Links that support my claims are on orevious posts. I win, you lose. Like I said, you can fool the westerner into believing something other than the truth, but WE know what you are, and you can't change that truth.
>Are they? For
what crime? For just existing? That is an outright lie.
Yes, and no. I have provided proof in previous posts of human rights
abuses of which Hindus are victims in Pakistan. Sorry, your propaganda
only works on liberal westerners, not on me.
Hindus are regarded as "Kaffirs" and "Dhimmis" in Pakistan.
Pakistani muslims regard all non-muslims as animals and deserving only
death. Pakistanis love death. I wonder why they wail so much when our
armed forces give it to them.
>Having molten
metal poured into ears is a Hindu punishment for a religious crime, not
a Muslim one
No, my friend. It was invented by Tamurlang, a muslim. Hindus
retaliate, never instigate. We are people, not beasts.
Again, Islamofascist propaganda doesn't work on me. You're wasting your
time, my terrorist sympathizing friend.
>but hey, as long
as you get people riled up against Muslims, it's all
>good, right?
It's about time people learnt the truth about you terrorist
sympathizers and mass murderers.
Support for bin-Laden and al-Qaeda is rampant in Pakistan.
Pakistani schools teach how to hate ("Yahood
aur Hanood ek sikke ke do hisse hain") before they teach how
to read, and Hindus don't harbor suicide bombers.Muslims have murdered over 80 million hindus over the course of their hegemony in South Asia. From Aibak, to Iltutmish, to Babar, mir-Baqr, Aurangzeb and the Bahmanis they have made mountains of Hindu skulls all across the north. During partition the majority of the victims of the riots were Hindus, not muslims:
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/irin/g enocide.html
South Asian muslims spread usury, bribery, Jihad, and how to reproduce by rape.
Now they can't stand the fact that we are free, and they are not.
India is us, you are them.
Now, I am aware that there are remote parts of India where women are mistreated as well. The difference between us and Pakistan is that the atrocities in Pakistan are endorsed by the state (there are clauses in Pakistani Law that can be used to legally commit honor-killings). Local regions in pakistan are run by clansmen and religious mullahs, who harbor terrorists and commit human-rights violations all the time. No Hindu priest has this much political power.
We are a democracy, you are not. It's that simple...
anti-semitism, anti-zionism, racism and xenophobia in pakistan (bttom of TFA)
They're not acting violent in America anymore, they're too scared to, and rightly so.Their violence is primarily in weaker Europe, and, of course, in my own poor but rapidly growing nation.
I agree that American military campaigns have stirred the hornet's nest so to speak, and it has made muslims blow shit up more. However, what the Americans have successfully achieved is taking away the ability of the muslims to attack America any further (which they haven't been able to do,despite their posturings in their propaganda videos), nor will they ever, since the US has clearly shown what it will do to the muslims if they harm Americans again...
The muslims can blow up whatever they want in their own countries, nobody cares. If they do so in mine, we will retaliate, even if our idiotic government is too myopic to do so themselves, which is what we pay them taxes for.
And the Israelis will quickly defeat the Palestinians. Their IDF is significantly superior and more battle-hardened to the terrorists. It is only a matter of time...
So, overall, barring the situation in iraq, America has been successful, as have the Israelis. The only people who are failing against muslims are us bloody Indians, and there are those of us who mean to change that.
Getting muslims rattled is a small price to pay for the security of civilized countries. Don't be such a hopeless liberal please. Hopeless liberals don't see the facts (or maybe they do, but hate conservatives so much that they don't really care, just so long as their ad-hominem attacks keep viewers riveted to the television; most liberals are useless nincompoops anyways) and live in a goody-goody fantasy world of shamrock fields and lotus ponds and pretty butterflies.
TFA before being vandalized: History of Hinduism in Pakistan
See Also: History of Hinduism, Indus Valley Civilization, Vedic civilization
Hinduism, once the main religion in Pakistan, has endured many conquests and invasions, different rulers, and ultimately political separation from the Hindu-majority India. [edit]
Ancient Ages
What is today Pakistan is where the ancient Mehrgarh and Indus Valley Civilization thrived. Various archaeological finds such as what appears to be like a "Pasupati" image that was found on the seals of the people of Mohenjo-daro, in Sindh, point to early influences that may have shaped Hinduism. The Elamo-Dravidian arrived from Eastern Iran and settled in Indus valley. According to a widely prevalent theory, a group of people known as Aryans migrated from regions like Iran or Eastern Europe, crossed the river Sindhu, and mingled with the Dravidians and indigenous people. The religious beliefs and folklore of the Indus valley people have become a major part of the Hindu faith that evolved in this part of the South Asia.
The Sindh kingdom and its rulers play an important role in the Indian epic story of the Mahabharata. In addition, there is the legend that the Pakistani city of Lahore was first founded by Lava, the son of Rama of the Ramayana. The Gandhara kingdom of the Northwest, and the legendary Gandhara peoples are also a major part of Hindu literature such as the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. [edit]
Buddhism
During the reign of Ashoka, Buddhism grew and thrived in the area, especially under the later rule of Kanishka, king of the Kushan Empire. With the ascent of the Gupta Dynasty, many Buddhists were returned to the Hindu fold in India, as Hindus adopted many of the teachings of the Buddha such as non-violence to all life, vegetarianism and proper treatment of fellow men. A substantial Buddhist community that rivalled the Hindus would remain in Pakistan until the Islamic conquests.
