They are also about selling training course. The syntax for half of the commands is appalling. RMAN for example with its "copy control file from path1 to path2 whilst patting your head and then write home to your gran" attempt at plain english language is far too obtuse for what it actually does, which isn't much. It copies a control file and then does autobackup. Wow. Didn't need a paragraph of shakespeare.
It's the same throughout. Then they can't even install the software without running a massive java app (I really don't want to go into too much detail about how much time it took to automate Oracle installs...)
And before you ask - we're running the 6th busiest Oracle database in Europe - according to Oracle themselves - running across 4*128 SSD drive arrays at a cost of millions.. and for the 3 or 4 features we need to justify the licenses instead or designing our way out of the same problem, at times I really wonder about the hassle, especially when our data is so important and locked up into such a bloated closed up mess.
That's what got me back into coding. Writing 64k intros. Far more entertaining than the crap that work gives you, but keeps your brain ticking for when you do have to do more mundane coding at work.
Nvidia Quadro is 64-bit precision graphics. Great for computer-aided design and other industries obcessed with precision. But it's 4 times slower than 32 bit geforce if you happen to want to play games (yes, I dual boot and play starcraft 2 occasionally. I also write 64k demos, and for reasons I can't be bothered to explain, they're cross platform and we have to write on windows first to avoid headaches. Windows sucks).
Now you're being funny with me:-) *I* can find a WUXGA laptop! I've got a 5kg lugware alienware laptop under my bed which is now finally out-specced by something lighter 4 years later on my bed which I use to listen to BBC radio 4 on iplayer before I go to sleep when I'm not at home using my desktop:-)
I took a risk when I wrote "discontinued". I browsed dell.co.uk. Maybe in the US you can still get the entire latitude range! I checked and it wasn't even listed here.
There is a possible bright side to this. Apple has bought millions of WUXGA screens they now have to sell. A consortium of laptop manufacturers could just go bigger..
It scares me. One thing going through my head is if the microsoft secureboot lookout thing happens, rather than paying the microsoft tax to get a linux laptop, I fear I may one day have to pay the apple tax, which is a lot more and I've been saying apple are worse than microsoft since itunes.
it's not really gambling when you've got 89 billion to spare. I'm sure any company would like to enter into similar antitrust practices if they had 89 billion.
Well, it's not exactly been immutable over time. I haven't built a server on more than 2 or 3 partitions since there ceased being a point. And 'sbin'. Is that for 'superusers', or is it for 'system'? People disagree.
Then/srv came along to make up for some failings of/var... it's DATA... but it's not constantly changing... then does that mean we put websites under/srv/www only if its files don't change? What if it's a bit of both - split it up? (try getting the developers to get that to work..)
If there is one rule about/usr/local it is this: DO NOT MAKE RPMS THAT WRITE TO IT!!!! (and don't manually put stuff where RPMs are allowed to write, for that matter). Alas too many people do. So that got broken and continues to get broken, and I've had to explain it far too many people.
Yeah. So I turned into an FS nazi to get everyone to follow it exactly so at least we're all on the same page and pasting the docs on it, and 3 years later, most of my colleagues fully understand it. Until a new employee turns up.
Then there's odd ones like/etc/opt, which has its very occasional use, but it's so rarely used that most people don't even believe it's correct when you're using it correctly, so I stopped bothering.
By far the worst problem is the "./configure; make; make install" cycle which works right up until people start doing stuff like/usr/include/qt4 instead of just having/usr,/usr/local or/opt/qt4 as the prefix, which makes farting about with CFLAGS a bit of a chore. So you get stuff like "gtk-config --cflags" which kinda works in the one case of gtk, but it's hardly a "standard". I guess we could use a registry... *ducks*:P
I'm more worried about the loss of sbin (and/usr/sbin) where, although its purpose has morphed over time, it's a great place to put exes that you're NOT supposed to type on the commandline. Like cronjobs, scripts that are called by other scripts, or simply stuff that users shouldn't use or want cluttering their path.
Incidentally, these guys have taken it WAY further:
your opinion. not sure what you mean by running a program more than once - try the middle button. gnome 2 didn't have a usable panel. It had a taskbar cluttered with tasks. The taskbar was a bad overly clicky idea from day one. No desktop? You mean icons on it? I usually fill my screen with windows. Why would I want icons -underneath- my windows? You have to drag them out of the way first.
I agree with you about rhythmbox.. sort of. It needs to be a top-bar menu. They got rid of it and didn't replace it with anything else. Then again, it's still rather beta on gnome3 at present.
I believe that the network woes got mostly fixed in 3.2.
