMac G4 Quicksilver).