Some scholars believe that Vedic Hinduism was never very strong in Pakistan, but records left by scholars like Alberuni, do not provide any such hint. In addition, a large Buddhist population remained in the Punjab and Sindh as Arab invaders attest to having encountered many 'Buddh' statues of gold throughout the region. Due to the nature of the region as a borderland on the edge of South Asia many people more open and receptive to radically different ideologies like Islam and other Semitic faiths. [edit]
Under Islamic and British Rule
People in this region were exposed to Islamic teachings when the country came under the control of Muslim rulers. Though many Hindus voluntarily became Muslims, many Hindus also believe that a large number were forced to become Muslims. Alberuni states in his book, that Hindus who were forced to become Muslims, were not reaccepted into their community, when they escaped to places like Varanasi. He in fact laments, that due to Islamic conquests, many great Hindu scholars left this region. In over one thousand years of Muslim rule in the Punjab and Sindh, the population of Muslims outpaced the growth of Hinduism and Buddhism virtually disappeared, although relationships between people were peaceful and much more friendly than in modern times. Many Muslims still retained many of the traditions and cultural influences of the times when some were a part of the original Hindu population. It was not uncommon at all to hear a Muslim greet a Hindu or another Muslim with the traditional northern Indian greeting of Rama, Rama.
In August 1947, at the end of British Raj, the population percentage of Hindus in what is today Pakistan was perhaps as high as 30-35%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2 % in the years since partition. [edit]
Hinduism and Partition
When Pakistan gained independence in August 1947, over 7 million Hindus and Sikhs from what was East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and Pakistan's Punjab and Sindh provinces left this new state for India, and a similar number
Sure,sure, and Israelis are secretly trying to poison muslims and secrtetly conspire to take over the world, right?
So much for terrorist propaganda. Islamic fundamentalists are victims only in their own minds.
Godhra was a legitimate retaliation for a massacre started by muslims when they set fire to a tain consisting of Hindus, leading to women and children being burnt alive.
Like I said before, muslim mobs murder hindus, we retaliate tenfold. Same as the US did in Afghanistan after 9/11.
I know you muslims hate Hindus. No flaw in that. We all need somebody to hate, and it hasn't been one day in a thousand years when muslims didn't houst a few drinks and attack Hindus on the streets. It gave life meaning to so many of them...
Enjoy yourselves. At this point we are sufficiently powerful and well-connected to not care about what you think.
>Interesting
examples of victorious nations. Israel is known for being >a
bit of a paranoid society and deals with frequent bombings.
Can you blame them? They're a small but prosperous country
surrounded by countries that hate them and want to destroy them.
Pew global statistics reports that anti-semitism in
neighboring Jordan is 100% today...
I'd be paranoid too if I were in their shoes.
>The paranoia is
growing by leaps and bounds in the US.
I think you're exaggerating a bit. Don't believe everything
the liberal media in the US spits out of it's propaganda factories. Nor
should you believe every bit of Saudi-Lobby backed US-bashing spewed
out by terrorist-sympathetic cabals like C.A.I.R or F.O.S.A or whoever
about 'rising hate crimes against muslims' or 'racial profiling'. It's
mostly hogwash...
I mean, look at me. I'm a brown dude and been in the US for 4
years now. I've gone through the airports and the screenings. No
problems...
Ths US is more guarded now after 9/11 than before, true. But
a little healthy paranoia is a good thing. Keeps the society vital.
It's better than the miserable apathy that has engulfed Indian society
since the 80s and leads the mulish electorate to vote away our rights
and our safety to the bloody spineless crypto-communists of the UPA
government, who bend over and take it up the arse while islamists and christian missionary-thugs try to overrun our country.
Two wrongs don't make a right ideally. However, the only feasable way to deal with terrorism and islamic mob savagery is to retaliate tenfold. America's success in Afghanistan against the Taliban, and Israel's successes in defeating the PLO, and Fatah, and Hamas are proof of that.
or ram planes full of people into buildings full of people. Nor do they blow up parliaments, or teach hate ahead of maths in schools, madrassas and qutbas. Indians don't behead journalists or anyone. We don't have state sponsored rape gangs.
India has history, art, science, technology, the world's largest democracy and third largest army.
If anything, Indians are doing a poor job of taking care of the terrorists. The incompetent and corrupt UPA government seems to learn nothing. If it were the Israelis in Kashmir, the Jihadis would all be urinating in their pants by now, gibbering for mercy like retarded people.
Great to see some more anti-Hindu sock puppets of Pakistan on slashdot though.
He's not stereotyping. Pakistani Hindus live in mortal fear of their lives. They are publicly stoned to death, forced to wear armbands (like the Jewish people during the Nazi Ausrotten in Poland), and Hindu women often get gang-raped and molten metal poured into their eyes and ears and buried alive for wearing makeup in public or for not following the Islamic 'hijab'. These are state sanctioned atrocities advertised as "blasphemy laws".
The wikipedia article is just the tip of the iceberg:
I agree (guess what, I'm an Indian too) about the things you said. Negationism is a huge burden on our collective soul, not to mention the fact that the British spent the better part of 250 years creating a social aura of slave mentality on the Indian mind (Brown babus and self-hating Hindus, you know what I'm talking about) that cannot be washed away in only 60 years since we told the buggers to get lost.
The place where you start unfairly generalizing is in your implicit assumption that this sort of zeitgeist will remain among Indians forever, and that is simply not the case. The success of Indians in IT and software that we have seen so far is only the tip of the iceberg. Even as we speak, many IT startups (in the Bay Area, I'll admit) founded by Indians are taking off with impresive annual turnovers, and that does require a substaitial amount of risk taking. This will encourage fresh young minds to 'think outside the box", as it were, and start investing more effort in companies in India itself.
Just wait and watch, in 10 years, Bangalore will be a "Silicon" Paradise.
There were those who resisted them successfully, though. The moslems were eventually thrown out of Spain, as well as Greece. And there's always the Chhatrapati: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivaji
Look, I AM a Bengali, and I can tell you that the CPI(M) have been winning elections by systematically brainwashing the rural poor (their main vote bloc, they are hated in Calcutta) for decades, and using goomba muscle to bully other parties out. if only the rural poor in W.B knew that they had better options, W.B would rise to the level of Maharashtra and Karnataka very quickly, as Bengalis are highly cultured (people in urban W.B. are generally better educated than in other parts of urban India) and have unlimited potential as a people.
The pinkos have bled my home state dry. Before the pinkos, W.B had a flourishing Jute industry. Now, it has all but collapsed. There is absolutely ZERO work culture in W.B. thanks to the pinkos, their labor unions and their messed up sense of entitlement. The infrastructure of Calcutta is in a horrible state, while other states like Maharashtra and Karnataka are improving steadily.
