Alright Lorena, you've had your 15 minutes so if you want more you'll have to do something with or to a Kardashian. Until then please go sit over there, away from the sharp objects.
I find every time they go running to the Internet instead of the cops to be suspect frankly, as I can accuse anybody of anything and so can you. Like that old bit "Have you stopped beating women?" once you accuse someone you can destroy them in the court of public opinion.
Did he do it? Is she making it up? Who the hell knows, THAT IS WHAT THE COPS ARE FOR, to collect evidence and figuring out WTF went down. With the Internet no evidence is needed, no investigation, just "that one did it" is ALL that is needed. I don't know, maybe its just me, but I'm old enough to remember McMartin and how quickly the court of public opinion can crucify somebody only to later turn out to be bullshit so the whole thing makes me REALLY uncomfortable. if he did what she said she should have been on the phone to the cops not 10 minutes later, why wasn't she?
Dude unless you work at Redmond you have never HAD an Xbox S, only a handful of game devs have dev kits as of now. I don't know WTF you are smoking but you can't say something you have never owned has never had a feature you have ZERO clue about!
Also they have ALREADY started backtracking on THIS announcement, what is that, 4 flip flops in as many weeks? Now they say that while you WON'T have to have an always on connection you WILL have to have an online account and authenticate it at LEAST once, whether that is gonna be a one time or annual thing nobody can even get a straight damned answer from MSFT about, so even the guys in charge of spin don't know WTF is up with the Xbox S...yeah, great company you got there guys, when even the guys working there don't know shit.
No I think the idea that because they made a mistake they should commit seppuku is fucking idiotic. They had TWO choices, okay? TWO. they could 1.- Raise the price of the PS3 to cost plus, which would have been around 980 dollars USD. 2.- Pull the OtherOS.
But you and the FOSSie faction argue that they should choose 3.- Bleed to death because they couldn't predict that douchebags would buy 10,000 PS3s at a clip to use for cheap clusters. I'm sorry but THAT IS RETARDED, they were losing 10s of millions a month while MSFT was cutting prices on the X360 because unlike Sony they were actually making MONEY on the games but thanks to the douchebags buying 10s of thousands at a clip each PS3 owner would have to buy more than 50 games FOR THEM TO BREAK EVEN.
So what else were they suppose to do? They saw they made a mistake and corrected it,yet because so many of the FOSSie faction,who likewise were taking advantage of the situation to buy up hardware below cost, didn't like the fact that Sony wouldn't keep bleeding money they were "teh evils!". Bullshit, if you want to call 'em assholes for shit like the rootkit? Fine and dandy, but expecting a company to go bankrupt just so you can have cheaper linux boxes is douchebaggery and just because you can exploit a situation to your advantage doesn't change the fact its still exploitation. And again if the assholes wouldn't have gotten piggish and started buying tens of thousands at a clip? You'd probably still have OtherOS, but like everything else you can't do anything nice without figuring in the douchebag factor. if it were me I'd have just pulled a TiVo and locked the fuck out of it, then we'd have seen how many were buying it because they liked linux and how many were just buying it to exploit for cheap clusters.
Joe and Jane Average, who I have been building systems for and taking care of their electronics for 25 years plus? As far as mobile goes? The ONLY systems I see being threatened by mobile is the Nintendo Wii U and the handhelds like the PSP, Vita, and 3DS. The reason those are threatened is because most folks already have their phone with them anyway so carrying a portable gaming system is just making less and less sense. and the Wii U is threatened because frankly a LOT of folks have Wii units sitting in closets because other than a handful of truly great games they were buried in shovelware. From what I'm seeing here in the trenches most are taking a wait and see with the Wii U to see if its gonna get a decent library like the Gamecube or be overloaded with shit like Wii.
But you are right in that for at least another rev the consoles won't be going anywhere, but I have a feeling with the OEMs worried about moving units the prices are gonna fall when it comes to PCs so I wouldn't be surprised to see a decent amount of folks switch to PCs, especially when the differences between the PC and the consoles become less every day. Both work on TVs, both can use wired and wireless controllers, both can play online and off, only more and more are seeing how crazy cheap you can get games on the PC and with the publishers sticking it to the consoles i wouldn't be surprised to see gamers do the math and see the PC saves them money in the long run.
But who in the fuck DOES that when there is a God damned redbox down the fucking street? Its just excuses trying to cover the fact that MSFT's boneheaded plan (MSFT and boneheaded plan, gee there is something that goes together like PB&J) had the console in EVERY.SINGLE.METRIC. worse than the PC! For fucks sake even Steam gives you 30 days, you wouldn't have even had an entire fricking day with Xbone!
Sigh...are you also being obtuse or do you REALLY not understand how the console market works? the console market works under the "razor and blades" business model where you sell one part (the razor) at a loss to generate customers and then you make it up on consumables, the blades on in this case the games.
Go watch the presentations touting OtherOS by Sony and you'll see the thought of anybody buying thousands of PS3s as cluster nodes didn't even cross their mind before release, its ALL about how you'll be able to surf on the PS3 and how it'll be more like a full fledged PC, thus justifying the crazy $600 price tag. When it came out they saw a few buying clusters and they talked it up....for a bit. then they quickly STFU as they saw tens of thousands of units flying off the shelves to never be seen again, stuffed in the backroom of some college crunching data.
