well, old glory (the american flag) is probably still stuck into the lunar cheeseball, nevertheless. And sorry i lost the (off topic) link, but there was a great nytimes article re: the uncle spam's militarization of outer space.. You can bet the pentagon outspends anyone else to dominate space and assure security of communication/surveillance satellites, regardless of any warm and fuzzy OST.. in fact, there's an arm of the mighty us military called "Space Command".
Using current internet demographics may not be the best way to pick the representatives.
Exactly. So what if today's us citizens can afford to use the 'net much more that the current non-us majority. Think fast: in nine or ten years, more chinese will be online than us citizens are alive. Computer power might be 64 times more affordable in 2010, but *bandwidth* will be 20,000 times more affordable (gilder's law). Take metcalf's law, add a billion users, a twist of currency instability, churn vigorously, and you may well have interdependent extranational communities that self-regulate in partnership with (or even independently of) the nation/state.
Maybe DNS shouldn't represent militant national borders at all: maybe it would be more useful if aligned along linguistic borders with iDNS. What helps us communicate more, fracturing legal jurisdictions, or plain old human language?
Sun's aim is to first achieve ubiquity, and then leverage proprietary advantage
oops! maybe not.. Sun might *not* want to be a nasty bully like Microsoft because that would very bad for Sun's brand name(TM). And of all the hairballed IP complexity SUNW is compelled to manage, Sun's Trademark is the most simple, meaningful and valuable of their (non-human) assets.
Which leads to two points:
b.) The attempt to "own" "open" software standards is seriously risky to Sun's good reputation. Could a smarter risk prove more rewarding? With a reconcieved software "ownership" model, Bill Joy is certainly smart enough invent a way so jini can "make money", and Sun can further its reputation as a company that "gets it".
a.) "Chaordic®" is a registered trademark of the Chaordic Alliance. They might not be policing it, and that might be a Good Thing(TM). Still, it's a most meaningful word, and it's in everyone's best interest *not* to dilute it with improper use. Including Sun's [see b.)]
Richard Gabriel's claim that the SCSL is the legal instrument that creates the "chaord" seems to misrepresent the process so generously outlined by Dee Hock. How so? Well answer this: how did Sun arrive at this legal document? Why does it catch all this flak? Are "all affected parties" included in this week's process to arrive at the democratic principles by which all changes to jini are made? How is "ownership" equitably distributed among all jini/java participants? What or whose purpose does the SCSL serve?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that SUNW is trying to impose centralized top-down command-and-control authority, quite contrary to decentralized chaordic principles. Calling it "chaordic" without qualification adds insult to injury. Answer this: how would Sun react to an analogous misuse of Sun's proprietary trademark? I'd really like an answer.
Still, it's extremely encouraging that a leading software company like Sun is taking inspiration from the chaordic model only partly realized by VISA. Rewards will be great for any company that honestly embraces it. But taking this step half-heartedly while abusing a valuable trademark will fool none but Sun(TM).
A Chaord exists in the phase between CHAos and ORDer. It's any complex, adaptive, self-regulating system capable of constant learning and evolution. Like VISA. Like the Internet. Like Linux. Unlike any "for-stock" corporations.
VISA. ($1.2 trillion in sales last year.) It's an info-age corporation with 30 years experience, growing 20% every year past booms bubbles busts bear bulls. No IPO's, take-overs, buy-outs, trade-outs, shake-outs, raids. Why? It's owned by its members. Shared in "non-transferable rights of participation". Dee Hock, who founded VISA, wanted to extend ownership to merchants and cardholders, but it wasn't possible at the time. Had it been, he believes it would be four times more powerful today.
Key to Visa's success is chaos/organized *open* structure that attracts the by far most valuable (and least used) resource on earth: human ingenuity.
call it "chaorganization". read about it hereherehere
SCSL will have great difficulty enabling any true chaord, because in the end, their "community" is responsible Sun's shareholding owners. Sun's aim is to first achieve ubiquity, and then leverage proprietary advantage. It's a shame, because JINI, especially, seems really cool.
CHAORD is the keyword to the most fruitful integration of "open source" and profitable business in the long run. RHAT missed it. Andover.net missed it. (chaords don't do IPO's) It's shocking that so few.rso/ know what the word means. But hopefully, that will change =P
"the value of a company in the future will be tied to how much value it can offer people on the outside, rather than how much value it can extract from people on the outside. In other words, can companies make it fun, interesting, challenging, and rewarding for people who are not their employees to contribute their time and ideas?"
Huh? Sounds like companies will still need to "extract value" from people on the "outside". Sounds kinda tricky. If a company wants me to contribute time and ideas, it better share some "ownership". How?
example: VISA. ($1.2 trillion in sales last year.) It's an info-age corporation with 30 years experience, growing 20% every year past booms bubbles busts bear bulls. No IPO's, take-overs, buy-outs, trade-outs, shake-outs, raids. Why? It's owned by its members. Shared in "non-transferable rights of participation". Dee Hock, who founded VISA, wanted to extend ownership to merchants and cardholders, but it wasn't possible at the time. Had it been, he believes it would be four times more powerful today.
Key to Visa's success is chaos/organized *open* structure that attracts the by far most valuable (and least used) resource on earth: human ingenuity. call it "chaorganization". read about it hereherehere
sounds like an interesting read.. (if rather daunting.) "The Alphabet versus the Goddess" by Leonard Schlain is another good read.. (maybe more of a historical romp and riff on duality masculine/feminine, yin/yang, left/right, text/image, etc/etc.)..
anyway, the idea of claiming ideas as property is IMO a symptom of a dangerously recalcitrant (stick-in-the-mud) partriarchy, and largely unconscious form of rape, fueled by male fear and greed.. unnecessary delusions, yet so culturally entrenched and *so* costly . There are much smarter alternatives.. the way to implement 'em is evolve money.
