Come on, what is wrong with a lot of you?!? Sure, at this point in time a minority of users might be using the majority of the pipes. "Tax the heavy downloaders!" you say. Have you forgotten that Microsoft (X-BOX Live and Marketplace), Sony, Apple (HD movies), Joost, Tivo, Netflix, Amazon, etc. etc., all want to push more and more bandwidth intensive apps and uses?? Sure, Joe average may only use 5GB now with occasional YouTube videos. Maybe $15/mo would be good for him. But if the big players have their way, and they will, Joe will be watching, buying, and streaming HD video and games in the near future. 5GB ain't gonna cut it. The ISP's would love to knock everyone up to a "high tier" service that's $100/mo, but that sucks if that's the entry point just because the ISPs have milked this cash cow as long as they could.
ISPs creating tiered service levels is only them trying to prevent the inevitable - that they are being pushed into only providing an on-ramp to the Internet, and that's all. We're in the middle of a revolution in how content will be delivered, this crazy notion of tiered service levels is only going to mess that up. Of course, it will be steamrolled by innovation in the field.
It's like a small town experiencing a population growth, and wanting to turn Main St. into a toll road to discourage new citizens. Tiered pricing isn't designed to make things more fair; it's designed to discourage those at the top end and make those at the bottom end feel like they're getting a good deal.
We're already seeing mobile phone service becoming a commodity, with carriers offering true unlimited service after years of nickel and diming you for each partial minute you use. Are the cell carriers going to start complaining that everyone is actually talking constantly 24/7 and using up their lines? No, they'll build out more infrastructure to meet the demand. Why would the ISPs go the opposite route??
Agreed! I had a SB something-or-other years ago in a gaming PC....it was causing lockups or something. I dunno, it was just buggy. I ended up replacing it with a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz, which was about half what I paid for the SB, and the thing Just Worked. Now, I don't know if I'd even bother with a sound card if I was building a new PC. Onboard sound would probably be good enough for me. Who knew there was still a market for mid-range consumer sound cards anyway?
Ummmm...isn't that the whole point - to TEACH your children responsibility so they would never do those things? That outlier you described - the depressed adolescent teenage daughter.....were her parents involved in her life, did she have a close knit group of friends and family, did they *talk* to each other beginning with an early age?
Children should have a chance to be kids, but it's also up to you to develop them into reasonable human beings. School's not going to do the whole thing, nor are their friends. There's no reason you can't bring a child up to be a Good Person who's not irresponsible.
With all the fear that you live with, do you even bother going outside? It's much safer indoors isolated from the world!
I don't get it....wouldn't the market dictate progress for massive fuel efficiency gains? Do you think if people were honest-to-goodness clamoring for 200mpg alternative vehicles, the companies would already be doing it? I would think there's a much greater reward than $10M that the market would provide. You don't think that if GM or Ford or Honda or Toyota or Joe Garage inventor could come up with a *normal* vehicle that fit cars, trucks, and SUVs, and make it get 100+ mpg, all for a competitive cost (ie, same as or less than our cars are now) that they wouldn't?
The truth is, as much as the idealists would like to think otherwise, price and value are running the show. Fuel efficiency is an added bonus, and as gas gets more expensive this will only increase. Although, I honestly don't see it REALLY making a difference until gas gets $20+/gallon, maybe more. Think about it - it sucks paying $3 a gallon, but we do it because we have to. If it jumped to $5, it would suck even more, but we'd still pay it because hey, most people gotta get to work somehow and that's the only option. Rising gas prices crimp our lifestyles that we've chosen, but at what actual price point does the price of gas and the cost of driving actually truly outweigh the need for your chosen employment? For the majority of people? The automakers, all of them, are only giving the people what they want.
Back on topic, I don't really see this as anything more than a novelty, and a stupid one at that. How much would GM make if tomorrow they released say an Impala priced at the same it is today, but with 200mpg, and where you don't have to change your driving habits or make any radical fueling style changes. You can "fill" it up the same places you can now; i.e., it's not more work for you the consumer. Wouldn't that be worth a heck of a lot more than $10M? You don't think they're already thinking about this?
