Right! Rising ocean levels *proves* that *man* causes rising ocean levels. Your logic is inescapable. So why are Maldivians packing their bags? Don't they know that the Democrats now have total control of the US government and will sign the Kyoto Protocol, thus lowering sea levels?
The point is that his argument is completely non-scientific
I'll respond by quoting my own post which you did not read too carefully:
State of Fear had hundreds of footnotes referencing the 3rd IPCC and actual scientific studies from actual scientists.
PLEASE Pick up the novel from the library. Read the introduction, skip past the entire 600 or so pages of the mediocre story and read the author's notes, the appendices and the scores of footnotes from scientific journals and other sources in the Bibliography. If he's so full of b.s., and your faith is so strong, what have you got to fear?
So you acknowledge that scaremongering is going on. Thank you for the intellectual honesty on that point.
Saying X group of people feed in fear is nonsensical.
Not if it's true.
To this point and your point that their existed some unimpeachable proof of anthropic global warming before scaremongers ran with it: Chrichton's footnotes scores of cases where environmentalists (and he's/I'm talking about the religious wing here) exaggerated and distorted the evidence, which is *not* incontrovertible to begin with. If you want me to back it up, I refer you to his book and the hundreds of secondary sources he sties. most of them scientific journals.
After all that, I'll remind you that my primary point was to highlight the wickedness of the posts of the good green folks delighting at the man's death.
Notice how most of the posts mocking, belittling and having fun with the man's death are coming from the "How dare he question Global Warming" crowd.
State of Fear had hundreds of footnotes referencing the 3rd IPCC and actual scientific studies from actual scientists.
Regardless your view on Global Warming, he has a valid point in the book: *Enviornmentalists feed on fear. *The media feeds on fear. *Politicians feed on fear. Results in *Echo chamber effect.
It's hard to get elected saying or to get a story on the news about how: "The sky is NOT falling, or not falling that fast, or it's not our fault that it's falling".
Apparently that is all it takes to get the altruistic, gentle Green movement dancing on your grave.
it concerns me that President Elect Obama received around 97% of the African American vote
Blacks voted solely on race in this election and I don't blame them. However, it *will* concern me if he gets that number in the *next* election. 97% reflects the desire to bring on this euphoric milestone of a post-racial society. I was watching Fox News when they called it for Obama last night. I teared up with Juan Williams as he emoted about what this meant to him and this country. Now that this threshold has been crossed, I'm hoping blacks will feel free to vote issues *not* race in future elections. We will see.
Does anyone else see a path back to power for conservatives? I don't Democrats have: *Almost total control of all 3 branches
*Socialism is addictive This time Obama promised $1,000, in other people's money, to tens of millions of Americans. How does any conservative run on undoing that? Those millions will vote for Obama again when he promises to *two* thousand dollars in 2012.
*The Media Fox News, you say? I say ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR and nearly every newspaper. Talk Radio you say? The Fairness Doctrine will silence dissenting voices in talk radio.
*Control of the floodgates of illegal immigrants, who vote 2 to 1 Democrat. Yes, they vote. and Democrats oppose the "draconian" requirement of an ID card to vote.
*Labor Unions. They support Card Check which eliminates secret ballot voting in unions.
*Total control of teachers unions. (think social studies)
*15,000,000 federal employees and counting. How does a conservative run on cutting government when such a huge portion of the population will fear for their jobs and vote against them.
I voted against Obama. But now I do take solace in the silver-lining: Racial healing. May forever more, the words of racists like Reverend Jeremiah Wright ring hollow to black youth, and the youth of every other race. May the coming generation now see that, whatever vestiges of institutional may racism remain, YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING IN AMERICA.
Truly this is a testament to the greatness of this country. Has there ever been a society in the history of the earth, where a once slave class later produced an elected leader?
That the Democrats do not wish for. True, they didn't quite get to the 60 seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate, but it shouldn't be any problem swaying a few Republicans with Bridges To Nowhere and seats on the really cool committees.
The party of big government soundly defeated the other party of big government.
Too bad for those of us who think the government is getting dangerously big. 15 million people are employed by, and have a vested interest in an the size and power of, the federal government, let alone state and local.
As opposed to cherry-picked global-warming-is-a-hoax "facts"?
Yes. AND as opposed to *not* cherry picking facts, but presenting them in as unbiased a manner as possible. Which was the point I made, glad to see you did not argue with it.
