I didn't notice this page when I went surfing on the qt site when the whole SCO story blew, so thanks for the link. I totally dig both KDE and QT and am pleased to see the employees themselves have control over Trolltech.
I'd prefer they buy Trolltech and get them the hell out of Canopy group. Then, maybe buy SCO after its stock price falls through the floor to like.02 after investors realize that any hope the company ever had of turning a profit has disapeared in a cloud of angry open-source developers.
If the GPL is held invalid, for whatever reason including patent infrigement, then nobody can use the code without going back to the copyright holder and negotiating a new distribution license. The GPL gives you the right to use code, it does not give you any form of ownership on it.
The only work you own, is the work you do yourself.
Wow, if thats all, excuse me whilst I don't jump up and down in excitement.
Ordinary people don't install their OS. Period.
Calling the graphical desktop in Windows simpler is very debatable-- ask my dad how much fun he has trying to figure out how do things on that 'simple' desktop. Although, I'd agree with "more familiar".
System rescue tools are available in Linux. This is a 100% wrong. You just need to know what they are and how to use them.
Advanced tools are hidden.... please define what you mean by hidden... and why this is an advantage anyways??....
System files are protected from inadvertent change because all users run as Administrator... duh... files are protected by default in Linux because people are expected to run as regular users. Protected files aren't a bad thing, but an advantage???
Anyways.. I can't believe your vague, largely debatable 'advantages' got modded the way they did. Bah, what am I saying..... all pro-Microsoft disinformation seems to be getting +5ed these days on Slashdot.
Of writing the worm? Sheesh... well I can't help your reading skills.
"If you want the version of a.dll, it's all right there." But thanks, you just proved my point.
And btw, a DLL version has nothing to do with a package version. But since you don't seem to understand the difference I'm not surprised my point escaped you. So I'll explain: patches in all modern Linux distributions affect the over-all version of the of the package software. This is why controlling patch levels on Linux is such so much easier than Windows-- controlling the version of a package in Linux means just verifying the rpm database; NOT inspecting each file in the package to see if it is the right version, as your reply suggests.
Still, it's funny you mention DLLs since even Microsoft acknowledges the pain that is DLL Hell. It is also, as a futher footnote, something that Microsoft tries to fix in.NET with the GAC.... too bad it's only for managed apps though. Still, judging from that I'd say even Microsoft thinks your wrong here.
tata.. enjoyed the repartee... have fun checking DLL versions.. lol, and against what... rofl
"They make too much stuff to bother standardizing versionning info"... hey, if you can't drive the bus, get off the road.
Linux: rpm -qa/apt-get etc....
Microsoft: "sorry we can't do that it's too hard"
rofl
And you didn't even address my original post.
The entire internet went down on Saturday but it seems Microsoft bears no blame in your eyes. If that isn't a pure unadulterated example of the arrogance displayed by Microsoft I don't know what is.
If I wrote shit that barfed all over the internet like that, I'd be begging on my knees for forgiveness from my customers-- not giving them the "you're all morons speech". Actually I'd be outta a job.
I think you're the troll here. You should be proud. It's not too often a troll gets +5.
Windows, SQL Server, Exchange, IE. Is that all Microsoft produces?
My criticism was about the lack of STANDARDS... I know a standard is hard thing for an apologist to grasp.. Let me try to explain:
In this case, a standard would define a consistent way to verify the version of ALL Microsoft software.... NOT the latest list of products that have burned the company good.
Here's some fun for you.. Walk up to a machine you don't know and tell me the version of ADO on it.
Either way, Microsoft is still hiding behind obscure applications and procedures. Flame all you want, but I can go to the Redhat site... any Linux site... and immeadiately get a clear list of vulnerabilities applicable to a particular version of that distribution.
Clearly Microsoft has a serious problem communicating the need to apply certain patches.
Of course, it's the customers fault.
When the original story came out I couldn't count the number of posts pointing out that the patch was released a while ago for this problem while totally discounting the fact that most of the world fell prey to it.
Redhat, for instance, boldly displays all the security problems AND patches on a single page for its products.