The point is people want fuel economy and savings, but they don't want to drastically change their lifestyles, rightfully so. I want the insanely high Miles Per Fillup. But I want to pay a comparable price to what today's average "normal" car sells for...a $5-10k premium is too much. I want the ease of being able to refuel it anywhere - I don't want to have to come back to my home base, or only be able to go to certain filling stations. And I want this in any vehicle I choose - be it car, truck, van, SUV, motorcycle, etc. Why does fuel efficiency have to equal econobox? Why can't I have a 200mpg Hummer? This isn't rocket science, and this "prize" isn't going to push the revolution any faster.
We run a.NET shop here, but even I wonder, why not just install Apache on Windows? Errrrr, or why not just go the easy route and put up an Ubuntu LAMP server? Everything I work on is in Windows, but I just don't see the benefit of running PHP on Windows...what does [Microsoft say] the Windows platform offers for PHP that running it on freely available platforms doesn't?
Ugh.....they're basing it on the mess that is the state of Indiana? How does it compare now that the state is at least in sync with the rest of the area instead of the backwards way it was before? As someone who moved from Michigan to Indiana right before they switched, I find it hard to believe these numbers. Any area near the Michigan border (I'm looking at you, South Bend and friends) was a complete mess.
How much money was lost due to having to explain you were on the same time as your clients two miles North part of the year, but you were an hour off another part of the year? How many shipments were wrong, or meetings were missed?
As alarming and disappointing this is, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that porn will *never* be blocked on the Internet in a mandate by the US government. There may be a lot of "think of the children" people yelling, but there's a whole heck of a lot more people who like their smut. The US essentially invented the Internet, as well as the porn industries that built up most of the commercial side of it. It's not going anywhere.
Back in early HS we had a BASIC programming class....it was the only programming class offered and was braindead easy. We've get our work done and then play Quake on the network....but caused some mischief, too.
The PCs were Win95, and one of my friends had a co-op thing where he'd be home while I was in class. I'd send him the IPs of the different workstations in the lab (come to think of it, why were they public IPs?) and he'd WinNuke them from his house. It was great watching the teacher's computer BSOD and she'd have no idea why it was doing what it was doing. As soon as she got it back up and going, it would happen again. We'd do it to some other student's PCs and they'd lose their work, too. Heh.
Also, we had Novell DOS logins to log in to. I made a BASIC program that looked similar to the login, even approximated the Novell red color. I'd load this up to run on startup, and when someone "logged in" it would display random graphics and sounds, making them think they'd broke something.
Sigh....it's sad that things like that today would probably get me expelled or worse....
FFS, so as iTunes movie downloads and streaming HD video become more popular, the solution is for the home consumer to buy business class lines?!? Rather than the friggin' ISPs to actually adapt to increased usage requirements?!?
If I ran a taxi service and started being unable to meet the demand of people wanting transport, would I turn them away or limit how many passengers could ride in my car? Or would I consider adding more cars to my fleet to meet demand?
Granted, and I agree. But back in 1998, wanting to get into software development, I think CS was an appropriate choice. Eh, what do I know though. I've been a computer junkie all my life, and I currently get to/have to wear many IT hats. I've got my comp sci degree, a variety of solid experience, and I feel confident in what I do. As I've gained more experience, I've appreciated more and more what both my schooling taught as well as some of my earlier "real world" experiences showed me. My employers have been and are happy. Ultimately I think a well-rounded education and working experience is the most beneficial anyway. And as for the original GP topic, yes, I do work using MS dev products for my day job, and I've found those tools to be very good. But I also have just as many FOSS tools that I use day to day to complement those as well. Whatever tools are best for the job!
Being that Google had barely been conceived when I was looking at schools circa 1996-97, no, I did not Google it. CS was the degree to get into to do what I wanted to do, and I don't regret it at all. But honestly I felt like the University was purely grooming students to add to it's ranks of research peons. Why does CS theory and practical business technical knowledge have to be mutually exclusive?
