You see, it's like this:
* You ride in a cab and then jump out without paying once you get to your destination
* While you were in the cab you were a customer "Hey, don't take 22nd St, it's always a mess this time of day" (ie, the customer is always right)
* Once you jump out of the cab without paying you're a pirate "Argh, matey, try to catch me now, you scurvy dawg" (works with or without the eyepatch)
So you see, even if you are a pirate you can also be considered a customer.
Sorry the analogy sucks (cabs are one of the few times you pay after the service is performed) but I thought this thread desperately needed a car analogy.
That classification is also flawed. What if people sometimes pay, sometimes pirate? You can classify the activity, but not the person.
OK, paying customers, non-paying customers and occasionally-paying customers.
Trying to separate the activity from the person who performs the activity is disingenuous, IMHO. The activity will not occur on its own - it requires the person to perform it.
Because pirates already *are* customers. Classifying the world into 'criminal' pirates and paying customers is idiotic
Exactly. They should be classifying them into paying customers and non-paying customers. Then they could gear their new store toward the paying customers in order to sales goals.
The file-hosting service Rapidshare is seeking major entertainment industry partners for an online store
If they are in fact pirates then trying to setup a store for them is probably a waste of time. Though I must commend them for nicely putting everything in one location and inviting pirates to come for a visit. Rocket surgery, indeed.
What I just described as the engine of a Yugo is, in reality, probably closer to the complexity of a Ferrari's engine... just think of it as taking up a metaphorical parking spot for my analogy.
Everyone's needs are different, and there are going to be different solutions for those needs. If NoSQL isn't for you then just don't use it (don't spend any time learning it, try it out, running a site with it, etc, etc). I don't have a need for it yet, but we do all sorts of sites and programming so who knows if it will be the right solution for one of our future projects? I won't unless I learn about it, test it and get my hands dirty with it.
And as far as it being 'a product of the braindead and buzzword-infested effluents of the American "education" system, where nobody understands math or logic', I don't care if it came from the bottom of a well in the middle of a jungle where they are masters of logic and math, if it could possibly meet my client's needs then I'm going to give it the time and attention it takes to make the decision for myself.
I don't know how they could have not figured this out ahead of time. All they needed to do was search for how to build a great search engine and they would have gotten about 280,000,000 results.
Sure you can! I saw it in a movie once! AND, the geek was able to tap into the air traffic control, credit card bureaus, all the police cars, the President's phone and an alien space ship with their Mac!
But the Mac was running Linux via VMWare, so it was really Linux that saved us all... and fixed my credit score.
is why electricity costs money. It is just electrons, which are everywhere.
Electricity is free, it's the packaging and delivery that costs money. Just like water that comes out of the faucet, or comes in a plastic bottle, it's the getting it to you part that is expensive. Yes, yes, I know it's an inaccurate oversimplification... just think of it as a metaphor.
Feel free to use all the free electricity (or water) that you can grab and take home. Heck, you can take mine too, if you can carry it.
Anyone that disagrees either does not understand the importance of using open and free technologies to power the Internet (imagine what would happen if HTML was patent-encumbered as H.264 is!) or a simple troll that has a motivation for him and/or his company to control the web.
So if I disagree I'm either stupid or greedy? I'm all for open software, but until the zealots make their software as good as their arguments are aggressive it's not going to come close to commercial software. Not everyone is willing to go without just so open software can seem equal.
There is a lot of very good open source software, and a lot of mediocre and incomplete open source software, too. If 'open and free' was enough then open source software would be king and commercial software would be trying to catch up, but that's just not the case.
The issue may be solved for you, but for most of the rest of the world things aren't as black & white.
how the they both be equal when MPEG-LA has already announced that they will seek all users, (end users, software distributors, and hardware people ) will each required to buy a license to view H.264
2016? 2016? By then there will be at least one - if not more - different video format that we'll be arguing about. Things are moving fast on the intertubes (except for the W3C) so I'm not worried about 2016. Technology will surpass itself given enough motive or profitability.
you have perhaps put a rash need to appear witty above the more significant issue
It looks like you're not satisfied what he or I had to say about this matter. I think it's a safe assumption that none of the three of us probably gives a crap what the others think or say.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
I'm heading off to the next story. I hear there's some China bashing going on. Meet you there.
Yes. A proof of concept attack has been demoed during the CanSecWest conference. It showed how an attacker can remotely shutdown or wake up his victim’s machine, and fully compromise a COTS operating system machine (Linux for the demo, but all operating systems are vulnerable).
The co-founder of Yelpy McScumbags denies they were acting illegally? What else would you expect him to say, "Yes, we were committing extortion, but we needed to generate more advertising, but hard work & ethical business practices just weren't getting us as much revenue as we wanted"?
Read the original stories about Yelp's tactics and practices. I can only hope they end up with both civil judgements and criminal convictions.
I don't think anybody has their heads in their asses on this one--each side of the discussion has legitimate points.
But IPv6 is coming whether they like it or not. There's no stopping it, and the closer we get to the available IPv4 pool drying up the less time they'll have to implement IPv6.
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Explain how pirates are customers?
You see, it's like this:
* You ride in a cab and then jump out without paying once you get to your destination
* While you were in the cab you were a customer "Hey, don't take 22nd St, it's always a mess this time of day" (ie, the customer is always right)
* Once you jump out of the cab without paying you're a pirate "Argh, matey, try to catch me now, you scurvy dawg" (works with or without the eyepatch)
So you see, even if you are a pirate you can also be considered a customer.
Sorry the analogy sucks (cabs are one of the few times you pay after the service is performed) but I thought this thread desperately needed a car analogy.
That classification is also flawed. What if people sometimes pay, sometimes pirate? You can classify the activity, but not the person.
