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Uh...this is all fine and dandy, but, um...did anyone mention to them that the countries causing the majority of the copyright violations, do not honor these sorts of things? At what point is this peice of paper supposed to make countries known for rampant piracy and copyright violation...stop?
"Here's an example: If a privacy-minded user deposits $20 to get an anonymous library card, she can check out The Terror State without identifying herself. Her account balance is temporarily reduced by $15, and when the library checks the CD back in (in good condition), her balance is restored to its original value."
So she goes in, slaps down a $20, "borrows" a $40 book, and makes a $20 profit.
Again there is a push to attack the P2P application. We hear this more than anything.
So when do we start hearing more about companies moving their attacks to the source of the problem? The movies don't spontaneously appear in P2P search queues. Someone had to take a movie and convert it to a share-able format, and stuff it up on the P2P networks.
If you ask me, that should be the major focus of the industry. BT has legal uses. Either way, all the companies are doing by attacking BT (and any other P2P app) is spraying the flames, not the fire. It's a pointless agenda.
To enjoy a movie these days, we got to put up with all kinds of shyt. As if those damn stickers being on all 3 sides of the case wasn't annoyance enough, now there's a push for this?
Why don't we just start shooting the fking pirates instead of pansy-foot'n around them!?
Fking bastards. Should fking burn every one of them.:(
"Seventh, we need a way to financially support the equipment and people onsite.
What do the rest of you think?"
I think "seventh" is gonna make or break you.
1. Who's going to pick up and move to some centralized location (in this day of computers) without the incentive of money? We're not hippies, we don't live on carma and jane. Who's gonna pay for all the practical needs of yer coding collective? (room and board, food, etc)
2. So you get someone to finance this "shangrala of OpenSource coding"...and...so...it becomes a business...where coding work...gets done for money... Hmm. Code work for profit...hmm...
3. Who's gonna pay, and who controls that pay? lets say you do make this shangrala. So you opt up for companies (who benifit from this stuff) to pay (ie - scam them into "donating")...Fine. But when companies pay, what's their insentive to pay at all? Or pay that much? Company X gave $20, while company Z gave 2-million. Both paid, do both get support? Do both get the code that comes out? Which leads me to comment 4:
4. How do you keep control of what you produce? If you create this coding Shagrala, and put a bunch of people to work coding and testing, who do you send the finished product to? If everyone gets it, why should I pay? If only those who pay get it, then how do you prevent people from just swiping it from you or others? So you start licensing/copyrighting/protecting/etc your work. Now what? What's to stop me from buying your code, then tearing off with it on my own, using your code and giving it to others freely through my products, without them paying?
5. Why the heck do we need a centralized location, in this day and age of computer networking and communications? Why not develope a way for people to do the same thing they would in Shangrala, in their own homes, all over the world? You could run the entire infrastructure out of a cubicle. You don't need a building somewhere, full of chairs and donated computers, running on corporate funds and the stomachs of hippies.
6. I thought the point of open-source was that the whole community could have access and fight problems out together? If you segragate off a few dozen coders in a facist building somewhere in the bowels of North Dakota, where you work for corporations producing a covetted product...how is that still part of the open-source community?
7. This all boils down to one truth: All you folks should have thought about this when ya started, not now. When the whole open-source community bit started up (who knows how many years ago) I can't believe that not even one person said "Gee, this has a big potential to go crazy. We should find a way to organize this crap."
8. Lastly, if you did build this Shangrala of coding, how would you deal with the fact that even the open-source community itself can't agree on one single standard? How many distributions of Linux are out there right now? 4? 7?
If I'm gonna slave away in front of a computer developing some hunk of code, I'd better get some money or money-making credit for it. I don't work for peanuts. "Thanks" and general praise don't put beer in my fridge and steaks on the grill.
If there's only hobby incentive to do this, you ain't get'n much work. Plus, if there's no job to keep, no paycheck riding on my performance, yer going to just get whatever half-arsed crap I put out that works (if it works to begin with).
So for all paid programmers doing work for pay, where's the incentive to do it all for free?
1. I legally buy ALL of my Microsoft products. I don't mind spending $150-200 on Windows, seeing as since it's the bloody OS, it's the single most important peice of software on the whole box, and I'll have it for 2-3 years at least, so it's a worthwhile investment.
2. If I get Microsoft software from work, and it's installed on one of my home machines, that falls under the corporate EULA and my company's policy, because I use it for work-related tasks when at home.
3. Most people who complain about Windows dysfunctions are morons who haven't even read the manuals, tons of help documentation, or EULA. They're also mostly people who just flip out straight off the bat instead of trying to figure out what the problem was in the first place.
