That is exactly what I am saying: they do not mix. They do not mix in reality and they do not mix in mind. They are separate, they are for different things.
As soon as you realized that scientific approach is applicable only to part of what we experience, you will accept the logic of what I am saying.
Give me one the most "impressive" and "obvious" "absurdity" from that list and we will talk on one item, because I do not have time to discuss all the points.
How about starting with these:
15:19 "And the earth - We have spread it and cast therein firmly set mountains and caused to grow therein [something] of every well-balanced thing."
The earth is flat? How can a omniscient allah ignore that earth is spherical? same in 50:7
21:33 "And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming."?
The sun & moon orbiting the earth?
In concordance, then we get
27:61 "Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? [No], but most of them do not know."
Earth doesn't move?
Bullshit. I have Ph.D in physics and I am observing Muslim. The dichotomy is false and its enough that your Christian right-wing crazies are perpetuating it. Don't join the bandwagon from the science side.
I don't care if it's "medical" or not. Are his customers (patients) happy with his work? If not, they should be the ones suing and criticizing.
This blatant attempt to justify pseudoscience (and a poorle reasoned one) is given a 2, why? Isn;t this site for GEEKS, shouldn't the score be given in a more numerical, logical, VERIFIABLE way?
Now, to the pseudoscience defender, following your reasoning, religion should be allowed to scam believers, we have no right to criticize because believers are happy to be victim of brainwashing? What about warning other people?
Second, if they make claims, at least they don't label such empty claims as 'science'. How unaceptable is to ask for this basic common sense?
When I was a teen in the mid 60s, I lost count of all the times I got the belt by my father. I guarantee you those "belt-of-education" sessions settled me down such that I made it thru US Army boot camp without a Courtmartial and a stay at Leavenworth. Damned kids now think they're entitled to everything and the parents, IF they even care about the kid, they bend over and give the damned kid whatever he wants just to shut him/her up. All the parents are doing is reinforcing the kids entitlement mentality. Of course the kids are smart too.. If the parents DO try to discipline the kid, the kid often threatens to call Child Protective Services, in short, blackmailing the parent. I realize that getting the belt by my father taught me clearly that the world does NOT revolve around me. When I met my wife back in the early 80s, we made a concious decision not to have kids as it was begining to look like the early "nanny state" would prevent me from discipling any kids we might have as my father did. Based on what I just said, I have a funny feeling his daugther needed a good visit with the belt. Looks like a bit of blackmail by the brat of a daughter...
There's no excuse to beat a girl, even if he'd be a very spoiled girl, that would be the parents fault, cause when you're a responsible parent, you don't need violence to teach your kids manners and values.
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And in the video, it's not just some ass whipping, he keeps yelling at her and beating her for over 7 minutes, it's not like she killed someone.
It's easy to be so brave with a young girl who can't defend herself. He should be put on a UFC cage against a man who can kick his ass.
There's no excuse to beat a girl, even if he'd be a very spoiled girl, that would be the parents fault, cause when you're a responsible parent, you don't need violence to teach your kids manners and values.
iOs can only run on Apple iPhones and iPads, Android in any other kind of equipment (not only smartphones and tablets) and brand, for developers, Android is more attractive if you see it that way, I see some parallelism of what happened with Apple and IBM compatible PC at the 80s.
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Siri is far from being a killer app, IMO, the former consideration is clearly more important.
There's one annoying behavior in FB, not fixed until the last time I verified it.
When you comment something on a person's wall, such comment appears in all your contact walls, and there was no way to avoid it, supposedly because the owner of such wall must decide that, not you.
How hard was to build, via programming, a feature that would allow the option 'This message will be visible only in this wall' or 'Do not allow this comment to be forwarded to other walls'?
MySQL is 'fast' because its lack of feature and robustness mainly.
Implying maketshare means qualit.is like implying that current crappy pop music is better than Classica Music because of the marketshare they get.
Just think about it....a civilization capable of interestellar travel, would have a HUGE intelligence&knowledge advantage to humans.....an advantage far bigger of the one we have compared to ants...
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Now think about this scenario....imagine humans are capable of developing a device that would allow us to communicate with ants....what would they say us?