Want to find a list of needed patches for a Microsoft product? Hope you have a few days for searching the endless volumes of technet or msdn-- hope you find everything.
Want to know the patch level for your Microsoft software? Have fun, it's randomly displayed somewhere in the product... maybe in the about box... maybe just a file version... a company serious about security would have a consistent and documented way for finding the version information of their software.
Actually, another example of XP dialing home without asking for permission happened to me with a digital camera. The first time I plugged it in, zone alarm immeadiately posted a warning that a process was attempting to connect to an IP I didn't recognize (I then resolved it to a MS Windows Update site... I could dig up the ip again if somebody wants it).
Anyways, it downloaded the appropriate driver for the Fuji f401 but I was extremely perplexed about why the OS didn't ask for permission first or even notify that this was happening. I would have missed it without Zone Alarm notifying me of it.
That whole OS leaves with me all kinds of queasy feelings about what it does or doesn't do on the net behind my back.
It's not that tricky: Retrive Windows environment variable into a cygwin bash shell: foo=`cmd/c "echo %dosfoo%"`
Most nt command prompts can be accessed directly from the bash shell. Then if you need access to specific COM objects you just use a little WSH and javascript or, alternatively, active perl to get at them.
Personally I love cygwin. It makes a ton of daily tasks so much more effective and fun.
Like: find . -iname "*.dll" -exec regsvr32/s {} \; Easiest way yet I've found for re-registering COM components in one of the projects I deal with.
We'll see what kind of shell they come up with. Everything Windows previously had was abysmal. But what do you expect from a company whose products seem to be largely administered by teaming hordes of VB gurus who can't handle anything that doesn't have a point and click interface.
"isn't there a control that does that?" or "re-booting should fix that but I don't know why"
Q.Would you consider yourself a Linux advocate now? A.I consider myself an advocate of whatever allows us to achieve our goals most effectively. And today, for us, that certainly is Linux because it's free; it has a good modular design; you can modify it to meet your needs. There is nothing else that can meet our needs like that.
I think we mostly agree, however, I still feel that this is usable as an advocacy piece simply because of the fact he is asserting that Linux is best solution for his company. But, I admit part of the interest I derived from this story was definitely due because of whom the comments were attributed to. Which, addmitedly, is mostly sparkle value.
I personally like hearing stories like this, since they help me in my efforts to promote to my company Linux solutions.
He did in fact say he thinks Linux is a better fit for his company because in his view, it is extremely modular, can be modified to do whatever they need it to do, and it is free.
I think it's safe from that comment that he thinks Linux is good, don't you think?
He also said if Microsoft offered him something that met his needs better than what linux could do, he'd re-consider their products then.
Also, with all the FUD coming from Microsoft these days about Linux, I don't think it's uncalled for to point out that not everyone who comes from there toes the Ballmer line like a Borg drone. Linux is an exceptional fit for solving many problems; reminding people of that is a necessary thing to do since Microsoft is increasingly resorting to below-the-belt tactics to try to slow down its adoption.
If you sing well, you'll only get sued by RIAA for stealing their copyrighted words. If you sing badly you'll still get sued by RIAA, but then your customer will probably sue you as well for emotional duress. Maybe if you just humm the music out-loud... no, thats probably patented somewhere.
Neither is an organization on a budget of: 380,000,000,000 USD
Thats how much the tax payer pays to be protected from terror these days... oh wait, thats just the miltary.. now add another 40,000,000,000+ USD for homeland, factor in the FBI/CIA/NSA etc.. ad-nauseaum.... damn thats getting kinda pricey don't you think? You know, thats quite the protection racket come to think about it.
I wonder if that money was spent trying to *really* help those other poor counties a little that maybe it wouldn't be needed for 'protection'.
Either way, I think spending money on figuring out how to get to other planets is an important task because at the rate we consume resources on this little pebble of a planet we're gonna need to badly soon enough.
"Ralsky acknowledges that his success with spam arose out of a less-than-impressive business background. In 1992, while in the insurance business, he served a 50-day jail term for a charge arising out of the sale of unregistered securities. And in 1994, he was convicted of falsifying documents that defrauded financial institutions in Michigan and Ohio and ordered to pay $74,000 in restitution."