I've been working for about five years on a "human language learning exchange" project, which turned into software, which recently turned (partly) into a pending u.s. patent. The basic "method" claimed ain't rocket science, but it did take a lot of error and even more trial to come up with. And trust me, it's really *sucked* working on the chicken side of the egg. I'd prefer not to get screwed in the end. Still, there are so many reasons *not* to file internet software patents, especially as churn churns churn faster:
* if the world wide web or linux were patented, who'd use 'em? free ideas are far more powerful.
* not all jurisdictions recognize the international patents, so they're difficult to enforce on the web.
* it costs a fortune to file, prosecute manage and enforce patents in multiple the jursidictions of the world.
* patent laws discriminate against the poor: those who can't pay up can't legally "protect" innovations. (this ain't a big deal today, but wait 10 years when bandwidth is 60,000 times more plentiful, tripling yearly its reach)
* patent claims set a precedent, thus inviting future patents to attempt to monopolize derivative works.
* patents perpetuate ideals of marketplace "dominance". "partnership" may give rise much more valuable trade.
* patent impose an outdated a "zero sum" game. Learning grows more valuable as more people share it.
* trademarks are a far more "defense worthy", as they identify reputable brand (increasingly valuable as info gluts)
so.. why'd i file? believe me, i been on the fence.. (and sick to the stomach) but finally decided a patent pending might buy some time and keep some options open.. (besides, the thing took forever to write, and *damned* dull it was.. (no wonder the patent office is overwhelmed.. (have you ever read a patent?)))
Anyway, i'm 100% sure that, um.. "my" project should chaorganize and go open source, and aim to host a license selection forum real soon, but here's my question now:
there's been some talk of an Open Source Patent Pool to cross-license w/ the closed stuff.. (are there any "open" patents in this pipeline yet? (any chance at "first post"8P?)).. Anyone have more info?
[btw- IMO, open source patent pooling *might* be an effective "defensive" strategy, but remember the "enemy" has deeeep pockets. Better choose playing field wisely.. the way to outmaneuver *money* is increasingly to outsmart it..]
There is in fact a open-ish member-owned capitalist business that grows 20% annually, past $1.2 thousand billion (trillion) ((no kidding)) in 1998 sales. (IMO RHAT and/. may have a tough time mixing private stock ownership with open source community ethics/compensation models.) Alternative?
VISA has been an info-age corporation for 30 years, now, growing 20% annually past booms bubbles busts bear bulls. No take-overs, buy-outs, trade-outs, shake-outs, raids. How? It's owned by its members. Shared in "non-transferable rights of participation". Dee Hock, who founded it, wanted to extend ownership to merchants and cardholders, but it wasn't possible at the time. Had it been, he believes it would be four times more powerful today.
Key to Visa's success is chaos/organized *open* structure that attracts the by far most valuable (and least used) resource on earth: human ingenuity. Call it "chaorganization". Read about it hereherehere
a.) human writing is not restricted to ascii latin alphabet. b.) bandwidth tripling goes multilingual faster than you think. c.) the Internet is not property of the U.S. Congress.
a.) sure, a billion and a half people study english as lingua franca for biz, but they're not gonna tolerate ascii DNS. They'll route around censorship. (and you imperialist "english-only" drones out there will just have to deal with it.) But lighten up.. learning more language may enrich your life. 8P
b.) Moore's Law is a snail. Deal with it. Microprocessors quadruple performance/price ratio in 3 years. Bandwidth tripling yearly grows 27 times in 3 years. Internetworked, the microprocessors are far more powerful. And cell phones will be Internet devices in what, 5-8 years? People everywhere wanna communicate.
c.) The 'net is churning much faster than Industrial Age Institutions can adapt. Why rely on arms dealin', "peace"-keepin' Uncle Sam to regulate the 'net? Why rely on the authority of any one nation when there are hundreds of 'em? It's time we choose whether our national citizenships in fact preclude us from the right to be active citizens in an interdependent electronic world.
Me? I choose world, brothers and sisters. After all, ecommerce grows 35 times faster than the overall global economy. And the terms seem far more reasonable and responsible. Wealth in this churning world o'bits depends increasingly less on centralized power, coersion, violence, domination and more and more on ingenuity, imagination, cooperation, partnership. Isn't Open Source an prime example? Extrapolate the trend for 10-20 years..
Clearly we need new DNS. IMO the system should support "internet trademarks", thereby fostering *trust* in reputable info sources we use. And trust, reputability, (and verification) aren't concepts unique to the English language or latin character set.
a numeric system would go against a major attraction of the web ie. it's easier to remember names and it's a hassle to use phone books and look up numbers.
the current system won't get too entrenched.. because the dns system is about to evolve to accomodate the fastest growing population of web-users: non-english speakers. (imagine if the net was invented in china, and you had to learn chinese to use it.. wouldn't you want to use a native language version? you wouldn't be alone)
projects like iDNS allow unicode characters in domains: like http://www.idns.org/.. that should add a couple of magnitudes of complexity to an already unmanageable hairball.. fasten your seat belts.. 8P
ps. "IP" is a trademark of Internet Protocol, not intellectual property"
I think its just a matter of time before the more traditional power bases (In this example lawyers) find a chink in the internet armor. Really? Or is it only a matter of time before the complexity of hundreds of languages, conflicting legal systems, variable tax codes, tld authorities, etc etc etc prove completely unmanageable by powers that (for now) be?
