and how is this unlike every other revolution? Edison had his own electric company, Ford had his T-Ford for the Industrial Revolution...every revolution has money related to it...
You make valid points but you cite the wrong type of revolution, here. Think more in terms of the printing press. The web was supposed to take that revolution to the next phase, where everyone and no one was responsible for content and ideas. The status quo was: the issues that you will talk about at the water cooler are the issues that we promote in the popular media. The status quo is: more of the same. I mean MORE of the same.
I think my head is firmly up Chomsky's ass; maybe that will help you see where I am coming from.
Regarding the price of the web: Yes, 90% of anything is complete bs. But in order to chase that 90%, everything is being dumbed down to the lowest, most moronic level. My original point stands: I wouldnt want to expose any child of mine[1] to any of that on the theory that you are, in large measure, what you learn, what you are exposed to.
Why dont you put up an interesting page of text and see how fast people start reaching for the back button:-) Have you run a website for any period of time? Have you noticed how the general tone of messages to your webmaster alias are increasingly moronic. Are you never frustrated by the fact that you literally have to replace textual instructions with graphical widgets - not because people cant read, but because they can no longer be bothered to read. Its not expected. Thats the damn problem.
[1] I'm in no danger. Youre in no danger. But so what? Preaching to the choir is just so much mental masturbation.
Everytime I see schools push for internet access, I shudder if only because I know that internet access really means access to the web. What is wrong with the web? Most things. Unfortunately, this margin is too small and my time is too short to go into any detail. I hope and expect other/. curmudgeons to chime in as well. Here's something for starters:
(1) it promotes low attention spans. There is no begining, middle or end on the web. Its just a sea of links that you feel impelled to follow at the expense of following text. You know, reading?
How many of you have bookmark files larger than the text in Moby Dick? What are the chances you are going to satisfy the original premise and revisit 1% of the URLs contained therein so that you can actually read what you didnt have time to read when you orginally bookmarked the URLs?
IMHO, the web is worse than tv for fostering a sense of narrative - a sense which is necessary for the acquisition and application of the same skills required in logical thinking.
Fucking script kiddies are dumber than the generation weaned on music videos. Wait, dumber is bad diction. Ineffecutal is better.
(2) it promotes raw information (most of it absolute drivel) over knowledge. c.f. Slashdot. QED. No offense, slashdot is often brilliant but those times are fewer and farther between. (Hi Trolls! I H O P E I W R O T E T H I S S L O W E N O U G H F O R Y O U S E T O U N D E R S T A N D Y O U R E A L L S U C H F U C K I N G M O R N S.)
(3) The wasted time dimension involved in (1) and (2) is a staggering opportunity loss for the acquisition of real knowledge.
Lets be frank. If you had children, would you rather they spent time in the library, or in front of cathode ray tube talking l33t? No contest as far as I'm concerned.
(4) The complete and utter cooptation of the web by commercial interests. So much for the web as a revolutionary force. Nothing revolutionary in advertising copy.
I could go on but I no longer have the attention span I used to have. Thoughts of Natalie's pert breasts and fullsome warm lips keep intruding.
Now sure, not everyone is going to use it, 25% of that 1% maybe?
NOT EVEN CLOSE!
The accepted statistic amongst web$ster$ is that.01% (1 in a thousand) of surfers to a site will give their credit card to that site for whatever reason including purchase.
In other words, assuming your other estimates are correct, we are looking at 250 subscriptions at 9$ a month.
I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that iCraveTV knows venture capitalists and their money are soon parted. Either that, or a helluva lot of Americans are going to be looking at banners. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
Good move. You should then take a few moments to file a case. You will win because they wont show up in court. The coup de grace is to then get a collection agency in their area to collect @ 99 cents for every dollar:-) Revenge is sweet.
10 I started in BASIC, too and : goto 30 20 any worse for wear! : goto 40 30 I dont seem to be : goto 20 40 REM -- Disistrijka is too hard to spell anyway 50 emd
'[online anonymity] is nothing more than the digital equivalent of putting on a ski mask when you rob a bank.'
Puh-lease. How about, "[online anonymity] is similar to going into a booth when you vote for your country."? Wow , it just doesn't sound so Bad anymore.
Oldest propaganda tool in the book: dehumanize the enemy.
-- lock up your daughters! Geeks wielding napsters on the prowl!
There's a reason why pirate radio stations are pirate. If anyone could broadcast, what are the chances that Milli Vanilli (whatever, you dig) are going to get airplay, aka the marketing muscle necessary to buy your taste and ears?
None. Well, you cant take none to the bank, can you? Better hire some lobbiests, show up on capitol hill with a few hookers, get some favorable laws written.
Hey, the ether is as much mine as yours. It hardly seems fair that you alone should be able to fill it with emr to advance your bottom line. Ether, internet. Same difference.
Make no mistake about it, where napster fails, the recording industry steps in and takes complete control. Game over. Your little internet experiment was interesting while it lasted, its unfortunate it had to be coopted by the recording industry. To paraphrase Lars: it is our *privilege* to buy the shit the recording industry has a *right* to sell at a price we dont agree with.
Whatever.
