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Apple Announces Its New Desktop OS macOS Sierra Featuring Siri, Apple Pay (9to5mac.com)

After playing with the names of cats and a few California landmarks, Apple at WWDC 2016 announced that its desktop operating system will now be called macOS -- and its first version update is macOS Sierra. It comes with a range of new features including Siri, the digital voice assistant. The move comes roughly a year and a half after Microsoft brought its Cortana virtual assistant to desktop platform Windows 10. Sierra also supports Apple Pay payment service via Safari web browser. Ars Technica reports about some other features of macOS Sierra: Universal Clipboard answers a longstanding complaint of Mac and iOS users -- copying and pasting now works automatically between an iOS device and a desktop Mac device. iCloud now plays an expanded sync role, too, letting you move files and folders from Mac to Mac or from Mac to iOS. Another new feature called Optimized Storage can sweep through old documents and files and push them to iCloud, clearing up local disk space for other uses. It also can automatically dump your trash, clear your web history, and do some other behind the scenes sweeps. Tabs are coming to more and more applications. Federighi said that Apple wants tabs on all multi-window applications, and says that tabs can be flipped on without developer modification. Update: 06/13 18:55 GMT by M : macOS Sierra won't support many Mac models from 2007, 2008, and 2009. Find more information here.

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  1. Sierra with Siri by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> Sierra with Siri

    Somewhere, Apple's marketing and tech support personnel are currently forming an unholy alliance to overthrow management.

    1. Re:Sierra with Siri by Junta · · Score: 1

      Having some familiarity with a similarly stupid naming scheme at another company, marketing very likely *loves* it, but tech support certainly is pissed.

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    2. Re:Sierra with Siri by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      They should have stuck with "names of cats" - http://readwrite.com/2013/06/11/apple-abandons-cat-names-for-os-x/

    3. Re:Sierra with Siri by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      Enlighten me

    4. Re:Sierra with Siri by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well at least we still have internal versions of 10.12.
      So we have some way to determine which version is newer and older over a period of Time.

      Vs. say Windows NT 3.1, Windows NT 4, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10.

      That 2000 - Vista can get confusing if you didn't happen to pay much attention during that time. Or for some people getting into the market now were only a kid when they had those versions.

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    5. Re:Sierra with Siri by whargoul · · Score: 1

      I like pie

    6. Re:Sierra with Siri by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I always wanted to choke MS's marketing group with their version names. There are, in my opinion, two acceptable methods of naming a product that continues to get new version:

      1) Version numbers. You can have just one number or number.number whatever you like. You decide how to increment them. What matters is that you are consistent, and that the number is easy to find.

      2) Version year. When you release a product it is named via whatever year it is released. Doesn't matter how much changed, it gets the release year in its name.

      Either one works well for quickly mentally comparing how out of date something is, as well as being able to impress that on users. But it needs to stay consistent or it gets all confusing. You can't go numbers to years and back or things get all fucked up.

      The XP and Vista crap is just totally stupid. Fuck off with that. How do I compare "Vista" to "XP"? They are both meaningless terms. It's as bad as Eclipse. No guys, I do NOT know the order of the Jovian moons, please just publish the version number and/or year clearly.

    7. Re:Sierra with Siri by irving47 · · Score: 1

      Good point. It reminds me of my mid-90's tech support days... (in the south) "I'm havin' trouble with my email... ENDORA doesn't wanna start to check.."

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    8. Re:Sierra with Siri by rsborg · · Score: 2

      I always wanted to choke MS's marketing group with their version names. There are, in my opinion, two acceptable methods of naming a product that continues to get new version:

      1) Version numbers. You can have just one number or number.number whatever you like. You decide how to increment them. What matters is that you are consistent, and that the number is easy to find.

      2) Version year. When you release a product it is named via whatever year it is released. Doesn't matter how much changed, it gets the release year in its name.

      Either one works well for quickly mentally comparing how out of date something is, as well as being able to impress that on users. But it needs to stay consistent or it gets all confusing. You can't go numbers to years and back or things get all fucked up.

      The XP and Vista crap is just totally stupid. Fuck off with that. How do I compare "Vista" to "XP"? They are both meaningless terms. It's as bad as Eclipse. No guys, I do NOT know the order of the Jovian moons, please just publish the version number and/or year clearly.

      I was with you until you went off on searching XP vs. Vista - what's your gripe on searching including "Microsoft Windows" as your context?

      Numbers are meaningless - e.g. FF 47 - why the F should I care? That's why project names / named versions are meaningful. They are easier to remember and more meaningful. I think they should be combined (e.g. 10.5 Leopard is a great google search term).

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    9. Re:Sierra with Siri by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

      I don't mean with a google search, I mean for users. What I want is the ability to have an easy comparison system for how out of date something is. If the current version is 10 and you are on version 5, or if the current version is 2015 and you are on version 2002, I have an easy way to demonstrate how behind it is and thus help them understand why an upgrade is a good idea.

      For someone who's doing it as a job, as I am, it doesn't really matter. I can remember the progression, and the rough time of release, without a lot of issue. The problem is lay users and understanding how things have progressed and trying to sell them on that fact.

    10. Re:Sierra with Siri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can remember the progression, and the rough time of release, without a lot of issue. The problem is lay users and understanding how things have progressed and trying to sell them on that fact.

      Non-problem. They're already contacting you. You know the progression, and rough time of release. It's trivially easy, then, for you to say "Oh you're on Windows XP? That's a 7 year old release. Maybe you should upgrade?"

    11. Re:Sierra with Siri by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      Exactly.
      On one side of the camp we have Mac OS X (and later just OS X) 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7, 10.8, 10.9, 10.10 & 10.11 with minor updates coming out at 10.x.x
      On the other side of the camp we have Windows 95, Me, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10 with some of them receiving service packs, some receiving rollups and some getting service releases.

    12. Re:Sierra with Siri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sierra.. kinda like vista... even the boss stage backdrop in tfa looks like a windows wallpaper.. IT WILL FAIL. bring on OS11

    13. Re:Sierra with Siri by rsborg · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear.

      I guess it shows you who the real product development company is. Microsoft's DNA is built out of Gates buying and reselling a CP/M clone to IBM, forcing IBM to sign a contract that ceded the OS to Microsoft and leveraging Dr. DOS and Lotus 123 out of the market through underhanded tactics. Not to mention they essentially copied the Windows/Mouse interface from Apple (who got rights to that from Xerox PARC by license).

      Has Apple ruthlessly screwed over competitors partners or customers like that?

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    14. Re: Sierra with Siri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume winver still works. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions

      Not sure why a random assortment of years, numbers, and letters should be harder than a random assortment of numbers, cats, mountains, and the spanish word for mountain range.

      Which is better, wheezy or sid? Oh, wheezy used to be sid you say? And jessie used to be sid too but now it's stable? I found info on this package from perky pangolin, but that's a different distro that doesn't exist. How much older is core 5 than 17, and which one is older than 7? don't get me started on kernel versioning.

    15. Re:Sierra with Siri by jblues · · Score: 1

      "Siri, why is my wife angry?"

      "It looks like she's angry about some of the items in your clipboard that I've been sharing.

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    16. Re:Sierra with Siri by deniable · · Score: 1

      You mean Windows NT 3.1, (you forgot 3.5,3.5.1), 4, 5.0 (2000), 5.1 (XP), 6.0 (Vista), 6.1 (Windows 7), 8, 8.1, and 10. The internal version numbers aren't clean but they're a lot easier for comparison.

    17. Re:Sierra with Siri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >> Sierra with Siri

      "Ahem... Hey Siri, LOOK ROOM. GET LADDER. TALK ALIEN."

      "I'm sorry, I'm afraid you died. No points out of a possible 537."

    18. Re:Sierra with Siri by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      This doesn't worry me as much as running two concurrent version, maintaining both as current, but offering different feature sets.

      e.g. Adobe Lightroom 6.5 or Adobe Lightroom CC. They came out at the same time, yet both have different core functionality. And when I say core I mean tools to edit photos, not some cloud integration crap. Guess which one has more features, and if your guess was the one that costs more money, you'd be wrong.

    19. Re:Sierra with Siri by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      They should have stuck with "names of cats"

      macOS Sylvester - with Siri? And a Tweety client?

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    20. Re: Sierra with Siri by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I assume winver still works. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

      You are right, Windows 1.0x, 2.03, 2.1x, 3.00, 3.10, 3.11, 3.2, NT 3.5x, 4.00, NT 4.0, 4.10. NT 5.0, 4.90, NT 5.x, NT 6.x (with each x actually a completely new Windows) and finally NT 10 - that's so much better than 10.x.y .

      I especially like how sometimes there are 2 digits behind the period, and sometimes just one.

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    21. Re:Sierra with Siri by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That depends on how you define "costs more money."

      Even $2/mo. for 10 years is more than $199.

    22. Re: Sierra with Siri by MTBaldwin · · Score: 1

      I thought it was Eudora..

    23. Re:Sierra with Siri by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Implying that in the photography world you can find a current model of camera that will have it's RAW files read in a 10 year old version of Lightroom.

    24. Re:Sierra with Siri by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Just download the free Adobe DNG converter

    25. Re:Sierra with Siri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Not to mention they essentially copied the Windows/Mouse interface from Apple (who got rights to that from Xerox PARC by license).

      Engelbart demonstrated the mouse/windows concept in a more primitive form, but it wasn't Xerox's invention.

      Also, Apple didn't license anything from Xerox. Xerox sued Apple over the Lisa's GUI.

      Steve Jobs was always about "we can steal from you, but you can't steal from us."

  2. and telemetry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    welcome to the machine

    1. Re:and telemetry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft just learned from the best. But they went further with forced updates. OS X just nags every day (with no way to turn off, of course).

      But I do wish Apple would update their programming skills and re-invent asynchronous networking so that iTunes and other programs don't hang when they can't connect. If networking is disabled, the programs skip this step on startup. But if it's enabled and they can't reach they just hang...

      MS and Apple are really ganging up to force Linux on the Desktop (and Android on phone) on me when I refresh my stuff!

    2. Re: and telemetry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The herd is shopping. Don't disturb.

  3. iCloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is becoming the default place to store all of your things on all Apple devices...

    I'm sure nothing bad will ever come of that[again].

    1. Re:iCloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BoxCryptor?

  4. MacOS to macOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly, Apple is beginning the long process of de-emphasizing the Macintosh.

    1. Re:MacOS to macOS by Galaga88 · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is bringing "mac" back into the name. It's been called just plain "OS X" for a couple years now.

    2. Re: MacOS to macOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't HFS+ case insensitive by default anyway?

    3. Re: MacOS to macOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't HFS+ case insensitive by default anyway?

      Yes, but contrary to Apple's actions today, HFS+ is case-preserving.

  5. desktop / mobile convergence? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

    Is that a step towards the convergence of OS X and iOS?
    How long before macOS be stuck with a walled garden in which we can't install non-approved "apps"?

    1. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long before macOS be stuck with a walled garden in which we can't install non-approved "apps"?

      Be not long.

    2. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      How long before macOS be stuck with a walled garden in which we can't install non-approved "apps"?

      As soon as an Apple A? is as fast as a Intel i5, there will be a KVM mode for the iOS devices, and then you'll have your desktop whenever you want it.

      802.11ad is on its way, and Apple is already moving the GPU to the display in preparation.

      It's possible you could see a preview of this at WWDC 2017 at the rate things are going, with an iOS Desk Set available that Christmas for $999.

      Replace the Mac Mini with a high-end iPod, make an 'Airtop' which has no main logic board but just a battery and a slot for the iDevice (in addition to 802.11ad for people wed to their Otterboxen), and then see if anybody still cares at all about the Mac Pro (it won't last for too long once this starts).