If douchebags wouldn't have went "Huh huh huh, we can get computing hardware below cost!" and exploited the living fuck out of it, if ONLY the home users would have used OtherOS? I have NO doubt, none at all, that you would have other OS to this very day. But thanks to douchebags whom in one single month I saw articles with a combined total of over 40 THOUSAND PS3s being bought for clusters, that is a 12 MILLION dollar loss for Sony in a single month? They had NO choice but to pull it, it was that or bleed to death. personally i thought they should have offered a $1600 "PS3 cluster edition" aimed at that market so they could pay a more realistic price for clusters but most likely Sony did a study and found out when douchebags can't get hardware below cost won't buy, but in either case you can't sell for a loss and make it up on volume, its just not possible and that was EXACTLY what was happening to Sony. Their choices were pull OtherOS or raise the PS3 to the $980 it actually cost to make...which would YOU have preferred?
It doesn't run my windows programs but crippled phone programs (which MSFT charges as much as 30% over what Apple charges for the same apps) so why should I care? I'm not a.NET programmer so i honestly don't give a shit about editing software on a bus, and I can't see that being a big enough draw to make these things be anything but a bomb. Considering that MSFT sold less than a million over the crucial holiday season and its been reported that they cut the hell out of Surface orders because they couldn't move what they had?
sorry pal but I call it as I see it and its a Vista bomb.
No shit, sales are soft because the consoles are as old as dirt and all we have been getting lately is the same old same, not to mention this is the time of years when sales ALWAYS goes down because hey! Its summer, people actually want to go outside and enjoy the nice weather, who woulda thunk it?
But the ONLY console maker that has to worry about the iPad is Nintendo, they have bet the farm on the casual market who is too busy playing with their pads to care about the Wii U, especially since the big gimmick this time is the Wii U actually coming with a pad of its own and so many being burnt by the Wii being the home of a handful of decent games and a mountain of shovelware.
As for the rest of the market? Some will go with Xb1, probably more will go with PS4 thanks to lower prices on the hardware and MSFT's well publicized douchebaggery as of late, and with the prices of PCs never cheaper and the games so much more affordable some will join us PC gamers on our side of the fence, especially since HDMI makes pretty much any PC made in the last 5 years usable just like a console. Things are slowing down now because duh! Nobody is wanting to sink money into old consoles when new consoles will be out before Xmas.
And people wonder why I kept Office 2K and use it on my netbook. With the compatibility pack i can open just about any Office doc no problem, yet the entire install was less than 600Mb and word takes up less than 30Mb and zero CPU, even on the Bobcat APU.
You place office 2K7 or 2K10 beside office 2K and you realize just how fricking bloated office has become, my little APU netbook with office 2K can do tasks faster than my hexacore with office 2K7, its THAT bloated.
Dude are you REALLY gonna argue that old Monty was the ONLY ONE that worked on MySQL all those years? Really? Old Monty was more than happy to accept patches from other people...as long as he got the rights to them, and what did he do? He sold it out from under the community!
So if your argument is correct he might as well just make MariaDB proprietary, since after all the community doesn't do shit to improve it at all. But I bet if you go through the changelogs for MySQL before old Monty sold it you'll find plenty of names that are NOT Monty. And again, if you are THAt stupid? you deserve to be screwed, i have zero fucks to give about somebody who sees a guy fuck them over only to go right back, zero fucks.
But why in God's name would you NEED the "family plan" if you can just hand them the damned disc? What, you are gonna buy 3 or 4 $500 XB1s so that everybody in your family can be playing on a separate system?
I can honestly say i don't think I have EVER seen more than one of a particular model console in a home, and you can bet with the way MSFT charges for MP (while Sony and PCs have it free) you sure as hell weren't gonna be able to have your family play a MP game with a single copy, no way in hell would MSFT go for that.
And you hand that Bic to an enraged chimp he will STILL make a mess, thus proving my point that its NOT the tool, its the user. And when you are talking about writing programs that could potentially end up on thousands or even millions of PCs and possibly open the system up to malware? Then yes i would argue that you should be a hell of a lot closer to a surgeon than an enraged chimp to be a programmer.
Sorry but here is the flag, bullshit on the field. the PS4 uses GDDR 5, the Xbone? Plain old DDR 3. That alone is gonna cripple the living fuck out of Xbone because as anybody with an APU will tell you RAM speed makes a HUGE difference in performance when it comes to those, I just went from 1066 to 1333 and got like a 20% boost on my APU so you can imagine how huge a difference ultra fast GDDR 5 is gonna have. Also IIRC the PS4 jag chip is like 20% faster and has more power on the GPU side than the Xbone, again with an APU those little changes make a BIG difference. finally the PS 4 is a whole $100 CHEAPER, which considering its gonna be Xmas will mean the difference between getting a couple of extra games with your system or not.
So I'm sorry but if someone came asking me about the consoles i'd have to point them to the PS4, because even without the MSFT douchebaggery the PS4 has clearly better hardware and considering how long the last gen lasted you are gonna want every extra bit of speed you can get.
Are you seriously dumb, or are you being obtuse on purpose to start shit? Sony touted OtherOS because they were pushing the very Jap-Centric idea of the "box that does everything" including being a desktop. We saw something similar with the original PSOne DVR, Sony has always wanted to add non game stuff to their consoles to make them more appealing.