OK, paying customers, non-paying customers and occasionally-paying customers.
Trying to separate the activity from the person who performs the activity is disingenuous, IMHO. The activity will not occur on its own - it requires the person to perform it.
Because pirates already *are* customers. Classifying the world into 'criminal' pirates and paying customers is idiotic
Exactly. They should be classifying them into paying customers and non-paying customers. Then they could gear their new store toward the paying customers in order to sales goals.
The file-hosting service Rapidshare is seeking major entertainment industry partners for an online store
If they are in fact pirates then trying to setup a store for them is probably a waste of time. Though I must commend them for nicely putting everything in one location and inviting pirates to come for a visit. Rocket surgery, indeed.
Sure ...
... just think of it as taking up a metaphorical parking spot for my analogy.
What I just described as the engine of a Yugo is, in reality, probably closer to the complexity of a Ferrari's engine
"Computer do my job for me please"
[HAL] Certainly, Small Furry Creature ... would you like fries with that? [/HAL]
I think this would have been better if you'd used a car analogy ... maybe something with hose clamps?
Let me be the first to say whoosh .
Everyone's needs are different, and there are going to be different solutions for those needs. If NoSQL isn't for you then just don't use it (don't spend any time learning it, try it out, running a site with it, etc, etc). I don't have a need for it yet, but we do all sorts of sites and programming so who knows if it will be the right solution for one of our future projects? I won't unless I learn about it, test it and get my hands dirty with it.
And as far as it being 'a product of the braindead and buzzword-infested effluents of the American "education" system, where nobody understands math or logic', I don't care if it came from the bottom of a well in the middle of a jungle where they are masters of logic and math, if it could possibly meet my client's needs then I'm going to give it the time and attention it takes to make the decision for myself.
I don't know how they could have not figured this out ahead of time. All they needed to do was search for how to build a great search engine and they would have gotten about 280,000,000 results.
Sure you can! I saw it in a movie once! AND, the geek was able to tap into the air traffic control, credit card bureaus, all the police cars, the President's phone and an alien space ship with their Mac!
But the Mac was running Linux via VMWare, so it was really Linux that saved us all ... and fixed my credit score.
is why electricity costs money. It is just electrons, which are everywhere.
Electricity is free, it's the packaging and delivery that costs money. Just like water that comes out of the faucet, or comes in a plastic bottle, it's the getting it to you part that is expensive. Yes, yes, I know it's an inaccurate oversimplification ... just think of it as a metaphor.
Feel free to use all the free electricity (or water) that you can grab and take home. Heck, you can take mine too, if you can carry it.
When Thom Holwerda speaks, I LISTEN.
I had no idea you, um, he was related to E. F. Hutton. Thanks for the update.
Anyone that disagrees either does not understand the importance of using open and free technologies to power the Internet (imagine what would happen if HTML was patent-encumbered as H.264 is!) or a simple troll that has a motivation for him and/or his company to control the web.
So if I disagree I'm either stupid or greedy? I'm all for open software, but until the zealots make their software as good as their arguments are aggressive it's not going to come close to commercial software. Not everyone is willing to go without just so open software can seem equal.
There is a lot of very good open source software, and a lot of mediocre and incomplete open source software, too. If 'open and free' was enough then open source software would be king and commercial software would be trying to catch up, but that's just not the case.
The issue may be solved for you, but for most of the rest of the world things aren't as black & white.
But in this case, the so-called Free solution is the wrong choice to make.
Will the aliens (or Apple personnel) who have kidnapped please return him unharmed.
how the they both be equal when MPEG-LA has already announced that they will seek all users, (end users, software distributors, and hardware people ) will each required to buy a license to view H.264
2016? 2016? By then there will be at least one - if not more - different video format that we'll be arguing about. Things are moving fast on the intertubes (except for the W3C) so I'm not worried about 2016. Technology will surpass itself given enough motive or profitability.
It's all very well standing around hinting what a huge penis you have, but sooner or later you're going to have to pull down your pants.
Can you please use that in a car analogy?
I expect a more nuanced response to his denial
you have perhaps put a rash need to appear witty above the more significant issue
It looks like you're not satisfied what he or I had to say about this matter. I think it's a safe assumption that none of the three of us probably gives a crap what the others think or say.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
I'm heading off to the next story. I hear there's some China bashing going on. Meet you there.
Censorship Program? That sounds like some kind of opt-in add-on to their internet service. I don't think I'll be signing up for that one.
3. Is there a proof of concept?
Yes. A proof of concept attack has been demoed during the CanSecWest conference. It showed how an attacker can remotely shutdown or wake up his victim’s machine, and fully compromise a COTS operating system machine (Linux for the demo, but all operating systems are vulnerable).
Hey, at least it's Linux compatible!
Dude, I think you forgot to change your decoder ring from "I'm high" to "Slashdot". Please check the setting s and try posting again.
Blackmail is not extortion.
Maybe so, but they are both sides of the same coin ... and we'd appreciate it very much if you'd give that coin to us .
So they were not extorting, they just wrote an algorithm that does the extortion for them.
Isn't that what Madoff and his programmers claimed?
The co-founder of Yelpy McScumbags denies they were acting illegally? What else would you expect him to say, "Yes, we were committing extortion, but we needed to generate more advertising, but hard work & ethical business practices just weren't getting us as much revenue as we wanted"?
Read the original stories about Yelp's tactics and practices. I can only hope they end up with both civil judgements and criminal convictions.
I don't think anybody has their heads in their asses on this one--each side of the discussion has legitimate points.
But IPv6 is coming whether they like it or not. There's no stopping it, and the closer we get to the available IPv4 pool drying up the less time they'll have to implement IPv6.
Sh!t or get off the pot? It's time to do both.