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'I have to eat', 'I have to efecate', 'I have to port this food to our home'......how soon would be keep interested on their 'messages'?
.
Now think about us trying to talk to them......do you think they'd understand even the most basic notions about Science, Phylosphy, Art?
.
Don;t you think that something similar would happen with an advanced alien civilization trying to have communication with humans?
What's you opinion?
Who gets back more money than they paid? Certainly, when I was young and poor, I got money back at the end of the year, but never more than I had paid in withholding. I see people make this claim all the time, that poor people get more money back than they pay in taxes, and I just want to know, uh, how do they do it?
No one I know vilifies the rich for being successful. In fact, people tend to idolize successful achievers. IF they deserve that success. People love it when smart, plucky, hard working go-getters make it big, but they hate it when conniving sociopathic weasels do. And quite frankly, for every one upstanding rich man who made it big without stepping on anyone along the way, there are ten selfish, amoral pricks who fucked anyone and anything that got in their way. It's not the bad apple that spoils the rich bunch, it is the one lone good apple that somehow resists the all encompassing rot.
Now look at the people who really make a difference, the scientists and engineers who actually make the world a better place. Despite the fact that there work is infinitely more important than that of so called 'industrial leaders' who are mere paper pushers adding nothing of benefit to human society, these scientists and engineers are almost never rich, unless they come from a rich family, or happen to be sociopathic enough to stab their friends in the back when the time comes.
Remember, if you are making a quarter of a million dollars nowadays, you are barely upper middle class. "Rich" doesn't start until you hit eight figures. I know a lot of middle class Americans think they might become rich someday. They won't.
Shouldn't a separate thread should be done about this?
Why is that the human civilization allowed the the most contributing members of the mankind in different times (Socrates, Da Vinci, Galileo, Newton, Pascal, Mozart, Beethoeven Pasteur and a lot of etc...) have always been in certain ways, servants of corrupts bureaucrats?
Isn't there a way to prevent the weathiest and most powerful humans are mainly parasites, not producing nothing really worthy and/or creative on their own? a legacy for the mankind?
Just think about it....who were the wealthiest and most powerful men in Socrates era? in Galileo era? did they deserve to have more wealth and money than Socrates, Galieo, Da Vinci or Mozart?
Perhaps I will be punished by slashdot owners...but in many replies, the former comment labeled as 'insghtful' ad given 4 points, was shown to have more holes than swiss cheese.......
Isn't this place supposed to be for very intelligent nerds and geeks, more likely to prefer some objetive evaluation rather than a subjective one?
Would you be so worried about extremedly high quality of video and audio DURING A CAR TRIP?
I seriously doubt you'd notice the full fledged details when you're not in optimal condicions of silence and lighting.....isn't it?
Is it just me? or CD/DVD are soooo fragile that even giving them an angry glance would make them get scratched and have problems not allowing you to watch a smooth play.....and this has happened in a lot of brands.....in many different of players....
Should CD/DVD be dismissed as format and replaced for something less prone to scratch?
An expert poker player told me that the poker tournaments shown in ESPN is a kind of 'open' poker where the cards are more visible and the game is more about luck than skills, the poker more about skills than luck is shown in some Western movies like or TV shows, like 'Maverick' for instance.... that's why I ask, what kind of Poker whas played in this match?
How true is that the ESPN poker is more about luck than skills?
How come an 'A' in an easy course shoud count the same as an 'A' in a math course? do you see it logical that the highest honors tend to go into Students in 'soft' humanistic careers?
I say this because it also happens in my country. And I consider it a shame that such students taking the easy paths are having hte highest honors and benefits....do you think it's reasonable and encourage students to go into the hardest path?
One thing is to try to be a futurist (Tofler, Sagan, Arthur C Clark), but other trying to present such speculations as if they were something very near... Do you think Sagan or Clark would say interstellar travel is around the corner? Do you think a serious scientist would do that....?
That's my point, you can be a geek (In fact I've been labeled as that my whole life) but that shouldn't take away the critical thinking and skepticism required to follow the Scientific Method, don't you think?