But what Sony didn't fricking realize was just how damned easy it was to hack OtherOS and turn it into a cluster node, for fucks sake you had the USAF buying 15 THOUSAND PS3s to do simulations on 'em! Now are you REALLY gonna argue that a feature that was 1.- put in for a group (the home consumer) that didn't use it or care about it, and 2.- Was being exploited like crazy by those wanting cheap supercomputers was something they SHOULD have kept? Really? You DO understand you can't sell products for a loss and make it up on volume, yes?
Sony's mistake was the Cell chip, which even they admit now was a bad choice. it was great for supercomputing but was hell to make games for and the cost would never go down enough to make it a viable choice. they added OtherOS when they saw how much those damned Blu Ray players was gonna cost (that also bit them in the ass, with many videophiles buying PS3s ONLY for the player) and then saw they were losing $300 a pop only to never see the game sales to make it up...would you rather they went out of business? because with colleges and government buying PS3s by the tens of thousands and them losing $300 a unit that IS what would have happened. if you don't believe me look up the data yourself, they lost a couple of hundred MILLION dollars the last year of other OS.
All OtherOS "proves" is that we can't have nice things because fucking douchebags will exploit the living hell out of it, that is all.
Instead of throwing insults, as you seem to only be capable of, why don't i let the citations do the talking? Becarefulwhatyouwish for because you just might get it. Might want to rethink asking for citations or examples from me pal, I'm more than happy to slap some truth down, and I'm not even gonna call you names.
The sad part is its going down faster BECAUSE of MSFT and their refusal to listen on the "LOL I Iz A Cellphone!" Win 8 douchebaggery!
If you would have come to me or any of the thousands of PC retailers across the country in 2006 we could have told you THEN that the market was gonna take a downturn and it has NOTHING to do with cellphones and tablets, its because the MHz wars were a bubble and when the war ended the bubble burst. I was selling triple cores with 4GB of RAM as the LOW END 5 years ago, now how many users are gonna stress that system hard enough to need a faster PC? Hell my youngest is gaming on a $45 Athlon triple, THAT is how overpowered X86 chips have become.
So PCs are still gonna sell probably a good 100 million units a year, which is nothing to sneeze at, but because MSFT just can't fucking stand the thought of Apple being bigger than them in anything they will end up handing those sales on a silver platter to Google who will be happy to take that business. But Joe and Jane average aren't buying PCs before they break because...there really is no point. What will that new PC do that their Athlon dual desktop or C2D laptop won't do already? Will it surf any faster? hell their videos already play nicely, what do you have to offer them to make them spend hundreds on a new PC?
Well according to MSFT the answer to that is to tell them to throw their monitors and laptops away to buy $1000+ touchscreen systems so they can look at everything in "fingerprint-o-vision" and "enjoy" paying 30% more for cellphone app crap on their desktop...gee, thanks MSFT, that is what we always wanted. Now wonder Acer is putting their money on Chrome, you are losing those sales because you DO NOT LISTEN, and if you refuse to give customers what they want? Somebody else will.
Really? Acer has already reported their Chromebook sales are now nearly 14% of their revenue, Asus is predicting as high as 30% by 2015 because...surprise! people LIKE cheap laptops with decent performance. Who woulda thunk it?
The simple fact it is the OEMs that made MSFT, its the OEMs that will destroy them. Its not like they have a fucking choice, i can tell you I had people walk right past damned nice Win 8 systems to buy Win 7 systems at half the power just to AVOID Win 8, the OEMs can't keep their doors open while Ballmer shits away billions pretending to be Apple.
So I have ZERO doubt that even as we speak reps from various OEMs are shooting emails to Google saying "This is what we need" and you can bet your last buck that Google IS LISTENING, because every Chromebook gives them that many more searches they can sell. Every pundit said "Oh the fall of netbooks show that cheap laptops was just a fad" BULLSHIT, what killed the fucking netbooks was MSFT gouging, I bought my netbook for $300 WITH 8GB of RAM and a carrying case, the same netbook after MSFT got done raising OEM license fees was fricking $500!
Its as old as business, give the customers what they want or somebody else will. And before anybody says "Oh MSFT has money so they can't lose" BULLSHIT, #1 PC maker in the early 80s was Commodore, remember? where are they now? Gone because they didn't listen to their damned customers! Hell if Steve wouldn't have come back Apple would have been tits up by 99, NO company can survive with flatline sales, not when they have a CEO that will blow billions of dollars on failed shit like Zune,Surface,Kin,Sidekick, and probably the Nook by the end of summer, the man has pissed away a good 40 BILLION in the past 7 years with ZERO returns!
That is because the appleites bought Apple hardware to run Apple software, there was really only a small handful of popular non Apple produced software and it was the kind of stuff that was sold yearly like the DTP software.
MSFT is the exact opposite, people have HUGE piles of money investing in windows X86 software and damned near NONE of it was made by MSFT, and the ones it was made by? Isn't gonna kiss Ballmer's sweaty ass and hand over 30% of all their sales just to be put in their lousy appstore,especially when everything to do with Windows 8 has been a SuperVistaBomb.
