Scriptures? And be sure to use a concordance because frankly the King James translation should be banned because of how badly that misogynistic prick fucked with the translation. And don't forget that Matthew 5.17-18 from Jesus' mouth says the old testament counts so you gotta cover that too.
Whether you like it or not is irrelevant but just actually reading the words you'll find the deity in the bible, if the exact same actions were attributed to any king today, would be seen as a monster. Look up what he told David when he took a city, it was pretty much "Kill the men and boys, have fun with the women and any girls that are cute, only catch is you gotta keep 'em if you bang 'em". There are those that give similar orders today, we don't consider those nice leaders, much less worth our belief.
To me that is the truly sad part about religion, by being indoctrinated by only the nice parts for most of their childhoods most refuse to actually just sit down and read the book with a dispassionate eye, because if they did? Your God is...well not nice, not nice at all.
But you missed the point which is WHY pay that extra $4 when you don't have to? As the list showed you can get Athlon X2s and first gen cores for the same price and they suck a hell of a lot less juice and don't belch out heat.
So its not like its pay $x or pay $x+y, its pay $x for a power piggie or pay $x for a non piggie, why pay for the piggie?
Oh please! The dirty ugly truth is that YOU sir or madam are an elitist. Why can I say that? because i will bet my last nickel you have never been poor and what you and the industry don't want to wrap your snooty little noses around is that poor people game too in fact its pretty God damned obvious that a hell of a lot of them game, or else gamestop wouldn't have a market.
Tell me, when is the last time you sold a game? have you EVER sold a game? While I haven't I've known plenty that have and it was because they couldn't afford a new game otherwise which is exactly what they are pointing out in TFA. To YOU sir $70 may not be much, but to others its quite a lot. I always keep a couple of sub $100 P4 towers in my shop, do I LIKE the P4? fuck no, i hate the damned thing, don't like the XP that is on 'em either but the simple fact is there are people that can't afford better and unlike an elitist I serve everybody, rich and poor alike.
So maybe you and the games industry should get your nose out of the air and smell reality a little. look around, see that suffering? its called a Global recession Chuck, and games aren't required like food and rent. i may have money but since ditching the consoles i haven't spent a dime over $25 for any single game thanks to Steam and i don't care if your game is the second coming of Christ me and my family never will. We have better things to spend our money on that give greedy publishers $60+ (more like $130 by the time they gouge us for all the "DLC" they cut out) and you and the industry might want to think about that.
But no, the short sighted retarded as fuck "damn all but the quarterly reports" attitude of Wall street that is killing this country infects the gaming industry like ass cancer so they'll happily slit their own throats and be shocked! Shocked I tell you! When they kill gamestop and their sales go DOWN and not up. Faced with being gouged and no way to offset the costs many will just wash their hands. Don't worry though, HTPCs that can game are cheaper than ever and I'll be happy to take that business as will Valve.
"I think the puppet on the left shares MY beliefs, well I think the puppet on the right shares MY interests at heart...hey wait a minute, there is one guy working both puppets!"...Bill Hicks.
The whole Left Vs Right is a shell game played by the elite to keep the masses bickering instead of wondering why their money is worth less and their conditions get worse every year, that's all. the ONLY difference between the two is which booty they prefer to pucker up for, the Rs like the taste of multinational and MIC booty, the left prefers the taste of big media and union booty, neither would piss on the common man if they were on fire.
But this video sums it up better than I ever could. in the end you just end up begging for a few scraps from whichever corporate master is in charge this round, neither gives a piss about you.
That it sucks balls for piracy? Lets face it Usenet was made for the time of things fitting on a floppy and not these huge multi-GB files you have now, which is why you have hacks like Par files. Things don't stay up long enough, its too easy to get corrupted in transit, Usenet simply isn't built for the modern age and bringing it up is like comparing Gopher to modern HTTP, its just not really comparable.
Actually I believe that health care could solve the problem of the stronger drugs so that prohibition even with those wouldn't be needed, instead you would get them from a doctor who would also get you the mental help you need.
I'll never forget the words of a monk that works with addicts "Nobody ever wakes up and says "I want to be a meth junkie". In reality there is ONE THING, one thing in their past they simply can NOT face, if you help them face and work through that? Then getting them off the drugs is frankly easy." He gave two examples, one a prostitute whose father had molested her and her sisters while her mother did nothing, by confronting that and working through it she was able to get off drugs and now works as a secretary, and in the other a man whose sister died in a car he was driving and the parents blamed him even though it was a drunk that hit them. it turned out the sister was the "golden child' and he wasn't really wanted anyway so that just gave them another excuse to hate him. When the monk took him to the graves of his parents and helped him work through that he was able to get off drugs and works in a little appliance store.
