Plenty of the parts have DRM on the firmware that prevents them from working in the tractor until an approved person unlocks it. So you can install the new parts all you want, but they won't work until John Deere sends someone out to activate the new parts.
I don't think it's about convincing idiots not be idiots anymore, it's about setting sensible public policy that is going to necessarily intrude upon the civil liberties of parents who buy into the lies and stupidity of the antivaxxer movement
I think it is funny that you think the anti-vaxxers are the stupid people here. I pay attention to the studies out there and what is being found, not what some expert-in-document tells me to believe.
You believe that the non-vaccinated have created the Measles outbreaks, right? Are you aware of the studies, when rarely done, that track down the strain of Measles that was actually being passed around. And that they turn out to be from the vaccine, not wild strains. So the Disney outbreak was actually caused by pro-vaxxers not anti-vaxxers. Other studies being done in Canada are finding the harm caused by vaccines may be as high as 1 out of 10 people. So the safety seems to be not what you were told also.
I would just make it a law that a vaccine shot of antrax and polonium was required by law. Then all the stupid sheeple-vaxxers would be eliminated and we would be left with the smart worthwile people on this planet. And you would dutifully go and get your shot, wouldn't you!
The autism thing is a red herring. I'm not worried about autism, but there are numerous other things that people are noticing about the not-as-safe-as-we-were-told vaccines, their effects and the way they are not recorded accurately. Plus, the outbreaks you love to blame on anti-vaxxers have actually been vaccine strains being spread around. So not only is the efficacy not as good as you thought, but the source is not what you were told. I don't think we can force things on people when they are this little understood.
Try your force and see the counter force. Your pro-vaxxer ways have actually already caused harm. Remember the Disney Measles outbreak? Yep, vaccine strain that caused the outbreak, not wild strain. So you infected people are running around and causing harm to nice clean innocent people. I say if you want to come breath air near me, then I should be able to shoot you in t he face for trying to infect me with your disease. Does that sound reasonable to you, because that is what you are telling me.
Everyone I know who has stopped falling for the BS are actually the more educated among the masses.Or they used to vaccinate all the children until they noticed that all the kids have Diabetes, which does not run in the family. Or another family that has multiple cases of asthma. Stop for the last kid and they are healthy. One even noticed that the last, unvaccinated kid, was way smarter than the others. The safety is not what you are being told. Remember that doctors used to say that smoking was safe. And I would not even consider a doctor to be an expert in the safety of vaccines. Do they experiment and take data, or do they just do what they are taught and told to do? The actual "experts" you are listening to are paid by the vaccine manufacturers to tell you it is safe and effective, and you will die without it. Back in the days of polio, sure people thought it was amazing, and it was. Now it is just a money making scheme and the life savings aspect has been removed, if it ever even existed. Polio cases were going down before vaccination started, so the efficacy in even the best case possible is questionable.
But the large number of vaxxers are causing harm. It has been discovered that many of the outbreaks recently, like the Disney one, are not wild strains. If the vaxxers were not pushing their harm, there would have been no outbreak at all. And the un-vaccinated that got infected there can blame the irresponsible pro-vaxxers and their infected children for putting their children into harms way.
But they don't have a right to endanger other people.
I completely agree. If you get your kid vaccinated, you should have to keep them isolated from the safe and clean population.
Or do you not know about the Measles outbreaks that have been in the news? How the outbreak in Disney was not a wild strain. Or the outbreaks in Alberta, that were traced back to the strain used in the vaccines? So you pro-vaxxers are spreading outbreaks around and blaming innocent people. Do you also like to shame rape victims for being raped!!!
Since I know pro-vaxxers won't do any research on their own, rather relying on the supposed experts to tell you what to believe, here is a link for you. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
The latest studies by actual scientists who care to know if these things are safe are finding that we were lied to about that as well. As many as 1 out of 168 end up with harmful side effects from vaccines. But in the US, less than 1% are reported as vaccine harm or side effects. So it looks safe because you aren't looking. And why would anyone want to look when you are immune from lawsuits anyway.