The difference between Calcutta and Mumbai/Bangalore is now almost as vast as that between New York and Mexico-City.
They are SERIOUSLY lazy bunch seeping with self-denial. Jyoti Basu, the communist CM of W.B. for many decades (before he got replaced by Buddhadeb Bhattacharya) was a total autarch, and had a personality cult about him, the same as Joseph Stalin or Mao.
Oh, and if you criticize them openly outside Calcutta, THINGS happen to you in the night.
State elections in West Bengal are a sick joke. The Liberal socialists are the worst thing to have happened to W.B since the Nawabs.
I basically agree. The India/Japan comparison does not hold water. In fact, a comparison with India and Israel would be more accurate and meaningful.
1) Both countries have ancient cultures with long histories of many achievements. Both cultures are widely misunderstood and demonized in many parts of the world.
1.5) Both countries have multi-ethnic and pluralist societies and have absorbed many cultures into their flock.
2) Both countries went through periods of severe unrest when the majority group were persecuted by foreign powers and driven out (in the case of Israel) or enslaved into dhimmitude (in the case of India).
3) Both countries were British colonies.
4) Both countries spawned nations in the same year (1947-48).
5) Both countries are surrounded by intensely hostile enemies with a deep-seated hatred for their country (though, as an Indian, I'll admit Israel has done a better job of tackling them, as our government did not prioritize military development and anti-terrorism until our rather embarassing retreat in the face of Chinese aggression during the SI war, and increasing terrorist attacks in Kashmir). This lends credence the the parent's point about the importance of military development in India.
6) Both countries have a growing urban middle class, with a strong technokrati and educational institutes like the Indian Institutes of Technology, BITS etc and Technion,Ben-Gurion University etc. which have produced highly successful graduates that help build up the nation.
7. Both countries want to invest in technology and in building a modern economy.
Unfortunately, these similarities have escaped many of my countrymen, as, throughout the cold war, the leftist fools in our govenment (not my government, I never voted for them) ran behind everything the Bolshies said or did, and this included cold-shouldering Israel (though we did buy newer RADAR technologies from Israel during the SI war and the war with Pakistan, and MOSSAD agents helped train RAW). India and Israel established full diplomatic relations in 1992, and now political relations ar better. India should carefully observe Israel and learn from it's success, as the social and political raw material does exist in India to build a nation modelled on Israel and achieve their level of success.
Well cosmological length scales are governed by the Robertson Walker metric, which builds on the assumption that space is homogenous & isotropic (but curved and dynamic, which is why you have Hubble Expansion).
However, mainstream cosmological academia does not regard any of this "multiple BB" stuff right now, since data from COBE's CMBR anisotropy (http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/cobe/) may indicate that the universe is nearly flat in those timescales, so there could be no "Big Crunches". Of course, Ed Witten has given some involved arguments that might render COBE data inconclusive and other Friedmann models valid.
Also, we know know that dark energy creates an acceleration term in the GTR field equations of the Universe and thus the Universe is actually accelerating away from the singularity (along a light cone), so it would overcome gravitational attraction and the dynamics is not reversible, putting another chink in the armour of the 'Big Cunch" theory.
Of course, like Witten et al claim, the data isn't 100% conclusive, but still, looks pretty convincing...
Pilfered from their Physical review Letters Paper:
H. Linke,1,2,* B. J. Aleman,1 L. D. Melling,1 M. J. Taormina,1 M. J. Francis,2 C. C. Dow-Hygelund,1 V. Narayanan,3 R. P. Taylor,1 and A. Stout1
PRL 96, 154502 (2006) To explain our observations, we propose the following model. As liquid evaporates at the bottom surface of the droplet, the pressure that levitates the droplet pushes out the vapor laterally. We propose that the ratchet surface partially rectifies this vapor flow, which exerts a net viscous force on the droplet. In the following, we calculate the magnitude of this force by estimating the pressure gradient underneath the droplet that drives the vapor flow. It is important to note that evaporation and vapor flow are powered by heat from the substrate. The droplets are thus essentially heat engines. A droplet placed on a ratchet [see Fig. 3(a)] tends to curve concavely around the tops of the ridges (point A) while assuming a convex shape elsewhere. This variation in droplet curvature can be used to estimate the variation of the dynamic pressure along the vapor layer as explained in the following. The local difference between the droplet's internal pressure pi (assumed constant along the bottom surface) and the pressure in the vapor film is given approximately by the Laplace pressure p =R, where R is the local radius of the curvature (assuming no curvature parallel to the ratchet ridges) [3]. A concave surface shape (near point A) corresponds to a curvature RA pi, while the convex curvature at points B1 and B2 implies RB > 0 and pB pB. We therefore expect net vapor flow from point A to points B1 and B2. Flow from A to B2 is expected to create a viscous force in forward direction, which we estimate below. In contrast, vapor flowing from A ''backward'' can escape sideways along the wide ratchet grooves [into and out of the page in Fig. 3(a)], because of the small flow resistance in this direction [18]. Therefore, net forces due to vapor flow between A and B1 should be relatively small. The force exerted by the vapor on the liquid between points A and B2 has two components. First, a forward shear force due to Poiseuille vapor flow caused by the pressure differential P pA pB. Using nonslip boundary conditions and a parallel-plate model.model, the horizontal component of this force is [19] F 0:5AeffhjdP=dxj cos; (2) where Aeff is the total area over which this force contributes (depending on droplet size, multiple ratchet periods are involved), h is the thickness of the vapor layer in this area, and is defined in Fig. 3(b). Second, if the droplet glides with x relative to the substrate, there is a viscous drag force given by [19] x Aeff=hx; (3) where is the vapor's viscosity. Also, Leidenfrost effect info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leidenfrost_Effect
>I think that ultimately this is splitting hairs to some degree
Well, within the context of traditional Newtonian mechanics, you're
right. It's essentially about semantics and interpretations. It gets
more complex in more advanced treatments of classical mechanics.
