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Next SurfaceRT To Come With Qualcomm Snapdragon 800, LTE
recoiledsnake writes "Following up on our previous discussion of Microsoft selling discounted SurfaceRT tablets to schools (which fueled speculation about the future of Surface RT), Bloomberg is now reporting that Microsoft is fast at work on the next Surface RT which will replace the current Tegra 3 with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 chip which has stellar benchmarks against the likes of the upcoming Tegra 4, Apple A6X, and Exynos processors, especially in the GPU and graphics department. Since the SoC comes with 3g/LTE, this might be the first Surface to support integrated cellular data. There are also indications that there could be an 8" version, and that the new versions might be revealed alongside the Windows 8.1 preview bits at the upcoming BUILD conference, starting on June 26."
Bloomberg is now reporting that Microsoft is fast at work on the next Surface RT which will replace the current Tegra 3 with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 chip
Will they also replace Windows RT with Windows? Because it seems awfully like they replaced Windows with new Folger's Crystals, and you can taste the difference.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
So far you've been only posting on MS-related stories and you're really awfully quick to FP such answer, on something that people clearly don't really care about (minutes without posts, seriously, that's like unheard of), on some OP that merely gives possibilities of future devices, and saying that MS _might_ be doing something with _probably_ some silicon.
Seriously
I'm not a big fan of Microsoft
Lies, you're shilling.
... whatever
but it will still be an ARM version of Win8 that isn't compatible with what people want to run right now.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
Here ladies and gentlemen, we have a Reputation Manager hard at work.
High user number, low post count, all of which praise MS in some way.
The check's in the post.
It's a Surface...
So it can fail faster?
Even though increased hardware performance like computing power, features and increased battery life certainly won't hurt, performance isn't really the problem with Windows RT tablets now is it?
- Henrik
- when the Shadows descend -
NeXT is making a SurfaceRT?
I'd assume they would be doing something with some new version of an iPad.
Until and unless they change "Windows" RT so that it lets non-Microsoft applications run on the desktop, no one cares. People aren't writing applications for Metro and aren't going to start. If they opened up the desktop, then at least many existing programs would work with just a recompile.
Why are the EU antitrust authorities letting them get away with this, anyway? (I'd ask the same about the US, but for all intents and purposes we don't *have* antitrust authorities.)
I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but SurfaceRT has always inspired me.
Yes, it's inspired me to hope that M$ keep going belly-up with these ill-conceived ideas, and that within a decade they will have faded to an also-ran status.
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Do we have to go through the the same BS we went through when Windows 8 was in consumer preview. Months of, "I've used Windows 8 since Developer preview, and it's just swell. My five year old loves... blah... blah... blah...".
./, we're the techies that decide how good a product is. Windows 8 is a failure, no one's buying your BS here, find a local news paper to post in.
This is
Yeah! Not fan of Microsoft, but fun to see your reply in the same minute that the main entry was posted! Still not fan.
MSFT tends to get things right on their third go. Surface is getting Outlook and a start menu in the next month or so. Surface 2 is going to have a higher resolution display. Will it work? Who knows - but they seem to be giving it a serious shake.
with apple sucking up most of the world's money it seems like people think Microsoft will save them again
Possible Microsoft shill detected.
Microsoft shill confirmed.
Microsoft FUD detected, presenting false data as facts.
More Microsoft FUD detected.
Obvious shill is totally obvious.
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This is such good news! All the complaints about 'Surface RT' that I've heard so far have centered on how the Tegra3 is too slow, and doesn't have enough LTE. Nothing about how the hilariously perfunctory not-quite-office version of office is deeply touch-unfriendly, or being locked into Microsoft's walled garden store, or the relatively tiny application library. This should fix everything!
RT can come with a pony and i still won't want RT.
It's not compatable with the BILLIONS of windows programs. Not compatable with the millions of nix programs without major work. Not compatable with the thousands of mac programs.