Oh get over your self. Using hysterical emotional, laden language like "Crank movements" just indicates you're not engaging your brain and actually thinking.
Why did you pick those vaccines? You must be trying to lie to people. Most vaccines given to children are not for life threatening diseases, so choosing one of the few that are life threatening means you are trying to manipulate people with half-truths and mis-information. Try Rotovirus, like a cold. Try chicken pox, where they now say it is soo deadly, but wasn't deadly when I was growing up. Or even Tetanus, which you can get after getting infected with Tetanus. So it is just as effective if given after infection, but we want to force it on everybody, for what reason again? Try all the other things they given to young children that aren't the Polio, Measles, Mumps, etc.
And for your second claim, no the pharmacologists that tests wheather vaccines are safe or not are not he climatologists that make claims about Global Warning.
No, instead we have a pharmacologist that does not even have an understanding of how the vaccine works or what might happen. We have flu vaccines that increase your risk of getting other flu's from other strains. We have vaccine manufacturer's that have been lying about the effectiveness for decades, telling us that the Mumps vaccine is very effective, when in was actually in the 30% range. We have everybody telling us that you must get every vaccine or your life is in danger. Even for things that turn out to be as bad as getting a cold. Or give vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases to newborns. Or vaccines that are just as effective if given after you get infected, rather than before. But. . . your life is in danger. You will die. Sorry, if you can't talk reasonably and with information rather than threats and fear, then I don't believe you.
That, plus vaccines are used for non-medical purposes. We have the hunt for Osama Bin Laden, done by fake vaccine pushers. We also have the old cases of injecting syphilis or other dangerous diseases into certain groups of people just to see what happens. We have a past where trusting the medical professionals is not the wisest of actions.
Now that your son has lifetime immunity for Whooping cough, he still has to get the unnecessary vaccine and risk the harm associated with it every time a booster is needed. That makes total sense to me.
Right, but some of your flu vaccines that you want to push have had effects that would be opposite of desired. Getting a vaccine should never make you more likely to get a flu of another strain. But that has happened. Until you understand how and why, perhaps you should not be pushing experiments onto unsuspecting people and not letting them have a choice in the matter.
Measles is a SERIOUS illness for babies not yet born or to young to be vaccinated.
And chicken pox is just as deadly, right?
And Rotavirus, and Varicella, which is as bad as getting a cold.
Or tetanus, which you can get after getting infected anyway.
Or Hepatitis B, which is a sexually transmitted disease, for children!
And don't forget the Mumps part of MMR has been less than half as effective as they told you it was.
I wonder if the whole anti-vaxx thing would die on the vine if some illness like Measles was running rampant, kids where routinely getting seriously ill, some where hospitalized and even a few died?
Or, I wonder if we would find out that Measles wasn't really as dangerous as we are told. Everyone I know who was old enough to have lived when Measles was a problem says they never knew anyone who died. So you are out of school a couple of weeks with some rashes then it is over. Like Chicken Pox was when I was a kid. But now we are all told how dangerous it is to not be vaccinated for Chicken Pox. Never mind that if you get Shingles as an adult, the fix is the same as if you had been getting the vaccines every 10 years for life. So start now and take it over and over and over, or just wait and take it when needed.
It all sounds like people trying to push an unneeded medical product for more profit.
Your belief in herd immunity when all real world tests have shown it to be a failed theory are interesting. Look at China, where as close to 100% vaccination rates as humanly possible are achieved. With herd immunity being an actual, real thing, rather than a theory that may be true, you would see some effect.
The numbers you give are a form of circular reasoning. They keep the numbers low on purpose to make it look like vaccines are safe. It isn't hard to deny people's claims by making the requisites too onerous. If harm does not appear within hours it will usually be denied as from a vaccine. So saying low numbers is proof of safety is wrong. They are low because harm is almost never admitted to. It is like how the FISA court never denies a warrant. Does that mean they are doing their job or are they just rubber stamping everything. We have records of how the effectiveness of vaccines are not what we are told, so we know they are already lying to us. What makes you think the rate of harm is so true?