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    3. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      How long before macOS be stuck with a walled garden in which we can't install non-approved "apps"?

      Never, because the use cases are different.

      And anyhow, Apple couldn't get Microsoft and Adobe on board to support it.

      In fact, Apple's been loosening the restrictions - and in a weirdly RMS move, has made iOS open-source friendly. As in you can load in any app you can compile onto your iOS devices without Apple getting in the way.* Yes, you can "sideload" apps onto iOS, using Xcode.

      So yes, lots of previously banned applications are making their way to iOS using this (most were open-source anyhow).

      And yes, Adobe and Microsoft are huge companies who are affected if Apple made macOS a walled garden, so it's unlikely to happen. Also, it'll be trivial to jailbreak macOS - you can always boot the computer into Windows or Linux and edit the OS files manually, so locking down macOS is nigh-impossible.

      * - From source code. Apple frowns on people using this way to load on binaries (which is what happened to f.lux - they gave people binaries only, no source code) Apple wants if you do this, that you ship source code that is built. Yes, people have done this to pirate apps, and it does work. In a weird way Apple is enforcing open-source.

    4. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      The average user can't side-load and this is what counts.

    5. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      The average user doesn't know what side-loading is. If you can figure out side-loading, you can figure out how to compile your own binaries in XCode and side-load them. This theoretical person that understands side-loading and wants to use it but can't work out how to download source and compile it is so rare as to be ignorable.

    6. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Side-loading is much easier than:
      1. buying a Mac2
      2. figuring what Xcode is, installing it
      3. compile
      4. finally side-load

    7. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I have a Chromebook with some ARM processor which feels faster and more responsive than my old (2010) Macbook Air so it's certainly possible.
      However, would Apple shoot themselves in the foot and offer something faster, better, and cheaper?

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    8. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      in android it is trivially easy. Just a checkbox in settings asking if you want to be allowed to install from unauthorized sources (in other words, not google play).

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    9. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds like quite a nightmare for any large deployments, Specifically the network aspect of things and the security.

    10. Re: desktop / mobile convergence? by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      And then as soon as you get some malware from a third party store, the same Android users who brag about dude loading start excoriating you about not using Google Play exclusively.

    11. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Is that a step towards the convergence of OS X and iOS? How long before macOS be stuck with a walled garden in which we can't install non-approved "apps"?

      Well, that has been predicted since before iOS even existed. Still hasn't happened yet. Maybe it's time for you to hold your breath until it does, that'll help.

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    12. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      in android it is trivially easy. Just a checkbox in settings asking if you want to be allowed to install from unauthorized sources (in other words, not google play).

      IOW, the average Android user can't sideload.

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    13. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If the average user side-loads, the average iPhone/iPad is going to be swarming with malware. People who know how to install Xcode and use it on a basic level have a much higher chance of side-loading the right things.

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    14. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Is the Mac swarmed with malware?

    15. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Not currently, but it's still a fairly small target, whereas iOS isn't. Mac OSX does have some advantages over Windows in resisting malware, but nothing that can't be overcome fairly easily.

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    16. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Market share of OS X and iPhone are somewhat similar, 5-15% worldwide.
      Android can side load, although it's turned off by default, and I never heard that malware was coming to Android because of that option. I consider crappy apps full of ads that spy on you to be malware, but both Apple and Google stores are full of malware by that definition, and it has nothing to do with side load.

    17. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Seems to me I've heard of sideloaded Android malware. From what I've seen, Apple is better than Google at policing its store, and the Apple approach to permissions is clearly better.

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    18. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      You've heard of? It doesn't make it a large scale problem. I've seen tons of PCs infected by malware. I've never seen an Android phone infected by side-loaded malware. Not that it doesn't exist, but it's not frequent enough to be a problem.
      I prefer Google's approach to permissions, since you can deny some permissions to an application. Unfortunately, you can't deny internet access otherwise that would block ads.

    19. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      if that is too difficult for a user to do frankly they belong on the short bus, and should have 24/7 supervision

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    20. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      With Android, when I want to install an app, I'm presented with a list of permissions that I can grant or deny. They just kinda sit there on the screen, devoid of context. You or I can understand what they mean in isolation like that, but even we don't know how they're going to be used. A mapping program will need to know where it is now and then, but you don't want it tracking your movements and sending them to the FBI or someone you're trying to avoid socially. On iOS, you are informed when a program wants to use location services, and can make the decision in context. Particularly in the case of a non-expert user, permissions at runtime when it may be obvious what the program is trying to do are better than permissions at install time.

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    21. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      you are informed on Android too, you see the location icon in the notification area

      Having to press "I agree" every time I launch the map application would suck.

    22. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      if that is too difficult for a user to do frankly they belong on the short bus, and should have 24/7 supervision

      Hey, now you are being mean towards Android users.

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    23. Re:desktop / mobile convergence? by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Apple are explicitly willing to cannibalize their own business - because if they don't, somebody else will. I forget if Tim Cook or Steve Jobs said that, but it's the principle that gave us the iPhone at the expense of the iPod.

  6. macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Despite using Linux for a couple of decades, I switched to OS X after I experienced numerous problems with Linux. After spending so many hours fighting to get stuff like PulseAudio, GNOME 3 and systemd working, I finally had enough. Although it was expensive, I bought myself a Mac Mini.

    I didn't expect I'd ever say this, but OS X (or macOS or whatever it's called now) is superb. It is UNIX under the hood, but with a really nice UI. Most importantly, it just works. There's no fighting with it like there was with Linux. While upgrading my Linux system was always a crapshoot, I've never had any problems doing an upgrade on OS X. At this point I don't think I will ever have any reason to use desktop Linux ever again.

    I moved all of my servers over to FreeBSD. Like OS X, it was a breath of fresh air. Everything works so much better. Plus I get ZFS out of the box. Plus most of its code is released under much friendlier and freer licenses than so much Linux code is.

    So I need to ask, with OS X and FreeBSD available to us, what room does that leave for Linux? I know on my computers it means that there's no room for Linux any longer. FreeBSD is excellent for servers. OS X is excellent for workstations. That means that there's no need for Linux any longer.

    1. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2

      FreeBSD is excellent for servers. OS X is excellent for workstations. That means that there's no need for Linux any longer.

      It takes me no time at all to get Ubuntu working on a workstation (I've yet to install it on anything that didn't just work out of the box!), and I don't have to sell my organs and children to afford it.

    2. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      FreeBSD is an excellent choice for server applications. Really, it is.

      Linux can still have a lot to offer for workstations and even laptops. So long as you don't try to wrestle with bleeding edge hardware and bleeding edge drivers, etc.

      Stick to Intel graphics and sound hardware and you shouldn't have any drama. I've used Ubuntu for everything and XFCE for my DE and can't really complain about anything. I have speed, stability, maximum flexibility and scriptability/customization. Something that you can't get in as generous quantities anywhere else.

    3. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My experience is the exact opposite: Mac OS X's tools (especially the tools for their own proprietary technologies) are inadequate and riddled with unholy bugs and corner cases. After spending years on Linux, I couldn't believe that I ever thought Mac OS X was worth much at all.

      NO, THANKS! and NO THANKS!

      Give me Linux's dirty, frightening evolution by variation and selection any day over the BSDs' (and, in particular, Apple's) attempts at intelligent design.

    4. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't expect I'd ever say this, but OS X (or macOS or whatever it's called now) is superb. It is UNIX under the hood, but with a really nice UI. Most importantly, it just works.

      It's what Linux could have been if the development community had gotten their heads out of their asses decades ago instead of going with the whole Gnome/KDE split shit.

    5. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My entire department were switched from Linux boxes to Mac Minis because it was hoped they would be more reliable and less prone to strange bugs. This turned out to be completely untrue, we've had constant issues with the Mac Minis and even the manager who loves anything Apple has had to admit they are awful machines. Left on for more than a couple of weeks they grind to a halt without a restart, the display adaptors randomly stop working but switching them around magically fixes things. The upgrade to El Capitan cause loads of applications to stop working properly (sequel pro, phpstorm, beyond compare, data grip).

    6. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet installing Ubuntu on my Sony laptop took just under an hour including installing all the applications I need and I've not had a single issue with it in the 12 months it's been installed.

    7. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      UFS w/ Soft updates pretty much the right choice for any workstation or small server running FreeBSD. ZFS is amazingly powerful and flexible, but it's usually the wrong choice for most situations.

      BtrsFS for Linux is lighter weight than ZFS and for a workstation or small server, it has the necessary features and superior typical performance. These days people do distributed storage through higher level layers than what ZFS offers. The local file system's durability is almost irrelevant in an age of cloud and cheap NAS.

    8. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      So I need to ask, with OS X and FreeBSD available to us, what room does that leave for Linux?

      Not much. Servers (most web servers are running Linux), embedded devices (many, if not most WiFi routers use Linux), smartphones (Android has 80% market share) and super computers (most of the top 500 is running Linux). And then some desktop users. All other users, and by that I mean all 4 of them, use FreeBSD.

    9. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least those Mac Minis boot. That's more than I can say about my Debian installation after a simple upgrade caused systemd to stop working for some reason.

    10. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Dog-Cow · · Score: 0, Troll

      Perhaps if you spent more time flipping burgers and less time on slashdot, you'd be able to afford some real hardware.

    11. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by chipschap · · Score: 2

      How many times have you, word for word, posted this exact same thing?

    12. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The smoothest install-from-scratch I've ever done was on OS X after swapping out the drive on a laptop. It was simple and fast. I find Ubuntu or Linux Mint are usually pretty good, but I've run into plenty of quirky hardware issues from time-to-time that needed some tinkering. That's not surprising given the diversity of hardware out there versus the limited number of options Apple has to deal with.

      Anyway, I can't say the price is affordable, but at least some good things come for the price.

    13. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if you spent more time flipping burgers and less time on slashdot, you'd be able to afford some real hardware.

      In order words, I work less than you and have equivalent hardware because I didn't throw out half my budget to get an Apple logo.

    14. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      I didn't expect I'd ever say this, but OS X (or macOS or whatever it's called now) is superb. It is UNIX under the hood, but with a really nice UI. Most importantly, it just works.

      It's what Linux could have been if the development community had gotten their heads out of their asses decades ago instead of going with the whole Gnome/KDE split shit.

      I don't really mind this to be honest. All the hipster UX designers that write extensions in JavaScript and Python have willingly segregated themselves to GNOME3. The people who want to get on with their lives use MATE or KDE now.

    15. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Apple's flavor of Unix is really quite impoverished once you start trying to do anything beyond the most basic things. Sorry, it's true. I like my Mac laptop for stuff that requires a GUI, but Mac OS X cannot hold a candle to Linux when it comes to command line stuff.

    16. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      I set up QubesOS on my home computer two weeks ago now, and the only complaint I have is that I had to read the instructions in order to get my usb wifi dongle working, then fudge my own script to get the browser to start automatically when I start the web-browsing VM/"Qube". Everything else I was doing in windows (email, web browsing, rss feeds) Just Worked. I even installed Steam and can play 2d games in a window with the keyboard and mouse.

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    17. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware of Homebrew and MacPorts, right?

    18. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      The install of OS X is quite simple, but the operating system that it ends up installing leaves much to be desired.

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    19. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by x_t0ken_407 · · Score: 1

      I've found this to be the case EXACTLY. Great for everyday stuff sans CLI. My workplace bought me a MacBook Pro recently, and while it's a phenomenally powered and beautiful machine, it does not hold a candle AT ALL to the power of Linux CLI. Maybe part of that is having grown up on Linux CLI, but the fact remains, in my case of course.