I remember that I told you it seemed too strange for me that such group of higly educated individuals like the Slashdot posters, were taking this Space Elevator stuff so seriously...the flames received were inbelievable, even my post received a rating of 1 (ONE) while some sci-fi postings received 5 as 'Insightful' or 'Informative'.....
It was like we'd talk about intergalactic travels as something something just around the corner, why were so pissed off by my skpeticism back then?
Why isn't that mentioned here? did I miss something?
The Pentium M seems clearly ahead Turion processors in an overall evaluation? why Mobile processors aren't mentioned in this discussion?
1.-Wouldn't making a policy of not granting this kind of insurance to people unable to demonstrate security meassures implemented on the PC systems they will use for access the bank network... do the trick?
2.-Wouldn't also be interesting to ask people doing online banking to register the terminals (Disk Serial number and whatever identification possible) and IP addresses, and the cost of that paperwork should be charged as an 'electronic theft insurance fee', and that it would be possible for people who are sure to make their terminals secure, not to pay such insurance, and avoid paying the fees?
AFAIK, Arthur C Clark made obvious that he wrote Science Fiction.
In this case, the discussion about the Space Elevator is as if it was a very feasible way to go into the space, when minimal common sense says that, with our current level of scientific development, such 'Space Elevator' would be hardly a practical solution (can you imagine such estructure? how much would it cost, how easy it could be damaged severely by terrorists, meteors, etc..)?
I wonder if it's just a parody...or if it's been taken seriously in Slashdot...
I rarely come over here, but, AFAIK, there are very interesting discussions here, and very bright people...that's why it surprised me to see this interview treated as it it was a serious proposition (even in the responses exposing concerns)...
The most basic common sense says that such 'Space Elevator' can't be a serious project, is there something I'm missing?
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Stop being elusive, how about earth being flat and the sun orbiting around it? How come GOD be more ignorant that Aristarcus or Eratostenes?
That is exactly what I am saying: they do not mix. They do not mix in reality and they do not mix in mind. They are separate, they are for different things.
As soon as you realized that scientific approach is applicable only to part of what we experience, you will accept the logic of what I am saying.
How come an omniscient god be so IGNORANT about science? http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Muslims-Science-in-the-Quran-Fantasy.htm What's the rational explanation?
Give me one the most "impressive" and "obvious" "absurdity" from that list and we will talk on one item, because I do not have time to discuss all the points.
How about starting with these:
15:19 "And the earth - We have spread it and cast therein firmly set mountains and caused to grow therein [something] of every well-balanced thing." The earth is flat? How can a omniscient allah ignore that earth is spherical? same in 50:7
21:33 "And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming."? The sun & moon orbiting the earth?
In concordance, then we get 27:61 "Is He [not best] who made the earth a stable ground and placed within it rivers and made for it firmly set mountains and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? [No], but most of them do not know." Earth doesn't move?
Here is MORE MATERIAL http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Muslims-Science-in-the-Quran-Fantasy.htm
Bullshit. I have Ph.D in physics and I am observing Muslim. The dichotomy is false and its enough that your Christian right-wing crazies are perpetuating it. Don't join the bandwagon from the science side.
How can a PHD in Physics deal with these ABSURDITIES in Quran and be an 'observing muslim'? http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/science/long.html PLEASE EXPLAIN US.
I don't care if it's "medical" or not. Are his customers (patients) happy with his work? If not, they should be the ones suing and criticizing.
This blatant attempt to justify pseudoscience (and a poorle reasoned one) is given a 2, why? Isn;t this site for GEEKS, shouldn't the score be given in a more numerical, logical, VERIFIABLE way? Now, to the pseudoscience defender, following your reasoning, religion should be allowed to scam believers, we have no right to criticize because believers are happy to be victim of brainwashing? What about warning other people? Second, if they make claims, at least they don't label such empty claims as 'science'. How unaceptable is to ask for this basic common sense?