And then you get out in the real world where real businesses use MS tools. When I did my degree it was all C++ and Java and Perl and PHP and free Unix-y this and that. I picked up classic ASP and some VB on my own, and once I graduated I had a grudge against my schooling for teaching mostly theory and hardly any practical information. I've grown to realize that a lot of the learning was actually fundamentals, and I'm thankful for that. But there's a TON of stuff in the Real World that uses MS's dev tools, and really - they're very good tools. VS2005/SQLServer2005/IIS6 is something they got right, and students should be exposed to that.
On a more serious note, it's not Google's job (nor should it ever) to filter it's results. This idea is horrible - does this guy even understand how the Internet and search engines work??? Does he expect Google to have one of those "I agree I'm of legal age to view these results" screens? Because those work so well as it is.....
Sure, it's running most of the day, barring closing for some reasons. But I shut my laptop down and take it home with me every day. When I used a desktop, I'd log out each day. But I've never ever ever seen or heard of anyone I know personally to treat normal apps on a computer like they were services, constantly running. I swear, it's a phenomenon only found on Slashdot or something.
I can understand things like virus scanners, or chat clients, or services. Those are things that are supposed to constantly run in the background, monitoring or waiting for something to happen. But media players? Word processors? Graphics programs? Web browsers? Those are all things that have no business or need to run 24/7 for weeks.....they'll all on-demand apps.
Do all of you keep the radio and TV on all the time, too? The shower running so it's ready at any time to jump in?
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Come on, what is wrong with a lot of you?!? Sure, at this point in time a minority of users might be using the majority of the pipes. "Tax the heavy downloaders!" you say. Have you forgotten that Microsoft (X-BOX Live and Marketplace), Sony, Apple (HD movies), Joost, Tivo, Netflix, Amazon, etc. etc., all want to push more and more bandwidth intensive apps and uses?? Sure, Joe average may only use 5GB now with occasional YouTube videos. Maybe $15/mo would be good for him. But if the big players have their way, and they will, Joe will be watching, buying, and streaming HD video and games in the near future. 5GB ain't gonna cut it. The ISP's would love to knock everyone up to a "high tier" service that's $100/mo, but that sucks if that's the entry point just because the ISPs have milked this cash cow as long as they could.
ISPs creating tiered service levels is only them trying to prevent the inevitable - that they are being pushed into only providing an on-ramp to the Internet, and that's all. We're in the middle of a revolution in how content will be delivered, this crazy notion of tiered service levels is only going to mess that up. Of course, it will be steamrolled by innovation in the field.
It's like a small town experiencing a population growth, and wanting to turn Main St. into a toll road to discourage new citizens. Tiered pricing isn't designed to make things more fair; it's designed to discourage those at the top end and make those at the bottom end feel like they're getting a good deal.
We're already seeing mobile phone service becoming a commodity, with carriers offering true unlimited service after years of nickel and diming you for each partial minute you use. Are the cell carriers going to start complaining that everyone is actually talking constantly 24/7 and using up their lines? No, they'll build out more infrastructure to meet the demand. Why would the ISPs go the opposite route??
Agreed! I had a SB something-or-other years ago in a gaming PC....it was causing lockups or something. I dunno, it was just buggy. I ended up replacing it with a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz, which was about half what I paid for the SB, and the thing Just Worked. Now, I don't know if I'd even bother with a sound card if I was building a new PC. Onboard sound would probably be good enough for me. Who knew there was still a market for mid-range consumer sound cards anyway?
Ummmm...isn't that the whole point - to TEACH your children responsibility so they would never do those things? That outlier you described - the depressed adolescent teenage daughter.....were her parents involved in her life, did she have a close knit group of friends and family, did they *talk* to each other beginning with an early age?