No hay ladron que no sea lloron. Que suelten los abogados de andover.net, pa' ense~arles que quiere decir la propriedad! La tercer guerra mundial ya empieza, y se estalla en tu coco!
btw - they already have this story, and they say: "Si WhatsHappening.com gana, que se prepare noticias.com... y CmdrTaco podría pensar sobre barrapunto.com:-O ".. (if whatshappnin.com wins, lookout noticias.com [news.com].. and CmdrTaco could thing about barra [ / ] punto [ . ]:-0 = [ ai, chihuahua! ]
troll me if i'm repetitious, but biz that wants to survive accelerating churn doens't need to re-organize re-assemble or re-engineer.. it needs to *re-conceive*, chaorganize, distribute ownership equitably among all participants, including customers. keywords: ingenuity, (innovation), loyalty, (repeat bizness).
(off topic and unrepentant) - anyone know of a place to rent "solar-powered web-server space"? (Y2K ready!8P) I'd pay a premium to get off the grid. It'd also buy post-industrial bragging rights. Reputation Management! We're talkin' about an exciting business opportunity here:)
Greenstar is uber cool, but not quite for right this. KTAO broadcasts a solar-powered 50,000 watt radio signal from atop a New Mexico mountain, but no backbone connect:/.. I'd try it w/ my DSL at home, but my landlord won't have it:\.. any leads?
My plan exactly. Walk. The US is trying to protect its monopoly on a.) the dollar supreme and b.) a hairball tax code, revenue stream. Are less violent trading routes imaginable?
Bit trading brains-r-us are close to implementing alternative mediums of exchange (see saxas), other possibilities for paying the piper (see taxes) and disciplines that might increase the velocity and value (and reduce the ecological cost) of "money".
Encryption is how currency "borders" are enforced on the Net, thus cryptography is the only way any trading system can protect its turf. Personally, I'd like to see 7 or 8 billion traders exercize that right, using an abundance of free space quantum cryptography:)
"job".. wrong word.. sorry. Today, Hollywood and advertising have a lock on a lot of compromised creative minds, agreed. Tomorrow, broadcasting decentralizes, artists are less compromised. We'll produce better art connecting directly with our audiences. Corporations will "own" us less and less. If we like to advertise, we'll be able to promote services, organizations, systems we actually believe in, and if we're convincing, we'll get paid. So commercial art will become less disgusting, more authentic, and far more effective.
Re: Hollywood.. digital image capture is replacing film, computers are becoming affordable editing bays and the Net a far better distribution channel. So maybe "Hollywood" as we know it has reached its widest market, but artistic storytelling with sound/images hasn't. So don't kid yourself, yourself:) Re: "artist".. obviously, programming software is an ART requiring imaginative creative intuitive intelligent intelligence. So is programming a radio show, editing a publication, or what have you, so long as it cuts out all non-essential noise brings into focus the most meaningful signal. We all realize dreams. That's our "job".
it is wierd he didn't mention much Internet effect. Moore's + Metcalfe's + Gilder's Laws converging suggest that by 2025, any human on earth will have 100 times today's bandwidth enabling 64 zillion (8 billion squared) routes of duplex wireless communication between humans. Censor that! Today, e-commerce grows 35 times faster than the overall global economy. The web grows fastest in languages other than English. Soon, over half the web will be non-English. By 2012 or so, there will be more Chinese on this Internet than U.S.citizens on this planet. Increasingly, MT will get smarter, and will help us all translate, learn, and communicate.
Third Worlders will increasingly gain access to the info wealth of the world, as it more freely distributes. Don't forget Africa. Service contracts will migrate to lower bidders wherever. Taxation will morph into the nattiest of complex hairballs, and be increasingly ignored.
It means is geopolitics will change, much faster than anyone is prepared to deal with. Nations will still control atom trade, food, clothing, housing etc. (until the nano-factories arrive..) But in the Noosphere, encryption will enforce laws and define borders (for trade in bits). Virtual identities will allow multiple citizenships, (and more sanctuary from brute force violence.) Money will be electronic. Nation-State monopolized currencies will lose cache. Ask George Soros.. there will be major currency crisises. Private currencies will innovate faster and grow more useful, trustworthy and valuable. We'll be able to "vote with nano-bucks", supporting transglobal organizations and policies we agree with, ignoring those we don't.
Most important of all, economies built on "law of diminishing returns" and competition for scarce resources will be less productive than so-called "information" economies that grow abundantly "increasing returns" with network effects. The best way to compete will be to cooperate. Dominators like M$ will lose to Partners like Red Hat. Shareholder stock corps like Red Hat will lose to member-owned chaorgs like VISA. Ironically, Capitalism has sown the seeds of its own distruction, but that ain't to say the other "C" word will replace it. What's really dying, thank god, is central "command-and-control" authority.
Freedom ascends, but don't hold your breath for "the Declaration of Independence" to regulate it. As McLuhan says "the new electronic interdependence recreates the world in the image of a global village." Prediction: we'll see a Declaration of Interdependence, and soon.
..and they won't have to cut their ear off and die before getting noticed or paid.
"As information and intelligence become the domain of computers, society will place new value on the one human ability that can't be automated: emotion. Imagination, myth, ritual -- the language of emotion -- will affect everything from our purchasing decisions to how well we work with others.. Ideas like quality, efficiency, and reliability will no longer sell products. In the end, I'll buy a phone because of its color, if that's what moves me."
