I would love everything to be open, but I'm realistic... and given a choice between nothing and something between nothing and what I want.. I'll go for the latter.
I'm sure there'll be a church of RMS guy telling us we are enabling evil by settling with the devil or some over-dramatic thing like that.. but that stuff is just background noise now...
I haven't been following this whole thing, but I assume it's going to be closed source. Much as I'd prefer it open (like everything) and am sure it will be a nightmare to get running (and keep running) in my distro of choice (gentoo) I'm cool with just the functionality for now.
Should add to my post.. this is a rare instance of the CBC being on kinda the right side of the war... which is why this is somewhat shocking. I just don't like the methods I guess:(
Thing about that is, I suspect most Canadians would happily do away with the CBC and the CRTC. Both are supposedly for our benefit, but always seem to be working against us.
Lest we forget the outgoing CRTC president griping about how the internet limits the ability for them to force Canadian content down our throats whether we like it or not (which is true, but it shows the mentality the CRTC and CBC take.. don't improve content, improve methods of forcing it on people).
I actually like Java, but swing is still and always has been a terrible user experience. Stuff that should have been fixed in the 90's is still broken (file chooser dialog) and then there's stuff that they seem to have partially implemented then given up on (system tray support).
If they don't use them to sue people, what would be the point of having them.
Not meant as a snarky reply but a legitimate question. Seems the only reason anyone wants patents these days is to use them as legal ammo. I doubt oracle has any interest in collecting license fees. The sole purpose of buying sun seems to be to attack google with their IP... for what purpose I don't know.
Once something becomes widely used and stable, making drastic changes becomes next to impossible.
That's why we went CVS -> SVN -> git. Too many people were using CVS to make the changes made in SVN. Too many people are using SVN now to fix the (very old and oft complained about) problems with SVN.
See also NFS. There are issues with NFS that people have complained about for years.. and they will never be fixed for the same reason.
and gives instant feedback on typing (and deleting).
That sounds like a step backwards to me. Any utility in that is lost when something doesn’t sync up properly. When I hit a key, I want to know it has been sent and received and see the result.. not see the result as my shell predicts it. Maybe I’m just having local echo flashbacks from past telnet experiences.
Everything else sounds really neat though. I don’t jump wifi often enough for re-connecting and re-attaching to screen to be a big deal.. but I can see the utility for those who do.
Yup, pretty much that list, especially that last one.
If an electronics store got a reputation for giving real advice, I think they would do insanely well. No one trusts electronic stores.. and when they do.. they get burnt and never trust them again.
My grandfather went on a quest to buy a new TV last year. He went to futureshop here, and they built a "solution" for him that was completely and totally insane. Luckily while not technically literate, he had the common sense to recognize they were screwing him over. He later showed me the list, I confirmed his suspicions, and helped order one online for him.
For an example of the insanity, he plays tetris on an old NES console. He had asked if there was any way he could still do this. They tried to sell him an hdmi conversion box (on the list there was "for game console" in parenthesis next to it).. to hook it into a TV that had both an unused coax input and unused a/v and composite inputs! I _might_ forgive this as just stupitidy on the part of the employee, except it's known they work on commission.
To contrast this story, we have a local electronics (components) store here called jentronics. I shop there all the time and have referred several people to them. Why? Because the people who work their:
a) know their shit b) go out of their way to help you figure out what you need / recommend alternatives c) don't try to screw you over (infact, they've recommended cheaper alternatives to what I went in there for on more than one occasion) d) you get your stuff right away!
Yes I could get it cheaper at mouser or digikey, and in most cases d doesn't matter.. but a, b, and c are worth a few extra bucks.
There are lots of programmers out there with diverse interests, but tax law seems like the kind of thing you need to pay people to deal with, and as far as I know no one has ponied up the cash.
At the very least, you need to pay people to confirm everything you've done is correct. I don't know where liability would fall if your taxes were incorrect due to a bug in libretax or whatever, but I don't think I'd want to find out;p
That actually seems reasonable enough to me. I mean, one x-ray every 9 months.. probably not bad. Being in the same room with dozens of x-rays a day.. that might cause problems.
I've actually found NCIX to be the slowest.. though I find they have some stuff that neither newegg nor tigerdirect have, so I do order from them occasionally. I do live all the way on the other side of the country however (Nova Scotia) but you'd still think not going over the border would speed things along.
I'm Canadian, but it's the same problem. Getting something shipped from newegg or tigerdirect (and even most Canadian companies!) tends to take a minimum of a week (even with express shipping). Most of the time that's no problem.. but sometimes you need/want something that day.. so you pay the higher price and put up with the annoying pushy sales people.
Also there are things that you do want to play with/look at in person a bit before buying.
Indeed. in my opinion it's insane to think they could continue operating the same way with the prevelance of online shopping. The only way to survive would be to focus on the things they have as an advantage over the online shops.. but none seem to manage that.
I still buy stuff from them occasionally (and from futureshop, which I guess is owned by them or something.. but they compete with each other here?). I live in Canada, which means ordering just about anything is minimum 1 week shipping.. most of the time I can wait, but occasionally I need/want something immediately so I have to pay the higher price and worse put up with the pushy staff.
