" On flip side, many of the designs that have pervaded and succeeded at tremendous levels of scale could best be described as "some scripts that hit a database". Slashdot, for instance. Wikipedia..."
-->Both examples fail here, since the lack of maintainability in script-based applications (ie, not tiered, or linear, or not terribly OOP) has meant that rolling out features for -either- has been ridiculously slow. How long did it take/. to support CSS?
Almost all major websites that have "scaled well" have refactored their codebase into tiered applications after awhile. Proper tiering of applications is considerably more scalable than a script, the modularity allows for much more flexible and adaptive caching per request, per application, and per user session...
Nope. Web Services does not mean Web App, and that is not what the context of this article details, either.
Web services are used extensively in distributed applications and n-tier applications, and are also excellent for serving data to external customers who are using a variety of custom or proprietary clients.
I do, yes. A lot.
And they are crucial and essential to serving data to customers and partners. There are definitely other options, but XML web services, especially through.net, are extremely easy to maintain, comparatively, and provide excellent abstraction layers for data access and business logic.
Sorry, but a true virtual town meeting wouldn't have "delete comment" features....likely his blog will also feature "edit comment" features, too... he -is- a republican...
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So what you're saying is that bloated software gets un-bloated if you give it more memory to play with?
Why spend more money on hardware if the computer you have is perfectly fine? Don't answer that - the guy above me with the checkbook is already shaking his head NO.
Poor memory management is a sign of poor quality code, or worse, poor planning cycles in development. Better hardware doesn't make your application better.
Blah blah blah. Your CV is an impressive load of crap if you truly believe that secretaries are more comfortable editing DELPHI than ACCESS.
This isn't about what's the better (read: higher performance) tool for the job, it's about what's cheapest, easiest, and most flexible.
No, I'm sorry... I'm a dj, a musician, and date a girl who worked for years at world-famous nightclub. The music industry as a whole is inherently evil. Those people break violate contracts in a week than microsoft does in a year...
As an aside, your idea of "has no business in government", while semantically correct, is woefully out of touch. If you really think that local governing bodies, administrations, and agencies have the budget to find qualified developers and even qualified consultants, you need to go visit one. In many towns, they make do with what they've got; often tragically underpowered computers trying to make the most out of tremendously overpriced custom software that they paid whomever was the lowest bidder to write... and if you think "lowest bidder" means "good developer" even in OSS land, you need your head examined.
1. Whether or not you like or dislike Access is beside the point; regardless of how terrible they may be (and in many many cases, are), Access developers are cheap and plentiful and Access applications can be maintained and often edited by existing staff. I have visited townships where the -secretaries- had added fields and even changed forms on their own. Name ONE other product even VAGUELY similar to those claims. Delphi? VB? You clearly have ZERO understanding of the realities in the field.
2. If PDF is a generic format, then why can't you read it without a proprietary reader, eh?
- Conversion of all the township's custom developed Access applications. (you think I'm kidding? I've had the contracts.) Until OpenOffice does what Access does, and cheap development labor is around to do the conversion/redesigns, this is a MAJOR problem with this plan.
- Downloadable or Uploadable forms for citizens. Note that PDF is also right out with this proposal. Forms require a reader that everyone has. PDF -or- word docs appeal to a wide audience that really are NOT going to upgrade to software they don't know.
- Cheap and Plentiful Support. The people that work for state and town agencies don't pay for support; they call their grandsons.
I have contracted for various Massachusetts government agencies. Few, if any, organizations are as poorly implemented as any given department in MA government. Moving to open formats is going to be miserable for them.
But, you know, the fanboys run the game here at/.
Let's play True or False:
* Converting every town and state office to use something other than Word will be quick and easy.
(False. The absolute truth here is that most town agencies (in MA anyways) are run by people old enough to be our grandparents. Most of these people are fearful of computers, and more fearful of change.)
* There is cheap help available for the conversion to OSS.
(False. Massachussetts is a small state, and even we have to deal with a hundred or so townships, each with their own departments. Most of these towns barely scrape by with the budget they have - a good number of these towns don't even HAVE a budget for IT (effectively.). Now, the OSS argument will undoubtedly be "But, what they save on software they can use towards support!" Incorrect. These towns use software for over five years before they consider buying new upgrades they don't need. $300 for a copy of office that they -know- how to use is a hell of a lot cheaper than a support contract.)
* Businesses will have an easier / acceptable cost / time using open - documents.
(False. MA is a LONG way from getting off paper, and don't kid yourself into thinking your state isn't. Whether we use open docs or closed formats, we're (no exaggeration here) 10-15 years away from accepting ANY digital format for most data. Further, what's more likely - accepting data from a business as OpenDoc or Word (no)? Or accepting data as a database dump in XML or CSV (yes)? Let's face facts; businesses are not going to like investing in new software just because taxes are expected in a format that nothing they have supports, and no major software packages work with.)
While I'm skeptical by any link to foxnews myself, I think this guy is correct in his assertion, and if you think he's not, you should ask how much your town spent on IT this year, and on what.
well, the iPod appeals to different people. My girl couldn't be without her iPod; where she doesn't care for games she -does- have 45GB full on her 60GB iPod. The PSP is worthless to her.