Another pro-vaxxer spewing lies to get us to want the poisons. Tetanus, three times over! Do you really beleive that, or do you just use it as a lie to trick the gullible. I have never gotten a tetanus vaccine, I am not dead, even though I should be three times by now. Plus, if you actually know things, you can get the tetanus shot after getting infected. So, get it before for no reason, or get it only after stepping on a rusty nail that gets infected. One way you get extra, unecessary risk of harm from side effects, the other you don't.
And, it's great that th. vaccines worked so well on small-pox and polio. And now we are told that measeles and chicken pox are just as deadly. And 6 months old need vaccines for sexual intercorse. It gets a little bit crazy what they want to push into you.
Try looking to China. They have as close to 100% vaccination as is possible, so if herd immunity was a thing it would demonstrate itself there. On the contrary, they have outbreaks of measles just like the US. So if their evidence of why it is so good to do is verifiably flawed, why should I believe other crap that spews from their mouths. And remember, most of the people telling you it is safe have done no investigation of their own. Taking what a profit driven corporation says as gospel is not the scientific method in my book.
We are essentially protecting these vulnerable populations when we get vaccinations.
Except that herd immunity does not actually work in the real world like in the theory. So go ahead and keep swallowing the BS they feed you. I'm sure it will taste good with the new fertility vaccination they will give you next. Don't want you accidentally having offspring now, do we. Unless you count toward one of the cherished sub-groups of humanity that are allowed to procreate, that is.
Sounds like you are talking about the Herd Immunity believers. Vaccines protect you, so you should get them. But they don't really work that well, so we need everyone to get it so it can protect the people who aren't protected. Even after the theory of Herd Immunity has been shown to not work in the real world. Who believes the lies again?
If vaccines actually worked, then your statement would be complete bull shit. But since they don't work, you want to force me to get something that does not work and has many more side effects and injuries than are recorded. Nice!!!
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Plenty of the parts have DRM on the firmware that prevents them from working in the tractor until an approved person unlocks it. So you can install the new parts all you want, but they won't work until John Deere sends someone out to activate the new parts.
Reading comprehension is strong with this one.
The point is that there may be as many as 100 times the harm from vaccines as are being reported.
I don't think it's about convincing idiots not be idiots anymore, it's about setting sensible public policy that is going to necessarily intrude upon the civil liberties of parents who buy into the lies and stupidity of the antivaxxer movement
I think it is funny that you think the anti-vaxxers are the stupid people here. I pay attention to the studies out there and what is being found, not what some expert-in-document tells me to believe.
You believe that the non-vaccinated have created the Measles outbreaks, right? Are you aware of the studies, when rarely done, that track down the strain of Measles that was actually being passed around. And that they turn out to be from the vaccine, not wild strains. So the Disney outbreak was actually caused by pro-vaxxers not anti-vaxxers. Other studies being done in Canada are finding the harm caused by vaccines may be as high as 1 out of 10 people. So the safety seems to be not what you were told also.
I would just make it a law that a vaccine shot of antrax and polonium was required by law. Then all the stupid sheeple-vaxxers would be eliminated and we would be left with the smart worthwile people on this planet. And you would dutifully go and get your shot, wouldn't you!
The autism thing is a red herring. I'm not worried about autism, but there are numerous other things that people are noticing about the not-as-safe-as-we-were-told vaccines, their effects and the way they are not recorded accurately. Plus, the outbreaks you love to blame on anti-vaxxers have actually been vaccine strains being spread around. So not only is the efficacy not as good as you thought, but the source is not what you were told. I don't think we can force things on people when they are this little understood.
Or you are not looking at all the studies.
Try your force and see the counter force. Your pro-vaxxer ways have actually already caused harm. Remember the Disney Measles outbreak? Yep, vaccine strain that caused the outbreak, not wild strain. So you infected people are running around and causing harm to nice clean innocent people. I say if you want to come breath air near me, then I should be able to shoot you in t he face for trying to infect me with your disease. Does that sound reasonable to you, because that is what you are telling me.