>but I think there is a tremendous opportunity for advancement
in
regards to our >understanding of the human body in alien
environments
I guess that's true. Irrespective of whether centrifugal
force is real or not, it is a fact that the adverse effects of
acceleration are real.
Science fiction writers like Arthur C. Clarke have proposed a
"field-based engine" where, instead of using thrust to propel ships,
causingforces to be distributed inhomogenously through atomic
interactions (thereby causing all the pressure, G-forces etc that cause
people ot die at high accelerations), the engine (or an
externalsource) would generate a force field, much like
gravity, only more powerful. This would cause all particles to move
with the same acceleration, and there would be no "G-forces".
But that is all fiction, in reality, you will have to go
through G-forces if you want to accelerate (unless you do so by
gravity, but that's rather weak) and so we need to see how it affects
us in detail.
I'd mod you up, but I blew all my points yesterday.
>Again if I remember my physics correctly, acceleration is a
change in
speed >
>and/or direction. A centrifuge is a change in direction for
sure.
Yes, that is true. But, that acceleration is the
centripetal acceleration which iscaused by the
motor of the centrifuge, not by any nonexistent "centrifugal force"
(even if we accept the concept of force, which itself is nonexistent as
I have stated in posts above).
In what follows I adhere to the standard definition of
"centrifugal" force as the non-inertial force, not as the normal
reaction to centripetal force.
The force of the motor gets propagated by Newton's 3rd law
through the atomic interaction of the walls of the centrifuge and
transferred to the fellow in contact with it. So the force experienced
by the fellow in the chamber is the force due to the motor.
The other way to look at it is that there is no motor, but
there is an accelerated frame (where the motor is conceptually
unimportant as it is outside your universe of the accelerated frame),
and you follow an artificial recipe that says that you should just
"plug in" (by rote) a force term (in this case "centrifugal
force") equal to -mass*acceleration_of_the_frame. This recipe
is convenient sometimes, but unnecessary as we can get the
same result from ab-initio reasoning as in the previous paragraph.
So what you are doing is assuming that the centrifuge is a
different universe, where all physical phenomena are appended by this
universal divine "centrifugal force". I dunno abt you, but that's too
wierd for my taste.
There is no such thing as centrifugal force. The very idea is
completely bogus and unnecessary and so can be removed from all
formalisms of accelerated frames without losing any of the physics, so
it does not exist.
It's ambiguities like this that proves that the whole concept
of force is a pile of rubbish and can easily be done away with (okay,
maybe not easily, but the formalisms in classical mechanics that get
rid of forces are far more elegant and insightful than all this clunky
Newtonian stuff, and).
In case you think I'm being pedantic, I should point out that Hamiltonian,
Lagrangian and canonical formalisms are significantly easier to
implement computationally in systems where analytical solutins cannot
be done (likechaotic systems or quantum systems with multiple
nonlinear resonances) because of their logically algorithmic structure,
so in the modern world of research, nobody implements all this "force"
stuff into their computations.
Oh, and I almost forgot, there is no such thing as a force anyway. It's an artificial device introduced by Newton to make the laws of classical mechanics less obfuscated. Ultimately, the most elegant formalisms of classical mechanics (Lagrangian, hamiltonian, and Canonical transformations/Hamilton Jacobi Theory) does away with this "force" nonsense altogether. There are only geometrical and topologocal constraints thatdetermine the dynamics. This is easily exported to relativity, so this formalism's better.
Oh, and another thing. The force experienced by the fellow in the rotating chamber is generated by some other source (a motor, or gravity or whatever). The fact that this equals
$$ \dot{theta}X\dot{theta}X r + 2 (\dot{theta} X \dot{r}) + \ddot{\theta} X r $$
is a consequence of the dynamics, not the force. Thus, the centrifugal acceleration is a consequence of the dynamics, not the force, so it's not a force (it's not generated by any of the strong, weak, electromagnetic or gravitational interactions). The normal force experienced by the fellow is generated by the electromagnetic interactions between the atoms of the surface and the atoms of the fellow, but that's not the centrifugal force, 'cause that would exist even if the system was not accelerating (it would be a different value). The centrifugal force (as I understand it) produces a qualitative difference between a rotating frame and an inertial frame (it's not there in the latter), so it's a characteristic of the dynamics.
The article is wrong. Look up Goldstein's Classical Mechanics (the definitive textbook in Class Mech). The wikipedia article presents an ambiguous definition of centrifugal force (as a reaction to centripetal force). Physicists today do not use this definition (I am one). The reaction to centripetal force is just that. A reaction. centrifugal "force" only exists in the noninertial frame (together with Coriolis and Euler pseudoforces).
Erm, actually, capital case "G" is the universal gravitational constant ( 6.67300 × 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2), and the only "unit" of acceleration is length per time squared. The acceleration due to gravity (at the poles and at a radial distance equal to the mean radius of the earth 6 378.1 kilometers) is denoted by small case "g" (~9,8 m.s^2 or 32 ft/s^2 for the Americans) and is not a good "unit" per se (because it's not really constant).
Oh, and just FYI for everybody, there is no "acceleration", "pressure" or "force" directly experienced inside a centrifuge. What is experienced is a non-inertial pseudoforce which is the result of transforming to an accelerated frame.
Slashdot Mirror
Links that support my claims are on orevious posts. I win, you lose.
Like I said, you can fool the westerner into believing something other than the truth, but WE know what you are, and you can't change that truth.
>Are they? For what crime? For just existing? That is an outright lie.
g enocide.html
Yes, and no. I have provided proof in previous posts of human rights abuses of which Hindus are victims in Pakistan. Sorry, your propaganda only works on liberal westerners, not on me.
Hindus are regarded as "Kaffirs" and "Dhimmis" in Pakistan. Pakistani muslims regard all non-muslims as animals and deserving only death. Pakistanis love death. I wonder why they wail so much when our armed forces give it to them.
>Having molten metal poured into ears is a Hindu punishment for a religious crime, not a Muslim one
No, my friend. It was invented by Tamurlang, a muslim. Hindus retaliate, never instigate. We are people, not beasts.