It's compatable with nothing.
It's shit. Stop telling me it's not shit just because you fucked up and still want my money.
The amazing thing is that they can't seem to hide their breathless devotion when they do this. "I think it's great they are getting these in stores!" This reads like all the MS ad copy I've ever seen. It's always so forced and weird. Nobody talks like that! note my use of an exl. point. It's warranted. No one is that excited about any product, ever. Except for maybe bacon. Or, should I say, "bacon!"
Apple fanboys and consoles fanboys can be that excited, but they still wouldn't word it in that fashion.
"I think it's great they are getting these in stores!" sounds like the point of view of the seller, not the buyer.
As an example, a PS4 fanboy would say something like "I'll camp on the sidewalk for days if I have to, but I'm getting one on launch day! Xbox sucks!!1".
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It literally sounds like something that Ballmer would say on stage.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
I think this might be a little harsh. Many of us work with Microsoft every goddamn day of our lives and we have a horse in this race even if we aren't necessarily fans of the company or most of their products. I'm a .Net developer, so this tablet doesn't fit with what I do. However, here I am, reading this story because maybe, just maybe, there could be something to be gleamed from this. I think a lot of people are throwing around the shill word here on Slashdot without realizing that we nerds have an investment in these companies and their crazy schemes and products without being on their payroll, or honestly even in their fan club. (I grew up on Amigas wishing for the death of Microsoft as a business, yet now that I earn my bread using their products I'm moderately glad that they're still around. I don't think I qualify for the fan club though.)
O my troll,
You wish to deprecate me,
But you strengthen me by validating my comments,
You let me know that I interfere with your shilling
I am renewed in thee.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
with apple sucking up most of the world's money it seems like people think Microsoft will save them again
I am not even sure what this means, if you are referring to the fact that Apple managed to launch a successful *tablet* and siphon up most of the early adopter money. As it did with the the Mp3 Player(The only market Apple managed to maintain in the lead in both the maturing...and now its decline), and Smartphone...the Tablet...Microsoft failed to compete with *All* of them. Its no secret of how they have managed to Destroy Nokia...a company Huawei said they would not buy this week because of its choice of Windows Phone OS. Its no secret that Android currently dominates the smartphone market...and nothing (in the short term) is going to stop that Apples market share is about 15%. The same is happening right now with the tablet market again...something the Surface RT is (with a sad keyboard gimmick), Android is unsurprisingly also outselling Apple in Tablets, and again the margin continues to widen.
The hilarious thing about your post, now Apples profits are dropping, is that Android succeeded by being more consumer and manufacture friendly (Literally it gives it away) than Apple. Ironically Microsoft have been a massive failure by copying Apples (failing in a maturing market) consumer hostile and Manufacture hostile approach.
Shit, I've made mock shill posts just to watch you faggots get your panties all knotted up over it.
And all 15 of the people that bought, and kept, their Surface RT tablets are now going to be pissed at the 6 month product lifecycle.
With the deep discounts that Microsoft is giving on these things, they're getting dangerously close to "we can't even give them away."
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
This article isn't about a desktop, it's about the Surface RT... a tablet.
Windows 8 tuns all computing devices into poor tablets with keyboard gimmick. So I'm not really sure what you are arguing.
I do the same. It's way too funny. These guys act like they're fucking super sleuths.
I've got no feelings attached to Microsoft, good or bad. I don't care; they make products I can use - so I use them, they make products that suck donkey balls - I don't use them. I am very much a fan of using the right tool for the job though. What i dislike is fanboyism, Google, Apple, Linux, Microsoft or whatever, people blinded so badly by their religion are the worst kind of scum.
OP however has had nothing of value to contribute to Slashdot, as evident by his posting history. That earns him the brand of "shill", whether you like it or not, that is what he is - promoting something he neither understands nor particularly cares about, for a profit.