4. If you're an idiot, that's not Microsoft's fault.
5. You can keep yer damn English ale! Give me a Bock, a Pils, or a Harp!
The legal document, as an article of text, is yours. Any documents (or other publications/resources) created from the use of Microsoft products, are yours.
The only thing Microsoft owns is the software itself (including the program software, standard templates, standard macros and add-ins, standard-etc.).
If you create a novel, legal agreement, work of art, etc, the content is yours. Microsoft does not have any legal right to this data.
" "Why should I have to sign an agreement?" one audience member demanded to know. "
So that when you pirate it and put it up on the web, they can nail yer wanker butt to the wall.
Okay, this guy (who we'll refrain from calling "a total dumb@ss" for now), signs the usual legal agreement with Apple and receives confidential software, that he then, against contract, distributes to the web.
Apple, with contract in hand, takes this guy to court.
They bring this guy to the full accountability of the court, (which he knew about beforehand).
In an act that I would describe as barely short of weakness, Apple offers this guy a way out of having to pay 500-Grand....
And people have a problem with this?
The guy willingly and directly defied his contract agreement by distributing this software, and Apple rightly came after him. Considering the way in which he broke contract, they should have nailed him to the wall!
It's more of an example to pirates when companies show no mercy!
This guy broke the law. Deliberately. It might be different if he like, had his computer stolen or something. What? Is he claiming that he opened a can of Jesus Christ and was told to put Tiger on the web? Please...
If Apple wants to send a message to software pirates, they shouldn't do it by showing that they give pirates a break. If the full penalty crushes this guy into a sublevel of hobbo that he'll never recover from, so be it. He knew what he was doing. They should lock him away in a deep dark hole for the rest of eternity (or, if yer a darwinist like me, shoot him).
"I wonder how much simulation and testing you need before we feel safe about affecting an entire planet."
Apparently none.
*coughs and points to Earth.
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Uh...this is all fine and dandy, but, um...did anyone mention to them that the countries causing the majority of the copyright violations, do not honor these sorts of things? At what point is this peice of paper supposed to make countries known for rampant piracy and copyright violation...stop?
So the idiots running the servers didn't bother to keep them up-to-date....and thus it's Microsoft's fault?
Sounds to me like another case of user stupidity. If yer not going to take care of things, either don't have them or shut up.
"Here's an example: If a privacy-minded user deposits $20 to get an anonymous library card, she can check out The Terror State without identifying herself. Her account balance is temporarily reduced by $15, and when the library checks the CD back in (in good condition), her balance is restored to its original value."
So she goes in, slaps down a $20, "borrows" a $40 book, and makes a $20 profit.
Again there is a push to attack the P2P application. We hear this more than anything.
So when do we start hearing more about companies moving their attacks to the source of the problem? The movies don't spontaneously appear in P2P search queues. Someone had to take a movie and convert it to a share-able format, and stuff it up on the P2P networks.
If you ask me, that should be the major focus of the industry. BT has legal uses. Either way, all the companies are doing by attacking BT (and any other P2P app) is spraying the flames, not the fire. It's a pointless agenda.
Can you say "porn industry buy-in"?
LOL
This'll be a nice selling point for Linux:
"Linux: Prefered by communist loonatics everywhere!"
I can see it now!
To enjoy a movie these days, we got to put up with all kinds of shyt. As if those damn stickers being on all 3 sides of the case wasn't annoyance enough, now there's a push for this?
:(
Why don't we just start shooting the fking pirates instead of pansy-foot'n around them!?
Fking bastards. Should fking burn every one of them.
There is one catch, however: customers must first file a report on the unscrupulous reseller.'
Okay, fair enough. If Microsoft wants to help users and burn pirates at the same time, more power to'em.
"Seventh, we need a way to financially support the equipment and people onsite.
What do the rest of you think?"
I think "seventh" is gonna make or break you.
1. Who's going to pick up and move to some centralized location (in this day of computers) without the incentive of money? We're not hippies, we don't live on carma and jane. Who's gonna pay for all the practical needs of yer coding collective? (room and board, food, etc)
2. So you get someone to finance this "shangrala of OpenSource coding"...and...so...it becomes a business...where coding work...gets done for money... Hmm. Code work for profit...hmm...