Me, most of my music is on vinyl. Anything more than 2GB of mp3's is a waste, to me. But gaming on the hour long subway ride? Priceless.
Yes, but individual memory chips often do not come rated in bytes but in bits and are configured in parallel to complete the byte.
Hence "16x16 config" making 32GB.
Yeah, try others. You're right that those are great; but just about the entire rest of the catalogue is downright terrible.
The PSP shows a ton of promise tho, it's just a question of whether it will come through.
The issue at hand is not discussing qualification, but certification. Did you know the Mechanical Engineer was not qualified because he wasn't certified? NO! You knew that because he has no IT jobs in his experience.
The question is if certifications really matter to a resume for IT; clearly if I submitted a resume that was virtually unrelated to the field, both certifications and no certifications would hurt. We're considering the following questions:
Would a cert hurt or help - * someone with no experience looking to get into IT? * a college student? * an entry level applicant? * a mid level applicant? * an experienced pro? * any of the above looking to move up?
Certainly the answer is "one who has the piece of paper that says he can do the job, and one who doesn't", but we're talking here about people who HAVE paper that says they can do the job - their experience, degree, portfolio, or even letter of recommendation. Surely someone with no IT experience and a resume tailored for mechanics would not get the job - but would they with an MCSE? Probably not then, either. But neither of those apply here. We're saying, what does the -cert- do for you. Does it help someone with a little experience, or not?
For instance, I have almost 10 years of experience, and I'm only 30 years old. I have neither a degree or cert, but I have a competive development job. I've never met someone with a certification OR degree that knew a damned thing that mattered in the real world. My experience on my resume dictates that I can do the job. The question is, who believes a cert is more important than experience?
I have no certs and no CS degree, and neither have ever stopped me from getting a job and making competetive money in this field.
There's a ton of ways to get your toe in the door in IT, among them finding your own clients, doing internships, or even just plain building a good portfolio of what you know.
You're leaving out killing by soldiers in your numbers. No doubt '76%' becomes much smaller when you consider the killing done by our military. Likely, you'll find that there is truth in the very statement you have tried to disprove.
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Actually, it represents a pretty good sarbox world. Which is fairly orwellian, but not as much fun.
I dunno, my TQM team got beat up by a bunch of green belts.
" On flip side, many of the designs that have pervaded and succeeded at tremendous levels of scale could best be described as "some scripts that hit a database". Slashdot, for instance. Wikipedia..." -->Both examples fail here, since the lack of maintainability in script-based applications (ie, not tiered, or linear, or not terribly OOP) has meant that rolling out features for -either- has been ridiculously slow. How long did it take /. to support CSS?
Almost all major websites that have "scaled well" have refactored their codebase into tiered applications after awhile. Proper tiering of applications is considerably more scalable than a script, the modularity allows for much more flexible and adaptive caching per request, per application, and per user session...
Nope. Web Services does not mean Web App, and that is not what the context of this article details, either. Web services are used extensively in distributed applications and n-tier applications, and are also excellent for serving data to external customers who are using a variety of custom or proprietary clients.
I do, yes. A lot. And they are crucial and essential to serving data to customers and partners. There are definitely other options, but XML web services, especially through .net, are extremely easy to maintain, comparatively, and provide excellent abstraction layers for data access and business logic.
Sorry, but a true virtual town meeting wouldn't have "delete comment" features. ...likely his blog will also feature "edit comment" features, too... he -is- a republican...
So what you're saying is that bloated software gets un-bloated if you give it more memory to play with?
Why spend more money on hardware if the computer you have is perfectly fine? Don't answer that - the guy above me with the checkbook is already shaking his head NO.
Poor memory management is a sign of poor quality code, or worse, poor planning cycles in development. Better hardware doesn't make your application better.
Wait, I'm confused. Should I run linux or knoppix?
Get the point?
I'm pretty damned sure microsoft "gets" free software; Giving away IE for free is how they bled Netscape out of market domination.
Blah blah blah. Your CV is an impressive load of crap if you truly believe that secretaries are more comfortable editing DELPHI than ACCESS. This isn't about what's the better (read: higher performance) tool for the job, it's about what's cheapest, easiest, and most flexible.
No, I'm sorry... I'm a dj, a musician, and date a girl who worked for years at world-famous nightclub. The music industry as a whole is inherently evil. Those people break violate contracts in a week than microsoft does in a year...
As an aside, your idea of "has no business in government", while semantically correct, is woefully out of touch. If you really think that local governing bodies, administrations, and agencies have the budget to find qualified developers and even qualified consultants, you need to go visit one. In many towns, they make do with what they've got; often tragically underpowered computers trying to make the most out of tremendously overpriced custom software that they paid whomever was the lowest bidder to write... and if you think "lowest bidder" means "good developer" even in OSS land, you need your head examined.
