You really think there's nothing at all silly about saying the difference between the difference between superhero comics and horror comics, or children's manga and adult-oriented manga is as big as the difference between comics and text?
People like you, who cannot or will not discern between similar but different things, are a significant problem in the world today. Because of people like YOU, things like graphic novels are associated with childish superhero comics by the majority of the public, and therefore are limited in popularity here in the U.S.
A significant problem? Really?
In contrast, in Europe and Japan, and in most of Asia in fact, the distinction between kiddie comics and adult graphic novels is very well understood and the medium is much more respected there.
Funny thing, you know: I'm from Europe. And you know? Nobody here feels the need to use words like "graphic novel". It's all "comics". Comics for children, comics for adults, nobody feels the need to make up special words for them.
What I am suggesting to you is NOT that I am better or special because I'm interested in material designed to be read by adults.
Then why are you making so much noise about how you like it?
By the way, if you "don't read any of that" how exactly do you justify saying a few seconds later that "what I read are comics"?
Because perhaps "comics" is a generic term to most people, much like "music"? Most people don't think a "comic book" is some specific kind of publication. It's a book with comics in it. And that's what a graphic novel is, and that's what a superhero magazine is, and that's what a european comic album is, and that's what a manga tankubon is.
By the way, and this is very funny, you DO think something you do "makes you better than anyone else" -- specifically, you think that believing you're NOT better than anyone else makes you BETTER than people who DO think they're better than others.
If that is so, how is that inconsistent with anything I've said so far? I didn't say I didn't think anything made me a better person. I specifically said that I don't think that what I enjoy reading does.
Uh huh. Right-o. So, you're into spandex, capes, and little pointed booties I guess.
There you go again, trying to show everyone how you're so much better because of what you read.
But sorry, dude, I don't read any of that. I probably read stuff that's far more obscure than you do, but I really feel no need at all to make any kind of point of that. What I read are comics. I like some of them, I don't like others, but I don't for a second think this makes me any better than anyone else, nor do I look down on others for reading the things I don't enjoy.
Hobbies and interests are not a popularity contest. You don't get points for liking some things and not others. Your interests should serve only to make yourself happier, not as some kind of measure of your worth as a person compared to anyone else.
Yes, like I said, I get very well that you are so insecure about your interests that you have to make up new words and write long, long explanations about how the things you like are much better than those things others like which look exactly the same.
Seriously, get over yourself. You're reading comics. Some comics are sillier than others, and some are deeper than others, but they're all comics. And you're allowed to like comics! You don't need to make up elaborate justifications! Just enjoy what you like and ignore what you don't like, and stop worrying about how to label things.
After some pedophile spammer posted links to one of his sites on a site I admined, I took a look and noticed it was running really bad Chinese message board software, and let users post unfiltered HTML.
So I sat down and wrote a piece of Javascript that would post a copy of itself with a random headline on the board when viewed, and then send the user to Last Measure, and I posted this on the board. Of course, it started multiplying quickly as each user viewing a single message caused it to repost itself with a new title.
Once the admin noticed this - and like I said, he was not too bright - he turned on his spamming software on his own board, to try and flood the self-replicator out. This worked for about five minutes, until somebody browsed far enough back into the list to find one of the old messages, and then it started all over again.
A couple days later, the site hit a hardcoded limit at 30000 posts, and refused to let anyone post any more.
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It's not impossible, but it certainly is stupid to not take that chance. Pedophiles tend to be gullible and desperate, and you can no doubt make a killing off them with extremely little effort, provided you have no conscience.
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Ah yes, the old "I fucked up my entire argument so I'll just claim I was trolling all along" gambit. Good job with that.
The European guy who keeps arguing with me is clueless. He has no idea how things work over here.
Wait, so now you're not keeping track of who you're talking to, and you're talking about me behind my back?
You're a real class act, dude.
You really think there's nothing at all silly about saying the difference between the difference between superhero comics and horror comics, or children's manga and adult-oriented manga is as big as the difference between comics and text?
I did, and I did.
People like you, who cannot or will not discern between similar but different things, are a significant problem in the world today. Because of people like YOU, things like graphic novels are associated with childish superhero comics by the majority of the public, and therefore are limited in popularity here in the U.S.
A significant problem? Really?
In contrast, in Europe and Japan, and in most of Asia in fact, the distinction between kiddie comics and adult graphic novels is very well understood and the medium is much more respected there.