Maybe the next revolution will end up more favorably.
-- Have given up impersonating the guy impersonating Woston and have resumed waiting for the great leap forward.
The other thing that Lars et al are ignoring is that people are downloading mp3s to listen on demand. Cable and DSL allows that. Lars spoke about 1,000,000+ downloads over the course of a weekend but what he fails to realize is that almost all of those downloads will eventually be wiped from their owners disks in favor of some other jingle or image files or whatever. I mean, its just bits, free electrons, right? At least that appears to be the tacit assumption.
No one is getting their panties in a knot over the fact that Celine Dion was played 10,000,000 times on the radio last week. (Too bad, really.)
Mp3s are hurting radio more than anything else, as far as I can guess. I dont listen to music stations any longer but I do seem to be buying more cds.
Im sorry but any way you cut it, be it from a business or an ethical point of view, mp3s *and* napster justify their own existence. Lars is just going to have to accept this and be grateful that his "loss of control" will translate into something a bit more tangible and bankable. Cry me a river. Oh, and a net gain in my control which is none too shabby either.
The interview has demonstrated that Lars is a poster boy for reactionary thinking. Its a legitimate form of thinking, but its legitimacy is not an exclusive property over other points of view in this matter.
Isnt fair to the company? What's fair to the company? That they embrace their control over yet another communication channel? There already are copyright laws in the books. I should be able to do with my internet connection as I see fit. The consequences of my actions will be mine to deal with alone.
The problem with your position is that you cannot enforce "permission" without violating presumed innocence and imposing draconian restrictions on everyone and their grandmother.
This is about who gets to control the new media and the lucrative possibilites it offers. Nothing more, nothing less. You cant broadcast radio signals; now they want to tell you that you cant broadcast ip.
And, irony of ironies, the issue of control is precisely where Lars' head is at.
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and how is this unlike every other revolution? Edison had his own electric company, Ford had his T-Ford for the Industrial Revolution...every revolution has money related to it...
You make valid points but you cite the wrong type of revolution, here. Think more in terms of the printing press. The web was supposed to take that revolution to the next phase, where everyone and no one was responsible for content
and ideas. The status quo was: the issues that you will talk about at the water cooler are the issues that we promote in the popular media. The status quo is: more of the same. I mean MORE of the same.
I think my head is firmly up Chomsky's ass; maybe that will help you see where I am coming from.
Regarding the price of the web: Yes, 90% of anything is complete bs. But in order to chase that 90%, everything is being dumbed down to the lowest, most moronic level. My original point stands: I wouldnt want to expose any child of mine[1] to any of that on the theory that you are, in large measure, what you learn, what you are exposed to.
Why dont you put up an interesting page of text and see how fast people start reaching for the back button
[1] I'm in no danger. Youre in no danger. But so what? Preaching to the choir is just so much mental masturbation.
Its made a difference for the worse.
/. curmudgeons to chime in as well. Here's something for starters:
Everytime I see schools push for internet access, I shudder if only because I know that internet access really means access to the web. What is wrong with the web? Most things. Unfortunately, this margin is too small and my time is too short to go into any detail. I hope and expect other
(1) it promotes low attention spans. There is no begining, middle or end on the web. Its just a sea of links that you feel impelled to follow at the expense of following text. You know, reading?
How many of you have bookmark files larger than the text in Moby Dick? What are the chances you are going to satisfy the original premise and revisit 1% of the URLs contained therein so that you can actually read what you didnt have time to read when you orginally bookmarked the URLs?
IMHO, the web is worse than tv for fostering a sense of narrative - a sense which is necessary for the acquisition and application of the same skills required in logical thinking.
Fucking script kiddies are dumber than the generation weaned on music videos. Wait, dumber is bad diction. Ineffecutal is better.
(2) it promotes raw information (most of it absolute drivel) over knowledge. c.f. Slashdot. QED. No offense, slashdot is often brilliant but those times are fewer and farther between. (Hi Trolls! I H O P E I W R O T E T H I S S L O W E N O U G H F O R Y O U S E T O U N D E R S T A N D Y O U R E A L L S U C H F U C K I N G M O R N S.)
(3) The wasted time dimension involved in (1) and (2) is a staggering opportunity loss for the acquisition of real knowledge.
Lets be frank. If you had children, would you rather they spent time in the library, or in front of cathode ray tube talking l33t? No contest as far as I'm concerned.
(4) The complete and utter cooptation of the web by commercial interests. So much for the web as a revolutionary force. Nothing revolutionary in advertising copy.
I could go on but I no longer have the attention span I used to have. Thoughts of Natalie's pert breasts and fullsome warm lips keep intruding.
Anyone have a bus ticket?
eelMail, of course. My money's on 14th post.
Don be an idiot. Without cell phones the US would win the war on drugs.
That should be .1%, not .01. .01 is an acceptable level of alcohol while driving but otherwise incorrect in the context above.
Now sure, not everyone is going to use it, 25% of that 1% maybe?
NOT EVEN CLOSE!
The accepted statistic amongst web$ster$ is that
In other words, assuming your other estimates are correct, we are looking at 250 subscriptions at 9$ a month.