Again, Islamofascist propaganda doesn't work on me. You're wasting your time, my terrorist sympathizing friend.
>but hey, as long as you get people riled up against Muslims, it's all
>good, right?
It's about time people learnt the truth about you terrorist sympathizers and mass murderers.
Support for bin-Laden and al-Qaeda is rampant in Pakistan. Pakistani schools teach how to hate ("Yahood aur Hanood ek sikke ke do hisse hain") before they teach how to read, and Hindus don't harbor suicide bombers.Muslims have murdered over 80 million hindus over the course of their hegemony in South Asia. From Aibak, to Iltutmish, to Babar, mir-Baqr, Aurangzeb and the Bahmanis they have made mountains of Hindu skulls all across the north. During partition the majority of the victims of the riots were Hindus, not muslims:
http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/irin/
South Asian muslims spread usury, bribery, Jihad, and how to reproduce by rape. Now they can't stand the fact that we are free, and they are not.
India is us, you are them.
State-sponsored abuse of women in pakistan:
9 99
k istan/pakistan.htm
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engASA330181
Now, I am aware that there are remote parts of India where women are mistreated as well. The difference between us and Pakistan is that the atrocities in Pakistan are endorsed by the state (there are clauses in Pakistani Law that can be used to legally commit honor-killings). Local regions in pakistan are run by clansmen and religious mullahs, who harbor terrorists and commit human-rights violations all the time. No Hindu priest has this much political power.
We are a democracy, you are not. It's that simple...
anti-semitism, anti-zionism, racism and xenophobia in pakistan (bttom of TFA)
http://www.axt.org.uk/antisem/archive/archive1/pa
anti-semitism in India: ZERO (except by muslims like Lashkar-e-Toiba, big surprise)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Jews
Mukhtar Mai:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukhtar_Mai
They're not acting violent in America anymore, they're too scared to, and rightly so.Their violence is primarily in weaker Europe, and, of course, in my own poor but rapidly growing nation.
I agree that American military campaigns have stirred the hornet's nest so to speak, and it has made muslims blow shit up more. However, what the Americans have successfully achieved is taking away the ability of the muslims to attack America any further (which they haven't been able to do,despite their posturings in their propaganda videos), nor will they ever, since the US has clearly shown what it will do to the muslims if they harm Americans again...
The muslims can blow up whatever they want in their own countries, nobody cares. If they do so in mine, we will retaliate, even if our idiotic government is too myopic to do so themselves, which is what we pay them taxes for.
And the Israelis will quickly defeat the Palestinians. Their IDF is significantly superior and more battle-hardened to the terrorists. It is only a matter of time...
So, overall, barring the situation in iraq, America has been successful, as have the Israelis. The only people who are failing against muslims are us bloody Indians, and there are those of us who mean to change that.
Getting muslims rattled is a small price to pay for the security of civilized countries. Don't be such a hopeless liberal please. Hopeless liberals don't see the facts (or maybe they do, but hate conservatives so much that they don't really care, just so long as their ad-hominem attacks keep viewers riveted to the television;
most liberals are useless nincompoops anyways) and live in a goody-goody fantasy world of shamrock fields and lotus ponds and pretty butterflies.
TFA before being vandalized:
History of Hinduism in Pakistan
See Also: History of Hinduism, Indus Valley Civilization, Vedic civilization
Hinduism, once the main religion in Pakistan, has endured many conquests and invasions, different rulers, and ultimately political separation from the Hindu-majority India.
[edit]
Ancient Ages
What is today Pakistan is where the ancient Mehrgarh and Indus Valley Civilization thrived. Various archaeological finds such as what appears to be like a "Pasupati" image that was found on the seals of the people of Mohenjo-daro, in Sindh, point to early influences that may have shaped Hinduism. The Elamo-Dravidian arrived from Eastern Iran and settled in Indus valley. According to a widely prevalent theory, a group of people known as Aryans migrated from regions like Iran or Eastern Europe, crossed the river Sindhu, and mingled with the Dravidians and indigenous people. The religious beliefs and folklore of the Indus valley people have become a major part of the Hindu faith that evolved in this part of the South Asia.
The Sindh kingdom and its rulers play an important role in the Indian epic story of the Mahabharata. In addition, there is the legend that the Pakistani city of Lahore was first founded by Lava, the son of Rama of the Ramayana. The Gandhara kingdom of the Northwest, and the legendary Gandhara peoples are also a major part of Hindu literature such as the Ramayana and the Mahabharata.
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Buddhism
During the reign of Ashoka, Buddhism grew and thrived in the area, especially under the later rule of Kanishka, king of the Kushan Empire. With the ascent of the Gupta Dynasty, many Buddhists were returned to the Hindu fold in India, as Hindus adopted many of the teachings of the Buddha such as non-violence to all life, vegetarianism and proper treatment of fellow men. A substantial Buddhist community that rivalled the Hindus would remain in Pakistan until the Islamic conquests.
Some scholars believe that Vedic Hinduism was never very strong in Pakistan, but records left by scholars like Alberuni, do not provide any such hint. In addition, a large Buddhist population remained in the Punjab and Sindh as Arab invaders attest to having encountered many 'Buddh' statues of gold throughout the region. Due to the nature of the region as a borderland on the edge of South Asia many people more open and receptive to radically different ideologies like Islam and other Semitic faiths.
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Under Islamic and British Rule
People in this region were exposed to Islamic teachings when the country came under the control of Muslim rulers. Though many Hindus voluntarily became Muslims, many Hindus also believe that a large number were forced to become Muslims. Alberuni states in his book, that Hindus who were forced to become Muslims, were not reaccepted into their community, when they escaped to places like Varanasi. He in fact laments, that due to Islamic conquests, many great Hindu scholars left this region. In over one thousand years of Muslim rule in the Punjab and Sindh, the population of Muslims outpaced the growth of Hinduism and Buddhism virtually disappeared, although relationships between people were peaceful and much more friendly than in modern times. Many Muslims still retained many of the traditions and cultural influences of the times when some were a part of the original Hindu population. It was not uncommon at all to hear a Muslim greet a Hindu or another Muslim with the traditional northern Indian greeting of Rama, Rama.