Funny thing, you know: I'm from Europe. And you know? Nobody here feels the need to use words like "graphic novel". It's all "comics". Comics for children, comics for adults, nobody feels the need to make up special words for them.
but the poster did not make up the word "Graphic Novel,"
If you though I implied any such thing, you really need to try and be less literal-minded when reading casual conversation.
That goes for the rest of your arguments too, come to think of it. Learn to read intended meanings, not literal words.
What I am suggesting to you is NOT that I am better or special because I'm interested in material designed to be read by adults.
Then why are you making so much noise about how you like it?
By the way, if you "don't read any of that" how exactly do you justify saying a few seconds later that "what I read are comics"?
Because perhaps "comics" is a generic term to most people, much like "music"? Most people don't think a "comic book" is some specific kind of publication. It's a book with comics in it. And that's what a graphic novel is, and that's what a superhero magazine is, and that's what a european comic album is, and that's what a manga tankubon is.
By the way, and this is very funny, you DO think something you do "makes you better than anyone else" -- specifically, you think that believing you're NOT better than anyone else makes you BETTER than people who DO think they're better than others.
If that is so, how is that inconsistent with anything I've said so far? I didn't say I didn't think anything made me a better person. I specifically said that I don't think that what I enjoy reading does.
Uh huh. Right-o. So, you're into spandex, capes, and little pointed booties I guess.
There you go again, trying to show everyone how you're so much better because of what you read.
But sorry, dude, I don't read any of that. I probably read stuff that's far more obscure than you do, but I really feel no need at all to make any kind of point of that. What I read are comics. I like some of them, I don't like others, but I don't for a second think this makes me any better than anyone else, nor do I look down on others for reading the things I don't enjoy.
Hobbies and interests are not a popularity contest. You don't get points for liking some things and not others. Your interests should serve only to make yourself happier, not as some kind of measure of your worth as a person compared to anyone else.
Get it?
Yes, like I said, I get very well that you are so insecure about your interests that you have to make up new words and write long, long explanations about how the things you like are much better than those things others like which look exactly the same.
Seriously, get over yourself. You're reading comics. Some comics are sillier than others, and some are deeper than others, but they're all comics. And you're allowed to like comics! You don't need to make up elaborate justifications! Just enjoy what you like and ignore what you don't like, and stop worrying about how to label things.
So it basically all boils down to print quality, then?
You know, some of us are not so insecure about our hobbies that we feel the need to make up new words to describe them because them.
Of course not, they're all completely incompetent! They got their jobs by sending in a coupon off a cereal box!
I've got some pretty good anecdotes, though!
After some pedophile spammer posted links to one of his sites on a site I admined, I took a look and noticed it was running really bad Chinese message board software, and let users post unfiltered HTML.
So I sat down and wrote a piece of Javascript that would post a copy of itself with a random headline on the board when viewed, and then send the user to Last Measure, and I posted this on the board. Of course, it started multiplying quickly as each user viewing a single message caused it to repost itself with a new title.
Once the admin noticed this - and like I said, he was not too bright - he turned on his spamming software on his own board, to try and flood the self-replicator out. This worked for about five minutes, until somebody browsed far enough back into the list to find one of the old messages, and then it started all over again.
A couple days later, the site hit a hardcoded limit at 30000 posts, and refused to let anyone post any more.
Experience. If you don't want to listen to that, that's your problem.
By having to deal with them and their shit on the net.
Try running a site that lets people post images and comments, and soon enough you will to have the displeasure of doing so.
No, it's merely a way of showing that you confuse Wikipedia with reality, and are unable to express yourself in your own words.
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I wasn't talking about those who get caught.
Why are you even talking about market share now? Nobody has brought that up before, and I fail to see how it's relevant in any way.
It's not impossible, but it certainly is stupid to not take that chance. Pedophiles tend to be gullible and desperate, and you can no doubt make a killing off them with extremely little effort, provided you have no conscience.
Did you just fill that in at random?
My net connection goes down far more often than GMail does. I've never even noticed GMail being down that I can remember.
It's good enough for the vast majority of people, including me.
Did you just fill that in at random, or what?
The days when Slashdot could shut down a site with proper hosting are long since past. Imaging it could shut down a whole ISP is preposterous.
No, it's not. It's specifically about having access to Google Apps.