Alcohol is a drug, and the American Indians didn't know how to handle it properly.
Handling alcohol properly is simple: when you start to feel really, really funny, stop drinking.
Animals seem to be able to do this. And intoxication was nothing new to the American Indians.
How stupid can you be? The grandparent post didn't compare the acts of these business men to the acts of Hitler. The topic was copyright infringements and their comparison to the malicious business!
The poster I replied to accused Bill Gates of acting amorally by acquiring QDOS, recoding it a bit, and selling it to IBM at a price IBM agreed to pay. Besides, according to the FOSS cultists and Marxists here on Slashdot, Bill Gates, and any other big-businessman might as well be Hitler in their deluded minds.
Morality is generally accepted to be dictated by religion, so I can see if you're not a member of a mainstream religion that frowns upon causing harm to others that the various vices cited here would not be immoral to you.
I don't know if most people think that or not, but religion does not dictate morality. Morality goes far beyond mere religion, which usually bases it's moral principles (ie, the Ten Commandments, etc.) on natural law, at least insofar as murder and theft are concerned.
Selling beer during prohibition WAS illegal and was therefore unethical.
That something is "illegal" by the dictates of the State does not mean it is unethical under a natural sense of morality. Obvious historical examples abound.
So can the histrionics and accept that the people who drugged others senseless were immoral to a majority of the public
Selling a substance to somebody is not "drugging that person senseless". The buyer is in complete control of the amount of substance consumed, and must bear the sole responsibility for any adverse effects experienced from excess.
Once we bankrupt a couple hundred thousand people who can't afford medical bills, we'll have plenty of poor people forced into crime to survive who will take the money out of his pocket.
Well, you see, people with IQs above that of their shoe size generally know how to safely save and invest, without going bankrupt (which is an end result of debt, not a balanced portfolio), and therefore, have more than enough to buy private insurance.
Only the rich will be able to afford the private armies necessary to keep safe, so it evens out in the end.
"Private armies"? Try me, my neighbors, and a bunch of scoped sniper rifles.
That's more than enough to take out a moderate sized horde of welfare mutants, that's assuming they even make it out to where I live. Recent history has shown that they prefer to burn down their own neighborhoods. All it takes is a few people with guns to prevent them from spreading, as evidenced by the King riots in Los Angeles.
In a lot of countries where the government keeps out of the way and lets people run their own lives however they see fit, people routinely reach for their rocket propelled grenades and AK-47's, so I don't think your revolver is going to do you much good. Unless you like being dead.
Actually, in countries where the government keeps out of people's way, people generally go about their business without carrying around RPGs. The only places we see people carrying around RPGs and AK-47s is where people like you are actively waging war against them to keep them from buying, selling and trading. Even then, it's usually your side openly carrying the guns.
If it's not trivial, you're not rich, and you're only losing money through this system if you have no family or they all die early. Since you claim it's such a big expense, I congratulate you for removing yourself from the gene pool, but I must point out that effectively the government is providing financial incentives to create functioning families. In effect, the government is paying for babies, think about how this works and you might figure out why. Also, it was stopping them from freezing in the streets until people like you cut funding.
Yes. The government does pay for babies; for the past 40 years it has paid the trash of society (mostly unmarried skanks and whores) to breed in exchange for a welfare check. It has paid people to not work, gave them free homes and public housing that they promptly trashed. Whole neighborhoods were destroyed as a result. Family structure in these high welfare places is mostly non-existent. So you're assertion that government welfare is somehow helping to create functioning families is absolute bullshit.
Maybe once you get a brain, you'll realize the severe social destruction caused by government welfare systems.
They want to fuck you too, and they're not afraid of laws because they have nothing to lose. I guess if $X for taxes is too much, you'll be free to spend $10X on security.
See above. I figure it's closer to something like $0.0625X.
So do you.
You may think so, but the odds of that happening are rather low.
Of course, I could just let them starve/bleed/freeze to death, but I'd rather not.
And you should therefore pay out of your own pocket for their medical bills.
Making me pay for their medical bills makes me reach for my revolver.
No one deserves to starve/bleed/freeze to death, especially when something so trivial can be done to stop it.
The money I pay in federal income tax, FICA and FICA MED is NOT "trivial". And it certainly isn't stopping bum addicts from freezing to death in the streets.
Fuck those who failed to save and prepare for their retirement.