1. Whether or not you like or dislike Access is beside the point; regardless of how terrible they may be (and in many many cases, are), Access developers are cheap and plentiful and Access applications can be maintained and often edited by existing staff. I have visited townships where the -secretaries- had added fields and even changed forms on their own. Name ONE other product even VAGUELY similar to those claims. Delphi? VB? You clearly have ZERO understanding of the realities in the field. 2. If PDF is a generic format, then why can't you read it without a proprietary reader, eh?
Yes, several:
- Conversion of all the township's custom developed Access applications. (you think I'm kidding? I've had the contracts.) Until OpenOffice does what Access does, and cheap development labor is around to do the conversion/redesigns, this is a MAJOR problem with this plan.
- Downloadable or Uploadable forms for citizens. Note that PDF is also right out with this proposal. Forms require a reader that everyone has. PDF -or- word docs appeal to a wide audience that really are NOT going to upgrade to software they don't know.
- Cheap and Plentiful Support. The people that work for state and town agencies don't pay for support; they call their grandsons.
I have contracted for various Massachusetts government agencies. Few, if any, organizations are as poorly implemented as any given department in MA government. Moving to open formats is going to be miserable for them. But, you know, the fanboys run the game here at /.
Let's play True or False:
* Converting every town and state office to use something other than Word will be quick and easy.
(False. The absolute truth here is that most town agencies (in MA anyways) are run by people old enough to be our grandparents. Most of these people are fearful of computers, and more fearful of change.)
* There is cheap help available for the conversion to OSS.
(False. Massachussetts is a small state, and even we have to deal with a hundred or so townships, each with their own departments. Most of these towns barely scrape by with the budget they have - a good number of these towns don't even HAVE a budget for IT (effectively.). Now, the OSS argument will undoubtedly be "But, what they save on software they can use towards support!" Incorrect. These towns use software for over five years before they consider buying new upgrades they don't need. $300 for a copy of office that they -know- how to use is a hell of a lot cheaper than a support contract.)
* Businesses will have an easier / acceptable cost / time using open - documents.
(False. MA is a LONG way from getting off paper, and don't kid yourself into thinking your state isn't. Whether we use open docs or closed formats, we're (no exaggeration here) 10-15 years away from accepting ANY digital format for most data. Further, what's more likely - accepting data from a business as OpenDoc or Word (no)? Or accepting data as a database dump in XML or CSV (yes)? Let's face facts; businesses are not going to like investing in new software just because taxes are expected in a format that nothing they have supports, and no major software packages work with.)
While I'm skeptical by any link to foxnews myself, I think this guy is correct in his assertion, and if you think he's not, you should ask how much your town spent on IT this year, and on what.
well, the iPod appeals to different people. My girl couldn't be without her iPod; where she doesn't care for games she -does- have 45GB full on her 60GB iPod. The PSP is worthless to her.
Me, most of my music is on vinyl. Anything more than 2GB of mp3's is a waste, to me. But gaming on the hour long subway ride? Priceless.
I watch UMD and compressed movies all the time on my PSP, commuting to work.
But it sure renews debate on "Does the chicken come before the egg?"... because we all know, egg is needed in noodles.
Yes, but individual memory chips often do not come rated in bytes but in bits and are configured in parallel to complete the byte. Hence "16x16 config" making 32GB.
Yeah, try others. You're right that those are great; but just about the entire rest of the catalogue is downright terrible. The PSP shows a ton of promise tho, it's just a question of whether it will come through.
Your answer is ironically irrelevent.
The issue at hand is not discussing qualification, but certification. Did you know the Mechanical Engineer was not qualified because he wasn't certified? NO! You knew that because he has no IT jobs in his experience.
The question is if certifications really matter to a resume for IT; clearly if I submitted a resume that was virtually unrelated to the field, both certifications and no certifications would hurt. We're considering the following questions:
Would a cert hurt or help -
* someone with no experience looking to get into IT?
* a college student?
* an entry level applicant?
* a mid level applicant?
* an experienced pro?
* any of the above looking to move up?
Certainly the answer is "one who has the piece of paper that says he can do the job, and one who doesn't", but we're talking here about people who HAVE paper that says they can do the job - their experience, degree, portfolio, or even letter of recommendation. Surely someone with no IT experience and a resume tailored for mechanics would not get the job - but would they with an MCSE? Probably not then, either. But neither of those apply here. We're saying, what does the -cert- do for you. Does it help someone with a little experience, or not?
For instance, I have almost 10 years of experience, and I'm only 30 years old. I have neither a degree or cert, but I have a competive development job. I've never met someone with a certification OR degree that knew a damned thing that mattered in the real world. My experience on my resume dictates that I can do the job. The question is, who believes a cert is more important than experience?
I have no certs and no CS degree, and neither have ever stopped me from getting a job and making competetive money in this field. There's a ton of ways to get your toe in the door in IT, among them finding your own clients, doing internships, or even just plain building a good portfolio of what you know.
Missles are heat-seeking, and likely would not hit the fridge. However, you could use the fridge to cool the ...
You're leaving out killing by soldiers in your numbers. No doubt '76%' becomes much smaller when you consider the killing done by our military. Likely, you'll find that there is truth in the very statement you have tried to disprove.