Color me skeptical; what are the chances this is not another overpriced "flagship" POS from Nokia?
I think Nokia's hype machinery has failed at least partially if you are tellimg me you haven't seen any specs, hands on's or rumors about N8. As moderately satisfied Symbian user I have good feeling about it. But I'm looking forward for the camera maybe more than the next person probably.
Perhaps I want to make money on an application? Being an American, will I even be sold in a European App store?
I don't know. One of the most successful OVI app store developers is Digital Chocolate, which is based on California. I can buy their games just fine here in Europe.
It has been stated by both sides that Nokia asked from Apple three times the value they'd asked from other licensees, and a patent sharing agreement that the other licensees hadn't been made to enter.
Sorry, I haven't seen that. I thought the contracts between manufacturers were secret.
If Nokia offered to license its patents under non-discriminatory terms according to the ITC, then there would be no issue.
Well you don't know what the terms were or were not.
Nokia is desperate because of the market share they're losing in the cell phone business, at least in North America (I know they're still strong in Europe).
Maybe it's just my lack of english, but doesn't desperate mean something like "only thing left to do" or something like that.
In USA Nokia has been a non player for years mainly because of non existing operator "support". People in USA just don't want to buy phones without contracts. And Nokia doesn't want operators crippling their phones. But I see very little in this case that would help sell more Nokia phones in USA, so the market share loosing in US has nothing to do with this patent case..
Nokias market share is still around 38-40% of all phones sold worldwide. It sells more phones in one quarter than Apple has sold ever.
If Dell started selling a GSM adaptor for their laptops and bought those adaptors already made so all that had to be done was to solder it into the motherboards, Nokia wants the to charge Dell for selling those adaptors too.
It depends how the manufacturer licensed the tech from Nokia. (or from anyone else) Basically there's no way to cut corners, you pay from the technology either yourself directly to the patent owner or you pay the same to the manufacturer who then pays to the patent owner.
Nokia or other patent owners are probably less willing to make such deals with manufacturers as it's better to have more control on pricing than give the control to the manufacturer/subcontractor.
Nope, it's not anti-competitive. What it is though, is in violation of RAND terms, which nokia signed up to when they let their patents become part of the GSM standard.
Well you don't know that, because you don't know how others have licensed those patents. Or what Apple was willing to pay. If you do please tell me.
I think Apple was willing to pay something and that something wasn't enough, or was in other ways conflicting what others pay for the same thing.
There are more to phones that just specs and screenshots. Or do we buy cars based solely on which car has more HP?
My Nokia E71 has good specs as well. expandable memory, WiFi, web-browser etc... But it's still crap when compared to my 1st gen iPod touch. Just because device has certain features does not mean that those features are actually usable.
Of course it remains to be seen how good those features are on the device, but we can't just stare at specs on a screen and say "it's better than this other device".
I would say your E71 makes better phone calls. Also it's good to compare apples and oranges.
Would that be the same Javascript that (by design) does not permit any local I/O? How is it you imagine them creating and writing database records and opening/closing filehandles on a filesystem, when the scripting language itself, forbids it?
They allow programmers to use web OS specific API that allows filewrites for example.
Ever tried to write business objects in PHP? What about dependency injection? Database abstraction? (let's face it PDO is a joke). Hell even prepared statements are a pain in PHP/MySQL (only exist in mysqli, and the implementation is horrible). AOP?
I don't even know what the these terms mean so it must mean I can still use MySQL and it has a place after all?
OTOH, wasn't there something about this kind of hack making copy protection "inadequate" and therefore unenforceable, i.e. legally circumventable in Finland?
The decision was overruled/changed in higher court. Unfortunately some lawyers are idiots in Finland too.
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Color me skeptical; what are the chances this is not another overpriced "flagship" POS from Nokia?
I think Nokia's hype machinery has failed at least partially if you are tellimg me you haven't seen any specs, hands on's or rumors about N8. As moderately satisfied Symbian user I have good feeling about it. But I'm looking forward for the camera maybe more than the next person probably.
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/08/nokia-n8-camera-2260-days-in-the-making-part-12/
Perhaps I want to make money on an application? Being an American, will I even be sold in a European App store?