My dentist once told me that the apron is more for patient peace of mind then any practical purpose these days. Given the nature of how the x-rays are delivered, it would seem a useless measure (hint: they point the thing at your head...).
Most of their customer base never cared. Even when it was plastered on the mainstream news, the average reaction was "well, that was naughty of them".
The relatively small number of us who do care are a tiny blip on their profit statements. Yes, some of us influence big purchasing decisions at our workplaces.. but realistically it doesn't matter to them.
Remember, when the PSN got hacked.. the absolute loudest cry wasn't about personal info getting stolen, it was that the network was down and games wouldn't work. This is Sony's customer base and they know it.
Playstation and music are still very profitable sections of Sony.. and I suspect they will keep right on doing more of what they've been doing. This just sounds like them cutting out some of the less profitable chunks of their business and not Sony getting what _should_ be coming to them.
Sounds like they are going full steam ahead with DRM in PS4 (playstation and music still being profitable (possibly the most profitable) sections of Sony). This just sounds like they are trimming some fat so to speak. Ultimately most of the people who care about DRM are probably pissed off enough with Sony not to buy the PS4 anyway, so there really is no reason for them to get away from it.
Oh, no doubt about that. We lucked out big time. I do think we too would have gone to war if it had come to it, and I think the British knew this, and as you said, they knew what the result would likely be thanks to it being previously demonstrated.
As said in an earlier post though, the result of this history is still visible in current attitudes. You guys fought much harder for your independence, and as such, I think it makes perfect sense that you would be much more protective of rights and much less willing to flex on them.
Oh, didn't mean it like that. Canada definitely lucked out. The timing and politics were perfect. Further, I imagine we too would have gone the war route eventually.
That said, the result of this history is clearly visible in the attitudes we see today. You guys fought much harder for your independence. It makes perfect sense then to be extremely protective of your rights, whereas we are a little more willing to flex when it comes to our rights.
Lucky for us Canadians, when/if this happens.. it's probably going to happen in the US first. You might actually serve as a sacrificial lamb that lets us turn things around.
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People are coming around.. taking linux more seriously and the hard core RMS type fanatics less seriously.
Even within the community, more permissive licenses are becoming popular.. and I've personally seen a mellowing in attitudes.
Yup.
I would love everything to be open, but I'm realistic... and given a choice between nothing and something between nothing and what I want.. I'll go for the latter.
I'm sure there'll be a church of RMS guy telling us we are enabling evil by settling with the devil or some over-dramatic thing like that.. but that stuff is just background noise now...
I would assume left it in?
I haven't been following this whole thing, but I assume it's going to be closed source. Much as I'd prefer it open (like everything) and am sure it will be a nightmare to get running (and keep running) in my distro of choice (gentoo) I'm cool with just the functionality for now.
Should add to my post.. this is a rare instance of the CBC being on kinda the right side of the war... which is why this is somewhat shocking. I just don't like the methods I guess :(
Thing about that is, I suspect most Canadians would happily do away with the CBC and the CRTC. Both are supposedly for our benefit, but always seem to be working against us.
Lest we forget the outgoing CRTC president griping about how the internet limits the ability for them to force Canadian content down our throats whether we like it or not (which is true, but it shows the mentality the CRTC and CBC take .. don't improve content, improve methods of forcing it on people).
I actually like Java, but swing is still and always has been a terrible user experience. Stuff that should have been fixed in the 90's is still broken (file chooser dialog) and then there's stuff that they seem to have partially implemented then given up on (system tray support).
If they don't use them to sue people, what would be the point of having them.
Not meant as a snarky reply but a legitimate question. Seems the only reason anyone wants patents these days is to use them as legal ammo. I doubt oracle has any interest in collecting license fees. The sole purpose of buying sun seems to be to attack google with their IP... for what purpose I don't know.
Yup.
Java is huge in the kind of stuff that doesn't make the news very often.
More importantly, a lot of these systems are so large that "switching to .NET" isn't really a practical option.
Even if all Java development ceased tommorow.. I suspect Java would still be around for a long, long time. Java could become the next COBOL!
Once something becomes widely used and stable, making drastic changes becomes next to impossible.
That's why we went CVS -> SVN -> git. Too many people were using CVS to make the changes made in SVN. Too many people are using SVN now to fix the (very old and oft complained about) problems with SVN.
See also NFS. There are issues with NFS that people have complained about for years.. and they will never be fixed for the same reason.
Hmm, I missed that bit. I assumed there would be a feature to disable it, but didn't realize it would only come on in low latency ..
and gives instant feedback on typing (and deleting).
That sounds like a step backwards to me. Any utility in that is lost when something doesn’t sync up properly. When I hit a key, I want to know it has been sent and received and see the result.. not see the result as my shell predicts it. Maybe I’m just having local echo flashbacks from past telnet experiences.
Everything else sounds really neat though. I don’t jump wifi often enough for re-connecting and re-attaching to screen to be a big deal.. but I can see the utility for those who do.