"Any job that can be measured for productivity probably should be eliminated. The wonderful news about the Network Economy is that it plays right into human strengths. Repetition, sequels, copies, and automation all tend toward the free, while the innovative, original, and imaginative all soar in value"
No offense, folks, but i41 can't wait until this communications revolution can more easily tap the creative potential of non-technical people (like yours flamebaitly true:*).
(off-topic) Triple bandwidth yearly to 2025 means we connect by pipe 100 times fatter than now with any one of 8 billion fellow humans. That's 64,000,000,000,000,000,000 (zillion?) ways to trade ideas and services.. (quantum encrypted?) So, dear RIAA-FTC-WTO-GATT-NAFTA-IMF-SEC-USPTO-FDA-FCC-NSA- ETC-ETC-ETC-ETC,.. Step right on up and regulate this!
Even if Moore's Law were to slam into a wall (highly unlikely) then so what? The next paradigm shift is the *macro*cosm, as our microprocessors *connect*. This "network effect" squares the sum value of our internetworked transistors. Exploding bandwidth frees abundant info to flow between 'em. These further enforce the law of increasing returns (and route around material laws based on diminishing returns (which attempt to enforce artificial scarcity (ie: patent, copyright, closed-source (which makes me smile;)))) So transistors shrink in half every 18 months. Big deal! Optical bandwidth doubles every 12. Wireless doubles every 9. Twice as fast as Moore's Law!
Moore's Law: The power of computer processors doubles every eighteen months Metcalf's Law: The power of the Internet is equal to the square of its nodes. Gilder's Law: Internet bandwidth will triple every year for the next twenty-five years
my best cheat is i was failing.. had to get at least a C on the final exam to fly by night with a D.. one page of this test i had not a single clue.. thirty minutes remaining weren't gonna help me guess.. so i ripped the page out, slow and secret.. and greased, thanks to benefit of doubt.. teacher error.. it was an act of knavery of which i'm kinda proud.
some people learn by rote, others fish.. vice versa, depending on your classroom.. [note - ingenuity *is* useful, and there is evidence that children lose a LOT creative capacity as they grow up, and institutionalized schooling is held as a likely culprit, but that's another story(;]
*I can't think of a single corporate entity that's truly likely to be around ten years from now. I mean, without being bought out, re-named, taken over, acquired, or re-engineered, or moving into a new net-based business model.
Try thinking about VISA. ($1.2 tah-rillion in sales last year.) It's an info-age corporation that's done just fine for 30 years, growing 20% every year past booms bubbles busts bear bulls. No take-overs, buy-outs, trade-outs, shake-outs, raids. Why? How? It's owned by its members. Shared in "non-transferable rights of participation". Dee Hock, who founded it, wanted to extend ownership to merchants and cardholders, but it wasn't possible at the time. Had it been, he believes it would be four times more powerful today.
Key to Visa's success is chaos/organized *open* structure that attracts the by far most valuable (and least used) resource on earth: human ingenuity.
call it "chaorganization". read about it hereherehere
note: http://www.fastcompany.com/online/05/deehock.html link currently/.'d..
"The new electronic interdependence recreates the world in the image of a global village." - Marshall McLuhan
DEC 1999 media effectively convinced most that y2k was hype, and that fear was all there was to be afraid of, so few people stockpiled cash, and Gov't printing presses breathed easy.
JAN 1, 2000 lots of people have hangovers.. few are on elevators or trading creamed corn futures.. there's very few glitches the first week, and media gloats "I told you so."
Then glitches bug out some financial systems in Japan, Brazil, Mexico and several other countries, triggering alarming capital flight and an unusually vicious cycles of international currency speculation. Panic ensues. Half a dozen big national economies melt down by June. While the crisis is 10 times worse than that of Asia '97, Mighty Uncle Sam stands tall, seemingly unaffected by "problems overseas".
Then we find out the U.S. Treasury takes a signifigant hit as "the Fed" opts to bail out huge loser hedge funds. Fear becomes fearsome, causing fearfully fearsome fear. A naive generation of Americans learns something new: Bubbles can burst. Badly.
2003 Every cloud has a silver lining. Investors stop short bets on international currencies, and start long bets on individual companies. (I'll trade ya 2 Ciscos for 3 Intels). Dollars, Yen, Euros become less trusted and seen rather as unnecessarily militaristic and quaintly bureaucratic exchange mediums.
2005 Businesses increasingly chaorganize in international networks, extending ownership not only to "employees", but even to customers (after all, customers provide valuable cash flow and feedback to help design future services) Those who can adapt to changing borders and new metaphors survive. Those who can't watch tv.
2008 Experiments with global community-based demurrage currencies reinforce the revolution. Money stored costs the storer a percentage in negative interest: better invest the cash wisely. Red Hats? Freshmeats? Invested money churns at higher velocity, and certain strains of it evolve to be quite valuable, far moreso that ancient paper. Don't feel like investing on your own? Buy Schwabs, Janus'.. whatever..
2010 Declaration of Interdependence ratified by 44,000,000 netizens in 342 Nations, creating powerful self-regulating electronic trading block sanctioning environmental abuse and rewarding open idea exchanges using web-based "io" protocol.
2012 more Chinese now on Internet than are Americans on Earth.
2013 Jon Katz finally gets the clue that Internet (and polital impact of it) isn't story centered in United States.
Slashdot Mirror
well, old glory (the american flag) is probably still stuck into the lunar cheeseball, nevertheless. And sorry i lost the (off topic) link, but there was a great nytimes article re: the uncle spam's militarization of outer space.. You can bet the pentagon outspends anyone else to dominate space and assure security of communication/surveillance satellites, regardless of any warm and fuzzy OST.. in fact, there's an arm of the mighty us military called "Space Command".