Of the 19 recognized polar bear subpopulations, 5 are declining, 5 are stable, 2 are increasing, and 7 have insufficient data.
Here's some insight into how the media works. Did they report on the the 5 subpopulations that were INCREASING or DECREASING?
If they were fair, they'd've concluded the jury is still out and wait for more data to come in. But they didn't. They cherry-picked facts to fit the "man is evil" and "climate change is an URGENT" matter narratives.
So was this also a problem for you from 2000 to 2006
Invalid comparison. The Republicans never approached the crucial filibuster proof majority. But you already new that:
have broken all filibuster records since the Democrats back the Senate in 2006.
You obviously assume I'm some Republican. No, I'm simply fearful of so much power in the hands of so few. I guess that makes me an Overrated Troll, sad. BTW I've never voted Republican in my life.
pro-life Democrats, big business Democrats, environmentalist Democrats, and one socialist
So you really think there's going to be some kind break-away group of Democrats that will go against their party to provide some check on it's power? Man, I hate to call names, but that's just naive.
Which is the only way we're going to have change.
We WON'T have change! The Republicans grew the goverment at a record pace, you think that's going to CHANGE under the Democrats?????
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Flamebait, eh?
All I've done is point out the basic argument of environmentalists on this topic.
Not only will he lower sea levels in the long run, ;)
but in the short term, he can teach them to walk on water.
...Right?
Right!
Rising ocean levels *proves* that *man* causes rising ocean levels.
Your logic is inescapable.
So why are Maldivians packing their bags?
Don't they know that the Democrats now have total control of the US government
and will sign the Kyoto Protocol, thus lowering sea levels?
... given the fact that they treat their customers like criminals
I'm sorry, that commented has invalidated your $100 Rebate.
Best Buy now has a monopoly.
I'm both of them will use their power only for good and lower prices across the board.
And yes,
Kinda like Jerkit Sh*tty, the Republicans sucked at their jobs and deserved to go bankrupt in the last election.
The point is that his argument is completely non-scientific
I'll respond by quoting my own post which you did not read too carefully:
State of Fear had hundreds of footnotes referencing the 3rd IPCC and actual scientific studies from actual scientists.
PLEASE Pick up the novel from the library. Read the introduction, skip past the entire 600 or so pages of the mediocre story and read the author's notes, the appendices and the scores of footnotes from scientific journals and other sources in the Bibliography.
If he's so full of b.s., and your faith is so strong, what have you got to fear?
that pre-dates any scaremongering.
So you acknowledge that scaremongering is going on.
Thank you for the intellectual honesty on that point.
Saying X group of people feed in fear is nonsensical.
Not if it's true.
To this point and your point that their existed some unimpeachable proof of anthropic global warming before scaremongers ran with it:
Chrichton's footnotes scores of cases where environmentalists (and he's/I'm talking about the religious wing here) exaggerated and distorted the evidence, which is *not* incontrovertible to begin with.
If you want me to back it up, I refer you to his book and the hundreds of secondary sources he sties. most of them scientific journals.
After all that, I'll remind you that my primary point was to highlight the wickedness of the posts of the good green folks delighting at the man's death.
Notice how most of the posts mocking, belittling and having fun with the man's death are coming from the "How dare he question Global Warming" crowd.
State of Fear had hundreds of footnotes referencing the 3rd IPCC and actual scientific studies from actual scientists.
Regardless your view on Global Warming, he has a valid point in the book:
*Enviornmentalists feed on fear.
*The media feeds on fear.
*Politicians feed on fear.
Results in
*Echo chamber effect.
It's hard to get elected saying or to get a story on the news about how: "The sky is NOT falling, or not falling that fast, or it's not our fault that it's falling".
Apparently that is all it takes to get the altruistic, gentle Green movement dancing on your grave.
McCain voter points out that electing the first black president will be positive for race relations and gets modded Troll????
Riiiiiight.
it concerns me that President Elect Obama received around 97% of the African American vote
Blacks voted solely on race in this election and I don't blame them.
However, it *will* concern me if he gets that number in the *next* election.
97% reflects the desire to bring on this euphoric milestone of a post-racial society.
I was watching Fox News when they called it for Obama last night.
I teared up with Juan Williams as he emoted about what this meant to him and this country.
Now that this threshold has been crossed, I'm hoping blacks will feel free to vote issues *not* race in future elections.
We will see.