I don't know. One of the most successful OVI app store developers is Digital Chocolate, which is based on California. I can buy their games just fine here in Europe.
what is a check and why should I by using them?
along with asking 3 times more money than they asked for from any other company
Maybe because iPhone is 3 times more expensive that other phones overall. Also because they started to sell iPhone without paying anything.
It has been stated by both sides that Nokia asked from Apple three times the value they'd asked from other licensees, and a patent sharing agreement that the other licensees hadn't been made to enter.
Sorry, I haven't seen that. I thought the contracts between manufacturers were secret.
If Nokia offered to license its patents under non-discriminatory terms according to the ITC, then there would be no issue.
Well you don't know what the terms were or were not.
Nokia is desperate because of the market share they're losing in the cell phone business, at least in North America (I know they're still strong in Europe).
Maybe it's just my lack of english, but doesn't desperate mean something like "only thing left to do" or something like that.
In USA Nokia has been a non player for years mainly because of non existing operator "support". People in USA just don't want to buy phones without contracts. And Nokia doesn't want operators crippling their phones. But I see very little in this case that would help sell more Nokia phones in USA, so the market share loosing in US has nothing to do with this patent case..
Nokias market share is still around 38-40% of all phones sold worldwide. It sells more phones in one quarter than Apple has sold ever.
If Dell started selling a GSM adaptor for their laptops and bought those adaptors already made so all that had to be done was to solder it into the motherboards, Nokia wants the to charge Dell for selling those adaptors too.
It depends how the manufacturer licensed the tech from Nokia. (or from anyone else) Basically there's no way to cut corners, you pay from the technology either yourself directly to the patent owner or you pay the same to the manufacturer who then pays to the patent owner.
Nokia or other patent owners are probably less willing to make such deals with manufacturers as it's better to have more control on pricing than give the control to the manufacturer/subcontractor.
2) Apple isn't trying to get favoured rates, they're trying to get the same rates as everyone else as dictated by RAND terms.
Please quote some other source than Apple for this...
Nope, it's not anti-competitive. What it is though, is in violation of RAND terms, which nokia signed up to when they let their patents become part of the GSM standard.
Well you don't know that, because you don't know how others have licensed those patents. Or what Apple was willing to pay. If you do please tell me.
I think Apple was willing to pay something and that something wasn't enough, or was in other ways conflicting what others pay for the same thing.
Why? What patents does LG or Samsung hold that would be of interest to Nokia?
Maybe Samsung own some nice HW patents as it's one of the largest chip manufacturers in the world. LG is not a small player either.
but also license patents that had *nothing* to do with standards.
Apple has GSM standard patents?
There are more to phones that just specs and screenshots. Or do we buy cars based solely on which car has more HP?
My Nokia E71 has good specs as well. expandable memory, WiFi, web-browser etc... But it's still crap when compared to my 1st gen iPod touch. Just because device has certain features does not mean that those features are actually usable.
Of course it remains to be seen how good those features are on the device, but we can't just stare at specs on a screen and say "it's better than this other device".
I would say your E71 makes better phone calls. Also it's good to compare apples and oranges.
One thing I can think of which would be extremely useful would be an IM client.
Would it? what would multitasking accomplish that push-notifications does not?
Maybe let me listen to music/talk on the phone/take photos/write email, sms while the IM program is running?
Would that be the same Javascript that (by design) does not permit any local I/O? How is it you imagine them creating and writing database records and opening/closing filehandles on a filesystem, when the scripting language itself, forbids it?
They allow programmers to use web OS specific API that allows filewrites for example.
Ever tried to write business objects in PHP? What about dependency injection? Database abstraction? (let's face it PDO is a joke). Hell even prepared statements are a pain in PHP/MySQL (only exist in mysqli, and the implementation is horrible). AOP?
I don't even know what the these terms mean so it must mean I can still use MySQL and it has a place after all?
OTOH, wasn't there something about this kind of hack making copy protection "inadequate" and therefore unenforceable, i.e. legally circumventable in Finland?
The decision was overruled/changed in higher court. Unfortunately some lawyers are idiots in Finland too.
must be your lucky day
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http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5
Were they really Nokia's batteries that were exploding? AFAIR they have always been 3rd party batteries that exploded.
I don't think so, automatic update has been on the works since/before the full FF 1.01 release.
watch (digi) TV on it. With a addon but anyway.