    20. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've found Linux much worse. I spend lots of time installing and configuring Xfce on the new Linux systems I use. Then there is other software I have to install, and usually some other obscure driver or conf problems to fix. I can get a fully usable OS X system set up in a fraction of the time it takes to get a Linux installation to an equivalent state.

    21. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homebrew lets you easily install nearly every utility that you can use on Linux that would also make sense to use on OS X. If it doesn't support some obscure utility, there is always a good chance that you can compile or use it on OS X anyway. You do know about Homebrew, right?

    22. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by mspohr · · Score: 1, Funny

      Here... fixed that for you:
      Despite using OSX for a couple of years, I switched to Unix after I experienced numerous problems with OSX. After spending so many hours fighting to get stuff like Finder, iMovie and web browsers working, I finally had enough. Although it was inexpensive, I bought myself a Chromebook.

      I didn't expect I'd ever say this, but ChromeOS is superb. It is UNIX under the hood, but with a really nice UI. Most importantly, it just works. There's no fighting with it like there was with OSX. While upgrading my OSX system was always a crapshoot, I've never had any problems doing an upgrade on Chromebook. At this point I don't think I will ever have any reason to use desktop OSX ever again.

      I moved all of my servers over to FreeBSD. Like OS X, it was a breath of fresh air. Everything works so much better. Plus I get ZFS out of the box. Plus most of its code is released under much friendlier and freer licenses than so much Linux code is.

      So I need to ask, with ChromeOS and FreeBSD available to us, what room does that leave for OSX? I know on my computers it means that there's no room for OSX any longer. FreeBSD is excellent for servers. ChromeOS is excellent for workstations. That means that there's no need for OSX any longer.

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    23. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name two things that you can not do on the OS-X command line that you can do on linux.

      1)

      2)

    24. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      1) chroot that works in any sane fashion

      2) control the network interfaces in a sane way that is fully functional on all versions of Mac OS X. Doesn't have to be the same for every version, but there should be something sane for every version.

      These are two things that I ran into on the very first complex task I tried to do on the Mac OS X command line (reproduce a chroot based build environment at work).

      When the first thing you try has immediate limitations, it's a good indicator that many or most complex tasks would have limitations.

      Apple has moved very far away from the Unix philosophy of how systems work. Yes, most of the simple unix commands that interact with little more than basic input/output work fine on Mac OS X (aside from some weird character handling in their terminal program, but every version of Unix has its own weird terminal bugs in my experience), but anything more complex than that generally does not work because Apple doesn't actually buy into the Unix philosophy.

    25. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I moved all of my servers over to FreeBSD. Like OS X, it was a breath of fresh air

      Your editing skills, like your sense of humor, need some work.

    26. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee do you think that might have something to do with Apple controlling what hardware is used in their systems? Retard?

      But then you're just trolling anyway.

    27. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    28. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then you have to run Ubuntu.

    29. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why on earth would you want to do ether one of those things on a desktop? Seriously, why would you want to dick around with networking on the command line on a desktop? We've spend years working very hard to move away from stuff like that and now you're bitching about it. Your expectations are not realistic for a desktop operating system, there is a right tool for the job and you're not using it.

    30. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Seeing that Mac OS has been certified UNIX for years, I find it hard to believe that they have "moved away from the UNIX philosophy".

    31. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thinking he probably isn't.

    32. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Oops, missed that one... of course should be: "I moved all of my servers over to FreeBSD. Like ChromeOS, it was a breath of fresh air."

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    33. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My experience is the exact opposite: Mac OS X's tools (especially the tools for their own proprietary technologies) are inadequate and riddled with unholy bugs and corner cases.

      For example?

    34. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by over_optimistic · · Score: 1

      When doing networked folders mac just litters the entire network with shitty files, shittier than .DS_Store. Like WTF, DS_Store is already WTF enough we don't need new file type for a folder over network, and it uploads them to the server polluting for everyone. The way maximize button works is retarded, No ask_pass. I no longer can do password-less ssh properly because of this, I have to ssh using a terminal to enable a session, then I can perform the script that requires it. All around mac is too simple.

    35. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I guess you shouuld have bought a laptop with Linux support instead of some random Windows only PC. I tend to get Lenovo these days, or if I'm being cheap, I'll carefully check the reviews for Linux users trying out the latest cheap Asus or Acer.

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    36. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well with lenovo u better run linux. with insydeh20 and all...

    37. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      It's more complicated than the time or space I have to explain it here. Also, nice "no true scotsman" line of reasoning there.

    38. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait. I had a mac mini. Two OS upgrades later and none of the wireless stuff works. No bluetooth or wireless networking. Numerous forum complaints and no solution. Apple, in typical fashion wants to replace my logic board for a whopping $300. The software is closed up there is no hope.... Except installing Linux where all that stuff works a treat out of the box.

    39. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      It's got the same CLI - bash, also available out of the box: csh, ksh, tcsh, zsh

      Yes, many of the programs you can run from the CLI are the BSD variants, but you can usually get the Gnu versions by downloading and compiling the source - or by using Mac Ports or Homebrew.

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    40. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Reinstall the previous point release of OS X. It's better than things not working.

    41. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well put!
      I love how people online go from "name just one thing..." to "why would you do such a thing!" but they are both indicative of reality distortion fields where your problem isn't their own, therefore you must stop living your reality to fix their skewed sanity.

      Point here is, we advocate for command lines and automation. GUI is not a fixed problem, but he seems to think everything is, betraying a lack of both MacOS GUI experience AND that of Linux desktops. After all, very little GUI stuff can be whipped up sans compiling, or platform specific AppleScript tutorials or forum hunting... further proving that Mac Unix is not always Unix. Then again, Linux distros aren't too far off the mark due to config tools, paths, DEs and now init scripts

    42. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by x_t0ken_407 · · Score: 1

      No doubt, I use both (macports and homebrew) to add goodies and also use zsh. Their terminal just is different than Konsole (and whatever Gnome uses). After years of X11, copy-and-paste is a hassle on OS X, but I've grown accustom too it, no doubt. Still, just not the same.

    43. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by armanox · · Score: 1

      2 - Considering that Linux can't even apply sane names to interfaces anymore (How am I supposed to predict that the first interface will be named ens192873?), and that it isn't consitant either (some distros still use ethX), I think Linux failed that task as well. But tell me, doesn't ifconfig work the same across versions? Or is it something else that you are referring to?

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    44. Re:macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I didn't expect I'd ever say this, but ChromeOS is superb. It is UNIX under the hood, but with a really nice UI.

      Ha! Fooled you. We secretly replaced your Unix with Folger's crystals!

    45. Re: macOS and FreeBSD leave no place for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple was never a big fan of the Unix philosophy as promulgated by McIlroy: "Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface."

      I can't think of a single software product from Apple that doesn't have kitchen-sink features and proprietary binary formats. The closest Apple gets to programs working together is AppleScript/Automator, and I've found them to be overcomplicated yet underpowered when it comes to scripting.

      OpenDoc was a step in the modular direction, but it was kludgey and bloated, so Jobs killed it.

      That said, a lot of Linux types complain about other systems not following the Unix philosophy when they simply differ from Linux's way of doing things. It would be more accurate to say Apple doesn't follow the Linux philosophy.

  7. Siri been there, done that by future+assassin · · Score: 1
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  8. "You Pay!" would be more accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple doesn't pay, you do.

  9. Depressing... by mlts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really don't care for Siri, nor the fact that the computer will have to actively listen in 24/7 to support that. I was hoping for some under the hood improvements, like a new filesystem, better software RAID, iSCSI, a package management/repository system usable by third parties, so signed code and repos would be easy to add, so we wouldn't need ports, brew, or other third party stuff. Maybe even more blue-sky stuff like having root be a role like Solaris as opposed to an actual user, filesystem snapshots (something like btrfs send/zfs send), deduplication (since all Mac laptops are SSD based, might as well have an offline dedup process to help with storage), maybe even build in a ESXi compatibile hypervisor, so virtualization is baked in and usable without third party utilities, which adds to security.

    I wish Apple would actually extend OS X to do more fundamental stuff, not 1-2 gewgaws.

    1. Re: Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think ya meant 1.21 gieggawatts...

    2. Re:Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd just like to know if Finder is still garbage. It's been worst-in-class for almost a decade now. Coverflow for browsing pictures? Holy crap, I hope whoever came up with that doozy was drawn and quartered.

    3. Re:Depressing... by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Apple wants to have a locked down store where they have the all the control and keep the profit. And app dev look out if your game let people edit there own maps then the user maps can trigger you app getting kicked off the store if they don't comply with app store rules.

      And adobe we want 30% of the CC subscription fees or no MAC OS for your.

    4. Re:Depressing... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      In Apple's defense, the Keynotes tend to be more for "the public" than for developers. The last couple times I went to WWDC, I blew off the keynote. I was more interested in the appropriate platform's "State of the Union." I could sleep late and go to the conference hall around noon, eat lunch (before the lines get too long), and look over all the stuff that gets reported.

      So things like RAID, iSCSI, hypervisors, and the like get mentioned elsewhere because most reporters would just sort of glaze over that stuff.

    5. Re:Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, the first thing I want to know about most of the announced stuff is how easy it will be to optionally disable it.

    6. Re:Depressing... by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2

      I know it's silly, but the thing I would most like to see improved in MacOS is the print dialog. It's so hard to get a good printout on Mac OS these days; you have no controls for resizing or repositioning the printed material to ensure that it covers the page properly. There appear to be several different print dialogs that appear depending upon the application; so it's possible that I'm experiencing problems related to a particular application, and yet there is no print dialog that any application has ever produced on my Mac laptop that I would consider to be useable. And I don't understand why the print dialog wouldn't always be the same, as an operating system supplied bit of functionality.

      It just amazes me that Apple, which gave us the original desktop publishing revolution back in the 80's, can have such terrible print support now.

    7. Re:Depressing... by vux984 · · Score: 2

      I really don't care for Siri, nor the fact that the computer will have to actively listen in 24/7 to support that.

      Quick, someone read the new OSX EULA... and see all the fun stuff in there to allow Siri to work in OSX. Will it by default want to upload all your contacts and browsing search terms and the apps you use, and your calendar events, and your current location, etc to apple? I can't imagine it won't want to do that.

      A lot of the crap in the Windows 10 EULA was to give Cortana the data it would need to operate. I assume Apple will have to do the same for Siri now.

      It's going to be interesting to see how people react. Will we have big long /. tirades from long time Mac users ditching OSX and raging about OSX spyware? I doubt it. Instead we'll get gushing reviews about how they asked Siri on their laptop to find something, and then 2 days later when they tried to find that same something on their phone Siri "remembered" what they were looking for (on their desktop) and suggested it!

    8. Re:Depressing... by Zaurus · · Score: 5, Informative

      There IS a new filesystem. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2...

    9. Re:Depressing... by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I'd be happy if they fixed the Finder so it didn't keep forgetting complicated things like column widths.

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    10. Re:Depressing... by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      If you quit watching the keynote before the end, Cook was careful to point out that they’re using on-device intelligence.

      Win-win: They don’t have to build out more servers, and we don’t have to upload our data to the butt.

    11. Re:Depressing... by jb_nizet · · Score: 1

      And if you could, finally, use Cmd-X / Cmd-V to move files.

    12. Re:Depressing... by Strider- · · Score: 1

      I know it's silly, but the thing I would most like to see improved in MacOS is the print dialog.

      All hail Clarus the Docgow! Moof!

      In all seriousness though, that one little icon did wonders to tell you how you were manipulating the page as per the print dialog... much better than what's on there now.