Using current internet demographics may not be the best way to pick the representatives.
Exactly. So what if today's us citizens can afford to use the 'net much more that the current non-us majority. Think fast: in nine or ten years, more chinese will be online than us citizens are alive. Computer power might be 64 times more affordable in 2010, but *bandwidth* will be 20,000 times more affordable (gilder's law). Take metcalf's law, add a billion users, a twist of currency instability, churn vigorously, and you may well have interdependent extranational communities that self-regulate in partnership with (or even independently of) the nation/state.
Maybe DNS shouldn't represent militant national borders at all: maybe it would be more useful if aligned along linguistic borders with iDNS. What helps us communicate more, fracturing legal jurisdictions, or plain old human language?
Sun's aim is to first achieve ubiquity, and then leverage proprietary advantage
oops! maybe not.. Sun might *not* want to be a nasty bully like Microsoft because that would very bad for Sun's brand name(TM). And of all the hairballed IP complexity SUNW is compelled to manage, Sun's Trademark is the most simple, meaningful and valuable of their (non-human) assets.
Which leads to two points:
b.) The attempt to "own" "open" software standards is seriously risky to Sun's good reputation. Could a smarter risk prove more rewarding? With a reconcieved software "ownership" model, Bill Joy is certainly smart enough invent a way so jini can "make money", and Sun can further its reputation as a company that "gets it".
a.) "Chaordic®" is a registered trademark of the Chaordic Alliance. They might not be policing it, and that might be a Good Thing(TM). Still, it's a most meaningful word, and it's in everyone's best interest *not* to dilute it with improper use. Including Sun's [see b.)]
Richard Gabriel's claim that the SCSL is the legal instrument that creates the "chaord" seems to misrepresent the process so generously outlined by Dee Hock. How so? Well answer this: how did Sun arrive at this legal document? Why does it catch all this flak? Are "all affected parties" included in this week's process to arrive at the democratic principles by which all changes to jini are made? How is "ownership" equitably distributed among all jini/java participants? What or whose purpose does the SCSL serve?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that SUNW is trying to impose centralized top-down command-and-control authority, quite contrary to decentralized chaordic principles. Calling it "chaordic" without qualification adds insult to injury. Answer this: how would Sun react to an analogous misuse of Sun's proprietary trademark? I'd really like an answer.
Still, it's extremely encouraging that a leading software company like Sun is taking inspiration from the chaordic model only partly realized by VISA. Rewards will be great for any company that honestly embraces it. But taking this step half-heartedly while abusing a valuable trademark will fool none but Sun(TM).
CHAORD = pleasant B.S.? Please...
.rso/ know what the word means. But hopefully, that will change =P
A Chaord exists in the phase between CHAos and ORDer. It's any complex, adaptive, self-regulating system capable of constant learning and evolution. Like VISA. Like the Internet. Like Linux. Unlike any "for-stock" corporations.
Allow me to repeat:
VISA. ($1.2 trillion in sales last year.) It's an info-age corporation with 30 years experience, growing 20% every year past booms bubbles busts bear bulls. No IPO's, take-overs, buy-outs, trade-outs, shake-outs, raids. Why? It's owned by its members. Shared in "non-transferable rights of participation". Dee Hock, who founded VISA, wanted to extend ownership to merchants and cardholders, but it wasn't possible at the time. Had it been, he believes it would be four times more powerful today.
Key to Visa's success is chaos/organized *open* structure that attracts the by far most valuable (and least used) resource on earth: human ingenuity.
call it "chaorganization". read about it here here here
SCSL will have great difficulty enabling any true chaord, because in the end, their "community" is responsible Sun's shareholding owners. Sun's aim is to first achieve ubiquity, and then leverage proprietary advantage. It's a shame, because JINI, especially, seems really cool.
CHAORD is the keyword to the most fruitful integration of "open source" and profitable business in the long run. RHAT missed it. Andover.net missed it. (chaords don't do IPO's) It's shocking that so few
"the value of a company in the future will be tied to how much value it can offer people on the outside, rather than how much value it can extract from people on the outside. In other words, can companies make it fun, interesting, challenging, and rewarding for people who are not their employees to contribute their time and ideas?"
Huh? Sounds like companies will still need to "extract value" from people on the "outside". Sounds kinda tricky. If a company wants me to contribute time and ideas, it better share some "ownership". How?
example: VISA. ($1.2 trillion in sales last year.) It's an info-age corporation with 30 years experience, growing 20% every year past booms bubbles busts bear bulls. No IPO's, take-overs, buy-outs, trade-outs, shake-outs, raids. Why? It's owned by its members. Shared in "non-transferable rights of participation". Dee Hock, who founded VISA, wanted to extend ownership to merchants and cardholders, but it wasn't possible at the time. Had it been, he believes it would be four times more powerful today.
Key to Visa's success is chaos/organized *open* structure that attracts the by far most valuable (and least used) resource on earth: human ingenuity. call it "chaorganization". read about it here here here
sounds like an interesting read.. (if rather daunting.) "The Alphabet versus the Goddess" by Leonard Schlain is another good read.. (maybe more of a historical romp and riff on duality masculine/feminine, yin/yang, left/right, text/image, etc/etc.)..
anyway, the idea of claiming ideas as property is IMO a symptom of a dangerously recalcitrant (stick-in-the-mud) partriarchy, and largely unconscious form of rape, fueled by male fear and greed.. unnecessary delusions, yet so culturally entrenched and *so* costly . There are much smarter alternatives.. the way to implement 'em is evolve money.
