I got used to it. Apart from a few niggles, it's really grown on me, and -shock- I actually find myself moving around more quickly, and more importantly more intelligently. I've always used multiple desktops, but in gnome it's all about that. I think more about which desktop I want the windows on *before* I open a window, rather than just open more and more with keyboard shortcuts until I've got terminals everywhere and can't remember where I put half of them. A couple of niggles though:
1) Stop moving the icons in the notification area around when the mouse goes near them. If you slightly move the mouse to the icon next to it, the one you were aiming at jumps. it's very annoying and totally breaks Fitt's Law.
2) If you close the empathy window, now the status icon is gone, you have to start the app up again to get a contact list of who is online. The proposed desktop contact search thing doesn't just show you who's online. A drop-down menu like the accessibility menu would be far more useful
3) Make it possible to configure animation speeds. A bit of movement shows you were the windows came from, but I don't need it to take 0.75 seconds. A very quick ZOOM would be perfect.
In all, I'm glad I stuck with it and got over the initial "WHAAAAH, WHERE'S THE TASKBAR!!?!!?!?" temper tantrums that everyone was having. You really don't need it.
at download festival, possibly due to one too many beers, I fell asleep in my canvas chair listening to System of a Down. Not sure how much of that I should attribute to the music:-)
I guess. Then again, if your blocks in python are more than 3 or 4 lines long, then you're probably doing something wrong. It's referred to derogatively in python-land as "potato programming". Stuff like functools/itertools and list comprehensions are useful for avoiding "indent hell" where the indent becomes longer than the page and you start to lose track of where it all started. I hardly ever use if/for statements. It tries to encourage you to use it as a functional language rather than a procedural one.
I've never used desktop icons. My windows are in the way. You have to move the window out of the way, click on it, then presumably move the window back again. I've always pinned my icons to the taskbar, or the thing on the left in gnome 3. Usually I start up applications via alt-f2 anyway. Not sure why people would miss it:-)
How is gnome 3 anything even remotely like windows? Windows has a taskbar. Gnome has zooming/search + the alt-` behavior. Windows has it all in a pop-up menu like fluxbox. Gnome-3 bravely got rid of the taskbar. If you're looking for a window, try the meta key and start typing. 3 letters is usually sufficient and a lot quicker than grabbing the mouse, a-la pop-up menus. Windows and fluxbox have desktop icons. Gnome 3 got rid of them (never used them anyway.. the desktop is where I put my windows. They're a waste of time).
It's just different. The amount of time I save being able to find stuff, especially since making much more use of multiple desktops than I used to is significant. If you want something that behaves exactly like the old days, go to the store, get windows, etc.
when I was learning c++, i had a copy of stroustrup, and got nowhere with it. Then I printed out the entire c++ FAQ and read it on various bus trips. It actually explains it like an FAQ should. Then I went back to stroustrup and was able to understand it.
I actually use gnome 3 at work (for millions of windows management) and KDE4 at home, namely because I'm a demoscener in my part time, and I think kdevelop 4 is the most innovative IDE I have ever used. The syntactic highlighting and code generation tools are genius.
Am I the only person in the universe who likes gnome 3?
I'm a sysadmin, so I usually have millions of windows open at once, and I've always been looking for ways to find the bloody one I'm after. I'm often in the middle of programming something when something urgent comes up, and I'm too lazy to switch to a new desktop so I just fire up a few more windows, then I always put my computer in standby every night (to keep my code open and remind myself what I was doing the following morning) until about twice a week I go about purging windows.
People complained about KDE4 because you couldn't put icons on the desktop. Instead that panel. Well, you could make it full-screen, but to me it was never a problem. If I have screen space available, I tend to put windows in it. Linus Torvalds talking about the number of mouse clicks to open a terminal hit two nerves for me:
1) To click an icon on the desktop, I would first have to stop using the keyboard and reach for the mouse
2) I would then have to drag possibly more than on window out of the way, possibly into some docs in another one I might be reading whilst I'm typing into another
3) I stopped having a backdrop image years ago for this reason.
So then there's the taskbar.
I used ION for a couple of years. I really liked it. It's a tiling window manager, but it uses "managed tiling"., KDE 4.5 gave us unmanaged tiling. It also gave us stacking, but the two don't work together. MASSIVE BUG. I want 5 windows on top of eachother in a tile, and well, people like the auto-tiling.. I don't.. it's unpredictable. it resizes your windows.
