It's a document-centric system. Attachments are merely part of a document. You might have structured collections (it's how you'd browse your email and digital camera in the first place), but you access things via direct manipulation, not their filenames, much as you generally would in a mac.
Just try it for godsakes, I promise you'll be disappointed, but for different reasons. Your filesystem arguments are really looking sillier by the post.
Nomic's not difficult to get off the ground at all. Ask enough people online, and they'll be more than happy to play. Sustaining a game past 10 rounds or so is virtually impossible however. You can guarantee you will lose half your players in round 1 from normal attrition of people who sign up and don't bother checking back. The first several rounds are pretty dull, and if people don't start creating subgames that are actually FUN really quick, everyone else gets bored and drops off.
The ideal environment for hosting a nomic backed with code is a MUD, such as MOO. However, not everyone wants to write MOO code (it's a good language compared to other MUD languages, but that's not saying much). With a virtualized server or usermode jail, one could confine the nomic server relatively safely however. However, even hosting a MUD, let alone a full server is still a fairly expensive hobby. Webhosting has gotten dirt cheap, but everything else is still going to cost probably as much or more than your monthly ISP bill.
Come on, it always refers to Win32 now, and typically means the NT kernel at that. When you say Linux, you're probably thinking of the ELF-supporting modular kernel, right?
> what word will serve to identify a Linux system to the mainstream?
Linux.
I really hate to use car analogies, but people don't have a problem with not only different makes, but even all the different models, from a mini to a minivan. Whoever can market best will communicate what their distro's strengths are most effectively, and people will catch on. The market really isn't as stupid as you think.
> Linux cannot make a dent??? I'd say it already has, else why is M$ running "Get the facts"?
Don't even need MS's reaction -- just look at the server rack.
On the desktop, perhaps there's a point. But yunno, except for Bob "Death of the Internet predicted and hey I invented Ethernet" Metcalfe, pundits are rarely ever called to the carpet when their prognostications turn out so wrong.
By the way, I've now had a few non-techie acquaintances install Linux. Sure enough they haven't a clue what you're talking about with this "just a kernel" and "Guh-NOO Linux" nonsense.
Yes, but "restart" could be thought of as simply logging out of one's X session. "reboot" is fairly unambiguous, and yes it's jargon, but frankly it's very common jargon that's well understood by most to mean a cold boot (i.e. as if from powering up). I don't think it's wrong of him to point it out, and in fact he's correct to say it's technical jargon. I would just disagree on changing it to "restart". It should in any case be used consistently.
> This is Slashdot, the biggest open source news site lacking a business plan there is.
But this proves the point: go start another slashdot, a better slashdot, see how it does. You'll almost certainly still be much smaller, no matter how good you are. If that floats your boat, fine, but users are the lifeblood of social networking.
Really though... if anything calls for being based on P2P technology, social networking is it. Why have central hosting at all? People who are interested will already have the resources and will be interested in providing it. You might use single servers for identity purposes, but even that doesn't require a single authoritative root, just an agreement among the groups on a particular directory.
A little embellishment on that paragraph could have netted seven figures in VC five years ago. I never even got the chance to have a Ferarri reposessed... sniff.
> We tried putting the marketeers, professional managers, and VCs in charge. Result: dot-bomb.
Actually, it was starry-eyed techs who came to greedy VC's with nothing but sexy high-tech implementations, lacking such minor details as a business plan, that were the first to be shaken out. As speculation typically goes, no one on the inside really had control over why there there was a bubble or when it would burst, but the insiders are certainly the ones that can help or hurt their survival prospects when the inevitable shakeout comes. And the pure-techies lost big.
Unfortunately I have to amend that... towards the latter third of his list, his tone gradually becomes snarkier and more unprofessional. I don't necessarily fault him for having the attitude, but I do fault his lack of editing.
Still, his tone remains for the most part far more rational than the abuse that's come back his way here.
Defect reports are by and large nitpicks. Many of these are even bigger than nitpicks. But that's what UI polish is all about. You get your car detailed, you don't expect them to leave a few streaks and smudges here and there, do you?
And he wasn't exactly using multiple exclamation points or making comments on how this rendered the whole thing unusable or shoddy. He simply listed defects and sometimes the reason this constituted a defect.
It's pathetic, the way some people create this personal attachment to software like this. It's not like he whitegloved your damn homes. If the GNOME developers share the reaction of the slashdot crowd, then frankly I too think he should shut up -- because he's otherwise wasting time and effort on a project that doesn't deserve any.