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    13. Re:Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still print? The print dialog has this nifty little feature that allows you to export to PDF documents. Because of that, I use my printer so infrequently that the ink in the cartridges dries up and I have to buy new heads. This of course means I never have a working printer for when I do actually need to print something, so that keeps me from wanting to print things. Problem solved.

    14. Re:Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It exists; it's Command-C / Command-Option-V, as it has been for many years now.

    15. Re:Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much better than what's on there now? What's on there now is a fully rendered thumbnail of the actual print output. It literally shows you exactly what the printout will look like and dynamically updates when you change settings around.

      I can only imagine you people are complaining about apps that implement their own shitty custom print dialogs (*cough* Adobe) rather than the standard macOS one.

    16. Re: Depressing... by LDAPMAN · · Score: 1

      You might want to pay a bit more attention then. There IS a new file system called APFS.

    17. Re: Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't interrupt their whining! It's an Apple story and the waaaambulance is working overtime!

      Can't wait for APFS send / APFS receive, or similar.

    18. Re:Depressing... by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Apparently you don't have kids that like to have black and white printouts that they can color with crayons ...

      And it's certainly not the case that I print frequently; that's why I bought a laser printer, because even if you only print a document per month, you never have problems.

      Anyway, what's the point of stating that someone else's problem isn't a problem for them because it's not a problem for you?

    19. Re:Depressing... by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Yes, if only Apple had announced a new file system.

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    20. Re: Depressing... by Freultwah · · Score: 1

      They actually did also announce the HFS+ replacement called Apple File System that does all those things that you mentioned. Wiki link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik.... I actually came here to read more about it since the details around the web are still scarce, but I should have known better, really.

    21. Re:Depressing... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      It exists; it's Command-C / Command-Option-V, as it has been for many years now.

      But he wants to move files - so when something goes wrong, they get lost.

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    22. Re:Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cmd-C, Cmd-Opt-V

    23. Re:Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much better than what's on there now? What's on there now is a fully rendered thumbnail of the actual print output. It literally shows you exactly what the printout will look like and dynamically updates when you change settings around.

      That sounds to me like a custom print dialog, not the system dialog.

    24. Re:Depressing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? "When something goes wrong"? Like what?

  10. Boring by geek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This WWDC is so boring I've actually stopped watching. Is it just me or is the age of Tim Cook extremely dull? This is like watching paint dry.

    1. Re:Boring by sootman · · Score: 1

      Things were getting boring while Steve was still alive. So much of the low-hanging fruit has been taken care of, now all that's left are things like thinking up more and more ways to integrate messaging and calendaring.

      Things like the shared clipboard are nice, but for the most part, I don't want my phone and desktop integrated any more than I want my bathroom and kitchen integrated, or a bicycle and a moving van. They are different devices that I use for different things.

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    2. Re:Boring by antdude · · Score: 1

      Because he's not Steve Jobs. He was the one who made Apple awesome. Too bad Steve Woz won't do it. He's even better with his work.

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  11. Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the user by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As far as I can tell, the biggest advantage of a desktop OS over a tablet is the ability to have multiple monitors filled with dozens of windows. I can't even begin to imagine the hell that OS X would become if, for example, Terminal.app forced all of its windows into tabs, or even used tabs by default. Imagine doing all your work in a single terminal window running screen and you're roughly in the ballpark. If you've ever done this, you know what a nightmare it is, and not just because of the control-A behavior. The cognitive load induced by hiding the state of other windows is considerable.

    So I just want to make sure that it is as easy to disable the tabs feature systemwide as it is to disable the unnatural scroll direction feature. Not only do I not want tabs to be created automatically, I don't want them to be created at all. I don't want to accidentally release the mouse at the wrong time while dragging a window around and have two of my windows suddenly become a single window with tabs.

    Frankly, I don't like tabs even in a web browser, much less in any app that I use to actually get work done. Tabs mean having to manage a nested hierarchy of content state. Not only do I have to remember which browser window something is in, but also which tab. And to get to it, I have to remember three different keyboard navigation shortcuts—one to choose the app, one to choose the window, and a third one to choose the tab. And the headache gets even worse when you start minimizing windows into the dock, because the dock shows you only the frontmost tab. When you go to find something later, tabs make serious computer use an absolute nightmare.

    So yeah, that feature is fine for your non-power-user who is scared by having to see more than one window at a time, but it absolutely must be possible for users to kill it with fire as soon as they realize that it is hindering their workflow... because it invariably will for some people.

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  12. WTF Apple by wickerprints · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've got a Mac and an iPhone, and although I would say I tend to favor Apple products, I would not call myself a fan.

    I just heard about this "rich links" feature in Messages where links to images or video will display in a preview attached to the link. My immediate reaction was one of revulsion and disbelief. That kind of "feature" is a security nightmare and there better be a way to disable it or else I am NOT going to upgrade. Whoever thought this was a good idea is a fucking idiot. Your phone should NEVER pre-emptively download the content of a hyperlink that someone else sends you. I don't care if it's a trusted site or not.

    1. Re:WTF Apple by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Whoever thought this was a good idea is a fucking idiot.

      This has been a feature of Yahoo Web Mail for years, and I would wager it was conceived at GMail, though I don't use it so I'm only guessing.

      When you paste a URL into Yahoo Mail you get a little mini menu that allows you to make it just a plain hyperlink, or even plaintext. I'm hoping Apple steals that too.

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  13. Burglar break in and plays an recording of YOU by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    A burglar break in and plays an edited recording of YOU:

    Hey Siri,
    Move $500 to account # 123456789...

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    1. Re:Burglar break in and plays an recording of YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's not far-fetched at all...

    2. Re:Burglar break in and plays an recording of YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Voice is my Passport? Verify ME.

    3. Re:Burglar break in and plays an recording of YOU by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      A burglar break in and plays an edited recording of YOU:

      Hey Siri, Move $500 to account # 123456789...

      How exactly did this criminal get a voice recording of me making financial transactions?

    4. Re:Burglar break in and plays an recording of YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Sneakers (1992): My Voice Is My Passport

    5. Re:Burglar break in and plays an recording of YOU by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      please speak more slowly

    6. Re:Burglar break in and plays an recording of YOU by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1
    7. Re:Burglar break in and plays an recording of YOU by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      So a standard phishing attack. There doesn't seem to be anything particularly vulnerable about Siri in this case.

  14. P0WN-0-V1510N would also suit... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    They should just call that "feature" GOATSEvision and be done with it.

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  15. This is awful by svendsen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't even know what to think about these "innovations" and demos. Between the horrible fake scripts, diversity check lists (gay guy, old guy, mom, hipster indian, fat woman into fitness, etc), and many ideas that are "new" (only if you define new as a first on apple and not a first in industry) I really wonder if Apple as finally lost it? Glad they renamed OS X to mac OS cause that will improve security, reliability, etc.

    As I type this on my 2011 macbook pro (OS X 10.11) I wonder what I will do when I need to finally upgrade. Stick with apple just because it is what I know or finally jump to something else. And based off the multiple forums I am reading I am not the only one.

    1. Re:This is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look into the Microsoft Surface Book.

      No, really. The last time I suggested that I got called a Microsoft shill, which is funny because I'm typing this on a 2012 MacBook Pro, but I'm serious. The Microsoft Surface Book is essentially what the iPad Pro wants to be combined with what Apple should have done with the MacBook Pro but didn't.

      It's got a high-resolution, high-DPI display, pen support, a real keyboard, and an actual discrete graphics card. Unlike the iPad, it supports a real desktop OS. And it's cost-competitive with the MacBook Pro while having superior specs.

      Now I'm sure some people will complain about Windows 10 and its telemetry. But unlike Apple, you have nearly complete control of the OS and can almost entirely disable it. Apple is instead locking down what root can do while sending more and more of your data to Apple. One of the key new macOS features is that it's going to automatically dump even more of your documents onto Apple's servers!

      So look into the Microsoft Surface Book. I know I am.

    2. Re:This is awful by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      Look into the Microsoft Surface Book.

      No, really. The last time I suggested that I got called a Microsoft shill, which is funny because I'm typing this on a 2012 MacBook Pro, but I'm serious. The Microsoft Surface Book is essentially what the iPad Pro wants to be combined with what Apple should have done with the MacBook Pro but didn't.

      It's got a high-resolution, high-DPI display, pen support, a real keyboard, and an actual discrete graphics card. Unlike the iPad, it supports a real desktop OS. And it's cost-competitive with the MacBook Pro while having superior specs.

      Now I'm sure some people will complain about Windows 10 and its telemetry. But unlike Apple, you have nearly complete control of the OS and can almost entirely disable it. Apple is instead locking down what root can do while sending more and more of your data to Apple. One of the key new macOS features is that it's going to automatically dump even more of your documents onto Apple's servers!

      So look into the Microsoft Surface Book. I know I am.

      The Surface Book is a terrible machine. Wildly overpriced and plagued with bugs, overheating and firmware issues since day 1.

    3. Re:This is awful by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Is there some problem with showcasing a lot of different people?

      Like, those people all exist. Those people all have lives and buy things. I'm not sure what your issue is with having them in the commercials or videos or whatever. Is it really that galling to have every white dude and occasional woman replaced with another person that actually lives on this planet?

      I can't stress enough that these are actual people and not a made-up fabrication of Apple's imagination. As actual, existing people, they should have every bit as much representation as anyone else. They're all just actors anyway, right?

    4. Re:This is awful by svendsen · · Score: 1

      Those people do exist. The ones at WWDC were acting like fake, soulless versions of those people to get the check boxes. It was cringeworthy to say the least. Maybe pandering? I am not sure if you watched it yet but the general reaction to it was obvious pandering.

      Or maybe it was too scripted and so forced that made it come off awful/soulless/*insert a better phrase if you can think of one*. I mean look at the woman who did the apple music demo. Let us get the audience to rap along. Really?

    5. Re:This is awful by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but having white actors do the job isn't actually any better. May as well check some boxes while they're at it.

      I know this is kind of a weird situation, but diversity matters even when it's this kind of dumb shit.

    6. Re:This is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Surface Book is a terrible machine. Wildly overpriced and plagued with bugs, overheating and firmware issues since day 1.

      And this would prevent it from being an upgrade to the MacBook Pro how, exactly?

      Don't forget that recent Macs have had the exact same problems and Apple doesn't appear to care even slightly about such things.

      And since we're talking about upgrading a MacBook, price clearly isn't a concern. Apple still charges full price for hardware they released in 2013.

    7. Re:This is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alright, lets consider it numerically:

      - What is the proportion of gay men in the US? No, it's not 10%. That's a widely debunked exaggeration from that old Kinsey study. A little Googling indicates somewhere around 2%.

      - How about the 'hipster Indian' that the GP refers to? Presumably that demographic is also well below 10%.

      My point is: If they truly wanted to be representative, they should have more fat people (preferably rednecks, since they seem to be chronically underrepresented on the west coast), more whites and Latinos, and probably also more blacks.

      The OP is right: It's like a diversity Pokemon (gotta catch em all) rather than a good faith effort to represent America.

    8. Re:This is awful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diversity is fine when it is natural and organic based on merit of the individual's talents.

      But when it is forced and fake and designed to place tokens for an artificial "PC" quota it is bullshit and revoltingly transparent.

    9. Re:This is awful by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      That's bullshit, and I hope you came back to read this, because I'd like to point out that you're a bad person and you should feel bad.

      1) There are plenty of people with merit that never get seen because our whole culture is structurally racist. We're immersed in it and don't even know it. You can find videos of little black girls explaining that dark skin is ugly and lighter skin is better. Darker black people face discrimination from lighter dark people--some of it is overt, some of it is subtle.