In August 1947, at the end of British Raj, the population percentage of Hindus in what is today Pakistan was perhaps as high as 30-35%, but would drop to its current total of less than 2 % in the years since partition.
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Hinduism and Partition
When Pakistan gained independence in August 1947, over 7 million Hindus and Sikhs from what was East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and Pakistan's Punjab and Sindh provinces left this new state for India, and a similar number
Changing the wikipedia article won't change the truth, only that Islamic terrorists are good at lies and propaganda...
And, of course, vandalism on wikipedia. Good thing there are NPOV tags and google cache backups...
Sure,sure, and Israelis are secretly trying to poison muslims and secrtetly conspire to take over the world, right?
So much for terrorist propaganda. Islamic fundamentalists are victims only in their own minds.
Godhra was a legitimate retaliation for a massacre started by muslims when they set fire to a tain consisting of Hindus, leading to women and children being burnt alive.
Like I said before, muslim mobs murder hindus, we retaliate tenfold. Same as the US did in Afghanistan after 9/11.
I know you muslims hate Hindus. No flaw in that. We all need somebody to hate, and it hasn't been one day in a thousand years when muslims didn't houst a few drinks and attack Hindus on the streets. It gave life meaning to so many of them...
Enjoy yourselves. At this point we are sufficiently powerful and well-connected to not care about what you think.
This is what they did to us:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/terror.htm
>Interesting examples of victorious nations. Israel is known for being >a bit of a paranoid society and deals with frequent bombings.
Can you blame them? They're a small but prosperous country surrounded by countries that hate them and want to destroy them.
Pew global statistics reports that anti-semitism in neighboring Jordan is 100% today...
I'd be paranoid too if I were in their shoes.
>The paranoia is growing by leaps and bounds in the US.
I think you're exaggerating a bit. Don't believe everything the liberal media in the US spits out of it's propaganda factories. Nor should you believe every bit of Saudi-Lobby backed US-bashing spewed out by terrorist-sympathetic cabals like C.A.I.R or F.O.S.A or whoever about 'rising hate crimes against muslims' or 'racial profiling'. It's mostly hogwash...
I mean, look at me. I'm a brown dude and been in the US for 4 years now. I've gone through the airports and the screenings. No problems...
Ths US is more guarded now after 9/11 than before, true. But a little healthy paranoia is a good thing. Keeps the society vital. It's better than the miserable apathy that has engulfed Indian society since the 80s and leads the mulish electorate to vote away our rights and our safety to the bloody spineless crypto-communists of the UPA government, who bend over and take it up the arse while islamists and christian missionary-thugs try to overrun our country.
In retaliation for muslim ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Kashmir:
: www.kashmir-information.com/fundamentalism.html+Is lamic+Fundamentalism+in+Kashmir&hl=en&gl=us&ct=cln k&cd=1&lr=lang_en&client=firefox-a
9 /WTC_attack_9-11.jpgd ecember/13/newsid_3695000/3695057.stm
http://www.panunkashmir.org/fundamentalism.html
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:vkcaOQjIS9MJ
Two wrongs don't make a right ideally. However, the only feasable way to deal with terrorism and islamic mob savagery is to retaliate tenfold. America's success in Afghanistan against the Taliban, and Israel's successes in defeating the PLO, and Fatah, and Hamas are proof of that.
Best I recall, Indians don't do these:
http://www.rawa.us/f-hang.htm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/oct/21franc.htm
or ram planes full of people into buildings full of people. Nor do they blow up parliaments, or teach hate ahead of maths in schools, madrassas and qutbas. Indians don't behead journalists or anyone. We don't have state sponsored rape gangs.
India has history, art, science, technology, the world's largest democracy and third largest army.
If anything, Indians are doing a poor job of taking care of the terrorists. The incompetent and corrupt UPA government seems to learn nothing. If it were the Israelis in Kashmir, the Jihadis would all be urinating in their pants by now, gibbering for mercy like retarded people.
Great to see some more anti-Hindu sock puppets of Pakistan on slashdot though.
He's not stereotyping. Pakistani Hindus live in mortal fear of their lives. They are publicly stoned to death, forced to wear armbands (like the Jewish people during the Nazi Ausrotten in Poland), and Hindu women often get gang-raped and molten metal poured into their eyes and ears and buried alive for wearing makeup in public or for not following the Islamic 'hijab'. These are state sanctioned atrocities advertised as "blasphemy laws".
# The_future_for_Pakistani_Hindus
The wikipedia article is just the tip of the iceberg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan
I agree (guess what, I'm an Indian too) about the things you said. Negationism is a huge burden on our collective soul, not to mention the fact that the British spent the better part of 250 years creating a social aura of slave mentality on the Indian mind (Brown babus and self-hating Hindus, you know what I'm talking about) that cannot be washed away in only 60 years since we told the buggers to get lost.
The place where you start unfairly generalizing is in your implicit assumption that this sort of zeitgeist will remain among Indians forever, and that is simply not the case. The success of Indians in IT and software that we have seen so far is only the tip of the iceberg. Even as we speak, many IT startups (in the Bay Area, I'll admit) founded by Indians are taking off with impresive annual turnovers, and that does require a substaitial amount of risk taking. This will encourage fresh young minds to 'think outside the box", as it were, and start investing more effort in companies in India itself.
Just wait and watch, in 10 years, Bangalore will be a "Silicon" Paradise.
The article can be obtained from Grigoriev's webpage itself:
r iev.pdf
PDF WARNING!!!
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~alexey/PRL06_grigo
There were those who resisted them successfully, though. The moslems were eventually thrown out of Spain, as well as Greece. And there's always the Chhatrapati:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivaji
Veering offtopic here, but FYI...
Please!