> Microsoft feels they can charge for the development tools, and does so.
I just got through saying that they don't charge for them anymore. Those "lite" versions are more heavy duty than most full blown IDE's. About the only thing really crippled is SQL server, but it's still adequate for development. Write your app right and you can switch to postgresql, which has odbc, ado, and.net data providers as well.
Still, LWATCDR is probably right in correcting my reasoning... it's not as if MS hasn't largely sewn up the market already. Maybe it's just a support issue then, one less thing (actually thousands less) to affect a default configuration.
> See, here's the problem: what Meetup did is really not that far beyond a good PHP programmer who knows a thing or two about MySQL.
No, it isn't technically complicated at all. But there's not a whole lot of business plans that will fly on ad revenue alone, and meetup's niche is too small. I'm surprised citysearch or digitalcity didn't borg them long ago.
I doubt you or I could even pay the hosting costs for such a site on ad revenue alone, let alone paying support and maintenance. You really need to stop thinking that the technical implementation is the magic that makes it all work and that you possess the keys to the kingdom by having more than passing knowledge of the technology. There's just a lot more to running a business than that.
Are the good citizens of PA shelling out tax dollars to fund a setup of someone who has to Ask Slashdot how to set up a municipal wi-fi network?
3000 full-blown linux servers? Jiminy Christmas. Probably COTS PC hardware, right? Please tell me there are competing bids from experienced networking outfits?
> Makes me wonder if Microsoft will start throwing in Visual Studio with Longhorn.
The lite edition (which is still quite solid) of Visual Studio is a free download now. You can even get it with Firefox, though the platform SDK still requires IE to get. It's componentized now, so you download the individual pieces you need (so if you don't want VB, you don't get VB).
I sincerely doubt MS will ship any real dev tools with Longhorn. The one market MS really does not want to undercut is the ISV market for developer tools. Apple has few such worries -- Codewarrior was just about the only comparable vendor left.
It's a whole lot faster when compiling C++. Fortran support is now up to F95 from F77. I think the C++ ABI is compatible with 3.4, so you should just be able to drop it right in (I'd keep 3.4 around just to be safe, and 4.0 hasn't even been officially released yet)
"On August 29th 1997 it's going to feel pretty fucking real to you, too! Anybody not wearing number two million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day, get it?" -- Sarah Connor
These people at the W3C dropped an incomplete spec out of their ivory tower with incoherent documentation, no functioning reference implementation, and no test suite, and we dropped the ball?
All right, "lie" is a strong word. But I noticed you haven't linked to the page where he specifically denies a belief in an anthropomorphic god -- let alone the Christian one. You only link to the article that serves your position. And not his own words. This is fundamentally misleading and intellectually dishonest.
But it takes a certain kind of intellectual dishonesty... forget it, we're already gravely off-topic.
> Larry has a very clear moral standpoint: "You can compete with me, but you can't do so by riding on my coat-tails. Solve the problems on your own, and compete _honestly_. Don't compete by looking at my solution."
You even read what you're saying? Don't compete by looking at my solution.
Not the source, not decompiled code, not hex dumps, not even formal documentation. Looking at the product. That's enough to get the license revoked for everyone you work with. Larry McVoy wants total control, and it's plain that he cannot be trusted.
He doesn't deserve 9 years for spam. In fact he doesn't deserve much more than a year or so, and his punishment should fit the crime: economic. Slap on a thousand hours community service while we're at it.
When you consider the amount of SMTP auth cracking and zombie propogation that Mr Jaynes did, he should probably count himself lucky that he's not facing federal computer crime charges. You know how hard it is to make a living when you're not allowed to touch a computer anymore?
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It's a document-centric system. Attachments are merely part of a document. You might have structured collections (it's how you'd browse your email and digital camera in the first place), but you access things via direct manipulation, not their filenames, much as you generally would in a mac.
Just try it for godsakes, I promise you'll be disappointed, but for different reasons. Your filesystem arguments are really looking sillier by the post.
Nomic's not difficult to get off the ground at all. Ask enough people online, and they'll be more than happy to play. Sustaining a game past 10 rounds or so is virtually impossible however. You can guarantee you will lose half your players in round 1 from normal attrition of people who sign up and don't bother checking back. The first several rounds are pretty dull, and if people don't start creating subgames that are actually FUN really quick, everyone else gets bored and drops off.