Those who steal from me deserve to die in the streets.
What the slimebag historical revisionist lunatics like Howard Zinn don't tell you is that the hostilities were started by the UMWA violently intimidating and killing workers who didn't go along with the strike.
Yes, the attack by the Colorado National Guard was a war crime, and those who committed the war crime probably should have been killed; but it was the UMWA who started the violent intimidation of replacement workers, and those who refused to strike.
All instances of private police engaging in war against unions occurred when Marxist class-war union bosses started indiscriminately murdering those workers who didn't strike, or who wanted to cut a deal with their employers. Only after the class-war unionists initiated violence were private security forces sent in to protect the so-called "scab" workers, and maybe give some of the murdering class-war unionists some well deserved machine gun fire to the brain.
An interview subject warned me against even mentioning Anathema in this article: "You do not need some 350-pound hit man with a Glock at your front door."
These '133T W4R3Z kiddies are somehow going to cough up the money to hire a hitman to go after Jeff Howe for mentioning the name of their little piracy operation?
Drivers' licenses are ubiquitous and necessary. They are marked with identifying data and a unique number. They have your picture. Authorities are allowed to ask for it, and in general citizens are expected to cough it up.
I only need to present my drivers license to a cop if I'm pulled over while operating a motor vehicle, as proof that I am licensed to operate that motor vehicle.
At no other time can they demand that I identify myself. Any cop who demands such of me when I'm walking down the street can get fucked. If he arrests me, then I am morally justified in killing him for violating the U.S. Constitution.
Maybe in Europe the CPs can fulfill their beating quotas on someone who fails to produce his papers, but not here.
Why don't we just bite the bullet and make citizens' identification cards necessary?
I would rather see every child and grandchild of about 520 members of the U.S. Congress killed, than see mandatory Citizen Unit Identification to be produced at the whim of "The Authorities".
You should be ashamed to the point of suicide for suggesting such.
I'm sick and tired of my money being stolen (taxes) to give to the Turd World. They can't help themselves because their governments have chosen to suppress the economic activities that would bring their nations closer to First World standards.
Let the waves flush out those toilets. Make the next earthquake a 9.5.
And those who steal from me (taxes) to hand out in "aid" all need to be killed.
Yep. Seeing a 10 year old equating the soviet flag with a Nazi flag kinda helps me understand why many americans react like that when someone talks about communism without implying it's a Bad Thing(tm).
Socialism and communism aren't bad ideologies! They were only responsible for about 120,000,000 deaths in the last century, with millions more enslaved, tortured, deprived, and terrorized.
Sure, every regime that has tried to suppress private property rights in the means of production ended up murdering vast numbers of people, but it can't be the ideology! They just didn't have the "right people" in charge!
LoL. Real men get convicted of anti-trust violations Yeah. Well, that's a new one, to me, anyway. Iirc, M$ was, in fact, convicted.
Oh yeah, convicted under unconstitutional statutes of really evil things like giving away free stuff, successfully unseating Netscape as the dominant browser, bundling things with their software, and making deals favorable to themselves in order to undercut the competition and gain market share. In other words, conducting business like men.
In fact, they may trivially be expected to be grateful to Diebold for installing politicians which lack sufficient balls to exectute the a sentence against them (recall Dubya's campaign promise that M$ would not be punished for the violations of which the have been convicted.
So, I see you're among the mentally ill who has delusions about Diebold somehow "installing" G.W. Bush as president.
I guess there's no further sense in replying to your comments, but I'll continue to do so anyway.
I get the distinct impression you do not favor a Rule of Law where corporations, like any other legal entity, are held to standards of behaaviour under the Law. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.
On the contrary, I do favor rule of Law; true Law, where even the weakest are secure in their life, liberty and property, and where even the most powerful are held responsible for injurious acts against them, as opposed to the "Rule of Dictate"; being required to bow to the countless arbitrary whims and edicts of the State.
You are not, however, entitled to impose your deluded beliefs on me (or anyone else) absent some overwhelming evidence akin to, say, the kind of evidence that has accumulated around the criminal cororpate entities I named...
What am I trying to "impose" on you? A value system where people and the organizations they create can't be robbed and destroyed because some asshole doesn't like the way they do business (ie, giving away free browsers and bundling it in with their software)?
Hah. You and every other panty-waist corprate bully on the block. Keep nuzzling that mega-coroprate ass, partisan, you'll go far.