I wonder how rich he'd be if he had to pay for all the bandwidth he's ripped from ISP mailservers.
'Duh' as you say, but you miss the point. Microsoft is falsely presenting Paladium as an ends to a security problem whilst really attempting something a lot more vile remincient of things they have already been convicted of doing.
I'm not interested in having Microsoft dictate to me how I can use my computer or attempt to restrict how I view/use my data/media.
The fact that they might succeed in causing PC manufacturers to produce Palladium-only machines is the significant matter here for me.
Regarding the fining of both parties, my thought leaned towards handling situations where there is disagreement on the content of a transaction. i.e. the receiver refuses to accept something, claiming it wasn't what the auction described. I feel that by placing the burden to resolve the situation on both parties, by using the threat of mutual fines, the system would better ensure quicker resolution of differences. In order to handle your scenario I think this system could be adjusted so that fining for the buyer would only begin once delivery of the item had been confirmed by a shipping company.
I really like your idea of tying the delivery of items to traceable shipping venues-- at the very least registered mail. This wouldn't work well for less tangible transactions, such as those involving 'virtual property' (MMORPGs), but would work well for most transactions on ebay I think.
In the end, what I think ebay needs work a lot harder to discourage the type of fraud this system would help strongly in: obvious fraudulent exchanges for low money.
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Ok.. thats what happens when you rely on a post too much... but I still think that having Canopy as an investor is a bit of an ugly boil.
I didn't notice this page when I went surfing on the qt site when the whole SCO story blew, so thanks for the link. I totally dig both KDE and QT and am pleased to see the employees themselves have control over Trolltech.
I'd prefer they buy Trolltech and get them the hell out of Canopy group. Then, maybe buy SCO after its stock price falls through the floor to like .02 after investors realize that any hope the company ever had of turning a profit has disapeared in a cloud of angry open-source developers.
Rename it to something fuzzy like 'research assistant' and add happy pastel colors, 1000$ please! ... next
Everyone I know still uses office 2000/97 on Windows. These new versions bring nothing new to most users.
Buy Microsoft shares
......
And Intel
And Yahoo
And whatever you do, don't marry that girl
If the GPL is held invalid, for whatever reason including patent infrigement, then nobody can use the code without going back to the copyright holder and negotiating a new distribution license. The GPL gives you the right to use code, it does not give you any form of ownership on it.
The only work you own, is the work you do yourself.
Wow, if thats all, excuse me whilst I don't jump up and down in excitement.
Ordinary people don't install their OS. Period.
Calling the graphical desktop in Windows simpler is very debatable-- ask my dad how much fun he has trying to figure out how do things on that 'simple' desktop. Although, I'd agree with "more familiar".
System rescue tools are available in Linux. This is a 100% wrong. You just need to know what they are and how to use them.
Advanced tools are hidden.... please define what you mean by hidden... and why this is an advantage anyways??....
System files are protected from inadvertent change because all users run as Administrator... duh... files are protected by default in Linux because people are expected to run as regular users. Protected files aren't a bad thing, but an advantage???
Anyways.. I can't believe your vague, largely debatable 'advantages' got modded the way they did. Bah, what am I saying..... all pro-Microsoft disinformation seems to be getting +5ed these days on Slashdot.
Obviously you're just a troll saying stuff to annoy people.
Reminds me of a recent discussion.
Of writing the worm? Sheesh... well I can't help your reading skills.
.dll, it's all right there."
.NET with the GAC .... too bad it's only for managed apps though. Still, judging from that I'd say even Microsoft thinks your wrong here.
"If you want the version of a
But thanks, you just proved my point.
And btw, a DLL version has nothing to do with a package version. But since you don't seem to understand the difference I'm not surprised my point escaped you. So I'll explain: patches in all modern Linux distributions affect the over-all version of the of the package software. This is why controlling patch levels on Linux is such so much easier than Windows-- controlling the version of a package in Linux means just verifying the rpm database; NOT inspecting each file in the package to see if it is the right version, as your reply suggests.