The ideal environment for hosting a nomic backed with code is a MUD, such as MOO. However, not everyone wants to write MOO code (it's a good language compared to other MUD languages, but that's not saying much). With a virtualized server or usermode jail, one could confine the nomic server relatively safely however. However, even hosting a MUD, let alone a full server is still a fairly expensive hobby. Webhosting has gotten dirt cheap, but everything else is still going to cost probably as much or more than your monthly ISP bill.
That's twice you've mentioned the tilde key for file access.
I don't even have short filenames turned on. I haven't had any problems. Maybe you need to learn Windows post win95 or so.
BTW, Sun invented that naming pattern for PCNFS.
Forward and back arrows do what you expect. Up and down scroll the screen. Page up and down do nothing.
The mouse, of course, does nothing at all.
Keys you expect to repeat don't. That triple-tap thing holds firm for everything. Even backspace. Even the arrow keys.
Tildes and backticks are impossible to type, they've become control characters.
The cursor blinks frantically and distractingly in not one, but two colors.
To access help, you have to hold down capslock while you type.
I stopped there. Guess it needs a little more time in the oven, but so far it's flying in the face of usability.
We can all learn a lesson from Slashdot in education young people in how to editing articles. Way to journalism!
> "Windows" says very little about the kernel
Come on, it always refers to Win32 now, and typically means the NT kernel at that. When you say Linux, you're probably thinking of the ELF-supporting modular kernel, right?
> what word will serve to identify a Linux system to the mainstream?
Linux.
I really hate to use car analogies, but people don't have a problem with not only different makes, but even all the different models, from a mini to a minivan. Whoever can market best will communicate what their distro's strengths are most effectively, and people will catch on. The market really isn't as stupid as you think.
> Linux cannot make a dent??? I'd say it already has, else why is M$ running "Get the facts"?
Don't even need MS's reaction -- just look at the server rack.
On the desktop, perhaps there's a point. But yunno, except for Bob "Death of the Internet predicted and hey I invented Ethernet" Metcalfe, pundits are rarely ever called to the carpet when their prognostications turn out so wrong.
By the way, I've now had a few non-techie acquaintances install Linux. Sure enough they haven't a clue what you're talking about with this "just a kernel" and "Guh-NOO Linux" nonsense.
> it makes more sense to use restart than reboot.
Yes, but "restart" could be thought of as simply logging out of one's X session. "reboot" is fairly unambiguous, and yes it's jargon, but frankly it's very common jargon that's well understood by most to mean a cold boot (i.e. as if from powering up). I don't think it's wrong of him to point it out, and in fact he's correct to say it's technical jargon. I would just disagree on changing it to "restart". It should in any case be used consistently.
> The best thing about *this* case is that it could easily become a thorn in the side of one of the biggest patent whores in the US
How many patent lawsuits has Microsoft taken out?
> This is Slashdot, the biggest open source news site lacking a business plan there is.
... if anything calls for being based on P2P technology, social networking is it. Why have central hosting at all? People who are interested will already have the resources and will be interested in providing it. You might use single servers for identity purposes, but even that doesn't require a single authoritative root, just an agreement among the groups on a particular directory.
... sniff.
But this proves the point: go start another slashdot, a better slashdot, see how it does. You'll almost certainly still be much smaller, no matter how good you are. If that floats your boat, fine, but users are the lifeblood of social networking.
Really though
A little embellishment on that paragraph could have netted seven figures in VC five years ago. I never even got the chance to have a Ferarri reposessed
> We tried putting the marketeers, professional managers, and VCs in charge. Result: dot-bomb.
Actually, it was starry-eyed techs who came to greedy VC's with nothing but sexy high-tech implementations, lacking such minor details as a business plan, that were the first to be shaken out. As speculation typically goes, no one on the inside really had control over why there there was a bubble or when it would burst, but the insiders are certainly the ones that can help or hurt their survival prospects when the inevitable shakeout comes. And the pure-techies lost big.
Unfortunately I have to amend that ... towards the latter third of his list, his tone gradually becomes snarkier and more unprofessional. I don't necessarily fault him for having the attitude, but I do fault his lack of editing.
Still, his tone remains for the most part far more rational than the abuse that's come back his way here.