      2) Sometimes you have to even a playing field because not everyone's opportunities are the same. This is why we put ramps in front of buildings for people in wheelchairs. On merit, they're the same as me, but they have a particular situation that we need to acknowledge, and so fairness dictates that we treat them slightly differently. That we go out of our way to make sure they're accounted for.

      3) For anyone up on stage at an Apple event, they're there based on their position at Apple. For the movies, they're probably actors. There's no reason not to have a bunch of different kinds of people in that sort of promotional video. It doesn't have to do with percentage demographic, literally the thing they're trying to show is that everyone and anyone can use and enjoy their products. It's not just good from a social perspective, it makes a lot of sense from a marketing perspective.

  16. In other words, no useful improvements by Indy1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am sick and tired of modern OS's focusing on adding 8 tons of crap thats not useful to 99% of the users, and not working on better I/O, networking, etc.

    Between Windows 10, and this, it sure seems like each new version just gets more and more bullshit stuffed into it, but no real improvements otherwise.

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    1. Re: In other words, no useful improvements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So switch to BSD or Linux, then bitch incessantly about systemd like everyone else.

    2. Re:In other words, no useful improvements by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2

      They are, those just aren't things that make the keynote. WWDC is a developer's conference, and most of the actual conference is sessions where the devs go to learn things about the OS.

      For instance, Apple has introduced a new scalable file system. That wasn't in the keynote, but it's a technical detail that will definitely benefit everyone. But it's not something that anyone other than us nerds are going to care about.

      Keep an eye on Ars Technica; I bet they'll have a list of interesting non-keynote things that will fit your bill.

    3. Re:In other words, no useful improvements by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      and not working on better I/O, networking, etc.

      Funny you mention Windows 10 and this line in the same breath. If it weren't for the privacy and UI fuckups in Windows recently you'd be getting exactly what you want. Under the hood Windows 10 is faster and far more efficient, better support for networking protocols .... though I guess they did fuck up the computer browser too so that one cancels itself out.

    4. Re:In other words, no useful improvements by jafac · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah - and just give me a single, simple networking indicator on the panel that says: 1) interface is on 2) getting good physical-layer signal 3) has a valid address 4) can ping it's lan gateway 5) can ping and tracert DNS servers across the net. 6) can ping and tracert major entities around the globe (google, amazon aws, microsoft). When the net's down, the first thing I want to know is where the fault is, and can I do anything about it. And it's always; "oh fuck open the terminal, now, do I ipconfig, or ifconfig, I don't remember, what net am I on? what's the gateway, can I ping that? can I see through the firewall? Is DNS fubared? . . . etc.

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  17. iCloud to sync files between Macs? by MeNeXT · · Score: 1

    Not sure why this is a feature. The slowest connection is my internet connection. The biggest issues I have is getting media files to be viewed by other devices and other users without having to run an app for every type of file. You need iTunes to be running to share music. You need photos t/b running to share pictures. The easiest solution is provided by third party software.

    Now in order for sharing to happen between devices it will be synced with iCloud? iCloud would free space on my system? How much would it cost to store 10TB on iCloud to free space on my system? Now instead of using my 1gbps network card I would be using my 10mbps internet connection to share 4K UHD video between my Macs?

    iCloud should be an option to share documents which require remote access. Let me use my network to sync my files. Using iCloud to sync between two Macs sounds pointless when you are on the same network. As media files increase in size we should be looking at ways to manage the data. Media files need to be indexed over several volumes and duplicated with backups. Sharing needs to be simplified so that my sound system can play my music and playlists. That my TV can play the UHD videos from my system. It should be immaterial on what system it resides. Going through iCloud for any of this is just ass backwards.

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    1. Re:iCloud to sync files between Macs? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      well just wait the law suit to hit when some get's a big data overage or even an $20K+ data roaming bill.

  18. Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Macs were extremely popular with nerds a decade ago, when Linux required a lot of hacking and tweaking to get working on a laptop. "Just save the trouble and buy a Mac, it's certified UNIX with a nice graphical shell and the hardware was high quality" is what a lot of people said. Even at Linux developer conferences, everybody had Macs.

    Nowadays, the hardware is not competitive at all for the price point; plus the drives and RAM are soldered in, so tweakers have moved on to other things. OS X is falling way behind in features to Linux (native ZFS, kGraft, gaming and GPU support, etc.), and newer versions are splicing in iOS features rather than adding anything compelling.

    I don't blame them. Focusing on stylishness, ease of use and cross-device features (to encourage vendor lock-in) probably yields higher profits than repairability, high performance and terminal utilities. But that's also a dangerous road to go down.

    1. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      More like Apple doesn't care about desktop nerds anymore.

      The main problem is most of us don't buy new desktop computers every 2 years like we used to. The difference between 6 cores at 1.8 GHz and 8 cores at 2.0 GHz is just ... miniscule.

      We've all learned to just wait until they release something we actually need, instead of some fake PR thing most of us don't care about.

      A similar thing happened on the iPhone front, in that people moved from getting every version to getting every 2nd version.

      There's just no there there.

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    2. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's main "technology" development in the past half decade has been making things "thinner." That's basically it.

      It's becoming increasingly clear their vision died with Jobs. That they've been able to coast for 5 years is a testament to the momentum that asshole built. But as it stands Apple is running on technology fumes. All "style" in the world can't mask feature retardation, i.e. their flagship OS is hopelessly outdated in most of its core technologies; they don't seem to be able to improve on a 15+ yr old filesystem, their graphics stack hasn't yet entered this decade, their online services are worst in class consistently, etc, etc, etc.

    3. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Apple never really cared. At least with the Macintosh brand.
      Going to Unix was a business decision to use a Freely available OS and just tweak it with a New UI. Saving a lot of time programming the details of making an OS from scratch. Multi-Tasking, Memory management, Network Stack.... and many of the core system tools are already programmed and in tack. Allow Apple to mostly focus on building the UI.

      Being that it had the Unix Guts just made it easy for Apple market it to Geeks. Because as the parent stated. Getting Linux to work well on a Laptop back in early 2000's while not impossible, did require a lot of extra legwork. And Windows 98-XP (Early SP) were very buggy and crashed a lot, as well that is when they had the first set of high profile attacks on the OS. Making OS/X the best choice.

      Now 16 years later. They still have all the Unix behind it, however it needs to stay current. And that isn't easy with the Desktop and Laptop Brands going out of fashion. At least Apple didn't go the route that Microsoft went by making a hybrid tablet and desktop system, that handles both poorly.

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    4. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by geek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple's main "technology" development in the past half decade has been making things "thinner." That's basically it.

      It's becoming increasingly clear their vision died with Jobs. That they've been able to coast for 5 years is a testament to the momentum that asshole built. But as it stands Apple is running on technology fumes. All "style" in the world can't mask feature retardation, i.e. their flagship OS is hopelessly outdated in most of its core technologies; they don't seem to be able to improve on a 15+ yr old filesystem, their graphics stack hasn't yet entered this decade, their online services are worst in class consistently, etc, etc, etc.

      I worked at Apple when they were tossing around ZFS as an option. I still for the lif eof me can not figure out why they cling to HFS+. That filesystem has eaten more data than any filesystem I can think of. Shameful how they drag that out.

    5. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      Apple never really cared. At least with the Macintosh brand. Going to Unix was a business decision to use a Freely available OS and just tweak it with a New UI. Saving a lot of time programming the details of making an OS from scratch. Multi-Tasking, Memory management, Network Stack.... and many of the core system tools are already programmed and in tack. Allow Apple to mostly focus on building the UI.

      Being that it had the Unix Guts just made it easy for Apple market it to Geeks. Because as the parent stated. Getting Linux to work well on a Laptop back in early 2000's while not impossible, did require a lot of extra legwork. And Windows 98-XP (Early SP) were very buggy and crashed a lot, as well that is when they had the first set of high profile attacks on the OS. Making OS/X the best choice.

      Now 16 years later. They still have all the Unix behind it, however it needs to stay current. And that isn't easy with the Desktop and Laptop Brands going out of fashion. At least Apple didn't go the route that Microsoft went by making a hybrid tablet and desktop system, that handles both poorly.

      Another point to make is that the Powerbooks were really a lot better than contemporary laptops in just about every way. Except for their displays, today's Macs are inferior in just about every respect to comparable laptops.

    6. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      They've introduced a new filesystem, apparently. It just wasn't mentioned in the keynote.

      It really is crazy how long HFS+ lasted, though.

    7. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      ZFS requires an absurd amount of RAM dedicated to managing storage.

    8. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No, ZFS requires an absurd amount of RAM dedicated to managing storage if it's advanced features are used and if a large read-ahead cache is used to reduce disk access. ZFS itself has no problem running on low RAM systems, just don't expect to be able to turn on all the bells and whistles.

    9. Re:Apple doesn't care about nerds anymore by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I worked at Apple when they were tossing around ZFS as an option. I still for the lif eof me can not figure out why they cling to HFS+. That filesystem has eaten more data than any filesystem I can think of. Shameful how they drag that out.

      Maybe because ZFS is now owned by Oracle? You know, the company that sued Google over their use of Java APIs in Android?

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  19. Too late, Apple by QuietLagoon · · Score: 0

    I've already left the walled garden of Apple for greener pastures. The buggy mess known as Apple TV, gen 4 was the last straw. I left Apple behind before the rest of Apple's products caught the low-contrast text cancer that seems to be spreading. I'm happy to be off the Apple Hardware Upgrade Treadmill.

  20. Forget OS X, this one goes to 11 by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    I guess that they finally got tired of OS 10 (X)? They must be trying to be anti-Microsoft. With Microsoft bringing Windows 10 to both platforms, Apple wants to make sure you don't confuse the iPhone OS with the mac OS. I always loved the name game. I was looking forward to Windows 9.

  21. Then what to develop Mac apps? by tepples · · Score: 2

    How long before macOS be stuck with a walled garden in which we can't install non-approved "apps"?

    A developer needs Xcode for macOS to develop apps for iOS. Since Xcode 7, any Mac owner has been able to build apps from source and install them on an iOS device on the same Apple ID without charge. (This is a change from previous Xcode, which allowed only developers with a valid App Store seller account to do this.) The walled garden that you propose would reverse this trend. Under the walled garden that you propose, what would one use to develop apps for macOS?

    1. Re:Then what to develop Mac apps? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      I'm sure they can come up with restrictions, such as you can develop apps for macOS and run them on your own Mac, but not send it to others without passing through the Mac App Store.

      Microsoft is doing something similar with its driver signing policy. You can develop your own driver and test it on your PC, but other's can't use it by default, making it a hassle to offer a driver without passing through MS.

  22. Why drop systems with 32bit efi? they can run 64 b by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Why drop systems with 32bit efi? they can run 64 bit windows and with boot loader hacks 64 bit mac os.

    Also the older mac pros can take new video cards. apple is just being an dick. Even old core 2 or even 1st gen amd 64 systems can run windows 10 in 64 bit.

  23. FreeBSD vs. Linux driver support by tepples · · Score: 1

    with OS X and FreeBSD available to us, what room does that leave for Linux?

    That depends on whether FreeBSD supports the hardware in a particular computer better than Linux. For example, how well does FreeBSD work on a 2009 Mac mini? Because according to the article, macOS sure doesn't.

  24. mature products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This WWDC is so boring I've actually stopped watching. Is it just me or is the age of Tim Cook extremely dull? This is like watching paint dry.

    Because there's isn't a lot of new stuff to be done nowadays. It's mostly refinement--which is important, but not exciting.

    When was the last great innovation in (petrol) automobiles? Do people get excited about ABS, traction control, auto-closing hatches on SUVs? The basic functionality in most product segments (including smart phones and computers) is generally done.