What I liked about ION is you created a tile, or at least moved your cursor to the tile you want your window in, THEN open the window, rather than opening the window and seeing where it turns up. WHY? because that 1.5 seconds of thought made me put it in the right place then it stuffed it into my short term memory and I could always remember where I put it.
Taskbar redundant.
Gnome3 tries to solve it by zooming out and clicking on the window. problem unless you have a very high res monitor is you can't tell one terminal from another. That will be resolved in time, but the taskbar has failed for me. "group windows by task" makes it worse. I'm a sysadmin. I've got 20 windows open.
I stopped using ION when the author started being a dick with the GPL and having an utterly uninformed opinion of antialiasing ("If monitors have the resolution of printers, then I would use antialiasing. If you want your fonts dragged through mud, use windows". Firstly, printers use floyd-steinburg dithering. They don't have shades of colour. They use very high resolution dithering for colour. Secondly, monitors do have shades. you increase resolution by antialiasing).
KDE 4.5 introduced stacking and tiling.
The tiling is auto-tiling. There's many who like the auto-tiling approach of WMs such as "awesome". I hate it. it's unpredictable. I would rather create the tile then put the window in it. It also has stacking, which awesome doesn't have. ION allowed you to put many windows in one tile. KDE has a MASSIVE BUG. tiling and stacking don't work together! and it forces you to put all terminals into one stack!!
KDE: either get more like ION for tiling, or allow zooming for gnome 3 users. some people like desktop icons and stuff. If I want to *click* on a terminal, I'll put it on the taskbar. I get that. So do you. Just do something for us who appreciate that the taskbar has failed. new era.
Well, although I enjoyed the recent remix of Dr Who, I'm no fan, and no expert. I read in private eye today a cartoon about the director general being mobbed by Dr Who fans, so I'm guessing there's more to it than just Stephen Moffat taking a break. (Stephen Moffat also wrote "coupling" btw). But I should clarify the point. Fifteen to one cost nothing to make. There was no reason to take it off air except that Channel 4 needed to appeal to another market. The BBC's mandate is for numbers, not revenue.
Dr Who, or any show with a plot hits your screens for 2 6-episode series at best, and even then, when it comes to fiction, occasionally you run out of ideas and have to give it a decade before you do a "reboot", which is what happened with Dr Who. The Silvestor McCoy Dr Who was *really* cheesy. watchable, but I got tired of it at the young age I was. The best bit about it was that the girl was no longer a wimp. (remember Bonnie Langord?:-)). The BBC has a lot to do to improve, and the budget cuts don't help. Especially as they're prepared to pay £450 a day for my mate to work there doing IT. Get some permies in for fucks sake.
American TV has "second season syndrome". If a series does really well, the investors want 2 more seasons at least. The second season of the blockbuster series us usually shit. The BBC are happy to say "that's the end of the story, lets do something new".
I was trying to put it into terms that make sense to Americans.. It's BBC Trust run, although it is the state that mandates we pay for a TV license even if we only watch ITV (which would involve 'what Katie did next', and I wouldn't pay for that shit!)
Didn't Stephen Moffat take a rest from script writing? That show takes time to make. You can't just pump out endless episodes. Getting 15 guys to answer general knowledge questions on the other hand. That can run and run.
haha.. I'm a private eye subscriber! But you're right.. it's impossible to tell the two apart:-) Perhaps one of them should try developing a personality. Maybe we should contact them on here, because they obviously have slashdot accounts.
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I got used to it. Apart from a few niggles, it's really grown on me, and -shock- I actually find myself moving around more quickly, and more importantly more intelligently. I've always used multiple desktops, but in gnome it's all about that. I think more about which desktop I want the windows on *before* I open a window, rather than just open more and more with keyboard shortcuts until I've got terminals everywhere and can't remember where I put half of them. A couple of niggles though:
1) Stop moving the icons in the notification area around when the mouse goes near them. If you slightly move the mouse to the icon next to it, the one you were aiming at jumps. it's very annoying and totally breaks Fitt's Law.