The advocates of slavery typically do accuse those who promote liberty as "corprate bull(ies)" and "mega-coroprate" asses.
Microsoft needs your continued support. So does Haliburton. Without people like you, they could not exist...
Microsoft doesn't need my support, and I think Haliburton can get by just fine without me (or my tax dollars).
And who is going to execute your attempt at unilateral judgement? You don't even have the cojones to organize or execute an effective non-violent action against the people who are oppressing you - killing you and your loved ones, even as we speak (type).
"Non-violent action" doesn't do a damn thing against robbers, thugs and murderers - those who would rather just kill you than listen to your pleas.
Fwiw, I don't really consider a desire to see Justice in the matter of criminals who just happen to be corporate entities to be "deluded".
Again, it is your proposal of arbitrary punishment for "crimes" such as giving away free stuff and driving a hard bargain that is deluded.
Nor do I believe that that it is deluded to possess and understanding of corporations, economics, and government sufficient to support the knowledge that corporate crime requires punishment just as surely as crimes by individuals.
But you want to punish a company for the "crime" of doing things (such as bundling a browser and media player with an operating system) that no ordinary person
I see there are still those who insist that George W. Bush somehow "stole" this past election, despite a clear margin of victory (especially in the Holy Popular Vote), and the lack of any real credible evidence backing up their claims. (Note: Noam Chomsky, Greg Palast, Commiedreams, "Ind"ymedia and Zmag do not present anything within a billion light years of 'credible'.)
Since these people are so completely and totally disconnected from objective reality, I can only conclude that they are seriously mentally ill.
They seem to be suffering from the mental disease known as socialism - a mental illnesses ranging in degree from the disorder of modern "liberalism" to the absolute deranged lunacy of radical communism.
Only commitment to a psychiatric facility, extensive shock therapy treatment, and loads of tranquilizers and antipsychotics could possibly be of any help to these sick people. Maybe that's not even enough.
As for voting, why the fuck does any county EVER need overly sophisticated computer touchscreen hardware when paper ballots with optical scan machines work just fine? If I remember correctly, it was the Demonrats and the Left who were clamoring for computerized voting systems so as to make casting a ballot easier for the senile elderly and the crack-addled inner-city ghetto dwellers who are too brain damaged to vote properly with paper ballots.
Given that you lump Microsoft, a company guilty of nothing but conducting business like men who, unlike their critics, actually have a pair, with Enron and Worldcom (even then, it was company executives, not the corporation as a whole), I get the distinct impression that your definition of "corporate crime" is completely unjust and arbitrary.
I am therefore inclined to support a real death penalty; for you - and anyone else who attempts to use violence (including government) to impose these deluded beliefs upon companies.
Fox News, CNN etc need to be held to standards on reporting the truth and when they lie they need to be very heavily fined.
And of course, we are going to allow the State, and socialists like yourself, to be the ultimate arbiters of truth, right?
Corporations are not people and should not have the rights that people do and they need to have a lot more responsibilities.
"Organizations such as Moveon.org, International ANSWER and the ACLU are organizations, not people, and should not have the rights that people do."
"As such, the assets of these groups and their membership lists are to be siezed immediately. Those who comprise their membership - all being part of the group collective and not individuals - are to be interred at Guantanamo Bay indefinitely where all necessary means will be used to extract useful information."
For the crimes he committed against American liberty in Congress (gun prohibition being among the most serious), Rod Blagojevich has, in my opinion, earned the death penalty just about a dozen times over.
Proposing to throw people in jail for selling Unreal Tournament or Doom 3 to a 17-year-old just adds to his litany of crimes.
That he continues to sign his death warrant is of no surprise.
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Handling alcohol properly is simple: when you start to feel really, really funny, stop drinking.
Animals seem to be able to do this. And intoxication was nothing new to the American Indians.
The poster I replied to accused Bill Gates of acting amorally by acquiring QDOS, recoding it a bit, and selling it to IBM at a price IBM agreed to pay. Besides, according to the FOSS cultists and Marxists here on Slashdot, Bill Gates, and any other big-businessman might as well be Hitler in their deluded minds.
I don't know if most people think that or not, but religion does not dictate morality. Morality goes far beyond mere religion, which usually bases it's moral principles (ie, the Ten Commandments, etc.) on natural law, at least insofar as murder and theft are concerned.