I've been working for about five years on a "human language learning exchange" project, which turned into software, which recently turned (partly) into a pending u.s. patent. The basic "method" claimed ain't rocket science, but it did take a lot of error and even more trial to come up with. And trust me, it's really *sucked* working on the chicken side of the egg. I'd prefer not to get screwed in the end. Still, there are so many reasons *not* to file internet software patents, especially as churn churns churn faster:
* if the world wide web or linux were patented, who'd use 'em? free ideas are far more powerful.
* patents perpetuate outdated economic models, imposing artificial scarcity upon abundant bits.
* the Internet is transforming human societies much faster than local laws or terrestrial governments can adapt.
* (in fact, we might experience widespread institutional failure and soon.)
* not all jurisdictions recognize the international patents, so they're difficult to enforce on the web.
* it costs a fortune to file, prosecute manage and enforce patents in multiple the jursidictions of the world.
* patent laws discriminate against the poor: those who can't pay up can't legally "protect" innovations. (this ain't a big deal today, but wait 10 years when bandwidth is 60,000 times more plentiful, tripling yearly its reach)
* patent claims set a precedent, thus inviting future patents to attempt to monopolize derivative works.
* patents perpetuate ideals of marketplace "dominance". "partnership" may give rise much more valuable trade.
* patent impose an outdated a "zero sum" game. Learning grows more valuable as more people share it.
* trademarks are a far more "defense worthy", as they identify reputable brand (increasingly valuable as info gluts)
so.. why'd i file? believe me, i been on the fence.. (and sick to the stomach) but finally decided a patent pending might buy some time and keep some options open.. (besides, the thing took forever to write, and *damned* dull it was.. (no wonder the patent office is overwhelmed.. (have you ever read a patent?)))
Anyway, i'm 100% sure that, um.. "my" project should chaorganize and go open source, and aim to host a license selection forum real soon, but here's my question now:
there's been some talk of an Open Source Patent Pool to cross-license w/ the closed stuff.. (are there any "open" patents in this pipeline yet? (any chance at "first post"8P?)).. Anyone have more info?
[btw- IMO, open source patent pooling *might* be an effective "defensive" strategy, but remember the "enemy" has deeeep pockets. Better choose playing field wisely.. the way to outmaneuver *money* is increasingly to outsmart it..]
There is in fact a open-ish member-owned capitalist business that grows 20% annually, past $1.2 thousand billion (trillion) ((no kidding)) in 1998 sales. (IMO RHAT and
VISA has been an info-age corporation for 30 years, now, growing 20% annually past booms bubbles busts bear bulls. No take-overs, buy-outs, trade-outs, shake-outs, raids. How? It's owned by its members. Shared in "non-transferable rights of participation". Dee Hock, who founded it, wanted to extend ownership to merchants and cardholders, but it wasn't possible at the time. Had it been, he believes it would be four times more powerful today.
Key to Visa's success is chaos/organized *open* structure that attracts the by far most valuable (and least used) resource on earth: human ingenuity. Call it "chaorganization". Read about it here here here
a.) human writing is not restricted to ascii latin alphabet.
b.) bandwidth tripling goes multilingual faster than you think.
c.) the Internet is not property of the U.S. Congress.
a.) sure, a billion and a half people study english as lingua franca for biz, but they're not gonna tolerate ascii DNS. They'll route around censorship. (and you imperialist "english-only" drones out there will just have to deal with it.) But lighten up.. learning more language may enrich your life. 8P
b.) Moore's Law is a snail. Deal with it. Microprocessors quadruple performance/price ratio in 3 years. Bandwidth tripling yearly grows 27 times in 3 years. Internetworked, the microprocessors are far more powerful. And cell phones will be Internet devices in what, 5-8 years? People everywhere wanna communicate.
c.) The 'net is churning much faster than Industrial Age Institutions can adapt. Why rely on arms dealin', "peace"-keepin' Uncle Sam to regulate the 'net? Why rely on the authority of any one nation when there are hundreds of 'em? It's time we choose whether our national citizenships in fact preclude us from the right to be active citizens in an interdependent electronic world.
Me? I choose world, brothers and sisters. After all, ecommerce grows 35 times faster than the overall global economy. And the terms seem far more reasonable and responsible. Wealth in this churning world o'bits depends increasingly less on centralized power, coersion, violence, domination and more and more on ingenuity, imagination, cooperation, partnership. Isn't Open Source an prime example? Extrapolate the trend for 10-20 years..
Clearly we need new DNS. IMO the system should support "internet trademarks", thereby fostering *trust* in reputable info sources we use. And trust, reputability, (and verification) aren't concepts unique to the English language or latin character set.
English usage is actually on the decline worldwide.
can you support that with reference, please?
Here's a claim that there are up to a 1.5 billion people using English. (350 mil native, 300 ESL, the rest learning.)
a numeric system would go against a major attraction of the web ie. it's easier to remember names and it's a hassle to use phone books and look up numbers.
.. that should add a couple of magnitudes of complexity to an already unmanageable hairball.. fasten your seat belts.. 8P
the current system won't get too entrenched.. because the dns system is about to evolve to accomodate the fastest growing population of web-users: non-english speakers. (imagine if the net was invented in china, and you had to learn chinese to use it.. wouldn't you want to use a native language version? you wouldn't be alone)
projects like iDNS allow unicode characters in domains: like http://www.idns.org/
ps. "IP" is a trademark of Internet Protocol, not intellectual property"
I think its just a matter of time before the more traditional power bases (In this example lawyers) find a chink in the internet armor. Really? Or is it only a matter of time before the complexity of hundreds of languages, conflicting legal systems, variable tax codes, tld authorities, etc etc etc prove completely unmanageable by powers that (for now) be?