Children should have a chance to be kids, but it's also up to you to develop them into reasonable human beings. School's not going to do the whole thing, nor are their friends. There's no reason you can't bring a child up to be a Good Person who's not irresponsible.
With all the fear that you live with, do you even bother going outside? It's much safer indoors isolated from the world!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! It's refreshing to hear some common sense among the pansie whiners that seem to be everywhere these days.
I don't get it....wouldn't the market dictate progress for massive fuel efficiency gains? Do you think if people were honest-to-goodness clamoring for 200mpg alternative vehicles, the companies would already be doing it? I would think there's a much greater reward than $10M that the market would provide. You don't think that if GM or Ford or Honda or Toyota or Joe Garage inventor could come up with a *normal* vehicle that fit cars, trucks, and SUVs, and make it get 100+ mpg, all for a competitive cost (ie, same as or less than our cars are now) that they wouldn't?
The truth is, as much as the idealists would like to think otherwise, price and value are running the show. Fuel efficiency is an added bonus, and as gas gets more expensive this will only increase. Although, I honestly don't see it REALLY making a difference until gas gets $20+/gallon, maybe more. Think about it - it sucks paying $3 a gallon, but we do it because we have to. If it jumped to $5, it would suck even more, but we'd still pay it because hey, most people gotta get to work somehow and that's the only option. Rising gas prices crimp our lifestyles that we've chosen, but at what actual price point does the price of gas and the cost of driving actually truly outweigh the need for your chosen employment? For the majority of people? The automakers, all of them, are only giving the people what they want.
Back on topic, I don't really see this as anything more than a novelty, and a stupid one at that. How much would GM make if tomorrow they released say an Impala priced at the same it is today, but with 200mpg, and where you don't have to change your driving habits or make any radical fueling style changes. You can "fill" it up the same places you can now; i.e., it's not more work for you the consumer. Wouldn't that be worth a heck of a lot more than $10M? You don't think they're already thinking about this?
The point is people want fuel economy and savings, but they don't want to drastically change their lifestyles, rightfully so. I want the insanely high Miles Per Fillup. But I want to pay a comparable price to what today's average "normal" car sells for...a $5-10k premium is too much. I want the ease of being able to refuel it anywhere - I don't want to have to come back to my home base, or only be able to go to certain filling stations. And I want this in any vehicle I choose - be it car, truck, van, SUV, motorcycle, etc. Why does fuel efficiency have to equal econobox? Why can't I have a 200mpg Hummer? This isn't rocket science, and this "prize" isn't going to push the revolution any faster.
to a Hanzo Hattori sword?
I'm pretty sure those are optional? I'm happily using Facebook yet not having it connected to any of my other outside services....
Or just do Buddy Icons and Buddy Info, which as far as I can tell they already do?
We run a .NET shop here, but even I wonder, why not just install Apache on Windows? Errrrr, or why not just go the easy route and put up an Ubuntu LAMP server? Everything I work on is in Windows, but I just don't see the benefit of running PHP on Windows...what does [Microsoft say] the Windows platform offers for PHP that running it on freely available platforms doesn't?
Ugh.....they're basing it on the mess that is the state of Indiana? How does it compare now that the state is at least in sync with the rest of the area instead of the backwards way it was before? As someone who moved from Michigan to Indiana right before they switched, I find it hard to believe these numbers. Any area near the Michigan border (I'm looking at you, South Bend and friends) was a complete mess. How much money was lost due to having to explain you were on the same time as your clients two miles North part of the year, but you were an hour off another part of the year? How many shipments were wrong, or meetings were missed?
Heh, Woz is like George Lucas, milking his one-hit-wonder for all eternity.
How will you get STDs if no one has sex until they're married and monogamous?
It's almost like writing a song and expecting to get paid for recordings of it ad infinitum!
As alarming and disappointing this is, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that porn will *never* be blocked on the Internet in a mandate by the US government. There may be a lot of "think of the children" people yelling, but there's a whole heck of a lot more people who like their smut. The US essentially invented the Internet, as well as the porn industries that built up most of the commercial side of it. It's not going anywhere.