I can't say as I feel sorry for 'em, they have been ignoring their users and giving us retail guys the finger for years, now their arrogance and Ballmer's delusion that he can slap a paintjob on a Pinto and sell it for Porsche money is torpedoing the company. Maybe when Ballmer has pissed away enough billions the board will revolt and get rid of his sorry ass and bring somebody in that will listen, until then stick with Win 7 and avoid anything with Metro like the STD that it is. Ironic that spellcheck keeps trying to turn Ballmer's name into embalmer, since he does seem to be doing his best to kill MSFT.
Yep Windows 8 (which nobody wants or likes) and the Core i5 (which many sites have said is a don't buy for how much Intel marks it up compared to the i3)..what a great combination! Its no wonder I haven't been able to find any sales figures for the Surface pro, and the schools bit shows what they are gonna do with that pile of Surface units nobody is buying (which I'm betting probably won't sell even at $199) so anybody want to hazard a guess as to how many years and billions they will piss away before Surface goes the way of the Zune?
Hell we have proof of that, look at the Windows 8 beta. You had no less that 3 betas, DP,CP, and RTM, and the entire time the testers were saying "OMG this fucking suuuuucks!" and the reviewers were calling it "Windows Frankenstein" and saying things like "Don't buy it" but what did MSFT do? Not only released that giant POS but we are now finding out Win 8.1 is everything you HATE about Windows 8 ONLY WORSE,, with even MORE focus on WinTablets (which nobody is buying), even MORE of the metro shit, its the Transformers 3 only without the cool robot battles to cover for the douchbaggery.
So I don't see how anybody could argue that MSFT wasn't suffering from a MASSIVE disconnect with their customers, fuck you could have just walked into any shop that sold Windows PCs and we could have told you that shit wasn't gonna sell, i had people pass Win 8 systems for Win 7 systems half as powerful just so they wouldn't have to take Windows 8. Hell I didn't see as much hatred with Vista and WinME, the public DOES NOT LIKE IT yet they keep killing their sales by trying to force that piece of garbage down everyone's throats just because "hey Apple is big in tablets"...well you ain't fucking Apple so just cut that shit out already! YOU SUCK AT THIS, you know what MSFT reminds me of right now? You know the annoying "comic relief" they put in kid's cartoons that is always "watch how great I am...FAIL FAIL FAIL"? THAT is MSFT, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by just being terribly inept.
Sorry, not comparable. I knew people that bought PS3s with OtherOS specifically FOR OtherOS and ya know what? They never bought a single game for the system, not one. they were buying them half a dozen at a time to make cheap clusters out of them. Considering that at the time Sony was losing something like $300 a sale? Those are the people you DO NOT WANT.
What sony found out with OtherOS is Joe Average buying a PS3 to play Uncharted couldn't give a rat's ass about using their PS3 as a fricking desktop, that is what their desktop and laptop is for, and the ones buying because of OtherOS never bought any games because nobody is playing games on a computer cluster. so in that case Sony was RIGHT to pull OtherOS, if they would have kept it frankly they would have gone bankrupt. I knew guys that worked at the local colleges talking about buying up PS3s by the dozens for clusters, we are talking about thousands of units that Sony would have lost $300 a pop on, never to see a dime of that back.
Uhhh it'll be a flop anyhow not because of the DRM, but because they are releasing a console with shittier specs than the other guy for $500 in a down economy. I'm sorry but that is fucking RETARDED, and if the reports are true that a LOT of that extra cost is forcing everyone to take the fucking Kinect, which NOBODY liked the God damned Kinect so you have saddled your console with a higher price tag to push shit your customers never liked? Well i'm sorry but you deserve to lose for being stupid.
Hell the Kinect is so damned bad the fans of Angry Joe keeping voting for Kinect games for him to play just because they know they'll be fucking awful and love to see Joe flip his shit trying to fight the damned Kinect. If you haven't seen Joe play Steel Battalion you really need to watch, he just fights and struggles against the kinect until he is just a ball of pissed off fury.
Mark my words Kinect will go down like the NES glove or the Sega bazooka in the "man that was stupid" pile, but not until MSFT keeps flogging the dead horse long past anyone caring, like how they cranked out Zunes long after people gave a shit.
Good! Its a fucking console NOT a PC! if the only way they will allow the game to be installed to the drive is to make the DRM in every. possible. metric. WORSE than the PC (Fuck Steam gives you 30 days offline and is trivial to bypass, MSFT was giving you not even a whole damned day before it would brick) then they can keep it!
I'm just glad i got the boys off the consoles when I did, at least on the PC as i said you have options, hell you can even go Humble Bundles or GOG and not have any DRM at all, whereas the consoles seem to be in a race to see who can treat their customers like thieves worse. hell at least Steam gives me things for putting up with the DRM, like free MP, updates, chat, and matchmaking, fricking MSFT makes you break out a CC just to play an online session of a game you already bought! Geez MSFT, could you BE any more greedy? Maybe you should call up Monty Burns, he'll probably have some advice on how to gouge customers a little more, damn.
He took other people's work, made them sign it over to him, and sold it out from under them...sorry, flag on the field for douchebaggery. The only person Monty cares about is Monty, or he wouldn't have screwed over the community in the first place.
As the saying goes "fool me once" and if he gets the community to do the work for him and then sells it out from under them again? Oh well, they deserve what they get.