... whatever
The Good: RT gets us into ARM and it leaves behind a ton of baggage that has hindered good development on MS platforms.
The Bad: Microsoft can't market their way out of a wet paper sack. Looking at the commercials all I can tell is there's a snap on keyboard and people in Washington State like to dance. Moreover, even the BlackBerry Tablet had a bigger release profile and certainly better availability in stores. All of this lead to very few apps and developers that threw their lot in with RT early on getting burned.
The Ugly: Do a Pro Tablet, or do a RT tablet. Don't do both. Consumers have no idea what the difference is. The ones that bought an RT tablet feel pretty underwhelmed by the app availability.
The general public definitely knows about and cares about the Surface.
It's some sort of device that teaches you to breakdance, right?
Now you guys have done it, he's going to end up in Room 101 at Redmond
Apple fanboys and consoles fanboys can be that excited, but they still wouldn't word it in that fashion.
"I think it's great they are getting these in stores!" sounds like the point of view of the seller, not the buyer.
As an example, a PS4 fanboy would say something like "I'll camp on the sidewalk for days if I have to, but I'm getting one on launch day! Xbox sucks!!1".
ms fanbois who do blatant shilling tend to work for ms or related company. it's like there's a reality distortion field in there what is appropriate to write as your own "opinion" then. actually I suspect it's because they believe their superiors inside the company are reading what they are posting on fb etc, which might not be that far from the truth - now if it really improves their position within company peers or not I don't know, but they seem to believe so.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
The Good: RT gets us into ARM and it leaves behind a ton of baggage that has hindered good development on MS platforms.
I personally agree with you that Windows reliance(and advantages) of Intel and X86 have come to the end of their usefulness for Microsoft, and is now a massive albatross around its neck. At least they both get to sit with their 70% profit margins. Perhaps they should have done something sooner...or at least compete on price(Still find it hilarious that Apple haven't with their dropping profits)...at least they still have the lacklustre desktop market, unless Chrome...or got forbid a manufacture gets serious about GNU/Linux.
I vote for Chromebook, because it takes the open Linux operating system and cripples it in a vicious way to make it everything that open source is against - a crippled walled garden where you can't run your own software. At least MS is honest - they're locking down their already proprietary OS and making a compelling case for open source.
There are plenty of other reasons to buy a Windows tablet over iPad..
If there where you would be arguing on those points. The frightening thing is Android manufacturers now outsell the iPad in the tablet market, is the shrinking iPad market(closed devices sold on brand rather than substance) really the market Microsoft should be chasing.
Since this is obviously coming from a microsoft marketing guy, next time tr not to make your story so obvious that its a sham.
Someone posting absurdly pro Microsoft posts on Slashdot? No I don't think shill is quite the word. I'd have to sum it up with successful troll is successful.
The first post troll under the bridge is having fun getting a lot of posts and attention on Slashdot.
This space for rent.
Windows Phone OS was constantly talked about as the CPU(s) didn't matter.. that was back when WP7 couldn't use more than one CPU. Now the CPU speed is important? These people, Microsoft, are pathetic and a waste in this industry after all these years. And look at there XBox how they are so messed up with what their customers want they have to let public outcry dictate policy changes. Nice research department those people just have if they had no clue always-phone-home wasn't going to be a problem.
Windows 8 and Windows RT on tablets and phones is still in the single digits for market share so why does anyone care? We don't see RIM getting this kind of attention and press do we? Enough with wasting time on Microsoft in tablet and phone space until they are worthy of the time and attention.
It's SHILL not SHRILL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shill
even bing knows!
http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/Search?q=define+shill
Not Shrill..
The only difference between a Microsoft shill and an Apple shills is that Apple duped millions to be their shill and don't even pay them.
My [insert Apple product] is so fantastic and amazing because [ignores all reality and add excessive hyperbole to describe device an features]. That is why I buy one every 6 months!