3. Who's gonna pay, and who controls that pay? lets say you do make this shangrala. So you opt up for companies (who benifit from this stuff) to pay (ie - scam them into "donating")...Fine. But when companies pay, what's their insentive to pay at all? Or pay that much? Company X gave $20, while company Z gave 2-million. Both paid, do both get support? Do both get the code that comes out? Which leads me to comment 4:
4. How do you keep control of what you produce? If you create this coding Shagrala, and put a bunch of people to work coding and testing, who do you send the finished product to? If everyone gets it, why should I pay? If only those who pay get it, then how do you prevent people from just swiping it from you or others? So you start licensing/copyrighting/protecting/etc your work. Now what? What's to stop me from buying your code, then tearing off with it on my own, using your code and giving it to others freely through my products, without them paying?
5. Why the heck do we need a centralized location, in this day and age of computer networking and communications? Why not develope a way for people to do the same thing they would in Shangrala, in their own homes, all over the world? You could run the entire infrastructure out of a cubicle. You don't need a building somewhere, full of chairs and donated computers, running on corporate funds and the stomachs of hippies.
6. I thought the point of open-source was that the whole community could have access and fight problems out together? If you segragate off a few dozen coders in a facist building somewhere in the bowels of North Dakota, where you work for corporations producing a covetted product...how is that still part of the open-source community?
7. This all boils down to one truth: All you folks should have thought about this when ya started, not now. When the whole open-source community bit started up (who knows how many years ago) I can't believe that not even one person said "Gee, this has a big potential to go crazy. We should find a way to organize this crap."
8. Lastly, if you did build this Shangrala of coding, how would you deal with the fact that even the open-source community itself can't agree on one single standard? How many distributions of Linux are out there right now? 4? 7?
oy...
If I'm gonna slave away in front of a computer developing some hunk of code, I'd better get some money or money-making credit for it. I don't work for peanuts. "Thanks" and general praise don't put beer in my fridge and steaks on the grill.
If there's only hobby incentive to do this, you ain't get'n much work. Plus, if there's no job to keep, no paycheck riding on my performance, yer going to just get whatever half-arsed crap I put out that works (if it works to begin with).
So for all paid programmers doing work for pay, where's the incentive to do it all for free?
SCREW YOU ADOBE!!!
Those slimey, aged, dusty, low-ball retards, will only screw up everything. This sucks.
Why did Adobe buy Macromedia? Not because they were scared MS would get it...They bought it because they were scared of Macromedia.
1. I legally buy ALL of my Microsoft products. I don't mind spending $150-200 on Windows, seeing as since it's the bloody OS, it's the single most important peice of software on the whole box, and I'll have it for 2-3 years at least, so it's a worthwhile investment.
2. If I get Microsoft software from work, and it's installed on one of my home machines, that falls under the corporate EULA and my company's policy, because I use it for work-related tasks when at home.
3. Most people who complain about Windows dysfunctions are morons who haven't even read the manuals, tons of help documentation, or EULA. They're also mostly people who just flip out straight off the bat instead of trying to figure out what the problem was in the first place.
4. If you're an idiot, that's not Microsoft's fault.
5. You can keep yer damn English ale! Give me a Bock, a Pils, or a Harp!
The legal document, as an article of text, is yours. Any documents (or other publications/resources) created from the use of Microsoft products, are yours.
The only thing Microsoft owns is the software itself (including the program software, standard templates, standard macros and add-ins, standard-etc.).
If you create a novel, legal agreement, work of art, etc, the content is yours. Microsoft does not have any legal right to this data.
Read the EULA.
" "Why should I have to sign an agreement?" one audience member demanded to know. "
So that when you pirate it and put it up on the web, they can nail yer wanker butt to the wall.
Okay, this guy (who we'll refrain from calling "a total dumb@ss" for now), signs the usual legal agreement with Apple and receives confidential software, that he then, against contract, distributes to the web. Apple, with contract in hand, takes this guy to court. They bring this guy to the full accountability of the court, (which he knew about beforehand). In an act that I would describe as barely short of weakness, Apple offers this guy a way out of having to pay 500-Grand. ...
And people have a problem with this?
The guy willingly and directly defied his contract agreement by distributing this software, and Apple rightly came after him. Considering the way in which he broke contract, they should have nailed him to the wall!
It's more of an example to pirates when companies show no mercy!
This guy broke the law. Deliberately. It might be different if he like, had his computer stolen or something. What? Is he claiming that he opened a can of Jesus Christ and was told to put Tiger on the web? Please...
If Apple wants to send a message to software pirates, they shouldn't do it by showing that they give pirates a break. If the full penalty crushes this guy into a sublevel of hobbo that he'll never recover from, so be it. He knew what he was doing. They should lock him away in a deep dark hole for the rest of eternity (or, if yer a darwinist like me, shoot him).
"I wonder how much simulation and testing you need before we feel safe about affecting an entire planet." Apparently none. *coughs and points to Earth.