  25. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

    Good luck with that. In my experience, Apple's user interface hubris knows no bounds, to the extent that when they decide what the user experience should be like, they are very reticent to provide any customization which would allow it to be changed.

    Example: click-to-focus. It's not possible to have focus-follows-pointer in Mac OS X. There is no option that would enable it. Apple decided that everyone should use click-to-focus, and that is the unassailable law in the Mac world.

    Another example: dock color. This is such a dumb preference but I cannot imagine why they don't make it user customizable. I like dark colored dock backgrounds, they look better on the desktop backgrounds I choose. But Apple simply will not make them customizable. They have decided what color your dock should be. You must accept it.

    There are dozens/hundreds of other examples. Given all of this, I highly doubt that they will make the tab/window behavior customizable if they decide that there is One Right Way that All Users Must Use.

  26. AirPrint by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I know it's silly, but the thing I would most like to see improved in MacOS is the print dialog.

    Agreed but what I would like to see is printing supported on iDevices properly. Yeah I know about AirPrint but guess what? Millions of printers don't have that (including all of mine) and Apple can't be bothered to make a simple way make existing printers compatible with AirPrint despite it being technologically trivial to do so. It could be done with a simple network attached print server or an app on any macintosh. I get if they don't want to support Windows but it's absurd that my mac can't provide AirPrint services right out of the box.

    It just amazes me that Apple, which gave us the original desktop publishing revolution back in the 80's, can have such terrible print support now.

    Apple seems to be concerned with making things easy and pretty rather than deeply functional. If your needs don't extend beyond what Apple provides their devices work great. But $diety help you if you need to do something not approved by Saint Jobs or one of his disciples.

    1. Re:AirPrint by singularity · · Score: 1

      Agreed but what I would like to see is printing supported on iDevices properly. Yeah I know about AirPrint but guess what? Millions of printers don't have that (including all of mine) and Apple can't be bothered to make a simple way make existing printers compatible with AirPrint despite it being technologically trivial to do so. It could be done with a simple network attached print server or an app on any macintosh. I get if they don't want to support Windows but it's absurd that my mac can't provide AirPrint services right out of the box.

      Yes, if only Apple had been making something like that for the last decade. What a wonderful world we would be living in...

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    2. Re:AirPrint by Chrontius · · Score: 2

      The Airprint Express didn't support AirPrint translation to conventional printers last time I checked. However, StarTech and Lantronix both offer print servers that adapt existing printers to AirPrint and/or Google Cloud Print.

    3. Re: AirPrint by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      How did you happen to buy so many printers that aren't AirPrint compatible? I have four printers dating back to 2011 - an Epson, a Canon, an HP, and a brother printer that all support AirPrint. I would have to go out of my way to find a wireless printer that doesn't support AirPrint.

    4. Re: AirPrint by omnichad · · Score: 1

      For one, a printer doesn't have to be wireless to support Airprint. It just has to be networked. And if you buy a non-consumer printer (business line) it's almost certain not to have it.

  27. Ya that's not going to happen by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple is moving desktop Macs in the "consumer electronics toy" direction. They have been for some time now. Their focus has been on gewgaws, not fundamentals for a good bit. This is not the company you want to stick with for desktop computing if that's what you care about. They are the company for people who have the attitude of a computer being a disposable device they don't care much about: You get the one you like the looks of, don't worry a whole lot about the technical stuff, and use it until it breaks or you decide you like the looks of a new one better.

    If low level stuff and long-term support is what interests you, then you want to look at Linux or Windows. Yes really, Windows, Microsoft makes fundamental improvements to their OS quite often, and they are usually good. Either way while all OSes have fluff you don't care about and will keep getting it, Windows and the vast majority of Linux distros also spend plenty of time on the under-the-hood part.

    1. Re:Ya that's not going to happen by epine · · Score: 1

      Microsoft makes fundamental improvements to their OS quite often

      Matched by equal and opposite dis-improvements to the EULA, which becomes ever more intrusive, as well as much obnoxious behaviour you have to guard against with the vigilance of Sleepless in Sparta. So far I haven't figured out how to get just the good bits. Daring forecast: it ain't never gonna happen.

      My wife's iMac is early 2008 and appears not be supported. Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz, 4 GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128MB of GDDR3 memory. It even has an external SSD on Firewire 800 and a 22" secondary display in portrait mode, all of which works just fine.

      It hardly seems insufficient for anything my wife needs to do, though some application mixes (Chromium + iMovie is a particularly bad idea) balk at having only 4 GB of system RAM.

      Nevertheless, I warned her to budget for a replacement 18 months ago, sensing the e-waste event horizon coming to perfectly serviceable hardware near you.

    2. Re:Ya that's not going to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is moving desktop Macs in the "consumer electronics toy" direction. They have been for some time now. Their focus has been on gewgaws, not fundamentals for a good bit. This is not the company you want to stick with for desktop computing if that's what you care about. They are the company for people who have the attitude of a computer being a disposable device they don't care much about: You get the one you like the looks of, don't worry a whole lot about the technical stuff, and use it until it breaks or you decide you like the looks of a new one better.

      If low level stuff and long-term support is what interests you, then you want to look at Linux or Windows. Yes really, Windows, Microsoft makes fundamental improvements to their OS quite often, and they are usually good. Either way while all OSes have fluff you don't care about and will keep getting it, Windows and the vast majority of Linux distros also spend plenty of time on the under-the-hood part.

      Microsoft is made fundamental improvements to their OS often because Windows XP was REALLY REALLY REALLY far behind OS X.
      Now Windows on the desktop is where it should have been years ago if Longhorn/Vista wasn't a total disaster.

  28. OS X.eleventy - flaming butthole edition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another polished, metric-tracking, telemetry-reporting, vendor locking piece of s/w designed to get you to buy more Apple products (hint: Apple is a HW company)

  29. Tough act to follow by sjbe · · Score: 1

    This WWDC is so boring I've actually stopped watching. Is it just me or is the age of Tim Cook extremely dull?

    In comparison to Steve Jobs pretty much anyone they put on stage would likely be considered extremely dull. It's hard to follow an act like that and Cook has never been known for his oratory skills or charisma. Like him or not you have to admit that Steve Jobs was second to none as a salesman.

  30. Mac OS AKA time to buy new hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Apple does this in a way that really does not change the core of the OS. But it's mostly to nudge those running older Mac's to finally say time to buy new hardware. I finally got fed up with OS X and Mac's, the time has past when OS X was lean and fast and stable. Now, it takes 4 or more updates to fix and re fix stuff. Their stuff used to be really good, but ever since Mavericks its been a downhill progression.

    1. Re:Mac OS AKA time to buy new hardware by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      New hardware as in a 2013 system still at the 2013 price in 2016?

      if only they hardware that is not trying to get thinner and thinner each round. Had m.2 cards / does not have fixed ram sizes with ripoff upgrade pricing / even the mini is being comeing a joke.

  31. Re:Why drop systems with 32bit efi? they can run 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's Apple for you. I have two of the older Mac Pros. One required the boot loader hack to run El Capitan and one didn't. Looks like both will be too old to run macOS without a similar hack. I use them for app development and I don't have thousands of dollars to pour into buying the newer mac pros. Plus I don't like the trash can design.

  32. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Actually I have been using nothing but tabs in the Terminal application since I first bought a mac 5-6 years ago. I find it much, much better than what I used to do in the windows days with cmd windows up all over the place. I generally keep a tab open for each project I am working on and one or two for system utility stuff, and that works out very nicely for me. YMMV.

  33. Dear Apple, by sootman · · Score: 1

    If you want to solve my space woes, do something about the 2 GB of "other" on my phone. Or up the base model from 16 GB to 32.

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  34. Abble was ghey and they didn't get shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just owning all the Abble products isn't enough to make one completely ghey; you have to actually use them as intended. Even if you DID jack off while wearing the iWatch, it wouldn't give them your pulse correctly since Abble has such a closed ecosystem, its not like GNU is gonna help them. HOWEVER Abble users switching to teh Lunix is *PROOF* that homosexuality is a *choice* and IT CAN BE CURED The one time I went to the Abble store at the mall, the resident ghey Socialst came up to me in his Speedos and offered me a tiny cup of Froot Loops; he explained that sadly, they had to cut back on the portion size because they were running out of money. I politely turned them down because I wasn't sure what they were glazed with. And his iWatch had the wrong time.

    1. Re:Abble was ghey and they didn't get shot by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      You can't own the abode products any more just rent them.

  35. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by dotgain · · Score: 1

    Another example: dock color. This is such a dumb preference but I cannot imagine why they don't make it user customizable. I like dark colored dock backgrounds, they look better on the desktop backgrounds I choose. But Apple simply will not make them customizable.

    Actually, you've got two choices, light and dark, which sounds like it might suit you. It's not in the Dock Control Panel, of course. It's in General.

  36. There IS a new filesystem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You, like most here, don't seem to understand the keynote is a 2-hour user-oriented publicity piece in a WEEK LONG conference. It covers the flashy highlights that Apple wants in the news. The rest of the conference covers the actual nuts and bolts.

    There are multitudes of deeper changes that don't get mentioned in the keynote because they're not sexy and because 2 hours cannot possibly cover everything, including the new filesystem you made your first bullet point: Apple File System Guide (prerelease)

    1. Re:There IS a new filesystem by mlts · · Score: 1

      Thanks. That goes a long way into addressing a major shortcoming in OS^WmacOS. Even though snapshots have no accessible API, at least this will be there eventually, so the box can get backed up via sends.

  37. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by tepples · · Score: 2

    The cognitive load induced by hiding the state of other windows is considerable.

    I agree with you. But when I've mentioned this before on Slashdot, a lot of replies were to the effect that "all maximized all the time" behavior is something that people can and ought to just learn to tolerate. I seem to remember their reasoning being along the lines that people got used to it on the Apple II, Commodore 64, IBM PC running DOS, and old Macs running Switcher, and they can get used to it now.

  38. Re:Why drop systems with 32bit efi? they can run 6 by Kryptonut · · Score: 1

    I'm in the same boat. I bought a second hand 3,1 octocore Mac Pro which is supported by El Capitan, bumped up the RAM to 32GB and added a SATAIII card + SSD's. It's a monster, does everything I want and more.

    I went that route because I wanted something with some grunt for dev and graphics work (and a bit of gaming in Windows via bootcamp) and it still worked out about the same price or less than a Mac Mini once I'd added the extra bits. Difference is, it eats Mac Minis for breakfast!

    It has 64-bit EFI like other modern Macs and has more grunt than some Macs do today, so I'm very disappointed that it's now going to be forced in to obsolescence within the next couple of years. I picked the 3,1 model because it still met the technical criteria for running modern versions of OS X / macOS.

  39. Airport Express does not solve the problem by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, if only Apple had been making something like that for the last decade. What a wonderful world we would be living in..

    Try again.

    The Airport Express does NOT solve the problem. It does not turn non-AirPrint printers into compatible ones by plugging into the USB port. You will need third party solutions to actually print to any non-AirPrint compatible printer attached to it. I actually own the hardware and have tried. Eventually I bought a third part print server (Lantronix xPrintServer) which solves the problem. It's ridiculous that any Mac cannot provide this functionality out of the box.

  40. iCloud as a place to store stuff? by Chrontius · · Score: 1

    Waitwaitwait. They want me to use iCloud to store files to save hard drive space?

    Really?

    I use my hard drive (and a couple of prodigious USB flash drives) to save iCloud space, which is currently at a premium. Seriously - the free tier is still 5 GB, and currently 90% of that is backups for just my iPhone. I had to disable backup of my iPad because neither one was backing up any more. Immediately, my iPhone unloaded another two gigs into iCloud.