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Alright Lorena, you've had your 15 minutes so if you want more you'll have to do something with or to a Kardashian. Until then please go sit over there, away from the sharp objects.
I find every time they go running to the Internet instead of the cops to be suspect frankly, as I can accuse anybody of anything and so can you. Like that old bit "Have you stopped beating women?" once you accuse someone you can destroy them in the court of public opinion.
Did he do it? Is she making it up? Who the hell knows, THAT IS WHAT THE COPS ARE FOR, to collect evidence and figuring out WTF went down. With the Internet no evidence is needed, no investigation, just "that one did it" is ALL that is needed. I don't know, maybe its just me, but I'm old enough to remember McMartin and how quickly the court of public opinion can crucify somebody only to later turn out to be bullshit so the whole thing makes me REALLY uncomfortable. if he did what she said she should have been on the phone to the cops not 10 minutes later, why wasn't she?
Dude unless you work at Redmond you have never HAD an Xbox S, only a handful of game devs have dev kits as of now. I don't know WTF you are smoking but you can't say something you have never owned has never had a feature you have ZERO clue about!
Also they have ALREADY started backtracking on THIS announcement, what is that, 4 flip flops in as many weeks? Now they say that while you WON'T have to have an always on connection you WILL have to have an online account and authenticate it at LEAST once, whether that is gonna be a one time or annual thing nobody can even get a straight damned answer from MSFT about, so even the guys in charge of spin don't know WTF is up with the Xbox S...yeah, great company you got there guys, when even the guys working there don't know shit.
No I think the idea that because they made a mistake they should commit seppuku is fucking idiotic. They had TWO choices, okay? TWO. they could 1.- Raise the price of the PS3 to cost plus, which would have been around 980 dollars USD. 2.- Pull the OtherOS.
But you and the FOSSie faction argue that they should choose 3.- Bleed to death because they couldn't predict that douchebags would buy 10,000 PS3s at a clip to use for cheap clusters. I'm sorry but THAT IS RETARDED, they were losing 10s of millions a month while MSFT was cutting prices on the X360 because unlike Sony they were actually making MONEY on the games but thanks to the douchebags buying 10s of thousands at a clip each PS3 owner would have to buy more than 50 games FOR THEM TO BREAK EVEN.
So what else were they suppose to do? They saw they made a mistake and corrected it,yet because so many of the FOSSie faction,who likewise were taking advantage of the situation to buy up hardware below cost, didn't like the fact that Sony wouldn't keep bleeding money they were "teh evils!". Bullshit, if you want to call 'em assholes for shit like the rootkit? Fine and dandy, but expecting a company to go bankrupt just so you can have cheaper linux boxes is douchebaggery and just because you can exploit a situation to your advantage doesn't change the fact its still exploitation. And again if the assholes wouldn't have gotten piggish and started buying tens of thousands at a clip? You'd probably still have OtherOS, but like everything else you can't do anything nice without figuring in the douchebag factor. if it were me I'd have just pulled a TiVo and locked the fuck out of it, then we'd have seen how many were buying it because they liked linux and how many were just buying it to exploit for cheap clusters.
Joe and Jane Average, who I have been building systems for and taking care of their electronics for 25 years plus? As far as mobile goes? The ONLY systems I see being threatened by mobile is the Nintendo Wii U and the handhelds like the PSP, Vita, and 3DS. The reason those are threatened is because most folks already have their phone with them anyway so carrying a portable gaming system is just making less and less sense. and the Wii U is threatened because frankly a LOT of folks have Wii units sitting in closets because other than a handful of truly great games they were buried in shovelware. From what I'm seeing here in the trenches most are taking a wait and see with the Wii U to see if its gonna get a decent library like the Gamecube or be overloaded with shit like Wii.
But you are right in that for at least another rev the consoles won't be going anywhere, but I have a feeling with the OEMs worried about moving units the prices are gonna fall when it comes to PCs so I wouldn't be surprised to see a decent amount of folks switch to PCs, especially when the differences between the PC and the consoles become less every day. Both work on TVs, both can use wired and wireless controllers, both can play online and off, only more and more are seeing how crazy cheap you can get games on the PC and with the publishers sticking it to the consoles i wouldn't be surprised to see gamers do the math and see the PC saves them money in the long run.
But who in the fuck DOES that when there is a God damned redbox down the fucking street? Its just excuses trying to cover the fact that MSFT's boneheaded plan (MSFT and boneheaded plan, gee there is something that goes together like PB&J) had the console in EVERY.SINGLE.METRIC. worse than the PC! For fucks sake even Steam gives you 30 days, you wouldn't have even had an entire fricking day with Xbone!
Sigh...are you also being obtuse or do you REALLY not understand how the console market works? the console market works under the "razor and blades" business model where you sell one part (the razor) at a loss to generate customers and then you make it up on consumables, the blades on in this case the games.
Go watch the presentations touting OtherOS by Sony and you'll see the thought of anybody buying thousands of PS3s as cluster nodes didn't even cross their mind before release, its ALL about how you'll be able to surf on the PS3 and how it'll be more like a full fledged PC, thus justifying the crazy $600 price tag. When it came out they saw a few buying clusters and they talked it up....for a bit. then they quickly STFU as they saw tens of thousands of units flying off the shelves to never be seen again, stuffed in the backroom of some college crunching data.