2) If you close the empathy window, now the status icon is gone, you have to start the app up again to get a contact list of who is online. The proposed desktop contact search thing doesn't just show you who's online. A drop-down menu like the accessibility menu would be far more useful
3) Make it possible to configure animation speeds. A bit of movement shows you were the windows came from, but I don't need it to take 0.75 seconds. A very quick ZOOM would be perfect.
In all, I'm glad I stuck with it and got over the initial "WHAAAAH, WHERE'S THE TASKBAR!!?!!?!?" temper tantrums that everyone was having. You really don't need it.
at download festival, possibly due to one too many beers, I fell asleep in my canvas chair listening to System of a Down. Not sure how much of that I should attribute to the music :-)
I guess. Then again, if your blocks in python are more than 3 or 4 lines long, then you're probably doing something wrong. It's referred to derogatively in python-land as "potato programming". Stuff like functools/itertools and list comprehensions are useful for avoiding "indent hell" where the indent becomes longer than the page and you start to lose track of where it all started. I hardly ever use if/for statements. It tries to encourage you to use it as a functional language rather than a procedural one.
http://www.secnetix.de/olli/Python/block_indentation.hawk
don't you indent your code? The position is implied, even in perl. If you're indenting properly, then the closing brace becomes redundant.
I checked the release schedule.
First alpha: 2045
Second alpha: 3110
First beta: shortly before the north american continent collides with the asian continent
Second beta: approximately around the time of inteplanetary space travel
Release candidate 1: Dolphins have evolved fingers
Release:candidate 2: Human race enslaved by dolphins
Release: Universe dies of heat death
python isn't. colon starts a block. unindent ends the block. you can indent with what you like.
erm.. how about "Richie provided the food, and Jobs ate it and did the poop"?
I've never used desktop icons. My windows are in the way. You have to move the window out of the way, click on it, then presumably move the window back again. I've always pinned my icons to the taskbar, or the thing on the left in gnome 3. Usually I start up applications via alt-f2 anyway. Not sure why people would miss it :-)
If cockroaches can live for up to nine days without their heads, what's the point of them having heads in the first place?
Not that you're a biologist or anything. I just want to know :-)
How is gnome 3 anything even remotely like windows? Windows has a taskbar. Gnome has zooming/search + the alt-` behavior. Windows has it all in a pop-up menu like fluxbox. Gnome-3 bravely got rid of the taskbar. If you're looking for a window, try the meta key and start typing. 3 letters is usually sufficient and a lot quicker than grabbing the mouse, a-la pop-up menus. Windows and fluxbox have desktop icons. Gnome 3 got rid of them (never used them anyway.. the desktop is where I put my windows. They're a waste of time).
It's just different. The amount of time I save being able to find stuff, especially since making much more use of multiple desktops than I used to is significant. If you want something that behaves exactly like the old days, go to the store, get windows, etc.
I guess you use your mouse more than I do.
aaargh! you found my twitter feed!
Seriously. If their government don't want to use the internet, then they can fuck off.
when I was learning c++, i had a copy of stroustrup, and got nowhere with it. Then I printed out the entire c++ FAQ and read it on various bus trips. It actually explains it like an FAQ should. Then I went back to stroustrup and was able to understand it.
WOW, I've found 3 people who like it!
I actually use gnome 3 at work (for millions of windows management) and KDE4 at home, namely because I'm a demoscener in my part time, and I think kdevelop 4 is the most innovative IDE I have ever used. The syntactic highlighting and code generation tools are genius.
"Linus Torvalds... hit two nerves with me"
1) ;just top save you all being smartasses!
2)
3)
Am I the only person in the universe who likes gnome 3?
I'm a sysadmin, so I usually have millions of windows open at once, and I've always been looking for ways to find the bloody one I'm after. I'm often in the middle of programming something when something urgent comes up, and I'm too lazy to switch to a new desktop so I just fire up a few more windows, then I always put my computer in standby every night (to keep my code open and remind myself what I was doing the following morning) until about twice a week I go about purging windows.
People complained about KDE4 because you couldn't put icons on the desktop. Instead that panel. Well, you could make it full-screen, but to me it was never a problem. If I have screen space available, I tend to put windows in it. Linus Torvalds talking about the number of mouse clicks to open a terminal hit two nerves for me:
1) To click an icon on the desktop, I would first have to stop using the keyboard and reach for the mouse
2) I would then have to drag possibly more than on window out of the way, possibly into some docs in another one I might be reading whilst I'm typing into another
3) I stopped having a backdrop image years ago for this reason.