Look, I AM a Bengali, and I can tell you that the CPI(M) have been winning elections by systematically brainwashing the rural poor (their main vote bloc, they are hated in Calcutta) for decades, and using goomba muscle to bully other parties out. if only the rural poor in W.B knew that they had better options, W.B would rise to the level of Maharashtra and Karnataka very quickly, as Bengalis are highly cultured (people in urban W.B. are generally better educated than in other parts of urban India) and have unlimited potential as a people.
The pinkos have bled my home state dry. Before the pinkos, W.B had a flourishing Jute industry. Now, it has all but collapsed. There is absolutely ZERO work culture in W.B. thanks to the pinkos, their labor unions and their messed up sense of entitlement. The infrastructure of Calcutta is in a horrible state, while other states like Maharashtra and Karnataka are improving steadily.
The difference between Calcutta and Mumbai/Bangalore is now almost as vast as that between New York and Mexico-City.
They are SERIOUSLY lazy bunch seeping with self-denial. Jyoti Basu, the communist CM of W.B. for many decades (before he got replaced by Buddhadeb Bhattacharya) was a total autarch, and had a personality cult about him, the same as Joseph Stalin or Mao.
Oh, and if you criticize them openly outside Calcutta, THINGS happen to you in the night.
State elections in West Bengal are a sick joke. The Liberal socialists are the worst thing to have happened to W.B since the Nawabs.
I basically agree. The India/Japan comparison does not hold water. In fact, a comparison with India and Israel would be more accurate and meaningful.
1) Both countries have ancient cultures with long histories of many achievements. Both cultures are widely misunderstood and demonized in many parts of the world.
1.5) Both countries have multi-ethnic and pluralist societies and have absorbed many cultures into their flock.
2) Both countries went through periods of severe unrest when the majority group were persecuted by foreign powers and driven out (in the case of Israel) or enslaved into dhimmitude (in the case of India).
3) Both countries were British colonies.
4) Both countries spawned nations in the same year (1947-48).
5) Both countries are surrounded by intensely hostile enemies with a deep-seated hatred for their country (though, as an Indian, I'll admit Israel has done a better job of tackling them, as our government did not prioritize military development and anti-terrorism until our rather embarassing retreat in the face of Chinese aggression during the SI war, and increasing terrorist attacks in Kashmir). This lends credence the the parent's point about the importance of military development in India.
6) Both countries have a growing urban middle class, with a strong technokrati and educational institutes like the Indian Institutes of Technology, BITS etc and Technion,Ben-Gurion University etc. which have produced highly successful graduates that help build up the nation.
7. Both countries want to invest in technology and in building a modern economy.
Unfortunately, these similarities have escaped many of my countrymen, as, throughout the cold war, the leftist fools in our govenment (not my government, I never voted for them) ran behind everything the Bolshies said or did, and this included cold-shouldering Israel (though we did buy newer RADAR technologies from Israel during the SI war and the war with Pakistan, and MOSSAD agents helped train RAW). India and Israel established full diplomatic relations in 1992, and now political relations ar better. India should carefully observe Israel and learn from it's success, as the social and political raw material does exist in India to build a nation modelled on Israel and achieve their level of success.
Well cosmological length scales are governed by the Robertson Walker metric, which builds on the assumption that space is homogenous & isotropic (but curved and dynamic, which is why you have Hubble Expansion).
r ic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson-Walker_met
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Constant
However, mainstream cosmological academia does not regard any of this "multiple BB" stuff right now, since data from COBE's CMBR anisotropy (http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/cobe/) may indicate that the universe is nearly flat in those timescales, so there could be no "Big Crunches". Of course, Ed Witten has given some involved arguments that might render COBE data inconclusive and other Friedmann models valid.
Also, we know know that dark energy creates an acceleration term in the GTR field equations of the Universe and thus the Universe is actually accelerating away from the singularity (along a light cone), so it would overcome gravitational attraction and the dynamics is not reversible, putting another chink in the armour of the 'Big Cunch" theory.
Of course, like Witten et al claim, the data isn't 100% conclusive, but still, looks pretty convincing...
Pilfered from their Physical review Letters Paper:
H. Linke,1,2,* B. J. Aleman,1 L. D. Melling,1 M. J. Taormina,1 M. J. Francis,2 C. C. Dow-Hygelund,1 V. Narayanan,3
R. P. Taylor,1 and A. Stout1
PRL 96, 154502 (2006)
To explain our observations, we propose the following
model. As liquid evaporates at the bottom surface of the
droplet, the pressure that levitates the droplet pushes out
the vapor laterally. We propose that the ratchet surface
partially rectifies this vapor flow, which exerts a net viscous
force on the droplet. In the following, we calculate the
magnitude of this force by estimating the pressure gradient
underneath the droplet that drives the vapor flow. It is
important to note that evaporation and vapor flow are
powered by heat from the substrate. The droplets are thus
essentially heat engines.
A droplet placed on a ratchet [see Fig. 3(a)] tends to
curve concavely around the tops of the ridges (point A)
while assuming a convex shape elsewhere. This variation
in droplet curvature can be used to estimate the variation of
the dynamic pressure along the vapor layer as explained in
the following. The local difference between the droplet's
internal pressure pi (assumed constant along the bottom
surface) and the pressure in the vapor film is given approximately
by the Laplace pressure p =R, where R
is the local radius of the curvature (assuming no curvature
parallel to the ratchet ridges) [3]. A concave surface shape
(near point A) corresponds to a curvature RA
pi, while the convex curvature at points B1 and B2 implies
RB > 0 and pB pB. We therefore
expect net vapor flow from point A to points B1 and B2.
Flow from A to B2 is expected to create a viscous force in
forward direction, which we estimate below. In contrast,
vapor flowing from A ''backward'' can escape sideways
along the wide ratchet grooves [into and out of the page in
Fig. 3(a)], because of the small flow resistance in this
direction [18]. Therefore, net forces due to vapor flow
between A and B1 should be relatively small.