When I was a teen in the mid 60s, I lost count of all the times I got the belt by my father. I guarantee you those "belt-of-education" sessions settled me down such that I made it thru US Army boot camp without a Courtmartial and a stay at Leavenworth. Damned kids now think they're entitled to everything and the parents, IF they even care about the kid, they bend over and give the damned kid whatever he wants just to shut him/her up. All the parents are doing is reinforcing the kids entitlement mentality. Of course the kids are smart too.. If the parents DO try to discipline the kid, the kid often threatens to call Child Protective Services, in short, blackmailing the parent. I realize that getting the belt by my father taught me clearly that the world does NOT revolve around me. When I met my wife back in the early 80s, we made a concious decision not to have kids as it was begining to look like the early "nanny state" would prevent me from discipling any kids we might have as my father did. Based on what I just said, I have a funny feeling his daugther needed a good visit with the belt. Looks like a bit of blackmail by the brat of a daughter...
There's no excuse to beat a girl, even if he'd be a very spoiled girl, that would be the parents fault, cause when you're a responsible parent, you don't need violence to teach your kids manners and values. . And in the video, it's not just some ass whipping, he keeps yelling at her and beating her for over 7 minutes, it's not like she killed someone.
It's easy to be so brave with a young girl who can't defend herself. He should be put on a UFC cage against a man who can kick his ass. There's no excuse to beat a girl, even if he'd be a very spoiled girl, that would be the parents fault, cause when you're a responsible parent, you don't need violence to teach your kids manners and values.
iOs can only run on Apple iPhones and iPads, Android in any other kind of equipment (not only smartphones and tablets) and brand, for developers, Android is more attractive if you see it that way, I see some parallelism of what happened with Apple and IBM compatible PC at the 80s. . Siri is far from being a killer app, IMO, the former consideration is clearly more important.
There's one annoying behavior in FB, not fixed until the last time I verified it. When you comment something on a person's wall, such comment appears in all your contact walls, and there was no way to avoid it, supposedly because the owner of such wall must decide that, not you. How hard was to build, via programming, a feature that would allow the option 'This message will be visible only in this wall' or 'Do not allow this comment to be forwarded to other walls'?
MySQL is 'fast' because its lack of feature and robustness mainly. Implying maketshare means qualit.is like implying that current crappy pop music is better than Classica Music because of the marketshare they get.
What's seen in such experiment is the FORER EFFECT.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect
Just think about it....a civilization capable of interestellar travel, would have a HUGE intelligence&knowledge advantage to humans .....an advantage far bigger of the one we have compared to ants...
.
Now think about this scenario....imagine humans are capable of developing a device that would allow us to communicate with ants....what would they say us?
.
'I have to eat', 'I have to efecate', 'I have to port this food to our home'......how soon would be keep interested on their 'messages'?
.
Now think about us trying to talk to them......do you think they'd understand even the most basic notions about Science, Phylosphy, Art?
.
Don;t you think that something similar would happen with an advanced alien civilization trying to have communication with humans?
What's you opinion?
Who gets back more money than they paid? Certainly, when I was young and poor, I got money back at the end of the year, but never more than I had paid in withholding. I see people make this claim all the time, that poor people get more money back than they pay in taxes, and I just want to know, uh, how do they do it?
No one I know vilifies the rich for being successful. In fact, people tend to idolize successful achievers. IF they deserve that success. People love it when smart, plucky, hard working go-getters make it big, but they hate it when conniving sociopathic weasels do. And quite frankly, for every one upstanding rich man who made it big without stepping on anyone along the way, there are ten selfish, amoral pricks who fucked anyone and anything that got in their way. It's not the bad apple that spoils the rich bunch, it is the one lone good apple that somehow resists the all encompassing rot.
Now look at the people who really make a difference, the scientists and engineers who actually make the world a better place. Despite the fact that there work is infinitely more important than that of so called 'industrial leaders' who are mere paper pushers adding nothing of benefit to human society, these scientists and engineers are almost never rich, unless they come from a rich family, or happen to be sociopathic enough to stab their friends in the back when the time comes.
Remember, if you are making a quarter of a million dollars nowadays, you are barely upper middle class. "Rich" doesn't start until you hit eight figures. I know a lot of middle class Americans think they might become rich someday. They won't.