Everyone I know who has stopped falling for the BS are actually the more educated among the masses.Or they used to vaccinate all the children until they noticed that all the kids have Diabetes, which does not run in the family. Or another family that has multiple cases of asthma. Stop for the last kid and they are healthy. One even noticed that the last, unvaccinated kid, was way smarter than the others. The safety is not what you are being told. Remember that doctors used to say that smoking was safe. And I would not even consider a doctor to be an expert in the safety of vaccines. Do they experiment and take data, or do they just do what they are taught and told to do? The actual "experts" you are listening to are paid by the vaccine manufacturers to tell you it is safe and effective, and you will die without it. Back in the days of polio, sure people thought it was amazing, and it was. Now it is just a money making scheme and the life savings aspect has been removed, if it ever even existed. Polio cases were going down before vaccination started, so the efficacy in even the best case possible is questionable.
But the large number of vaxxers are causing harm. It has been discovered that many of the outbreaks recently, like the Disney one, are not wild strains. If the vaxxers were not pushing their harm, there would have been no outbreak at all. And the un-vaccinated that got infected there can blame the irresponsible pro-vaxxers and their infected children for putting their children into harms way.
But they don't have a right to endanger other people.
I completely agree. If you get your kid vaccinated, you should have to keep them isolated from the safe and clean population.
Or do you not know about the Measles outbreaks that have been in the news? How the outbreak in Disney was not a wild strain. Or the outbreaks in Alberta, that were traced back to the strain used in the vaccines? So you pro-vaxxers are spreading outbreaks around and blaming innocent people. Do you also like to shame rape victims for being raped!!!
Since I know pro-vaxxers won't do any research on their own, rather relying on the supposed experts to tell you what to believe, here is a link for you. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
The latest studies by actual scientists who care to know if these things are safe are finding that we were lied to about that as well. As many as 1 out of 168 end up with harmful side effects from vaccines. But in the US, less than 1% are reported as vaccine harm or side effects. So it looks safe because you aren't looking. And why would anyone want to look when you are immune from lawsuits anyway.
Another link for the unbelievers. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
Oh get over your self. Using hysterical emotional, laden language like "Crank movements" just indicates you're not engaging your brain and actually thinking.
Why did you pick those vaccines? You must be trying to lie to people. Most vaccines given to children are not for life threatening diseases, so choosing one of the few that are life threatening means you are trying to manipulate people with half-truths and mis-information. Try Rotovirus, like a cold. Try chicken pox, where they now say it is soo deadly, but wasn't deadly when I was growing up. Or even Tetanus, which you can get after getting infected with Tetanus. So it is just as effective if given after infection, but we want to force it on everybody, for what reason again? Try all the other things they given to young children that aren't the Polio, Measles, Mumps, etc.
And for your second claim, no the pharmacologists that tests wheather vaccines are safe or not are not he climatologists that make claims about Global Warning.
No, instead we have a pharmacologist that does not even have an understanding of how the vaccine works or what might happen. We have flu vaccines that increase your risk of getting other flu's from other strains. We have vaccine manufacturer's that have been lying about the effectiveness for decades, telling us that the Mumps vaccine is very effective, when in was actually in the 30% range. We have everybody telling us that you must get every vaccine or your life is in danger. Even for things that turn out to be as bad as getting a cold. Or give vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases to newborns. Or vaccines that are just as effective if given after you get infected, rather than before. But. . . your life is in danger. You will die. Sorry, if you can't talk reasonably and with information rather than threats and fear, then I don't believe you.
That, plus vaccines are used for non-medical purposes. We have the hunt for Osama Bin Laden, done by fake vaccine pushers. We also have the old cases of injecting syphilis or other dangerous diseases into certain groups of people just to see what happens. We have a past where trusting the medical professionals is not the wisest of actions.
Now that your son has lifetime immunity for Whooping cough, he still has to get the unnecessary vaccine and risk the harm associated with it every time a booster is needed. That makes total sense to me.
Right, but some of your flu vaccines that you want to push have had effects that would be opposite of desired. Getting a vaccine should never make you more likely to get a flu of another strain. But that has happened. Until you understand how and why, perhaps you should not be pushing experiments onto unsuspecting people and not letting them have a choice in the matter.