The force exerted by the vapor on the liquid between
points A and B2 has two components. First, a forward shear
force due to Poiseuille vapor flow caused by the pressure
differential P pA pB. Using nonslip boundary
conditions and a parallel-plate model.model, the horizontal component
of this force is [19]
F 0:5AeffhjdP=dxj cos; (2)
where Aeff is the total area over which this force contributes
(depending on droplet size, multiple ratchet periods are
involved), h is the thickness of the vapor layer in this area,
and is defined in Fig. 3(b). Second, if the droplet glides
with x relative to the substrate, there is a viscous drag
force given by [19]
x Aeff=hx; (3)
where is the vapor's viscosity.
Also, Leidenfrost effect info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leidenfrost_Effect
>I think that ultimately this is splitting hairs to some degree
Well, within the context of traditional Newtonian mechanics, you're right. It's essentially about semantics and interpretations. It gets more complex in more advanced treatments of classical mechanics.
>but I think there is a tremendous opportunity for advancement in regards to our >understanding of the human body in alien environments
I guess that's true. Irrespective of whether centrifugal force is real or not, it is a fact that the adverse effects of acceleration are real.
Science fiction writers like Arthur C. Clarke have proposed a "field-based engine" where, instead of using thrust to propel ships, causingforces to be distributed inhomogenously through atomic interactions (thereby causing all the pressure, G-forces etc that cause people ot die at high accelerations), the engine (or an externalsource) would generate a force field, much like gravity, only more powerful. This would cause all particles to move with the same acceleration, and there would be no "G-forces".
But that is all fiction, in reality, you will have to go through G-forces if you want to accelerate (unless you do so by gravity, but that's rather weak) and so we need to see how it affects us in detail.
I'd mod you up, but I blew all my points yesterday.
>Again if I remember my physics correctly, acceleration is a change in speed >
>and/or direction. A centrifuge is a change in direction for sure.
Yes, that is true. But, that acceleration is the centripetal acceleration which iscaused by the motor of the centrifuge, not by any nonexistent "centrifugal force" (even if we accept the concept of force, which itself is nonexistent as I have stated in posts above).
In what follows I adhere to the standard definition of "centrifugal" force as the non-inertial force, not as the normal reaction to centripetal force.
The force of the motor gets propagated by Newton's 3rd law through the atomic interaction of the walls of the centrifuge and transferred to the fellow in contact with it. So the force experienced by the fellow in the chamber is the force due to the motor.
The other way to look at it is that there is no motor, but there is an accelerated frame (where the motor is conceptually unimportant as it is outside your universe of the accelerated frame), and you follow an artificial recipe that says that you should just "plug in" (by rote) a force term (in this case "centrifugal force") equal to -mass*acceleration_of_the_frame. This recipe is convenient sometimes, but unnecessary as we can get the same result from ab-initio reasoning as in the previous paragraph.
So what you are doing is assuming that the centrifuge is a different universe, where all physical phenomena are appended by this universal divine "centrifugal force". I dunno abt you, but that's too wierd for my taste.
There is no such thing as centrifugal force. The very idea is completely bogus and unnecessary and so can be removed from all formalisms of accelerated frames without losing any of the physics, so it does not exist.
It's ambiguities like this that proves that the whole concept of force is a pile of rubbish and can easily be done away with (okay, maybe not easily, but the formalisms in classical mechanics that get rid of forces are far more elegant and insightful than all this clunky Newtonian stuff, and).
In case you think I'm being pedantic, I should point out that Hamiltonian, Lagrangian and canonical formalisms are significantly easier to implement computationally in systems where analytical solutins cannot be done (likechaotic systems or quantum systems with multiple nonlinear resonances) because of their logically algorithmic structure, so in the modern world of research, nobody implements all this "force" stuff into their computations.
Oh, and I almost forgot, there is no such thing as a force anyway. It's an artificial device introduced by Newton to make the laws of classical mechanics less obfuscated. Ultimately, the most elegant formalisms of classical mechanics (Lagrangian, hamiltonian, and Canonical transformations/Hamilton Jacobi Theory) does away with this "force" nonsense altogether. There are only geometrical and topologocal constraints thatdetermine the dynamics. This is easily exported to relativity, so this formalism's better.
Oh, and another thing. The force experienced by the fellow in the rotating chamber is generated by some other source (a motor, or gravity or whatever). The fact that this equals
$$
\dot{theta}X\dot{theta}X r + 2 (\dot{theta} X \dot{r}) + \ddot{\theta} X r
$$
is a consequence of the dynamics, not the force. Thus, the centrifugal acceleration is a consequence of the dynamics, not the force, so it's not a force (it's not generated by any of the strong, weak, electromagnetic or gravitational interactions). The normal force experienced by the fellow is generated by the electromagnetic interactions between the atoms of the surface and the atoms of the fellow, but that's not the centrifugal force, 'cause that would exist even if the system was not accelerating (it would be a different value). The centrifugal force (as I understand it) produces a qualitative difference between a rotating frame and an inertial frame (it's not there in the latter), so it's a characteristic of the dynamics.
The article is wrong. Look up Goldstein's Classical Mechanics (the definitive textbook in Class Mech). The wikipedia article presents an ambiguous definition of centrifugal force (as a reaction to centripetal force). Physicists today do not use this definition (I am one). The reaction to centripetal force is just that. A reaction. centrifugal "force" only exists in the noninertial frame (together with Coriolis and Euler pseudoforces).
No, there isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force
Erm, actually, capital case "G" is the universal gravitational constant ( 6.67300 × 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2), and the only "unit" of acceleration is length per time squared. The acceleration due to gravity (at the poles and at a radial distance equal to the mean radius of the earth 6 378.1 kilometers) is denoted by small case "g" (~9,8 m.s^2 or 32 ft/s^2 for the Americans) and is not a good "unit" per se (because it's not really constant).
Oh, and just FYI for everybody, there is no "acceleration", "pressure" or "force" directly experienced inside a centrifuge. What is experienced is a non-inertial pseudoforce which is the result of transforming to an accelerated frame.
No builds of DemocracyPlayer for Mandriva. Can't install Fedora rpm on Mandriva 2005 because of unresolvable deps wrt libstdc++...
Tried to compile from source (stable, not svn), but couldn't make heads-or-tails of the README (half-done).
Anybody have any luck with non-Debian/Fedora Distros?