Not everyone has pentium class computers; that and if they have one its possible they have an old 486 lying around that they would rather test it on before they move it completely on their main computer.
True, but they're probably basing it on the requirements of their applications which is their true aim of the distribution:)
Well, I'll certainly meet you halfway on it. I do apologize for calling you a liar, but I still stand on that grounds that what RH does (shipping a tweener kernel) is very different from what the article implied TL was doing - shipping a kernel with additional code specifiacally designed to 'add value.'
I hate to fuel this debate even further, but let me quote docwhat (docwhat+nospam@gerf.org) who posted a followup elsewhere who claims to be a Red Hat employee (re: same thread) :
Our kernel has different slightly different goal, and has different patches. We want our kernel to be stable of course, but we include (naturally) our cluster support, IBM ServeRAID, drivers for companies that we have agreements, etc.
To me, this indicates that Red Hat are 'adding value' exactly the same as TL.
The biggest turn-off for me to do with TL's modifications is that the software to utilise the features costs money, but the kernel modules will probably be eventually freely distributable with the kernel. What's the point? They may as well keep it with the software and apply kernel modules during installation of the software, it's not going to be any benefit to everyone else unless someone is going to code a free replacement for the front end software using the same kernel modules? Seems about the only reason why it would be worth introducing into the stock kernel.
Yeah you're right... on one modem set it to ignore dialtone (ATX1) and "dial" the other modem with ATD (no number required). And on the other modem type ATA for answer and they should connect. Fun:)
This brings up an interesting point. The fact that you are _allowed_ to register any *.com domain. Does this mean that American law should not view whatever.com as being even possible to infringe on a copyright?
The legaleze seems pretty crap and half-hearted anyway, perhaps why the lawyer didn't reply to Mr Henley's correspondance. It's only about 1 in 5 times that you guess a domain for something famous and it turns out to be right, we'd use search engines, and as Don Henley points out, his is registered as such and has probably had a lot of visitors that had searched for him specifically.
A phone book lists lots of Don or D Henley's, perhaps they should sue the phone companies for publishing misleading data that aren't really "Don Henley's".
Right now, Linux needs standardisation to become a more viable mainstream platform, and it needs backing from serious industry players; Red Hat are a driving force in both areas.
There's been a history of Red Hat's unwillingness to take on standards that the rest of the Linux community has recommended. Being so large, they can refute our standards and begin their own, even if they're crap. In that respect you can liken it to MS, but I won't:)
It promised me during the install that it had updated the KDE menus; had I been running SuSE I dare say it probably would have
I doubt it would for any other distribution at all except where KDE is packaged identically. In terms of being a user, it should be recommended that unless the product says it has specific support for the product, then assume it hasn't.
It's unfortunate Code Warrior is a single-dist-support only application, otherwise I'd go for it. What's impractical for a company producing apps for Linux to support, say, the top 5 Linux distributions? The variations must be surely minor, and the research time to find the difference is most likely quite minimal. Thus it would keep the proliferation of Linux dists up with the competition, and to make it easier for application programmers they would strive to be as standard as possible. The more robust and unfragmented the better, but not better when there's fewer distributions.
I think he's playing to more than just Harradine, he probably feels like he will be treated like a hero in the conservative section of society, where the technology is also not understood and who do not understand the implications.
ISP's were e-mailed a disgustingly ignorant letter on the 20th April this year from a representative of Senator Alston. If anyone would like a copy I can forward it to them. It discusses the fine points of their justification, all convoluted and wrong with very sad anecdotes and analogies, and claiming as above that it has support from various areas that it probably hasn't even queried (or simply ignored their calls for common sense). It also says the time to discuss the matter is now, after several replies to the e-mail, there was no feedback from the senator or his representatives.
Also, the TIO (Telecommunication Industry Ombudsman) is an organisation that _forces_ ALL Australian ISP's to join. It then proceeds to dictate to the media and the public what the Internet industry members are thinking and feeling (completely made up to please the Government, no reflection of the industry at all). It is also illegal to then give any negative media towards the organisation if you are a member. What's an ISP to do?
I thought the idea of different installation 'profiles' (a la workstation/server) was an active part of Linux installations? I know that Debian offers a number of variaties of installation profiles, what about other distributions?
I agree with your first paragraph, I'd enjoy uninterrupted web browsing.
There were plenty of fantastic web sites to enjoy before banner ads commercialised the Internet. Just as the Open Source community can create fantastic software, they can also create fantastic non-commercial web sites without banners.
If there weren't so many poorly designed web sites that require graphical imagemaps with no text alternatives I'd probably browse without loading pictures, which would cover ads as well.
The only thing we're left with is the real financial resources of really popular sites, such as slashdot. There's no way they can pay for their bandwidth out of their own pocket, or keep up with decent servers. So I guess we're stuck with ads, and that's just sad.