Shouldn't a separate thread should be done about this? Why is that the human civilization allowed the the most contributing members of the mankind in different times (Socrates, Da Vinci, Galileo, Newton, Pascal, Mozart, Beethoeven Pasteur and a lot of etc...) have always been in certain ways, servants of corrupts bureaucrats? Isn't there a way to prevent the weathiest and most powerful humans are mainly parasites, not producing nothing really worthy and/or creative on their own? a legacy for the mankind? Just think about it....who were the wealthiest and most powerful men in Socrates era? in Galileo era? did they deserve to have more wealth and money than Socrates, Galieo, Da Vinci or Mozart?
Perhaps I will be punished by slashdot owners...but in many replies, the former comment labeled as 'insghtful' ad given 4 points, was shown to have more holes than swiss cheese....... Isn't this place supposed to be for very intelligent nerds and geeks, more likely to prefer some objetive evaluation rather than a subjective one?
Would you be so worried about extremedly high quality of video and audio DURING A CAR TRIP? I seriously doubt you'd notice the full fledged details when you're not in optimal condicions of silence and lighting.....isn't it?
Is it just me? or CD/DVD are soooo fragile that even giving them an angry glance would make them get scratched and have problems not allowing you to watch a smooth play.....and this has happened in a lot of brands.....in many different of players.... Should CD/DVD be dismissed as format and replaced for something less prone to scratch?
An expert poker player told me that the poker tournaments shown in ESPN is a kind of 'open' poker where the cards are more visible and the game is more about luck than skills, the poker more about skills than luck is shown in some Western movies like or TV shows, like 'Maverick' for instance.... that's why I ask, what kind of Poker whas played in this match? How true is that the ESPN poker is more about luck than skills?
How come an 'A' in an easy course shoud count the same as an 'A' in a math course? do you see it logical that the highest honors tend to go into Students in 'soft' humanistic careers?
I say this because it also happens in my country. And I consider it a shame that such students taking the easy paths are having hte highest honors and benefits....do you think it's reasonable and encourage students to go into the hardest path?
how would you explain european (and euro-like countries like Canada) and also some poor countries are ahead of the ranking than US?
One thing is to try to be a futurist (Tofler, Sagan, Arthur C Clark), but other trying to present such speculations as if they were something very near...
Do you think Sagan or Clark would say interstellar travel is around the corner?
Do you think a serious scientist would do that....?
That's my point, you can be a geek (In fact I've been labeled as that my whole life) but that shouldn't take away the critical thinking and skepticism required to follow the Scientific Method, don't you think?
I remember that I told you it seemed too strange for me that such group of higly educated individuals like the Slashdot posters, were taking this Space Elevator stuff so seriously...the flames received were inbelievable, even my post received a rating of 1 (ONE) while some sci-fi postings received 5 as 'Insightful' or 'Informative'..... It was like we'd talk about intergalactic travels as something something just around the corner, why were so pissed off by my skpeticism back then?
Why isn't that mentioned here? did I miss something? The Pentium M seems clearly ahead Turion processors in an overall evaluation? why Mobile processors aren't mentioned in this discussion?
1.-Wouldn't making a policy of not granting this kind of insurance to people unable to demonstrate security meassures implemented on the PC systems they will use for access the bank network... do the trick? 2.-Wouldn't also be interesting to ask people doing online banking to register the terminals (Disk Serial number and whatever identification possible) and IP addresses, and the cost of that paperwork should be charged as an 'electronic theft insurance fee', and that it would be possible for people who are sure to make their terminals secure, not to pay such insurance, and avoid paying the fees?
AFAIK, Arthur C Clark made obvious that he wrote Science Fiction.
In this case, the discussion about the Space Elevator is as if it was a very feasible way to go into the space, when minimal common sense says that, with our current level of scientific development, such 'Space Elevator' would be hardly a practical solution (can you imagine such estructure? how much would it cost, how easy it could be damaged severely by terrorists, meteors, etc..)?
I wonder if it's just a parody...or if it's been taken seriously in Slashdot... I rarely come over here, but, AFAIK, there are very interesting discussions here, and very bright people...that's why it surprised me to see this interview treated as it it was a serious proposition (even in the responses exposing concerns)... The most basic common sense says that such 'Space Elevator' can't be a serious project, is there something I'm missing?