Defect reports are by and large nitpicks. Many of these are even bigger than nitpicks. But that's what UI polish is all about. You get your car detailed, you don't expect them to leave a few streaks and smudges here and there, do you?
And he wasn't exactly using multiple exclamation points or making comments on how this rendered the whole thing unusable or shoddy. He simply listed defects and sometimes the reason this constituted a defect.
It's pathetic, the way some people create this personal attachment to software like this. It's not like he whitegloved your damn homes. If the GNOME developers share the reaction of the slashdot crowd, then frankly I too think he should shut up -- because he's otherwise wasting time and effort on a project that doesn't deserve any.
> Microsoft feels they can charge for the development tools, and does so.
.net data providers as well.
... it's not as if MS hasn't largely sewn up the market already. Maybe it's just a support issue then, one less thing (actually thousands less) to affect a default configuration.
I just got through saying that they don't charge for them anymore. Those "lite" versions are more heavy duty than most full blown IDE's. About the only thing really crippled is SQL server, but it's still adequate for development. Write your app right and you can switch to postgresql, which has odbc, ado, and
Still, LWATCDR is probably right in correcting my reasoning
> See, here's the problem: what Meetup did is really not that far beyond a good PHP programmer who knows a thing or two about MySQL.
No, it isn't technically complicated at all. But there's not a whole lot of business plans that will fly on ad revenue alone, and meetup's niche is too small. I'm surprised citysearch or digitalcity didn't borg them long ago.
I doubt you or I could even pay the hosting costs for such a site on ad revenue alone, let alone paying support and maintenance. You really need to stop thinking that the technical implementation is the magic that makes it all work and that you possess the keys to the kingdom by having more than passing knowledge of the technology. There's just a lot more to running a business than that.
Are the good citizens of PA shelling out tax dollars to fund a setup of someone who has to Ask Slashdot how to set up a municipal wi-fi network?
3000 full-blown linux servers? Jiminy Christmas. Probably COTS PC hardware, right? Please tell me there are competing bids from experienced networking outfits?
> Makes me wonder if Microsoft will start throwing in Visual Studio with Longhorn.
The lite edition (which is still quite solid) of Visual Studio is a free download now. You can even get it with Firefox, though the platform SDK still requires IE to get. It's componentized now, so you download the individual pieces you need (so if you don't want VB, you don't get VB).
I sincerely doubt MS will ship any real dev tools with Longhorn. The one market MS really does not want to undercut is the ISV market for developer tools. Apple has few such worries -- Codewarrior was just about the only comparable vendor left.
> Also, what's the advantages of GCC 4.0?
It's a whole lot faster when compiling C++. Fortran support is now up to F95 from F77. I think the C++ ABI is compatible with 3.4, so you should just be able to drop it right in (I'd keep 3.4 around just to be safe, and 4.0 hasn't even been officially released yet)
"On August 29th 1997 it's going to feel pretty fucking real to you, too! Anybody not wearing number two million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day, get it?" -- Sarah Connor
> Face it. We dropped the ball
These people at the W3C dropped an incomplete spec out of their ivory tower with incoherent documentation, no functioning reference implementation, and no test suite, and we dropped the ball?
> Would you care to further explain?
... forget it, we're already gravely off-topic.
All right, "lie" is a strong word. But I noticed you haven't linked to the page where he specifically denies a belief in an anthropomorphic god -- let alone the Christian one. You only link to the article that serves your position. And not his own words. This is fundamentally misleading and intellectually dishonest.
But it takes a certain kind of intellectual dishonesty
Here's a log for ya:
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You're still lying. Knowingly.
> Larry has a very clear moral standpoint: "You can compete with me, but you can't do so by riding on my coat-tails. Solve the problems on your own, and compete _honestly_. Don't compete by looking at my solution."
You even read what you're saying? Don't compete by looking at my solution.
Not the source, not decompiled code, not hex dumps, not even formal documentation. Looking at the product. That's enough to get the license revoked for everyone you work with. Larry McVoy wants total control, and it's plain that he cannot be trusted.
He doesn't deserve 9 years for spam. In fact he doesn't deserve much more than a year or so, and his punishment should fit the crime: economic. Slap on a thousand hours community service while we're at it.
When you consider the amount of SMTP auth cracking and zombie propogation that Mr Jaynes did, he should probably count himself lucky that he's not facing federal computer crime charges. You know how hard it is to make a living when you're not allowed to touch a computer anymore?