Slashdot Mirror
True, but they're probably basing it on the requirements of their applications which is their true aim of the distribution :)
I hate to fuel this debate even further, but let me quote docwhat (docwhat+nospam@gerf.org) who posted a followup elsewhere who claims to be a Red Hat employee (re: same thread) :
Our kernel has different slightly different goal, and has different patches. We want our kernel to be stable of course, but we include (naturally) our cluster support, IBM ServeRAID, drivers for companies that we have agreements, etc.
To me, this indicates that Red Hat are 'adding value' exactly the same as TL.
The biggest turn-off for me to do with TL's modifications is that the software to utilise the features costs money, but the kernel modules will probably be eventually freely distributable with the kernel. What's the point? They may as well keep it with the software and apply kernel modules during installation of the software, it's not going to be any benefit to everyone else unless someone is going to code a free replacement for the front end software using the same kernel modules? Seems about the only reason why it would be worth introducing into the stock kernel.
Sounds more to me that they wanted to compete with Red Had 6.x by making the version sound newer and greater.
Take this as a flame if you will, seems obvious to me though. (The explanation of the new version seems totally inadequate and ridiculous).
Yeah you're right... on one modem set it to ignore dialtone (ATX1) and "dial" the other modem with ATD (no number required). And on the other modem type ATA for answer and they should connect. Fun :)
This brings up an interesting point. The fact that you are _allowed_ to register any *.com domain. Does this mean that American law should not view whatever.com as being even possible to infringe on a copyright?
The legaleze seems pretty crap and half-hearted anyway, perhaps why the lawyer didn't reply to Mr Henley's correspondance. It's only about 1 in 5 times that you guess a domain for something famous and it turns out to be right, we'd use search engines, and as Don Henley points out, his is registered as such and has probably had a lot of visitors that had searched for him specifically.
A phone book lists lots of Don or D Henley's, perhaps they should sue the phone companies for publishing misleading data that aren't really "Don Henley's".
Yeah, and if they had there would be 1 less crashed Mars weather satelite :)
There's been a history of Red Hat's unwillingness to take on standards that the rest of the Linux community has recommended. Being so large, they can refute our standards and begin their own, even if they're crap. In that respect you can liken it to MS, but I won't :)
It promised me during the install that it had updated the KDE menus; had I been running SuSE I dare say it probably would have
I doubt it would for any other distribution at all except where KDE is packaged identically. In terms of being a user, it should be recommended that unless the product says it has specific support for the product, then assume it hasn't.
It's unfortunate Code Warrior is a single-dist-support only application, otherwise I'd go for it. What's impractical for a company producing apps for Linux to support, say, the top 5 Linux distributions? The variations must be surely minor, and the research time to find the difference is most likely quite minimal. Thus it would keep the proliferation of Linux dists up with the competition, and to make it easier for application programmers they would strive to be as standard as possible. The more robust and unfragmented the better, but not better when there's fewer distributions.
Excellent observations.
I think he's playing to more than just Harradine, he probably feels like he will be treated like a hero in the conservative section of society, where the technology is also not understood and who do not understand the implications.
ISP's were e-mailed a disgustingly ignorant letter on the 20th April this year from a representative of Senator Alston. If anyone would like a copy I can forward it to them. It discusses the fine points of their justification, all convoluted and wrong with very sad anecdotes and analogies, and claiming as above that it has support from various areas that it probably hasn't even queried (or simply ignored their calls for common sense). It also says the time to discuss the matter is now, after several replies to the e-mail, there was no feedback from the senator or his representatives.
Also, the TIO (Telecommunication Industry Ombudsman) is an organisation that _forces_ ALL Australian ISP's to join. It then proceeds to dictate to the media and the public what the Internet industry members are thinking and feeling (completely made up to please the Government, no reflection of the industry at all). It is also illegal to then give any negative media towards the organisation if you are a member. What's an ISP to do?
What "track record" are you referring to?
Thank god we are note elite then :)
I thought the idea of different installation 'profiles' (a la workstation/server) was an active part of Linux installations? I know that Debian offers a number of variaties of installation profiles, what about other distributions?
I agree with your first paragraph, I'd enjoy uninterrupted web browsing.
There were plenty of fantastic web sites to enjoy before banner ads commercialised the Internet. Just as the Open Source community can create fantastic software, they can also create fantastic non-commercial web sites without banners.
If there weren't so many poorly designed web sites that require graphical imagemaps with no text alternatives I'd probably browse without loading pictures, which would cover ads as well.
The only thing we're left with is the real financial resources of really popular sites, such as slashdot. There's no way they can pay for their bandwidth out of their own pocket, or keep up with decent servers. So I guess we're stuck with ads, and that's just sad.