So then there's the taskbar.
I used ION for a couple of years. I really liked it. It's a tiling window manager, but it uses "managed tiling"., KDE 4.5 gave us unmanaged tiling. It also gave us stacking, but the two don't work together. MASSIVE BUG. I want 5 windows on top of eachother in a tile, and well, people like the auto-tiling.. I don't.. it's unpredictable. it resizes your windows.
What I liked about ION is you created a tile, or at least moved your cursor to the tile you want your window in, THEN open the window, rather than opening the window and seeing where it turns up. WHY? because that 1.5 seconds of thought made me put it in the right place then it stuffed it into my short term memory and I could always remember where I put it.
Taskbar redundant.
Gnome3 tries to solve it by zooming out and clicking on the window. problem unless you have a very high res monitor is you can't tell one terminal from another. That will be resolved in time, but the taskbar has failed for me. "group windows by task" makes it worse. I'm a sysadmin. I've got 20 windows open.
I stopped using ION when the author started being a dick with the GPL and having an utterly uninformed opinion of antialiasing ("If monitors have the resolution of printers, then I would use antialiasing. If you want your fonts dragged through mud, use windows". Firstly, printers use floyd-steinburg dithering. They don't have shades of colour. They use very high resolution dithering for colour. Secondly, monitors do have shades. you increase resolution by antialiasing).
KDE 4.5 introduced stacking and tiling.
The tiling is auto-tiling. There's many who like the auto-tiling approach of WMs such as "awesome". I hate it. it's unpredictable. I would rather create the tile then put the window in it. It also has stacking, which awesome doesn't have. ION allowed you to put many windows in one tile. KDE has a MASSIVE BUG. tiling and stacking don't work together! and it forces you to put all terminals into one stack!!
KDE: either get more like ION for tiling, or allow zooming for gnome 3 users. some people like desktop icons and stuff. If I want to *click* on a terminal, I'll put it on the taskbar. I get that. So do you. Just do something for us who appreciate that the taskbar has failed. new era.
Yeah, and their bank balance. And I thought our £2 million SSD database cluster was expensive..
yes, it's fascist, but it results in a surprisingly liberal news channel!
I just want to clarify.. I'm under 40, I have a job, and I can walk without apparatus. I do NOT watch fifteen to one :-)
Well, although I enjoyed the recent remix of Dr Who, I'm no fan, and no expert. I read in private eye today a cartoon about the director general being mobbed by Dr Who fans, so I'm guessing there's more to it than just Stephen Moffat taking a break. (Stephen Moffat also wrote "coupling" btw). But I should clarify the point. Fifteen to one cost nothing to make. There was no reason to take it off air except that Channel 4 needed to appeal to another market. The BBC's mandate is for numbers, not revenue. Dr Who, or any show with a plot hits your screens for 2 6-episode series at best, and even then, when it comes to fiction, occasionally you run out of ideas and have to give it a decade before you do a "reboot", which is what happened with Dr Who. The Silvestor McCoy Dr Who was *really* cheesy. watchable, but I got tired of it at the young age I was. The best bit about it was that the girl was no longer a wimp. (remember Bonnie Langord? :-)). The BBC has a lot to do to improve, and the budget cuts don't help. Especially as they're prepared to pay £450 a day for my mate to work there doing IT. Get some permies in for fucks sake.
American TV has "second season syndrome". If a series does really well, the investors want 2 more seasons at least. The second season of the blockbuster series us usually shit. The BBC are happy to say "that's the end of the story, lets do something new".
I was trying to put it into terms that make sense to Americans.. It's BBC Trust run, although it is the state that mandates we pay for a TV license even if we only watch ITV (which would involve 'what Katie did next', and I wouldn't pay for that shit!)
In case you missed the rest of this thread.. Yes.. they're indistinguishable :-D my bad!
Didn't Stephen Moffat take a rest from script writing? That show takes time to make. You can't just pump out endless episodes. Getting 15 guys to answer general knowledge questions on the other hand. That can run and run.
haha.. I'm a private eye subscriber! But you're right.. it's impossible to tell the two apart :-) Perhaps one of them should try developing a personality. Maybe we should contact them on here, because they obviously have slashdot accounts.