If I wanted to go back to a cluttered taskbar, not being able to find windows, and manually creating extra desktops rather than them just appearing for me when I need them, I would use gnome2.
what always annoyed me is the FUD that anything using 3D hardware is going to be slower. Maybe on a 2nd generation intel laptop model gfx chip, but you'd struggle to buy one. $5 can get you a basic GMA card well capable of it, and once you've offloaded your GFX to something which is -designed- to do that specific job, it's the opposite - it absolutely flies.
As for the "bloat" - people should try running top (or hitting ctrl-esc, since it's KDE). As the above says, QT4 is better than QT3, especially when it comes to memory footprint...
to show just how much Australia bows before its British superiors?
We don't really see Australians as inferior here in Britain. America on the other hand. My rating for a country's population is usually based on the number of elected politicians who believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
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reportedly it works just fine
Not on ATI/AMD it doesn't:-) Fortunately, I upgraded to a chunky great behemoth of an nvidia card last week, so I'm using gnome 3 quite happily. On ATI, it barfs out on login with corrupt graphics whether you use fglrx or the open source driver. I believe the packagers are aware of this.
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I'm not sure why this comment marked as "insightful" since it's been said a thousand times, argued to death, and had alternatives, workarounds, and ad infinitum added to it every time someone near slashdot gets as far as typing the letters "gn"
No. It handles A window. Anything else is a total PITA. You're supposed to have one window, maximized, in front of your self at all times. No glancing at another window for cross-referencing for you!
Bullshit. I'm a sysadmin and regularly have about 20-odd terminals open at a time, several to each desktop. The gnome UI -improves- management of them by improving the way that multiple desktops work. Multiple desktops aren't just a ueful feature in gnome 3, they're fundamental to it. It's also got the various things like dragging window to side of screen makes it maximise to that half, presumably implying that you want at least 2 of them open.
Took me all of about 2 days to get used to it. Now I prefer it massively. The shitty taskbar is gone (always something that needed replacing) and now window searching, various useful keyboard shortcuts for window management, and just being able to find the damn window you're after is in its place.
stop using it or modify their open code to fit your needs
You don't even need to go that far. The desktop itself is basically just a bunch of javascript sitting on top of the shell. Give it a while and there'll be LOADS of gnome spinoffs.
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They are also about selling training course. The syntax for half of the commands is appalling. RMAN for example with its "copy control file from path1 to path2 whilst patting your head and then write home to your gran" attempt at plain english language is far too obtuse for what it actually does, which isn't much. It copies a control file and then does autobackup. Wow. Didn't need a paragraph of shakespeare.
It's the same throughout. Then they can't even install the software without running a massive java app (I really don't want to go into too much detail about how much time it took to automate Oracle installs...)
And before you ask - we're running the 6th busiest Oracle database in Europe - according to Oracle themselves - running across 4*128 SSD drive arrays at a cost of millions.. and for the 3 or 4 features we need to justify the licenses instead or designing our way out of the same problem, at times I really wonder about the hassle, especially when our data is so important and locked up into such a bloated closed up mess.
That's what got me back into coding. Writing 64k intros. Far more entertaining than the crap that work gives you, but keeps your brain ticking for when you do have to do more mundane coding at work.
I hate to add to the flames, but will there be any way to DISABLE the bottom panel? I haven't used or needed one since gnome 3...
in other words, quadro is industry-specific, and specialised. you don't need it and shouldn't pay for it unless you know what it is.
Nvidia Quadro is 64-bit precision graphics. Great for computer-aided design and other industries obcessed with precision. But it's 4 times slower than 32 bit geforce if you happen to want to play games (yes, I dual boot and play starcraft 2 occasionally. I also write 64k demos, and for reasons I can't be bothered to explain, they're cross platform and we have to write on windows first to avoid headaches. Windows sucks).
Now you're being funny with me :-) *I* can find a WUXGA laptop! I've got a 5kg lugware alienware laptop under my bed which is now finally out-specced by something lighter 4 years later on my bed which I use to listen to BBC radio 4 on iplayer before I go to sleep when I'm not at home using my desktop :-)
I took a risk when I wrote "discontinued". I browsed dell.co.uk. Maybe in the US you can still get the entire latitude range! I checked and it wasn't even listed here.
There is a possible bright side to this. Apple has bought millions of WUXGA screens they now have to sell. A consortium of laptop manufacturers could just go bigger..
discontinued.
quadro only. bloody expensive.
find a laptop with a WUXGA screen... which isn't a macbook pro..
It scares me. One thing going through my head is if the microsoft secureboot lookout thing happens, rather than paying the microsoft tax to get a linux laptop, I fear I may one day have to pay the apple tax, which is a lot more and I've been saying apple are worse than microsoft since itunes.
it's not really gambling when you've got 89 billion to spare. I'm sure any company would like to enter into similar antitrust practices if they had 89 billion.