BTW there are no Google shills because in spite of having the largest mobile platform nobody actually likes Android yet and only says they do to be alternative. It's like listening to Gotye and hiding your cringes while saying you love his music, just to seem cool.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
And he doesn't write very well.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Well it was so ridiculously gushing and inaccurate that I thought at first he was going for the "funny" mod...
No one is that excited about any product, ever. Except for maybe bacon. Or, should I say, "bacon!"
No you should say "chunky bacon"!
Yes, insanely great! Better than wild monkey sex!
Now you can run all your favourite Windows applications even faster than before!
Oh wait...
For what it's worth, you actually can develop in .NET for Windows RT - either through official channels (the Windows Store supports all .NET languages, though you have to use XAML, HTML5, or DirectX for graphics, not WinForms or console or anything traditional like that...) or through development for "jailbroken" tablets (once the restriction to Microsoft-signed binaries on the desktop is gone, Windows RT will very happily run .NET 4.0 or later code, provided it was compiled for "AnyCPU" as is the default in Visual Studio).
The OS also comes with csc.exe (the C# compiler) and there's a .NET IDE which has been ported to run on the OS, so you can even develop code on Surface RT. Not saying you *should*, necessarily - the Touch Cover is in fact usable for coding, but I'd want at least a Type Cover before doing serious work - but you can.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
Actually, leaving aside the built-in apps (of which the only really performance-sensitive one is IE), it's actually pretty easy to enable running traditional Windows apps on Windows RT. The "jailbreak" script is public and dead easy to use. .NET apps will run un-modified. Native ones need to be recompiled, but there's already quite a few which have been (including a number of games, which will definitely benefit from improved performance). Alternatively, there's also an x86 dynamic recompilation layer which allows running native apps unmodified (handy since most Windows apps are closed source and thus can't be easily recompiled) although the performance is of course not great (which means that a faster CPU will help a lot there too).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2130
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FUD this, FUD that
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I wish my Surface RT had Visual Studio...
So how does the performance and energy consumption stack up to a new Haswell x86 chip?
OK, swap FUD for Bullshit. In this instance it works the same
Although MSFT claimed to lock down WinRT to force developers to target Metro so there would be lots of tablet friendly apps instead of win32 ports, my theories as to why MSFT really decided to have a locked down WinRT...
1. They are mostly using WinRT as a lever against Intel to get them to reduce the margins on x86 chips so that they can compete against android in the low-end tablet space w/ x86 chips. If this strategy is successful and intel capitulates, they didn't want too many consumer WinRT ARM win32 binaries floating in the wild to support as they drop support for ARM.
2. They wanted to sell unlocked versions to enterprises at a higher price.
3. Available ARM SOCs are 32-bit and the GPUs don't yet have universal support for DX10 (the minimum required for win8) and they don't want developers to go back a generation to the lowest common denominator just to pickup WinRT compatibility as that would undermine the upgrade cycle component of their business.
4. They didn't want to support malware/anti-virus on ARM (maybe because of $$$ supporting too many platforms or maybe slow performance on ARM).
All these reasons could change in the future, but they were probably important during the original launch (and thus they flipped the flag to lock it down).
Nope, just the standard "shill" troll that works every time, successfully drawing a bunch of angry nerds away from the discussion. Trolling you tards is like shooting fish in a barrel, it's sad.
Yet another TROLL WIN, you swallowed it hook, line and sinker.
Sure you did. Now why not post under the username you supposedly shilled/trolled under so we can see how well you did?
Yeah. Thought so.
you may be too young to remember, but the NT family - which includes Win7 and Win8 - has always come on multiple architectures
By "multiple" you mean x86-32, x86-64 and IA64, right? Or do you mean further back when NT4 ran on MIPS, Solaris, and Power?
Don't forget DEC Alpha, I had one of those beasts on my desk a couple of decades ago.
And I think you mean Sparc not Solaris, but NT didn't support that either way.