If douchebags wouldn't have went "Huh huh huh, we can get computing hardware below cost!" and exploited the living fuck out of it, if ONLY the home users would have used OtherOS? I have NO doubt, none at all, that you would have other OS to this very day. But thanks to douchebags whom in one single month I saw articles with a combined total of over 40 THOUSAND PS3s being bought for clusters, that is a 12 MILLION dollar loss for Sony in a single month? They had NO choice but to pull it, it was that or bleed to death. personally i thought they should have offered a $1600 "PS3 cluster edition" aimed at that market so they could pay a more realistic price for clusters but most likely Sony did a study and found out when douchebags can't get hardware below cost won't buy, but in either case you can't sell for a loss and make it up on volume, its just not possible and that was EXACTLY what was happening to Sony. Their choices were pull OtherOS or raise the PS3 to the $980 it actually cost to make...which would YOU have preferred?
It doesn't run my windows programs but crippled phone programs (which MSFT charges as much as 30% over what Apple charges for the same apps) so why should I care? I'm not a .NET programmer so i honestly don't give a shit about editing software on a bus, and I can't see that being a big enough draw to make these things be anything but a bomb. Considering that MSFT sold less than a million over the crucial holiday season and its been reported that they cut the hell out of Surface orders because they couldn't move what they had?
sorry pal but I call it as I see it and its a Vista bomb.
No shit, sales are soft because the consoles are as old as dirt and all we have been getting lately is the same old same, not to mention this is the time of years when sales ALWAYS goes down because hey! Its summer, people actually want to go outside and enjoy the nice weather, who woulda thunk it?
But the ONLY console maker that has to worry about the iPad is Nintendo, they have bet the farm on the casual market who is too busy playing with their pads to care about the Wii U, especially since the big gimmick this time is the Wii U actually coming with a pad of its own and so many being burnt by the Wii being the home of a handful of decent games and a mountain of shovelware.
As for the rest of the market? Some will go with Xb1, probably more will go with PS4 thanks to lower prices on the hardware and MSFT's well publicized douchebaggery as of late, and with the prices of PCs never cheaper and the games so much more affordable some will join us PC gamers on our side of the fence, especially since HDMI makes pretty much any PC made in the last 5 years usable just like a console. Things are slowing down now because duh! Nobody is wanting to sink money into old consoles when new consoles will be out before Xmas.
And people wonder why I kept Office 2K and use it on my netbook. With the compatibility pack i can open just about any Office doc no problem, yet the entire install was less than 600Mb and word takes up less than 30Mb and zero CPU, even on the Bobcat APU.
You place office 2K7 or 2K10 beside office 2K and you realize just how fricking bloated office has become, my little APU netbook with office 2K can do tasks faster than my hexacore with office 2K7, its THAT bloated.
Dude are you REALLY gonna argue that old Monty was the ONLY ONE that worked on MySQL all those years? Really? Old Monty was more than happy to accept patches from other people...as long as he got the rights to them, and what did he do? He sold it out from under the community!
So if your argument is correct he might as well just make MariaDB proprietary, since after all the community doesn't do shit to improve it at all. But I bet if you go through the changelogs for MySQL before old Monty sold it you'll find plenty of names that are NOT Monty. And again, if you are THAt stupid? you deserve to be screwed, i have zero fucks to give about somebody who sees a guy fuck them over only to go right back, zero fucks.
But why in God's name would you NEED the "family plan" if you can just hand them the damned disc? What, you are gonna buy 3 or 4 $500 XB1s so that everybody in your family can be playing on a separate system?
I can honestly say i don't think I have EVER seen more than one of a particular model console in a home, and you can bet with the way MSFT charges for MP (while Sony and PCs have it free) you sure as hell weren't gonna be able to have your family play a MP game with a single copy, no way in hell would MSFT go for that.
And you hand that Bic to an enraged chimp he will STILL make a mess, thus proving my point that its NOT the tool, its the user. And when you are talking about writing programs that could potentially end up on thousands or even millions of PCs and possibly open the system up to malware? Then yes i would argue that you should be a hell of a lot closer to a surgeon than an enraged chimp to be a programmer.
Sorry but here is the flag, bullshit on the field. the PS4 uses GDDR 5, the Xbone? Plain old DDR 3. That alone is gonna cripple the living fuck out of Xbone because as anybody with an APU will tell you RAM speed makes a HUGE difference in performance when it comes to those, I just went from 1066 to 1333 and got like a 20% boost on my APU so you can imagine how huge a difference ultra fast GDDR 5 is gonna have. Also IIRC the PS4 jag chip is like 20% faster and has more power on the GPU side than the Xbone, again with an APU those little changes make a BIG difference. finally the PS 4 is a whole $100 CHEAPER, which considering its gonna be Xmas will mean the difference between getting a couple of extra games with your system or not.
So I'm sorry but if someone came asking me about the consoles i'd have to point them to the PS4, because even without the MSFT douchebaggery the PS4 has clearly better hardware and considering how long the last gen lasted you are gonna want every extra bit of speed you can get.
Are you seriously dumb, or are you being obtuse on purpose to start shit? Sony touted OtherOS because they were pushing the very Jap-Centric idea of the "box that does everything" including being a desktop. We saw something similar with the original PSOne DVR, Sony has always wanted to add non game stuff to their consoles to make them more appealing.