Well, it's not exactly been immutable over time. I haven't built a server on more than 2 or 3 partitions since there ceased being a point. And 'sbin'. Is that for 'superusers', or is it for 'system'? People disagree.
Then /srv came along to make up for some failings of /var... it's DATA... but it's not constantly changing... then does that mean we put websites under /srv/www only if its files don't change? What if it's a bit of both - split it up? (try getting the developers to get that to work..)
If there is one rule about /usr/local it is this: DO NOT MAKE RPMS THAT WRITE TO IT!!!! (and don't manually put stuff where RPMs are allowed to write, for that matter). Alas too many people do. So that got broken and continues to get broken, and I've had to explain it far too many people.
Yeah. So I turned into an FS nazi to get everyone to follow it exactly so at least we're all on the same page and pasting the docs on it, and 3 years later, most of my colleagues fully understand it. Until a new employee turns up.
Then there's odd ones like /etc/opt, which has its very occasional use, but it's so rarely used that most people don't even believe it's correct when you're using it correctly, so I stopped bothering.
By far the worst problem is the "./configure; make; make install" cycle which works right up until people start doing stuff like /usr/include/qt4 instead of just having /usr, /usr/local or /opt/qt4 as the prefix, which makes farting about with CFLAGS a bit of a chore. So you get stuff like "gtk-config --cflags" which kinda works in the one case of gtk, but it's hardly a "standard". I guess we could use a registry... *ducks* :P
I'm more worried about the loss of sbin (and /usr/sbin) where, although its purpose has morphed over time, it's a great place to put exes that you're NOT supposed to type on the commandline. Like cronjobs, scripts that are called by other scripts, or simply stuff that users shouldn't use or want cluttering their path.
Incidentally, these guys have taken it WAY further:
http://www.gobolinux.org/
your opinion. not sure what you mean by running a program more than once - try the middle button. gnome 2 didn't have a usable panel. It had a taskbar cluttered with tasks. The taskbar was a bad overly clicky idea from day one. No desktop? You mean icons on it? I usually fill my screen with windows. Why would I want icons -underneath- my windows? You have to drag them out of the way first.
I agree with you about rhythmbox.. sort of. It needs to be a top-bar menu. They got rid of it and didn't replace it with anything else. Then again, it's still rather beta on gnome3 at present.
I believe that the network woes got mostly fixed in 3.2.
If I wanted to go back to a cluttered taskbar, not being able to find windows, and manually creating extra desktops rather than them just appearing for me when I need them, I would use gnome2.
what always annoyed me is the FUD that anything using 3D hardware is going to be slower. Maybe on a 2nd generation intel laptop model gfx chip, but you'd struggle to buy one. $5 can get you a basic GMA card well capable of it, and once you've offloaded your GFX to something which is -designed- to do that specific job, it's the opposite - it absolutely flies.
As for the "bloat" - people should try running top (or hitting ctrl-esc, since it's KDE). As the above says, QT4 is better than QT3, especially when it comes to memory footprint...
what about encoder?
So it's locked down to four formats. Three of which are patented.
I can't find documentation on how to modify the installed OS to my own requirements (ogg). Therefore, it's locked down.
We don't really see Australians as inferior here in Britain. America on the other hand. My rating for a country's population is usually based on the number of elected politicians who believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
yup..
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Not on ATI/AMD it doesn't :-) Fortunately, I upgraded to a chunky great behemoth of an nvidia card last week, so I'm using gnome 3 quite happily. On ATI, it barfs out on login with corrupt graphics whether you use fglrx or the open source driver. I believe the packagers are aware of this.
I'm not sure why this comment marked as "insightful" since it's been said a thousand times, argued to death, and had alternatives, workarounds, and ad infinitum added to it every time someone near slashdot gets as far as typing the letters "gn"
Try the windows key, then just typing the first few letters of what you're after. Your hand doesn't even have to travel to the mouse! Far quicker.
Bullshit. I'm a sysadmin and regularly have about 20-odd terminals open at a time, several to each desktop. The gnome UI -improves- management of them by improving the way that multiple desktops work. Multiple desktops aren't just a ueful feature in gnome 3, they're fundamental to it. It's also got the various things like dragging window to side of screen makes it maximise to that half, presumably implying that you want at least 2 of them open.
Took me all of about 2 days to get used to it. Now I prefer it massively. The shitty taskbar is gone (always something that needed replacing) and now window searching, various useful keyboard shortcuts for window management, and just being able to find the damn window you're after is in its place.
You don't even need to go that far. The desktop itself is basically just a bunch of javascript sitting on top of the shell. Give it a while and there'll be LOADS of gnome spinoffs.