That something is "illegal" by the dictates of the State does not mean it is unethical under a natural sense of morality. Obvious historical examples abound.
Selling a substance to somebody is not "drugging that person senseless". The buyer is in complete control of the amount of substance consumed, and must bear the sole responsibility for any adverse effects experienced from excess.
Well, you see, people with IQs above that of their shoe size generally know how to safely save and invest, without going bankrupt (which is an end result of debt, not a balanced portfolio), and therefore, have more than enough to buy private insurance.
"Private armies"? Try me, my neighbors, and a bunch of scoped sniper rifles.
That's more than enough to take out a moderate sized horde of welfare mutants, that's assuming they even make it out to where I live. Recent history has shown that they prefer to burn down their own neighborhoods. All it takes is a few people with guns to prevent them from spreading, as evidenced by the King riots in Los Angeles.
Actually, in countries where the government keeps out of people's way, people generally go about their business without carrying around RPGs. The only places we see people carrying around RPGs and AK-47s is where people like you are actively waging war against them to keep them from buying, selling and trading. Even then, it's usually your side openly carrying the guns.
Yes. The government does pay for babies; for the past 40 years it has paid the trash of society (mostly unmarried skanks and whores) to breed in exchange for a welfare check. It has paid people to not work, gave them free homes and public housing that they promptly trashed. Whole neighborhoods were destroyed as a result. Family structure in these high welfare places is mostly non-existent. So you're assertion that government welfare is somehow helping to create functioning families is absolute bullshit.
Maybe once you get a brain, you'll realize the severe social destruction caused by government welfare systems.
See above. I figure it's closer to something like $0.0625X.
You may think so, but the odds of that happening are rather low.
And you should therefore pay out of your own pocket for their medical bills.
Making me pay for their medical bills makes me reach for my revolver.
The money I pay in federal income tax, FICA and FICA MED is NOT "trivial". And it certainly isn't stopping bum addicts from freezing to death in the streets.
Fuck those who failed to save and prepare for their retirement.
Those who steal from me deserve to die in the streets.
Not amoral or unethical.
As prohibition was a crime, Joseph Kennedy's actions were not amoral, nor unethical.
I'm sorry, is that supposed to be "amoral" or "unethical"?
Are you saying that the Indians were perhaps too "primitive", "simple" and "uncivilized" to be sold the White Man's "Demon Rum"?
My, how racist.
My God! Talk about heinous amorality!
Bill Gates is worse than Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer put together!
Come to think of it, he's worse than Hitler! Starting a world war, building extermination camps and killing six million Jews pales in comparison!
Yes, the attack by the Colorado National Guard was a war crime, and those who committed the war crime probably should have been killed; but it was the UMWA who started the violent intimidation of replacement workers, and those who refused to strike.
All instances of private police engaging in war against unions occurred when Marxist class-war union bosses started indiscriminately murdering those workers who didn't strike, or who wanted to cut a deal with their employers. Only after the class-war unionists initiated violence were private security forces sent in to protect the so-called "scab" workers, and maybe give some of the murdering class-war unionists some well deserved machine gun fire to the brain.
Holy crap. My words exactly.
These '133T W4R3Z kiddies are somehow going to cough up the money to hire a hitman to go after Jeff Howe for mentioning the name of their little piracy operation?
Don't make me laugh.
I only need to present my drivers license to a cop if I'm pulled over while operating a motor vehicle, as proof that I am licensed to operate that motor vehicle.
At no other time can they demand that I identify myself. Any cop who demands such of me when I'm walking down the street can get fucked. If he arrests me, then I am morally justified in killing him for violating the U.S. Constitution.
Maybe in Europe the CPs can fulfill their beating quotas on someone who fails to produce his papers, but not here.
I would rather see every child and grandchild of about 520 members of the U.S. Congress killed, than see mandatory Citizen Unit Identification to be produced at the whim of "The Authorities".
You should be ashamed to the point of suicide for suggesting such.
What software industry?
And that's FAR too much of our income being hijacked (taxes) to send off to Turd World shitholes.
Let them all die. Those who steal from me need to be shot.
I agree.
I'm sick and tired of my money being stolen (taxes) to give to the Turd World. They can't help themselves because their governments have chosen to suppress the economic activities that would bring their nations closer to First World standards.
Let the waves flush out those toilets. Make the next earthquake a 9.5.