Correction: the deck chairs on the Hindenburg. /colbert
That's why Colbert get's paid big bucks and I'm trolling for Funny points on slashdot.
Does anyone else see a path back to power for conservatives?
I don't
Democrats have:
*Almost total control of all 3 branches
*Socialism is addictive
This time Obama promised $1,000, in other people's money, to tens of millions of Americans.
How does any conservative run on undoing that?
Those millions will vote for Obama again when he promises to *two* thousand dollars in 2012.
*The Media
Fox News, you say?
I say ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR and nearly every newspaper.
Talk Radio you say? The Fairness Doctrine will silence dissenting voices in talk radio.
*Control of the floodgates of illegal immigrants, who vote 2 to 1 Democrat.
Yes, they vote. and Democrats oppose the "draconian" requirement of an ID card to vote.
*Labor Unions. They support Card Check which eliminates secret ballot voting in unions.
*Total control of teachers unions. (think social studies)
*15,000,000 federal employees and counting.
How does a conservative run on cutting government when such a huge portion of the population will fear for their jobs and vote against them.
A man is *not* entitled to the sweat of his brow.
(I need to lay off the Bioshock) ;)
I voted against Obama.
But now I do take solace in the silver-lining:
Racial healing.
May forever more, the words of racists like Reverend Jeremiah Wright ring hollow to black youth, and the youth of every other race.
May the coming generation now see that, whatever vestiges of institutional may racism remain, YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING IN AMERICA.
Truly this is a testament to the greatness of this country. Has there ever been a society in the history of the earth, where a once slave class later produced an elected leader?
A bright silver-lining indeed!
That the Democrats do not wish for.
True, they didn't quite get to the 60 seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate, but it shouldn't be any problem swaying a few Republicans with Bridges To Nowhere and seats on the really cool committees.
The party of big government soundly defeated the other party of big government.
Too bad for those of us who think the government is getting dangerously big.
15 million people are employed by, and have a vested interest in an the size and power of, the federal government, let alone state and local.
Thoroughly, and decisively, re-arranged.
I think the government is getting dangerously big.
I want smaller government.
Therefore, I don't have a vote.
Vote Republican you say? LOL!
The Repub's oversaw the largest expansion in spending in history.
Vote third party you say? ROFL!
We have a two party duopoly headed for a one party monopoly.
my teacher who, seriously, spoke with a lisp.
I'm FOURTY!!!!!
Disclaimer: Slashdotter's are not obligated to recognize sports references.
As opposed to cherry-picked global-warming-is-a-hoax "facts"?
Yes.
AND as opposed to *not* cherry picking facts, but presenting them in as unbiased a manner as possible.
Which was the point I made, glad to see you did not argue with it.
Remember the media hysteria over polar bear populations?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear#Population_and_distribution
Of the 19 recognized polar bear subpopulations, 5 are declining, 5 are stable, 2 are increasing, and 7 have insufficient data.
Here's some insight into how the media works.
Did they report on the the 5 subpopulations that were INCREASING or DECREASING?
If they were fair, they'd've concluded the jury is still out and wait for more data to come in.
But they didn't.
They cherry-picked facts to fit the "man is evil" and "climate change is an URGENT" matter narratives.
I'll be voting Slightly Silly right down the line!
So was this also a problem for you from 2000 to 2006
Invalid comparison. The Republicans never approached the crucial filibuster proof majority.
But you already new that:
have broken all filibuster records since the Democrats back the Senate in 2006.
You obviously assume I'm some Republican.
No, I'm simply fearful of so much power in the hands of so few. I guess that makes me an Overrated Troll, sad.
BTW I've never voted Republican in my life.
pro-life Democrats, big business Democrats, environmentalist Democrats, and one socialist
So you really think there's going to be some kind break-away group of Democrats that will go against their party to provide some check on it's power? Man, I hate to call names, but that's just naive.
Which is the only way we're going to have change.
We WON'T have change! The Republicans grew the goverment at a record pace, you think that's going to CHANGE under the Democrats?????
A vote for Obama is a vote for FAR more a vote for than him as a candidate.
It is a vote to give a group of politicians (in this case Democrats) TOTAL POWER.
We are staring down the barrel of a unchecked-and-unbalanced, filibuster-proof majority for one party.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/27/MNMC13LJ78.DTL
Last time this happened, was the Carter administration.
Do you really want to give THAT kind of power to a few hundred people?