I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that iCraveTV knows venture capitalists and their money are soon parted. Either that, or a helluva lot of Americans are going to be looking at banners. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
They're too busy flogging another dead horse.
Secondly, and more of my nit, why are you polluting the TLD
Good one. You are joking, right? I mean polluted is such a strong word to use when referring to a cesspool.
Good move. You should then take a few moments to file a case. You will win because they wont show up in court. The coup de grace is to then get a collection agency in their area to collect @ 99 cents for every dollar :-) Revenge is sweet.
Elmer Fudd. Someone should start
http://members.elmer-fudd-recites-pi.com
and retire in a month.
I liked Seagrams better when they didnt have the holier than thou attitude, when they were simple bootleggers doing runs into prohibition era U.S.
I'm also cheering for the other side every single expo game this year.
10 I started in BASIC, too and : goto 30
20 any worse for wear! : goto 40
30 I dont seem to be : goto 20
40 REM -- Disistrijka is too hard to spell anyway
50 emd
'[online anonymity] is nothing more than the digital equivalent of putting on a ski mask when you rob a bank.'
Puh-lease. How about, "[online anonymity] is similar to going into a booth when you vote for your country."? Wow , it just doesn't sound so Bad anymore.
Oldest propaganda tool in the book: dehumanize the enemy.
-- lock up your daughters! Geeks wielding napsters on the prowl!
Tell it to Donny and Marie and spare us the trite politically correct knee jerk reactions.
Following up on my own post. Someone has to :-)
There's a reason why pirate radio stations are pirate. If anyone could broadcast, what are the chances that Milli Vanilli (whatever, you dig) are going to get airplay, aka the marketing muscle necessary to buy your taste and ears?
None. Well, you cant take none to the bank, can you? Better hire some lobbiests, show up on capitol hill with a few hookers, get some favorable laws written.
Hey, the ether is as much mine as yours. It hardly seems fair that you alone should be able to fill it with emr to advance your bottom line. Ether, internet. Same difference.
Make no mistake about it, where napster fails, the recording industry steps in and takes complete control. Game over. Your little internet experiment was interesting while it lasted, its unfortunate it had to be coopted by the recording industry. To paraphrase Lars: it is our *privilege* to buy the shit the recording industry has a *right* to sell at a price we dont agree with.
Whatever.
Maybe the next revolution will end up more favorably.
-- Have given up impersonating the guy impersonating Woston and have resumed waiting for the great leap forward.
Lossy compression is just part of it.
.)
The other thing that Lars et al are ignoring is that people are downloading mp3s to listen on demand. Cable and DSL allows that. Lars spoke about 1,000,000+ downloads over the course of a weekend but what he fails to realize is that almost all of those downloads will eventually be wiped from their owners disks in favor of some other jingle or image files or whatever. I mean, its just bits, free electrons, right? At least that appears to be the tacit assumption.
No one is getting their panties in a knot over the fact that Celine Dion was played 10,000,000 times on the radio last week. (Too bad, really
Mp3s are hurting radio more than anything else, as far as I can guess. I dont listen to music stations any longer but I do seem to be buying more cds.
Im sorry but any way you cut it, be it from a business or an ethical point of view, mp3s *and* napster justify their own existence. Lars is just going to have to accept this and be grateful that his "loss of control" will translate into something a bit more tangible and bankable. Cry me a river. Oh, and a net gain in my control which is none too shabby either.
The interview has demonstrated that Lars is a poster boy for reactionary thinking. Its a legitimate form of thinking, but its legitimacy is not an exclusive property over other points of view in this matter.
Anyone know if GCC for Alpha has improved much?
Its improving at a pace that generates code that runs twice as fast every 18 months.
The cartoon channel. If they could also deliver a box of Fruit Loops every Saturday morning, I wouldnt have to get out of my pyjamas.
Isnt fair to the company? What's fair to the company? That they embrace their control over yet another communication channel? There already are copyright laws in the books. I should be able to do with my internet connection as I see fit. The consequences of my actions will be mine to deal with alone.
The problem with your position is that you cannot enforce "permission" without violating presumed innocence and imposing draconian restrictions on everyone and their grandmother.
This is about who gets to control the new media and the lucrative possibilites it offers. Nothing more, nothing less. You cant broadcast radio signals; now they want to tell you that you cant broadcast ip.
And, irony of ironies, the issue of control is precisely where Lars' head is at.
The US loves China so much it collectively masturbates to pictures of the Beijing skyline,
Duh. Think about the consequences of selling a single tie to every chinese male. Not that mao pyjamas arent the height of fashion but you dig.
This has been standard operating procedure for American foreign policy since the boxer rebellion.
Oh, and its illegal for Americans to buy cuban cigars which makes it that much harder to become a hacker.
Ha ha, wheee, Get it? Oh well, I slay me if no one else.
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^.*rinkworks.*
ReWriteRule ^.* http://moron.corp.com/polite_message.html [NC,R,L]
huh? Are you saying music and that fashion driven marketing spiel known as popular music are somehow connected?
Good lord! Slashdot-terminal is Michael Copeland!
I call computer. Sorry. Better luck in the next Turing competition!