But what Sony didn't fricking realize was just how damned easy it was to hack OtherOS and turn it into a cluster node, for fucks sake you had the USAF buying 15 THOUSAND PS3s to do simulations on 'em! Now are you REALLY gonna argue that a feature that was 1.- put in for a group (the home consumer) that didn't use it or care about it, and 2.- Was being exploited like crazy by those wanting cheap supercomputers was something they SHOULD have kept? Really? You DO understand you can't sell products for a loss and make it up on volume, yes?
Sony's mistake was the Cell chip, which even they admit now was a bad choice. it was great for supercomputing but was hell to make games for and the cost would never go down enough to make it a viable choice. they added OtherOS when they saw how much those damned Blu Ray players was gonna cost (that also bit them in the ass, with many videophiles buying PS3s ONLY for the player) and then saw they were losing $300 a pop only to never see the game sales to make it up...would you rather they went out of business? because with colleges and government buying PS3s by the tens of thousands and them losing $300 a unit that IS what would have happened. if you don't believe me look up the data yourself, they lost a couple of hundred MILLION dollars the last year of other OS.
All OtherOS "proves" is that we can't have nice things because fucking douchebags will exploit the living hell out of it, that is all.
Instead of throwing insults, as you seem to only be capable of, why don't i let the citations do the talking? Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. Might want to rethink asking for citations or examples from me pal, I'm more than happy to slap some truth down, and I'm not even gonna call you names.
The sad part is its going down faster BECAUSE of MSFT and their refusal to listen on the "LOL I Iz A Cellphone!" Win 8 douchebaggery!
If you would have come to me or any of the thousands of PC retailers across the country in 2006 we could have told you THEN that the market was gonna take a downturn and it has NOTHING to do with cellphones and tablets, its because the MHz wars were a bubble and when the war ended the bubble burst. I was selling triple cores with 4GB of RAM as the LOW END 5 years ago, now how many users are gonna stress that system hard enough to need a faster PC? Hell my youngest is gaming on a $45 Athlon triple, THAT is how overpowered X86 chips have become.
So PCs are still gonna sell probably a good 100 million units a year, which is nothing to sneeze at, but because MSFT just can't fucking stand the thought of Apple being bigger than them in anything they will end up handing those sales on a silver platter to Google who will be happy to take that business. But Joe and Jane average aren't buying PCs before they break because...there really is no point. What will that new PC do that their Athlon dual desktop or C2D laptop won't do already? Will it surf any faster? hell their videos already play nicely, what do you have to offer them to make them spend hundreds on a new PC?
Well according to MSFT the answer to that is to tell them to throw their monitors and laptops away to buy $1000+ touchscreen systems so they can look at everything in "fingerprint-o-vision" and "enjoy" paying 30% more for cellphone app crap on their desktop...gee, thanks MSFT, that is what we always wanted. Now wonder Acer is putting their money on Chrome, you are losing those sales because you DO NOT LISTEN, and if you refuse to give customers what they want? Somebody else will.
Really? Acer has already reported their Chromebook sales are now nearly 14% of their revenue, Asus is predicting as high as 30% by 2015 because...surprise! people LIKE cheap laptops with decent performance. Who woulda thunk it?
The simple fact it is the OEMs that made MSFT, its the OEMs that will destroy them. Its not like they have a fucking choice, i can tell you I had people walk right past damned nice Win 8 systems to buy Win 7 systems at half the power just to AVOID Win 8, the OEMs can't keep their doors open while Ballmer shits away billions pretending to be Apple.
So I have ZERO doubt that even as we speak reps from various OEMs are shooting emails to Google saying "This is what we need" and you can bet your last buck that Google IS LISTENING, because every Chromebook gives them that many more searches they can sell. Every pundit said "Oh the fall of netbooks show that cheap laptops was just a fad" BULLSHIT, what killed the fucking netbooks was MSFT gouging, I bought my netbook for $300 WITH 8GB of RAM and a carrying case, the same netbook after MSFT got done raising OEM license fees was fricking $500!
Its as old as business, give the customers what they want or somebody else will. And before anybody says "Oh MSFT has money so they can't lose" BULLSHIT, #1 PC maker in the early 80s was Commodore, remember? where are they now? Gone because they didn't listen to their damned customers! Hell if Steve wouldn't have come back Apple would have been tits up by 99, NO company can survive with flatline sales, not when they have a CEO that will blow billions of dollars on failed shit like Zune,Surface,Kin,Sidekick, and probably the Nook by the end of summer, the man has pissed away a good 40 BILLION in the past 7 years with ZERO returns!
That is because the appleites bought Apple hardware to run Apple software, there was really only a small handful of popular non Apple produced software and it was the kind of stuff that was sold yearly like the DTP software.
MSFT is the exact opposite, people have HUGE piles of money investing in windows X86 software and damned near NONE of it was made by MSFT, and the ones it was made by? Isn't gonna kiss Ballmer's sweaty ass and hand over 30% of all their sales just to be put in their lousy appstore,especially when everything to do with Windows 8 has been a SuperVistaBomb.