Yup, pretty much that list, especially that last one.
If an electronics store got a reputation for giving real advice, I think they would do insanely well. No one trusts electronic stores.. and when they do.. they get burnt and never trust them again.
My grandfather went on a quest to buy a new TV last year. He went to futureshop here, and they built a "solution" for him that was completely and totally insane. Luckily while not technically literate, he had the common sense to recognize they were screwing him over. He later showed me the list, I confirmed his suspicions, and helped order one online for him.
For an example of the insanity, he plays tetris on an old NES console. He had asked if there was any way he could still do this. They tried to sell him an hdmi conversion box (on the list there was "for game console" in parenthesis next to it) .. to hook it into a TV that had both an unused coax input and unused a/v and composite inputs! I _might_ forgive this as just stupitidy on the part of the employee, except it's known they work on commission.
To contrast this story, we have a local electronics (components) store here called jentronics. I shop there all the time and have referred several people to them. Why? Because the people who work their:
a) know their shit
b) go out of their way to help you figure out what you need / recommend alternatives
c) don't try to screw you over (infact, they've recommended cheaper alternatives to what I went in there for on more than one occasion)
d) you get your stuff right away!
Yes I could get it cheaper at mouser or digikey, and in most cases d doesn't matter.. but a, b, and c are worth a few extra bucks.
There are lots of programmers out there with diverse interests, but tax law seems like the kind of thing you need to pay people to deal with, and as far as I know no one has ponied up the cash.
At the very least, you need to pay people to confirm everything you've done is correct. I don't know where liability would fall if your taxes were incorrect due to a bug in libretax or whatever, but I don't think I'd want to find out ;p
That actually seems reasonable enough to me. I mean, one x-ray every 9 months.. probably not bad. Being in the same room with dozens of x-rays a day .. that might cause problems.
I've actually found NCIX to be the slowest .. though I find they have some stuff that neither newegg nor tigerdirect have, so I do order from them occasionally. I do live all the way on the other side of the country however (Nova Scotia) but you'd still think not going over the border would speed things along.
I'm Canadian, but it's the same problem. Getting something shipped from newegg or tigerdirect (and even most Canadian companies!) tends to take a minimum of a week (even with express shipping). Most of the time that's no problem.. but sometimes you need/want something that day.. so you pay the higher price and put up with the annoying pushy sales people.
Also there are things that you do want to play with/look at in person a bit before buying.
Indeed. in my opinion it's insane to think they could continue operating the same way with the prevelance of online shopping. The only way to survive would be to focus on the things they have as an advantage over the online shops .. but none seem to manage that.
I still buy stuff from them occasionally (and from futureshop, which I guess is owned by them or something.. but they compete with each other here?). I live in Canada, which means ordering just about anything is minimum 1 week shipping.. most of the time I can wait, but occasionally I need/want something immediately so I have to pay the higher price and worse put up with the pushy staff.
My dentist once told me that the apron is more for patient peace of mind then any practical purpose these days. Given the nature of how the x-rays are delivered, it would seem a useless measure (hint: they point the thing at your head...).
Along these lines, my dentist once told me that the lead apron they have you wear is more for patients peace of mind then necessity.
Most of their customer base never cared. Even when it was plastered on the mainstream news, the average reaction was "well, that was naughty of them".
The relatively small number of us who do care are a tiny blip on their profit statements. Yes, some of us influence big purchasing decisions at our workplaces.. but realistically it doesn't matter to them.
Remember, when the PSN got hacked.. the absolute loudest cry wasn't about personal info getting stolen, it was that the network was down and games wouldn't work. This is Sony's customer base and they know it.
Playstation and music are still very profitable sections of Sony.. and I suspect they will keep right on doing more of what they've been doing. This just sounds like them cutting out some of the less profitable chunks of their business and not Sony getting what _should_ be coming to them.
Sounds like they are going full steam ahead with DRM in PS4 (playstation and music still being profitable (possibly the most profitable) sections of Sony). This just sounds like they are trimming some fat so to speak. Ultimately most of the people who care about DRM are probably pissed off enough with Sony not to buy the PS4 anyway, so there really is no reason for them to get away from it.
Oh, no doubt about that. We lucked out big time. I do think we too would have gone to war if it had come to it, and I think the British knew this, and as you said, they knew what the result would likely be thanks to it being previously demonstrated.
As said in an earlier post though, the result of this history is still visible in current attitudes. You guys fought much harder for your independence, and as such, I think it makes perfect sense that you would be much more protective of rights and much less willing to flex on them.
Oh, didn't mean it like that. Canada definitely lucked out. The timing and politics were perfect. Further, I imagine we too would have gone the war route eventually.
That said, the result of this history is clearly visible in the attitudes we see today. You guys fought much harder for your independence. It makes perfect sense then to be extremely protective of your rights, whereas we are a little more willing to flex when it comes to our rights.
Key words "pretty damn close"...
Lucky for us Canadians, when/if this happens.. it's probably going to happen in the US first. You might actually serve as a sacrificial lamb that lets us turn things around.