    Right now, I’m afraid to use iCloud, for fear of my backups stopping. Either let me sync through Box, who gave me 50 underutilized gigs, or match their offer. Now that iCloud is multipurpose, and only has room for a single purpose, I fear that none of the features announced will actually work.

    This guy also points out that the internet connection is the slowest connection in the house. He has an excellent point.

    While exceedingly cool on paper, I fear that this is gonna suck

    1. Re:iCloud as a place to store stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're doing it wrong.

      Back up your iDevices locally with encryption: that way you can also back up passwords, S/MIME certs, and other things that won't back up to iCloud (yes, Apple does not back up certs to iCloud because they're not that dumb/evil).

      Use iCloud not for backups but for files you plan to use on multiple computers. For most people, this means photos.

      Finally, consider the $1/month tier of iCloud. You get lots of space, and it's not a bad price point for what you get.

  41. Windows SP / patch level / update level / build by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Windows SP / patch level / update level / build level has also gotten bad with 8 and after.

    Windows 8 then windows 8.1 then windows 8.1 update X with the X part not being listed any where that is easy to find.

    Windows 10 has build numbers but why not windows 10.1 windows 10.2 windows 10.2.1 etc?

  42. Apple Apologist, explain this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is it, that Sierra supports a MacBook from 2009, but "NOT" a MacBook 'Pro' from 2009?

    What kind of BS are you going to spin to justify Apple this time?

  43. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

    You may be right. It's been a while since I futzed with it. I believe that they changed the color of the dark dock, and it's a color that clashes with my background. So I guess it's not that I can't choose a dark dock, it's that I can't choose an arbitrarily colored dock.

  44. MacOS, what it has always been by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"Apple at WWDC 2016 announced that its desktop operating system will now be called macOS "

    Really, it has always been MacOS. The big change happened when it went from MacOS version 9 to MacOS version 10... they just used a roman numeral "X" for the major version of 10 and added a cutesy cat name as an alternative for the minor version number. So really, they have just dropped the "X" nonsense so perhaps now it is possible to actually have a MacOS 11 at some point.

    We can finally stop hearing the incorrect "MacOS Eckes" or people saying the redundant "MacOS ten version ten point four" or whatever. Yay! :)

  45. Re:P0WN-0-V1510N would also suit... by bug_hunter · · Score: 1

    Well to achieve the same effect as that now you could just download a disgusting image and send it as an attachment. Messages would automatically show it.

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  46. Overgrown iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not content with turning unmaintainability into an art form, now Apple want to turn the Mac into an overgrown iPhone, and charge you for the privilege. I think I'll stick with older macs, and get my preferred version of Siri from my favorite porn site.

    1. Re:Overgrown iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri has retired, sadly. :(

  47. ZFS needs ECC RAM by perpenso · · Score: 1

    ZFS requires an absurd amount of RAM dedicated to managing storage.

    And ZFS needs ECC RAM, errors must be detected because with ZFS there can be a write to the hard drive to fix a mismatched "checksum" when the software is requesting a read. Bad RAM is a much bigger problem with ZFS than other file systems. Its really not a good idea for consumer hardware.

    1. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by Drishmung · · Score: 1

      ZFS requires an absurd amount of RAM dedicated to managing storage.

      And ZFS needs ECC RAM, errors must be detected because with ZFS there can be a write to the hard drive to fix a mismatched "checksum" when the software is requesting a read. Bad RAM is a much bigger problem with ZFS than other file systems. Its really not a good idea for consumer hardware.

      Disputed, to put it mildly.

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    2. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And ZFS needs ECC RAM

      No it doesn't. ZFS has a level of data integrity built into it where lack of ECC in RAM becomes the next most likely source of data corruption. But in terms of your data, ZFS doesn't magically make disk operations any more risky due to the use of non-ECC RAM than any other filesystem. Actually less so.

      It's advertised as needing ECC RAM to ensure the perfect data integrity the filesystem is renowned for.

    3. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by perpenso · · Score: 1

      But in terms of your data, ZFS doesn't magically make disk operations any more risky due to the use of non-ECC RAM than any other filesystem.

      No, a read operation can cause data on disk to change. That does not happen in other file systems. This change to data has good intentions, it is to correct what is believed to be corrupted data but if the corruption is in RAM and not on-disk bit rot or something then good data on disk was erroneously changed. ECC RAM prevents this.

    4. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by perpenso · · Score: 1

      ZFS requires an absurd amount of RAM dedicated to managing storage.

      And ZFS needs ECC RAM, errors must be detected because with ZFS there can be a write to the hard drive to fix a mismatched "checksum" when the software is requesting a read. Bad RAM is a much bigger problem with ZFS than other file systems. Its really not a good idea for consumer hardware.

      Disputed, to put it mildly.

      http://research.cs.wisc.edu/ad...

    5. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by Drishmung · · Score: 1
      You said "ZFS needs ECC RAM". Implying that ZFS is special is this regard. The link however contains the following:

      7 Beyond ZFS
      In addition to ZFS, we have applied the same fault injec- tion framework used in Section 5 to a simpler filesystem, ext2. Our initial results indicate that ext2 is also vulner- able to memory corruptions. For example, corrupt data can be returned to the user or written to disk. When cer- tain fields of a VFS inode are corrupted, operations on that inode fail or the whole system crashes. If the inode is dirty, the corrupted fields of the VFS inode are propa- gated to the inode in the page cache and are then written to disk, making the corruptions permanent. Moreover, if the superblock in the page cache is corrupted and flushed to disk, it might result in an unmountable filesystem.
      In summary, so far we have studied two extremes: ZFS, a complex filesystem with many techniques to maintain on-disk data integrity, and ext2, a simpler filesystem with few mechanisms to provide extra relia- bility. Both are vulnerable to memory corruptions. It seems that regardless of the complexity of the file sys- tem and the amount of machinery used to protect against disk corruptions, memory corruptions are still a problem.

      ZFS needs ECC as much as every other file system.

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    6. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      While that is true from what I understand only a very tiny portion of that read is susceptible to the error which is the write back operation after a checksum mismatch, and for that a checksum would need to mismatch in the first place, AND for that to work you need to use ZFS in a system where checksumming actually works (i.e. more than one drive), where the alternative to that ZFS feature is to use another filesystem + RAID which is also susceptible to similar ECC related errors.

      It's not a new risk, it only looks like it since the feature that causes it isn't natively part of other file systems but in any comparable scenario the risk remains unchanged.

      Mind you if you don't hate your data you should have been using ECC anyway.

    7. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by perpenso · · Score: 1

      You said "ZFS needs ECC RAM". Implying that ZFS is special is this regard. The link however contains the following:

      7 Beyond ZFS In addition to ZFS, we have applied the same fault injec- tion framework used in Section 5 to a simpler filesystem, ext2. Our initial results indicate that ext2 is also vulner- able to memory corruptions. For example, corrupt data can be returned to the user or written to disk. When cer- tain fields of a VFS inode are corrupted, operations on that inode fail or the whole system crashes. If the inode is dirty, the corrupted fields of the VFS inode are propa- gated to the inode in the page cache and are then written to disk, making the corruptions permanent. Moreover, if the superblock in the page cache is corrupted and flushed to disk, it might result in an unmountable filesystem. In summary, so far we have studied two extremes: ZFS, a complex filesystem with many techniques to maintain on-disk data integrity, and ext2, a simpler filesystem with few mechanisms to provide extra relia- bility. Both are vulnerable to memory corruptions. It seems that regardless of the complexity of the file sys- tem and the amount of machinery used to protect against disk corruptions, memory corruptions are still a problem.

      ZFS needs ECC as much as every other file system.

      No, ZFS is more vulnerable. All filesystems can corrupt the disk by writing bad data, however ZFS can corrupt data on disk when an application only reads the disk. When checksums fail ZFS will assume the problem is on disk and attempt to "repair" the data on disk. This automatic repair is a great feature, when your RAM can be trusted.

      Ex: "Dirtying blocks due to updating file access time increases the possibility of making corruptions permanent. By default, access time updates are en- abled in ZFS; therefore, a read-only workload will update the access time of any file accessed. Consequently, when the structure containing the access time (znode) goes inactive (or when there is another workload that updates the znode), ZFS writes the block holding the znode to disk and updates and writes all its parental blocks. Therefore, any corruption to these blocks will become permanent after the flush caused by the access time update."

    8. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by perpenso · · Score: 1

      I am not saying it is a new risk in ZFS, merely that it is something understood about ZFS for a long time. And given that Apple is making consumer devices and does not want to use ECC, ZFS is not a good fit and that is most likely why Apple passed on it. If Apple were still making servers then ZFS may very well be an option on those.

    9. Re:ZFS needs ECC RAM by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes but my point was that the ECC part becomes relevant when using ZFS's checksumming feature. In a "consumer" device Apple are also unlikely to ship redundant storage to put into a zpool and as such it becomes a non-issue. Reads remain non-destructive reads just like on every other file system.

      But you still get the other benefits that are offered with things like copy on write, compression, arc cache etc.

  48. Apple wanted NeXTSTEP not Unix by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Going to Unix was a business decision to use a Freely available OS and just tweak it with a New UI.

    No. Going NeXTSTEP was the business decision to get a modern operating system. NeXTSTEP just happened to be built upon Unix. NeXTSTEP contained many software elements beyond Unix. And NeXTSTEP would bring Steve Jobs with it.

    Unix was a useful afterthought. Something useful to attract some scientists, engineers and other high end users to the Mac platform. People who were migrating from traditional Unix workstations and weren't sure about PC-based Linux.

  49. Like Microsoft's a leader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The move comes roughly a year and a half after Microsoft brought its Cortana virtual assistant to desktop platform Windows 10.

    Microsoft's had Cortana in Windows 10 for a year? Big deal! Apple's MacOS had Casper (aka PlainTalk) back in the early 1990's. Speech-to-text wasn't powerful enough nor reliable enough back then for it to be useful, though.

  50. How do I turn off Optimized Storage? by scdeimos · · Score: 1

    The last thing I want is OS X trying to upload terrabytes of audio/video clips to iCloud because it thinks they're "old files".

    iCloud storage must be great when you don't have 300ms latency and expensive ISP-imposed bandwidth caps to deal with, but the rest of the world doesn't actually want it.

  51. Please fix the fonts first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Apple:
    I don't want new features. All I want is for you to fix the bugs in your current release. Bugs that have been widely documented for years and years now. E.g.: Why is the font in the Apple Store so tiny, so that I can't even read it, and there is no way to increase it, as I can on many other apps. Until you allow me to set the font size on all Apps, I neither want nor need any other upgrade. And fix the file explorer while your at it.
    Thanks!

  52. Apple is a faggy OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can be a legit heterosexual at distrowatch (dot) com

  53. What is the criteria for discontinuing support? by williamyf · · Score: 1

    For instance, I have a MacBook Aluminum unibody Late 2008 that is out of support
    But the MacBook late 2009 Policarbonate is supported.
    Both use Nvidia's 9400m as graphics + Chipset.
    Both Use Penryn Type processors as the CPU (2Ghz and 2,4Ghz in the 2008 case, 2,2Ghz as in the 2009 model)
    Both come in 2GB/4GB (max) RAM Configurations
    Both come with Mechanical HDD (min 120GB in the 2008 model, min 256GB in the case of the 2009 model).

    So, aside from the fact that some of the base models have slightly lesser specs of CPU, and that the Min Storage is smaller (easy to change, the 2008 model can be opened SANS TOOLS), I guess that the reasonign is along the lines of:

    We would love to get rid of the 9400m Machines, but a late 2009 model would generate an outcry. Let's leave it for a generation more.