Back in early HS we had a BASIC programming class....it was the only programming class offered and was braindead easy. We've get our work done and then play Quake on the network....but caused some mischief, too.
The PCs were Win95, and one of my friends had a co-op thing where he'd be home while I was in class. I'd send him the IPs of the different workstations in the lab (come to think of it, why were they public IPs?) and he'd WinNuke them from his house. It was great watching the teacher's computer BSOD and she'd have no idea why it was doing what it was doing. As soon as she got it back up and going, it would happen again. We'd do it to some other student's PCs and they'd lose their work, too. Heh.
Also, we had Novell DOS logins to log in to. I made a BASIC program that looked similar to the login, even approximated the Novell red color. I'd load this up to run on startup, and when someone "logged in" it would display random graphics and sounds, making them think they'd broke something.
Sigh....it's sad that things like that today would probably get me expelled or worse....
FFS, so as iTunes movie downloads and streaming HD video become more popular, the solution is for the home consumer to buy business class lines?!? Rather than the friggin' ISPs to actually adapt to increased usage requirements?!?
If I ran a taxi service and started being unable to meet the demand of people wanting transport, would I turn them away or limit how many passengers could ride in my car? Or would I consider adding more cars to my fleet to meet demand?
Would we then get AT&T Microsoft DSL? That would only run on Windows with IE?
Granted, and I agree. But back in 1998, wanting to get into software development, I think CS was an appropriate choice. Eh, what do I know though. I've been a computer junkie all my life, and I currently get to/have to wear many IT hats. I've got my comp sci degree, a variety of solid experience, and I feel confident in what I do. As I've gained more experience, I've appreciated more and more what both my schooling taught as well as some of my earlier "real world" experiences showed me. My employers have been and are happy. Ultimately I think a well-rounded education and working experience is the most beneficial anyway. And as for the original GP topic, yes, I do work using MS dev products for my day job, and I've found those tools to be very good. But I also have just as many FOSS tools that I use day to day to complement those as well. Whatever tools are best for the job!
Live and learn and learn some more. Cheers!
Being that Google had barely been conceived when I was looking at schools circa 1996-97, no, I did not Google it. CS was the degree to get into to do what I wanted to do, and I don't regret it at all. But honestly I felt like the University was purely grooming students to add to it's ranks of research peons. Why does CS theory and practical business technical knowledge have to be mutually exclusive?
And then you get out in the real world where real businesses use MS tools. When I did my degree it was all C++ and Java and Perl and PHP and free Unix-y this and that. I picked up classic ASP and some VB on my own, and once I graduated I had a grudge against my schooling for teaching mostly theory and hardly any practical information. I've grown to realize that a lot of the learning was actually fundamentals, and I'm thankful for that. But there's a TON of stuff in the Real World that uses MS's dev tools, and really - they're very good tools. VS2005/SQLServer2005/IIS6 is something they got right, and students should be exposed to that.
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On a more serious note, it's not Google's job (nor should it ever) to filter it's results. This idea is horrible - does this guy even understand how the Internet and search engines work??? Does he expect Google to have one of those "I agree I'm of legal age to view these results" screens? Because those work so well as it is.....
How the heck am I supposed to find stuff?
Sure, it's running most of the day, barring closing for some reasons. But I shut my laptop down and take it home with me every day. When I used a desktop, I'd log out each day. But I've never ever ever seen or heard of anyone I know personally to treat normal apps on a computer like they were services, constantly running. I swear, it's a phenomenon only found on Slashdot or something.
It just seems wasteful.
I can understand things like virus scanners, or chat clients, or services. Those are things that are supposed to constantly run in the background, monitoring or waiting for something to happen. But media players? Word processors? Graphics programs? Web browsers? Those are all things that have no business or need to run 24/7 for weeks.....they'll all on-demand apps.
Do all of you keep the radio and TV on all the time, too? The shower running so it's ready at any time to jump in?