I can't say as I feel sorry for 'em, they have been ignoring their users and giving us retail guys the finger for years, now their arrogance and Ballmer's delusion that he can slap a paintjob on a Pinto and sell it for Porsche money is torpedoing the company. Maybe when Ballmer has pissed away enough billions the board will revolt and get rid of his sorry ass and bring somebody in that will listen, until then stick with Win 7 and avoid anything with Metro like the STD that it is. Ironic that spellcheck keeps trying to turn Ballmer's name into embalmer, since he does seem to be doing his best to kill MSFT.
Yep Windows 8 (which nobody wants or likes) and the Core i5 (which many sites have said is a don't buy for how much Intel marks it up compared to the i3)..what a great combination! Its no wonder I haven't been able to find any sales figures for the Surface pro, and the schools bit shows what they are gonna do with that pile of Surface units nobody is buying (which I'm betting probably won't sell even at $199) so anybody want to hazard a guess as to how many years and billions they will piss away before Surface goes the way of the Zune?
Hell we have proof of that, look at the Windows 8 beta. You had no less that 3 betas, DP,CP, and RTM, and the entire time the testers were saying "OMG this fucking suuuuucks!" and the reviewers were calling it "Windows Frankenstein" and saying things like "Don't buy it" but what did MSFT do? Not only released that giant POS but we are now finding out Win 8.1 is everything you HATE about Windows 8 ONLY WORSE,, with even MORE focus on WinTablets (which nobody is buying), even MORE of the metro shit, its the Transformers 3 only without the cool robot battles to cover for the douchbaggery.
So I don't see how anybody could argue that MSFT wasn't suffering from a MASSIVE disconnect with their customers, fuck you could have just walked into any shop that sold Windows PCs and we could have told you that shit wasn't gonna sell, i had people pass Win 8 systems for Win 7 systems half as powerful just so they wouldn't have to take Windows 8. Hell I didn't see as much hatred with Vista and WinME, the public DOES NOT LIKE IT yet they keep killing their sales by trying to force that piece of garbage down everyone's throats just because "hey Apple is big in tablets"...well you ain't fucking Apple so just cut that shit out already! YOU SUCK AT THIS, you know what MSFT reminds me of right now? You know the annoying "comic relief" they put in kid's cartoons that is always "watch how great I am...FAIL FAIL FAIL"? THAT is MSFT, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by just being terribly inept.
Sorry, not comparable. I knew people that bought PS3s with OtherOS specifically FOR OtherOS and ya know what? They never bought a single game for the system, not one. they were buying them half a dozen at a time to make cheap clusters out of them. Considering that at the time Sony was losing something like $300 a sale? Those are the people you DO NOT WANT.
What sony found out with OtherOS is Joe Average buying a PS3 to play Uncharted couldn't give a rat's ass about using their PS3 as a fricking desktop, that is what their desktop and laptop is for, and the ones buying because of OtherOS never bought any games because nobody is playing games on a computer cluster. so in that case Sony was RIGHT to pull OtherOS, if they would have kept it frankly they would have gone bankrupt. I knew guys that worked at the local colleges talking about buying up PS3s by the dozens for clusters, we are talking about thousands of units that Sony would have lost $300 a pop on, never to see a dime of that back.
Uhhh it'll be a flop anyhow not because of the DRM, but because they are releasing a console with shittier specs than the other guy for $500 in a down economy. I'm sorry but that is fucking RETARDED, and if the reports are true that a LOT of that extra cost is forcing everyone to take the fucking Kinect, which NOBODY liked the God damned Kinect so you have saddled your console with a higher price tag to push shit your customers never liked? Well i'm sorry but you deserve to lose for being stupid.
Hell the Kinect is so damned bad the fans of Angry Joe keeping voting for Kinect games for him to play just because they know they'll be fucking awful and love to see Joe flip his shit trying to fight the damned Kinect. If you haven't seen Joe play Steel Battalion you really need to watch, he just fights and struggles against the kinect until he is just a ball of pissed off fury.
Mark my words Kinect will go down like the NES glove or the Sega bazooka in the "man that was stupid" pile, but not until MSFT keeps flogging the dead horse long past anyone caring, like how they cranked out Zunes long after people gave a shit.
Good! Its a fucking console NOT a PC! if the only way they will allow the game to be installed to the drive is to make the DRM in every. possible. metric. WORSE than the PC (Fuck Steam gives you 30 days offline and is trivial to bypass, MSFT was giving you not even a whole damned day before it would brick) then they can keep it!
I'm just glad i got the boys off the consoles when I did, at least on the PC as i said you have options, hell you can even go Humble Bundles or GOG and not have any DRM at all, whereas the consoles seem to be in a race to see who can treat their customers like thieves worse. hell at least Steam gives me things for putting up with the DRM, like free MP, updates, chat, and matchmaking, fricking MSFT makes you break out a CC just to play an online session of a game you already bought! Geez MSFT, could you BE any more greedy? Maybe you should call up Monty Burns, he'll probably have some advice on how to gouge customers a little more, damn.
He took other people's work, made them sign it over to him, and sold it out from under them...sorry, flag on the field for douchebaggery. The only person Monty cares about is Monty, or he wouldn't have screwed over the community in the first place.
As the saying goes "fool me once" and if he gets the community to do the work for him and then sells it out from under them again? Oh well, they deserve what they get.