No hay ladron que no sea lloron. Que suelten los abogados de andover.net, pa' ense~arles que quiere decir la propriedad! La tercer guerra mundial ya empieza, y se estalla en tu coco!
:-O ".. (if whatshappnin.com wins, lookout noticias.com [news.com].. and CmdrTaco could thing about barra [ / ] punto [ . ] :-0 = [ ai, chihuahua! ]
btw - they already have this story, and they say: "Si WhatsHappening.com gana, que se prepare noticias.com... y CmdrTaco podría pensar sobre barrapunto.com
muerte a la bablefish! que vive el aprendizaje!
Carai! Que la /. ya tiene.. o ya tenia, pues.. que le paso a la barrapunto?
(there was a Slash en espanol.. where'd it go?)
troll me if i'm repetitious, but biz that wants to survive accelerating churn doens't need to re-organize re-assemble or re-engineer.. it needs to *re-conceive*, chaorganize , distribute ownership equitably among all participants, including customers. keywords: ingenuity, (innovation), loyalty, (repeat bizness).
(off topic and unrepentant) - anyone know of a place to rent "solar-powered web-server space"? (Y2K ready!8P) I'd pay a premium to get off the grid. It'd also buy post-industrial bragging rights. Reputation Management! We're talkin' about an exciting business opportunity here:)
Greenstar is uber cool, but not quite for right this. KTAO broadcasts a solar-powered 50,000 watt radio signal from atop a New Mexico mountain, but no backbone connect:/.. I'd try it w/ my DSL at home, but my landlord won't have it:\.. any leads?
My plan exactly. Walk. The US is trying to protect its monopoly on a.) the dollar supreme and b.) a hairball tax code, revenue stream. Are less violent trading routes imaginable?
:)
Bit trading brains-r-us are close to implementing alternative mediums of exchange (see saxas), other possibilities for paying the piper (see taxes) and disciplines that might increase the velocity and value (and reduce the ecological cost) of "money".
Encryption is how currency "borders" are enforced on the Net, thus cryptography is the only way any trading system can protect its turf. Personally, I'd like to see 7 or 8 billion traders exercize that right, using an abundance of free space quantum cryptography
"job".. wrong word.. sorry. Today, Hollywood and advertising have a lock on a lot of compromised creative minds, agreed. Tomorrow, broadcasting decentralizes, artists are less compromised. We'll produce better art connecting directly with our audiences. Corporations will "own" us less and less. If we like to advertise, we'll be able to promote services, organizations, systems we actually believe in, and if we're convincing, we'll get paid. So commercial art will become less disgusting, more authentic, and far more effective.
:) Re: "artist".. obviously, programming software is an ART requiring imaginative creative intuitive intelligent intelligence. So is programming a radio show, editing a publication, or what have you, so long as it cuts out all non-essential noise brings into focus the most meaningful signal. We all realize dreams. That's our "job".
Re: Hollywood.. digital image capture is replacing film, computers are becoming affordable editing bays and the Net a far better distribution channel. So maybe "Hollywood" as we know it has reached its widest market, but artistic storytelling with sound/images hasn't. So don't kid yourself, yourself
it is wierd he didn't mention much Internet effect. Moore's + Metcalfe's + Gilder's Laws converging suggest that by 2025, any human on earth will have 100 times today's bandwidth enabling 64 zillion (8 billion squared) routes of duplex wireless communication between humans. Censor that! Today, e-commerce grows 35 times faster than the overall global economy. The web grows fastest in languages other than English. Soon, over half the web will be non-English. By 2012 or so, there will be more Chinese on this Internet than U.S.citizens on this planet. Increasingly, MT will get smarter, and will help us all translate, learn, and communicate.
Third Worlders will increasingly gain access to the info wealth of the world, as it more freely distributes. Don't forget Africa. Service contracts will migrate to lower bidders wherever. Taxation will morph into the nattiest of complex hairballs, and be increasingly ignored.
It means is geopolitics will change, much faster than anyone is prepared to deal with. Nations will still control atom trade, food, clothing, housing etc. (until the nano-factories arrive..) But in the Noosphere, encryption will enforce laws and define borders (for trade in bits). Virtual identities will allow multiple citizenships, (and more sanctuary from brute force violence.) Money will be electronic. Nation-State monopolized currencies will lose cache. Ask George Soros.. there will be major currency crisises. Private currencies will innovate faster and grow more useful, trustworthy and valuable. We'll be able to "vote with nano-bucks", supporting transglobal organizations and policies we agree with, ignoring those we don't.
Most important of all, economies built on "law of diminishing returns" and competition for scarce resources will be less productive than so-called "information" economies that grow abundantly "increasing returns" with network effects. The best way to compete will be to cooperate. Dominators like M$ will lose to Partners like Red Hat. Shareholder stock corps like Red Hat will lose to member-owned chaorgs like VISA. Ironically, Capitalism has sown the seeds of its own distruction, but that ain't to say the other "C" word will replace it. What's really dying, thank god, is central "command-and-control" authority.
Freedom ascends, but don't hold your breath for "the Declaration of Independence" to regulate it. As McLuhan says "the new electronic interdependence recreates the world in the image of a global village." Prediction: we'll see a Declaration of Interdependence, and soon.
..and they won't have to cut their ear off and die before getting noticed or paid.