Measles is a SERIOUS illness for babies not yet born or to young to be vaccinated.
And chicken pox is just as deadly, right?
And Rotavirus, and Varicella, which is as bad as getting a cold.
Or tetanus, which you can get after getting infected anyway.
Or Hepatitis B, which is a sexually transmitted disease, for children!
And don't forget the Mumps part of MMR has been less than half as effective as they told you it was.
I wonder if the whole anti-vaxx thing would die on the vine if some illness like Measles was running rampant, kids where routinely getting seriously ill, some where hospitalized and even a few died?
Or, I wonder if we would find out that Measles wasn't really as dangerous as we are told. Everyone I know who was old enough to have lived when Measles was a problem says they never knew anyone who died. So you are out of school a couple of weeks with some rashes then it is over. Like Chicken Pox was when I was a kid. But now we are all told how dangerous it is to not be vaccinated for Chicken Pox. Never mind that if you get Shingles as an adult, the fix is the same as if you had been getting the vaccines every 10 years for life. So start now and take it over and over and over, or just wait and take it when needed.
It all sounds like people trying to push an unneeded medical product for more profit.
Unless it also helps spread the disease. You do know that you are contagious to others after getting a whooping cough vaccine, right?
Your belief in herd immunity when all real world tests have shown it to be a failed theory are interesting. Look at China, where as close to 100% vaccination rates as humanly possible are achieved. With herd immunity being an actual, real thing, rather than a theory that may be true, you would see some effect.
The numbers you give are a form of circular reasoning. They keep the numbers low on purpose to make it look like vaccines are safe. It isn't hard to deny people's claims by making the requisites too onerous. If harm does not appear within hours it will usually be denied as from a vaccine. So saying low numbers is proof of safety is wrong. They are low because harm is almost never admitted to. It is like how the FISA court never denies a warrant. Does that mean they are doing their job or are they just rubber stamping everything. We have records of how the effectiveness of vaccines are not what we are told, so we know they are already lying to us. What makes you think the rate of harm is so true?
Another pro-vaxxer spewing lies to get us to want the poisons. Tetanus, three times over! Do you really beleive that, or do you just use it as a lie to trick the gullible. I have never gotten a tetanus vaccine, I am not dead, even though I should be three times by now. Plus, if you actually know things, you can get the tetanus shot after getting infected. So, get it before for no reason, or get it only after stepping on a rusty nail that gets infected. One way you get extra, unecessary risk of harm from side effects, the other you don't. And, it's great that th. vaccines worked so well on small-pox and polio. And now we are told that measeles and chicken pox are just as deadly. And 6 months old need vaccines for sexual intercorse. It gets a little bit crazy what they want to push into you.
Try looking to China. They have as close to 100% vaccination as is possible, so if herd immunity was a thing it would demonstrate itself there. On the contrary, they have outbreaks of measles just like the US. So if their evidence of why it is so good to do is verifiably flawed, why should I believe other crap that spews from their mouths. And remember, most of the people telling you it is safe have done no investigation of their own. Taking what a profit driven corporation says as gospel is not the scientific method in my book.
And look up teleportation while you are at it. And warp drive. How stupid can you be to not know that we can teleport to another planet that easily.
Hint, herd immunity is a fiction that has never been demonstrated in the real world.
We are essentially protecting these vulnerable populations when we get vaccinations.
Except that herd immunity does not actually work in the real world like in the theory. So go ahead and keep swallowing the BS they feed you. I'm sure it will taste good with the new fertility vaccination they will give you next. Don't want you accidentally having offspring now, do we. Unless you count toward one of the cherished sub-groups of humanity that are allowed to procreate, that is.
Sounds like you are talking about the Herd Immunity believers. Vaccines protect you, so you should get them. But they don't really work that well, so we need everyone to get it so it can protect the people who aren't protected. Even after the theory of Herd Immunity has been shown to not work in the real world. Who believes the lies again?
If vaccines actually worked, then your statement would be complete bull shit. But since they don't work, you want to force me to get something that does not work and has many more side effects and injuries than are recorded. Nice!!!