Still, it's funny you mention DLLs since even Microsoft acknowledges the pain that is DLL Hell. It is also, as a futher footnote, something that Microsoft tries to fix in
tata.. enjoyed the repartee... have fun checking DLL versions.. lol, and against what... rofl
You know, I'm having a good laugh here..
... hey, if you can't drive the bus, get off the road.
/apt-get etc....
"They make too much stuff to bother standardizing versionning info"
Linux: rpm -qa
Microsoft: "sorry we can't do that it's too hard"
rofl
And you didn't even address my original post.
The entire internet went down on Saturday but it seems Microsoft bears no blame in your eyes. If that isn't a pure unadulterated example of the arrogance displayed by Microsoft I don't know what is.
If I wrote shit that barfed all over the internet like that, I'd be begging on my knees for forgiveness from my customers-- not giving them the "you're all morons speech". Actually I'd be outta a job.
I think you're the troll here. You should be proud. It's not too often a troll gets +5.
it covers like 4-5 Microsoft products..
Windows, SQL Server, Exchange, IE. Is that all Microsoft produces?
My criticism was about the lack of STANDARDS... I know a standard is hard thing for an apologist to grasp.. Let me try to explain:
In this case, a standard would define a consistent way to verify the version of ALL Microsoft software.... NOT the latest list of products that have burned the company good.
Here's some fun for you.. Walk up to a machine you don't know and tell me the version of ADO on it.
Either way, Microsoft is still hiding behind obscure applications and procedures. Flame all you want, but I can go to the Redhat site... any Linux site... and immeadiately get a clear list of vulnerabilities applicable to a particular version of that distribution.
Clearly Microsoft has a serious problem communicating the need to apply certain patches.
... a company serious about security would have a consistent and documented way for finding the version information of their software.
Of course, it's the customers fault.
When the original story came out I couldn't count the number of posts pointing out that the patch was released a while ago for this problem while totally discounting the fact that most of the world fell prey to it.
Redhat, for instance, boldly displays all the security problems AND patches on a single page for its products.
Want to find a list of needed patches for a Microsoft product? Hope you have a few days for searching the endless volumes of technet or msdn-- hope you find everything.
Want to know the patch level for your Microsoft software? Have fun, it's randomly displayed somewhere in the product... maybe in the about box... maybe just a file version
"Anyone who is serious about NWN should just stick to the windows version like the rest of the serious gamers in the world."
Anybody who was making a serious comment would wait until the release before making a comment about stability.
I personally am seriously looking forward to this release.
Produce crap == crappy sales
Almost all the new music I buy is directly from musicians at their concerts now.
Actually, another example of XP dialing home without asking for permission happened to me with a digital camera. The first time I plugged it in, zone alarm immeadiately posted a warning that a process was attempting to connect to an IP I didn't recognize (I then resolved it to a MS Windows Update site... I could dig up the ip again if somebody wants it).
Anyways, it downloaded the appropriate driver for the Fuji f401 but I was extremely perplexed about why the OS didn't ask for permission first or even notify that this was happening. I would have missed it without Zone Alarm notifying me of it.
That whole OS leaves with me all kinds of queasy feelings about what it does or doesn't do on the net behind my back.
It's not that tricky: /c "echo %dosfoo%"`
/s {} \;
Retrive Windows environment variable into a cygwin bash shell:
foo=`cmd
Most nt command prompts can be accessed directly from the bash shell. Then if you need access to specific COM objects you just use a little WSH and javascript or, alternatively, active perl to get at them.
Personally I love cygwin. It makes a ton of daily tasks so much more effective and fun.
Like: find . -iname "*.dll" -exec regsvr32
Easiest way yet I've found for re-registering COM components in one of the projects I deal with.
We'll see what kind of shell they come up with. Everything Windows previously had was abysmal. But what do you expect from a company whose products seem to be largely administered by teaming hordes of VB gurus who can't handle anything that doesn't have a point and click interface.
"isn't there a control that does that?"
or
"re-booting should fix that but I don't know why"
But I'll keep my current subscription active.
This initiative so soon after the last one, especially since what they got last time was yearly subscriptions, is a little disheartening.