    At least, when I hack the OS instaler to install Sierra on that machine, I'll be confident that the Kexts for the CPU, Graphics and Chipset are fully supported, and since my machine is the 2,4Ghz model, I'll be actually beyond the spec...

    Contradictory, It would have been better for apple (but worse for me) if they discontinued support for ALL 9400m type machines.

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    1. Re:What is the criteria for discontinuing support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's all BS, but my guess is they based it on percentage of computers sold and it all comes down to greed.

      A 2009 MacBook Pro has both a 9600m GT + 9400m and has better specs all around than a MacBook from late 2009, but yet it's been dropped from support.

      This also goes for Mac Pro 2009 with real expansion slots that allow it to support more and better GPUs( even PC GPUs now days ), but yet they've also been dropped from support.

      I jumped ship from Apple the other year. I saw this coming and it was easy given how outdated their specs have become, so fortunately my MacBook Pro not being supported isn't going to effect me other than leaving yet again another sour taste in my mouth about what a fucked up company Apple has become.

      Microsoft has no problems supporting much older and crappier configurations, but yet a company that's worshiped for its money now days can't bet bothered to take care of their much smaller user base.

    2. Re:What is the criteria for discontinuing support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's interesting, I think while the computer might be 2009 it's still totally useful and even though is has very low ram and video specs, for the most part it can easily function perfectly for most people.. I think what is poor, is the fact the the very company who made this computer is now pretty much 'deciding' the computers fate, not the USER or the computer itself... I think the OWNER should be the one to start deciding it's a bit slow for various things and they might start looking at changing it's role from a primary computer to something else etc, but the point is, the OWNER should be able to do this as they please, not to have the whole company just say 'oh well, it's old just chuck it out'.. the sad truth is, installing Linux or Windows 10 would make it pretty useful, probably better than an old unsupported Mac OS.

      However I for some reason contradict myself, mostly because laptops mostly get out of date pretty fast because it's all set in solder (hello apple) what the specs are.. so, I suppose back in 2009, 2 Gig of ram was 'enough for anyone'.. but hopeless in 2016. I suspect the video card in 2009 especially on a laptop back then would be past it, but then again, that's only if you play games...

      My Desktop PC is around 2009 (Original i7) and I just upgraded it from 6gig to 14gig for a whole $66, threw in a 480Gig SSD for $190, did a fresh install of Windows 10 and it's new again. No joke. My next upgrade is a new video card, then I am set, pretty much. Everything is snappy and fast, windows loads fast, runs everything etc. I don't think much has really improved enough for me to 'upgrade' past Ram & SSD and I think 2009 was around the time things changed dramatically from the old P4 days etc.

      Anyway, Apple suck and those 'fans' either have plenty of money to waste or just want to keep face... I remember a friend of mine spent lots of $$ on a new Macintosh with software only to find out they hidden the fact they were moving to PowerPC... then years later the same people were stung again when Apple moved to Intel. Lol.

      Anyway, I think the days of caring about a fancy slim laptop for $2000+ more for the same specs is over, because in just a few years it will be deemed 'on the legacy list'.

  54. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by grrowl · · Score: 1

    It's the slow march to unification across macOS/iOS/tvOS. Last major update they made "zoom" take the window full-screen in its own space by default. This major, they move towards apps grouping documents under the same window. Next major they improve spaces support (potentially making an application space run in a window), then they've migrated the window-based-paradigm into an app-based-paradigm (like iOS and tvOS). iOS apps already support flexible sizing since iOS 9 to enable this. Once applications can (optionally) support multiple input methods (touch / mouse / keyboard), all new apps are already using the same underlying tech (CloudKit, UIKit, etc.) across all apple OSes, and iOS apps bytecode format already runs on macOS. Respect to them for exercising restraint toward unification to let their users catch up, as opposed to going too far too fast (windows 8) and alienating everyone, but yes some people will still be alienated. No one can argue "system integrity" AKA Rootless doesn't improve security, but it can't be argued it doesn't disable some use cases.

  55. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Example: click-to-focus. It's not possible to have focus-follows-pointer in Mac OS X. There is no option that would enable it. Apple decided that everyone should use click-to-focus, and that is the unassailable law in the Mac world.

    It has been that way since 1984, though. There's a big difference when you're talking about something that they change after the fact. They at least sometimes make those optional. Not often enough, mind you, but....

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  56. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Next major they improve spaces support (potentially making an application space run in a window) ...

    They still don't have a usable mechanism on iOS for having more than two apps onscreen at the same time. There's no way OS X users would tolerate such a limited environment. There are definite limits to how far unification can go without driving users away, and I think we're pretty much at that point already.

    Full-screen UIs are useful for some things in some situations, and are favored by people who use their computers for very limited purposes—the sorts of people who could just as easily use a tablet with a keyboard (and possibly without). Although it does no harm to make that usage model possible, it would be very harmful to make that usage model the norm.

    How do I know that it would be harmful? Because I remember history. We already tried the whole "put the entire app in a single window" model. It was called Microsoft Windows. Mac OS was always an alternative to that UI abortion. That design didn't work when Microsoft did it; it would be pretty silly to believe that it will suddenly magically not suck if Apple does the same thing. It will suck almost exactly as much, and for the same reason.

    Once applications can (optionally) support multiple input methods (touch / mouse / keyboard), all new apps are already using the same underlying tech (CloudKit, UIKit, etc.) across all apple OSes, and iOS apps bytecode format already runs on macOS.

    That's just not realistic. The sorts of apps that folks use on OS X aren't feasible on iOS precisely because windows matter and precise pointer positioning matters. I don't think we'll ever see UIKit replace AppKit or vice versa, because they target fundamentally different types of hardware for fundamentally different types of apps.

    This is not to say that they won't make it possible to run iOS apps on OS X. That would be pretty trivial; they already have a simulator that can run iOS apps if recompiled for the x86-64 or i386 platform, and with a small amount of extra effort, they could make the remaining unavailable APIs work correctly, then allow folks to submit x86-64 slices in iOS apps and add a tiny bit of code to UIKit that would cause it to open a new simulator window when you double-click the app.

    That said, it has been that trivial for eight years now, and they haven't done it, which suggests that it isn't likely.

    No one can argue "system integrity" AKA Rootless doesn't improve security, but it can't be argued it doesn't disable some use cases.

    Which is why you can disable it. Tabs should be no different.

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  57. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Well, they're partially right. Some tasks do lend themselves to an immersive design that controls your screen. Video editing and photo editing are great examples, because they both need to control the menu bar and other stuff to minimize visual distractions. I remember when Apple made the Apple icon blue and Adobe had a coronary and made the add an API that would let them turn it grey in Photoshop....

    Other tasks lend themselves to the opposite. For example, I routinely have Xcode running with two or three or four windows, editing different files in each window, along with a stack of eight or ten Terminal windows running vi in an ssh session to let me edit code on a staging server that provides content to the software that I'm writing in Xcode. If I were forced into a one-app-per-screen, one-view-per-screen world, I would be forced to run Linux as my primary desktop and relegate the Mac and Xcode to a VNC window, because that's the only way I'd be able to get work done.

    And it isn't even different users. I do video editing and photo editing, too. I do rather a lot of photography, actually. My Lightroom library is approaching 70,000 photos, most of which are on a 2 TB portable hard drive because I filled up my terabyte MacBook Pro's internal drive more than once. So it isn't that I don't appreciate having better full-screen support. It is absolutely useful for some apps. But it is also absolutely crucial that such changes be optional and user-controllable, because what works in one situation won't work in every situation.

    In much the same way that I would never go back and use an Apple II, I could never replace my laptop with an iOS tablet. I wouldn't survive a week if I tried that. And no matter how slowly Apple made the transition, there would eventually be a point where I'd be running a different operating system because I was no longer able to function without proper windowing. And I say this as somebody who has exclusively used Macs since 1994.

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  58. Not buying new Apple computers. Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The main problem is most of us don't buy new desktop computers every 2 years like we used to.

    Well, I *would* have been buying them, but they completely fucktarded the macpro hardware, and so now I buy older machines off EBay.

    <shrug>

    Don't blame me. I wanted to buy a great new macpro. Unfortunately, they stopped making them.

    They wanted me to buy a garbage can with desk tumors. Nah. Not happening. Idiots.

  59. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    Terminal already has tabs.

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  60. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    Click to focus is absolutely the right thing to do. I once had to use a Unix desk top environment that gave focus to whichever window the mouse pointer was over. It was a disaster: I would be typing an email, find the mouse pointer was in the way, move it, continue typing and find my my email in a source code editor.

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  61. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Check out my sci-fi trilogy at PatriotsBooks.com [patriotsbooks.com].

    Considering how bad your macOS fiction is, no thanks.

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  62. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Click to focus is absolutely the right thing to do. I once had to use a Unix desk top environment that gave focus to whichever window the mouse pointer was over. It was a disaster: I would be typing an email, find the mouse pointer was in the way, move it, continue typing and find my my email in a source code editor.

    I really hated it to have a window in the background, just perfect where it was to check its content, and then to have to carefully navigate the mouse pointer around it so it wouldn't pop up, thus having to re-stack the other windows for work.

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  63. Re:Why drop systems with 32bit efi? they can run 6 by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Why drop systems with 32bit efi? they can run 64 bit windows and with boot loader hacks 64 bit mac os.

    https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26734.html - short answer: because it's a bloody dumb idea not to drop it.

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  64. Far more printers without AirPrint than with by sjbe · · Score: 1

    How did you happen to buy so many printers that aren't AirPrint compatible?

    AirPrint is pretty recent thing. There are FAR more printers that are not AirPrint compatible than printers that are. My daily workhorse printers are a Lexmark T610 and a Brother HL-4150CDN. Neither of these printers has AirPrint and I don't anticipate replacing either of them any time soon.

    I would have to go out of my way to find a wireless printer that doesn't support AirPrint.

    None of my printers are wireless. Nor should they need to be. I should be able to access them through a network or through the PC they are attached to if I so desire. That should be an out of the box feature for any Apple product (router or Mac). As it stands I have to buy an unnecessary third party print server to get any iOS device to print. So much for "it just works".

  65. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

    No one said anything about focus-to-raise functionality. In fact this is one of the primary benefits of pointer-to-focus instead of click-to-focus ... I can type into a partially obscured window if I need to, which often I do. But on the Mac I have to spend time moving my windows around so that the thing I want to look at is not obscured by the thing I'm trying to type into, all the time.

    Also, it's super easy to dea with mouse pointers that are "in the way". Move them up an inch, but stay within your program. That is like a non-problem compared to the problems that click-to-focus systems bring.

    But whatever ... have your preference, and live with it in peace and joy. I just want Apple to give me the same opportunity.

  66. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by jafac · · Score: 2

    Yes, keyboard navigation in OS X is a total shit show. Apps behave differently to the keystrokes, and some don't respond at all (if the window is "hidden" instead of minimized - why is there a fucking difference?, and if you use a laptop from the built in screen at home, and then use multiple monitors at work, good luck getting UI's and windows to scale right. So much broken.

    Also, I know homebrew is nice and all, but OS X REALLY REALLY REALLY needs a decent package manager system. AND a FUCKING UNINSTALLER FOR FUCK"S SAKE. And a central way to find all of the places every app stores startup elements, configuration items, resources . . . etc.

    This is all basic "list of main things every OS should do"; and OS X does not get these. Release after release.

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    These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
  67. Re:Just as long as tabs can be turned OFF by the u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What did you ever publish?

    Besides your first book, "How to Be a Huge Douchebag"?