"As information and intelligence become the domain of computers, society will place new value on the one human ability that can't be automated: emotion. Imagination, myth, ritual -- the language of emotion -- will affect everything from our purchasing decisions to how well we work with others.. Ideas like quality, efficiency, and reliability will no longer sell products. In the end, I'll buy a phone because of its color, if that's what moves me."
"Any job that can be measured for productivity probably should be eliminated. The wonderful news about the Network Economy is that it plays right into human strengths. Repetition, sequels, copies, and automation all tend toward the free, while the innovative, original, and imaginative all soar in value"
No offense, folks, but i41 can't wait until this communications revolution can more easily tap the creative potential of non-technical people (like yours flamebaitly true:*).
(off-topic) Triple bandwidth yearly to 2025 means we connect by pipe 100 times fatter than now with any one of 8 billion fellow humans. That's 64,000,000,000,000,000,000 (zillion?) ways to trade ideas and services.. (quantum encrypted?) So, dear RIAA-FTC-WTO-GATT-NAFTA-IMF-SEC-USPTO-FDA-FCC-NSA- ETC-ETC-ETC-ETC,.. Step right on up and regulate this!
Even if Moore's Law were to slam into a wall (highly unlikely) then so what? The next paradigm shift is the *macro*cosm, as our microprocessors *connect*. This "network effect" squares the sum value of our internetworked transistors. Exploding bandwidth frees abundant info to flow between 'em. These further enforce the law of increasing returns (and route around material laws based on diminishing returns (which attempt to enforce artificial scarcity (ie: patent, copyright, closed-source (which makes me smile;)))) So transistors shrink in half every 18 months. Big deal! Optical bandwidth doubles every 12. Wireless doubles every 9. Twice as fast as Moore's Law!
Moore's Law: The power of computer processors doubles every eighteen months
Metcalf's Law: The power of the Internet is equal to the square of its nodes.
Gilder's Law: Internet bandwidth will triple every year for the next twenty-five years
Anyone care to do the math?
my best cheat is i was failing.. had to get at least a C on the final exam to fly by night with a D.. one page of this test i had not a single clue.. thirty minutes remaining weren't gonna help me guess.. so i ripped the page out, slow and secret.. and greased, thanks to benefit of doubt.. teacher error.. it was an act of knavery of which i'm kinda proud.
some people learn by rote, others fish.. vice versa, depending on your classroom.. [note - ingenuity *is* useful, and there is evidence that children lose a LOT creative capacity as they grow up, and institutionalized schooling is held as a likely culprit, but that's another story(;]
*I can't think of a single corporate entity that's truly likely to be around ten years from now. I mean, without being bought out, re-named, taken over, acquired, or re-engineered, or moving into a new net-based business model.
/.'d..
Try thinking about VISA. ($1.2 tah-rillion in sales last year.) It's an info-age corporation that's done just fine for 30 years, growing 20% every year past booms bubbles busts bear bulls. No take-overs, buy-outs, trade-outs, shake-outs, raids. Why? How? It's owned by its members. Shared in "non-transferable rights of participation". Dee Hock, who founded it, wanted to extend ownership to merchants and cardholders, but it wasn't possible at the time. Had it been, he believes it would be four times more powerful today.
Key to Visa's success is chaos/organized *open* structure that attracts the by far most valuable (and least used) resource on earth: human ingenuity.
call it "chaorganization". read about it here here here
note: http://www.fastcompany.com/online/05/deehock.html link currently
"The new electronic interdependence recreates the world in the image of a global village."
- Marshall McLuhan
DEC 1999 media effectively convinced most that y2k was hype, and that fear was all there was to be afraid of, so few people stockpiled cash, and Gov't printing presses breathed easy.
JAN 1, 2000 lots of people have hangovers.. few are on elevators or trading creamed corn futures.. there's very few glitches the first week, and media gloats "I told you so."
Then glitches bug out some financial systems in Japan, Brazil, Mexico and several other countries, triggering alarming capital flight and an unusually vicious cycles of international currency speculation. Panic ensues. Half a dozen big national economies melt down by June. While the crisis is 10 times worse than that of Asia '97, Mighty Uncle Sam stands tall, seemingly unaffected by "problems overseas".
Then we find out the U.S. Treasury takes a signifigant hit as "the Fed" opts to bail out huge loser hedge funds. Fear becomes fearsome, causing fearfully fearsome fear. A naive generation of Americans learns something new: Bubbles can burst. Badly.
2003 Every cloud has a silver lining. Investors stop short bets on international currencies, and start long bets on individual companies. (I'll trade ya 2 Ciscos for 3 Intels). Dollars, Yen, Euros become less trusted and seen rather as unnecessarily militaristic and quaintly bureaucratic exchange mediums.
2005 Businesses increasingly chaorganize in international networks, extending ownership not only to "employees", but even to customers (after all, customers provide valuable cash flow and feedback to help design future services) Those who can adapt to changing borders and new metaphors survive. Those who can't watch tv.
2008 Experiments with global community-based demurrage currencies reinforce the revolution. Money stored costs the storer a percentage in negative interest: better invest the cash wisely. Red Hats? Freshmeats? Invested money churns at higher velocity, and certain strains of it evolve to be quite valuable, far moreso that ancient paper. Don't feel like investing on your own? Buy Schwabs, Janus'.. whatever..
2010 Declaration of Interdependence ratified by 44,000,000 netizens in 342 Nations, creating powerful self-regulating electronic trading block sanctioning environmental abuse and rewarding open idea exchanges using web-based "io" protocol.
2012 more Chinese now on Internet than are Americans on Earth.
2013 Jon Katz finally gets the clue that Internet (and polital impact of it) isn't story centered in United States.