And those who steal from me (taxes) to hand out in "aid" all need to be killed.
Socialism and communism aren't bad ideologies! They were only responsible for about 120,000,000 deaths in the last century, with millions more enslaved, tortured, deprived, and terrorized.
Sure, every regime that has tried to suppress private property rights in the means of production ended up murdering vast numbers of people, but it can't be the ideology! They just didn't have the "right people" in charge!
Those who try to impose "maximum wages" all need to be killed.
You people are the ones who voted the Nazis into power and invented industrialized genocide (another fine example of "German engineering" that was).
Oh, but you aren't referring to the National Socialist German Workers' Party as Nazis, you're referring to the Republican Party as Nazis.
In that case, you should be committed to a psychiatric institution for your delusional statement. Maybe some shock therapy will clear your mind.
Oh yeah, convicted under unconstitutional statutes of really evil things like giving away free stuff, successfully unseating Netscape as the dominant browser, bundling things with their software, and making deals favorable to themselves in order to undercut the competition and gain market share. In other words, conducting business like men.
So, I see you're among the mentally ill who has delusions about Diebold somehow "installing" G.W. Bush as president.
I guess there's no further sense in replying to your comments, but I'll continue to do so anyway.
On the contrary, I do favor rule of Law; true Law, where even the weakest are secure in their life, liberty and property, and where even the most powerful are held responsible for injurious acts against them, as opposed to the "Rule of Dictate"; being required to bow to the countless arbitrary whims and edicts of the State.
What am I trying to "impose" on you? A value system where people and the organizations they create can't be robbed and destroyed because some asshole doesn't like the way they do business (ie, giving away free browsers and bundling it in with their software)?
The advocates of slavery typically do accuse those who promote liberty as "corprate bull(ies)" and "mega-coroprate" asses.
Microsoft doesn't need my support, and I think Haliburton can get by just fine without me (or my tax dollars).
"Non-violent action" doesn't do a damn thing against robbers, thugs and murderers - those who would rather just kill you than listen to your pleas.
Again, it is your proposal of arbitrary punishment for "crimes" such as giving away free stuff and driving a hard bargain that is deluded.
But you want to punish a company for the "crime" of doing things (such as bundling a browser and media player with an operating system) that no ordinary person
Another textbook example of the mental illness known as socialism.
It's fortunate that he/she/it (probably 'it') chose to post anonymously.
As for socialist programs, eco-fanaticism and government indoctrination centers, fuck them dead.
Since these people are so completely and totally disconnected from objective reality, I can only conclude that they are seriously mentally ill.
They seem to be suffering from the mental disease known as socialism - a mental illnesses ranging in degree from the disorder of modern "liberalism" to the absolute deranged lunacy of radical communism.
Only commitment to a psychiatric facility, extensive shock therapy treatment, and loads of tranquilizers and antipsychotics could possibly be of any help to these sick people. Maybe that's not even enough.
As for voting, why the fuck does any county EVER need overly sophisticated computer touchscreen hardware when paper ballots with optical scan machines work just fine? If I remember correctly, it was the Demonrats and the Left who were clamoring for computerized voting systems so as to make casting a ballot easier for the senile elderly and the crack-addled inner-city ghetto dwellers who are too brain damaged to vote properly with paper ballots.
I am therefore inclined to support a real death penalty; for you - and anyone else who attempts to use violence (including government) to impose these deluded beliefs upon companies.
And of course, we are going to allow the State, and socialists like yourself, to be the ultimate arbiters of truth, right?
Corporations are not people and should not have the rights that people do and they need to have a lot more responsibilities.
"Organizations such as Moveon.org, International ANSWER and the ACLU are organizations, not people, and should not have the rights that people do."
"As such, the assets of these groups and their membership lists are to be siezed immediately. Those who comprise their membership - all being part of the group collective and not individuals - are to be interred at Guantanamo Bay indefinitely where all necessary means will be used to extract useful information."
- Homeland Security
(How long have you been mentally deranged?)
For the crimes he committed against American liberty in Congress (gun prohibition being among the most serious), Rod Blagojevich has, in my opinion, earned the death penalty just about a dozen times over.
Proposing to throw people in jail for selling Unreal Tournament or Doom 3 to a 17-year-old just adds to his litany of crimes.
That he continues to sign his death warrant is of no surprise.