I agree with the other posts saying this request is just too vague and doesn't explain where all the money that was raised last time went to.
Q.Would you consider yourself a Linux advocate now? A.I consider myself an advocate of whatever allows us to achieve our goals most effectively. And today, for us, that certainly is Linux because it's free; it has a good modular design; you can modify it to meet your needs. There is nothing else that can meet our needs like that.
I think we mostly agree, however, I still feel that this is usable as an advocacy piece simply because of the fact he is asserting that Linux is best solution for his company. But, I admit part of the interest I derived from this story was definitely due because of whom the comments were attributed to. Which, addmitedly, is mostly sparkle value.
I personally like hearing stories like this, since they help me in my efforts to promote to my company Linux solutions.
He did in fact say he thinks Linux is a better fit for his company because in his view, it is extremely modular, can be modified to do whatever they need it to do, and it is free.
I think it's safe from that comment that he thinks Linux is good, don't you think?
He also said if Microsoft offered him something that met his needs better than what linux could do, he'd re-consider their products then.
Also, with all the FUD coming from Microsoft these days about Linux, I don't think it's uncalled for to point out that not everyone who comes from there toes the Ballmer line like a Borg drone. Linux is an exceptional fit for solving many problems; reminding people of that is a necessary thing to do since Microsoft is increasingly resorting to below-the-belt tactics to try to slow down its adoption.
If you sing well, you'll only get sued by RIAA for stealing their copyrighted words.
If you sing badly you'll still get sued by RIAA, but then your customer will probably sue you as well for emotional duress.
Maybe if you just humm the music out-loud... no, thats probably patented somewhere.
I'll give you that. I guess I kinda read into your reply a bit. Didn't meant to come accross so hard.
Neither is an organization on a budget of:
380,000,000,000 USD
Thats how much the tax payer pays to be protected from terror these days... oh wait, thats just the miltary.. now add another 40,000,000,000+ USD for homeland, factor in the FBI/CIA/NSA etc.. ad-nauseaum.... damn thats getting kinda pricey don't you think? You know, thats quite the protection racket come to think about it.
I wonder if that money was spent trying to *really* help those other poor counties a little that maybe it wouldn't be needed for 'protection'.
Either way, I think spending money on figuring out how to get to other planets is an important task because at the rate we consume resources on this little pebble of a planet we're gonna need to badly soon enough.
"Ralsky acknowledges that his success with spam arose out of a less-than-impressive business background. In 1992, while in the insurance business, he served a 50-day jail term for a charge arising out of the sale of unregistered securities. And in 1994, he was convicted of falsifying documents that defrauded financial institutions in Michigan and Ohio and ordered to pay $74,000 in restitution."
I wonder how rich he'd be if he had to pay for all the bandwidth he's ripped from ISP mailservers.
Obviously he was speaking generally. Additionally, if he's a network admin, he'd probably test it on one of his test machines eh?
Without the need of Paladium, certainly.
'Duh' as you say, but you miss the point. Microsoft is falsely presenting Paladium as an ends to a security problem whilst really attempting something a lot more vile remincient of things they have already been convicted of doing.
I'm not interested in having Microsoft dictate to me how I can use my computer or attempt to restrict how I view/use my data/media.
The fact that they might succeed in causing PC manufacturers to produce Palladium-only machines is the significant matter here for me.
Indeed, and thanks for the thoughtful comment.
Regarding the fining of both parties, my thought leaned towards handling situations where there is disagreement on the content of a transaction. i.e. the receiver refuses to accept something, claiming it wasn't what the auction described. I feel that by placing the burden to resolve the situation on both parties, by using the threat of mutual fines, the system would better ensure quicker resolution of differences. In order to handle your scenario I think this system could be adjusted so that fining for the buyer would only begin once delivery of the item had been confirmed by a shipping company.
I really like your idea of tying the delivery of items to traceable shipping venues-- at the very least registered mail. This wouldn't work well for less tangible transactions, such as those involving 'virtual property' (MMORPGs), but would work well for most transactions on ebay I think.
In the end, what I think ebay needs work a lot harder to discourage the type of fraud this system would help strongly in: obvious fraudulent exchanges for low money.