In the end prohibition simply doesn't work, its not the drug its the broken people that are the problem. By treating the problem as what it is, broken people, one can get a handle on it and work to lower and possibly eliminate the problem. you may never be able to fix all of them, I had a friend in HS that is probably again living on the streets as he has done off and on throughout his life, his mother was getting him high and molesting him from the time he was 8 so he has no idea how to even live without being intoxicated, but just locking people like him up does no good and ignores the bigger issue which is WHY they are like they are.
As the monk said, nobody wakes up and wants to be a junkie.
Hell I'm finding out that it is frankly cheaper to go into one of the indie studios than it is to even record yourself with the PC. We have a nice 16 track digital recorder and when you figure in the mikes, the time required to get a decent mix, any gear you may have to rent, frankly its cheaper to go into the studio as there are plenty of indie studios that charge anywhere from $35-$60 an hour and that includes having a good engineer running the board.
So while I agree that its cheap to go DIY and sell your own CDs and shirts there is a point where DIY becomes the worse way to go. i've heard CDs done by musicians with a PC and those done by the smaller indie studios and frankly the indies sound a hell of a lot better than the DIY CDs. Just because you are a good singer or guitarist does not mean you're a good mixer or engineer.
Not to mention that in the places they aren't regulated they just get together and have nice little deals, see cherry picking for an example. in my town there are plenty of places where if you live on the LEFT side you can get cable and/or DSL, but not the right....WTF? Its a street, not a fucking canyon! I've been having to deal with this kind of bullshit for years myself, my mother lives barely a block from the cable and DSL junction boxes, you can literally see both from her front door...neither will run it a single block and now that the local WISP is going OOB (thank's to them being gouged on backbone access from what i heard) if I can't bug the living shit out of them until they'll run it the boys are gonna have to move and leave my elderly mother alone because they can't go to college without broadband.
Frankly the whole situation in the USA is like a bad joke, the prices are crazy, service in most places lousy, if you can even GET service, and things certainly aren't getting any better. We need to just take the last mile and open it up to competition and then if the ISPs want a monopoly they'll have to run decent lines out to all those people they've been ignoring for years. Our broadband isn't low because people don't want it, its low because they either can't get it or the only option in their area charges ass raping prices!
Hell we already paid them 200 billion for nationwide broadband and all we got in return was a low rez Goatse while they stuffed the money into their pockets. Of course this country has become so damned corrupt and "all hail the corporate masters!" that good fucking luck getting anything done about it.
But now that OO is Apache and IBM is supporting how much longer will that be the case? if anybody knows enterprise its IBM and their name still carries weight.
and what "LOL I'm Apple!" Ballmer needs to worry about is NOT the users as much as the OEMs. you may not remember your history but once upon a time IBM was in the same place MSFT is, until they tried to buttfuck the OEMs on the MCA bus. The OEMs got together and said "Fuck you, EISA!" and left IBM to play in a corner and within 10 years IBM was out of the PC business.
The exact same thing looks to be beginning to brew, the OEMs aren't gonna quietly go out of business because Steve Ballmer wants to be Steve Jobs, which is why you have Dell talking to Canonical and with Valve on linux supporting not only the game but could just as easily become the "one stop shop" for ALL third party proprietary apps on Linux frankly it wouldn't take much work at all for the OEMs to get together and say "fuck you!" to MSFT.
So if Win 8 bombs, which there is a damned good chance it will, the OEMs really only have three choices. 1.- They demand and get the right to continue selling Win 7, which means Ballmer's "LOL we're Apple now!" goes down in flames, 2.- they sell a handful of Windows 8 systems while switching over to something else like Linux, or 3.-They go out of business.
Do you REALLY think they are gonna choose #3 just to make Ballmer's delusions a reality? Do you REALLY think all those OEMs are just gonna lay everyone off and close their doors just to make Steve happy? Because if you believe that I have some magic beans you might be interested in. Jobs could pull it off because he owned the ENTIRE CHAIN, he made the hardware, the software, it was his playground and you played the game HIS way or you GTFO.
That is the exact opposite of MSFT, if the OEMs give them the finger and dump win 8 on the back page or only put it on the cheap junk systems while pushing Linux that leaves Steve standing there with his dick in his hand and they KNOW this, so if Win 8 isn't an instant smash hit you'll either see them demanding (and getting) Win 7 which puts Steve right back where he was, or if Ballmer "shows some spine" as you put it I hope MSFT is ready to buy their own manufacturing plants and build everything themselves, from the boxes and laptops to the tablets and phones, because frankly the OEMs aren't gonna slit their own throats just to hand what's left of the market to MSFT.
Uhhh...I had to take my youngest son out of school because he was being bashed routinely and not only did the teachers know, some encouraged it. the final straw was when a teacher BROUGHT A BIBLE into class and gave a lecture about "sodomites and heathens" because he was gay and his brother catholic and we are in the middle of baptist land.
And before you say "Why didn't you sue" it was because at the time my sister was suffering through a slow and agonizing death due to a rare nerve disorder and frankly there was no way in hell my family could have taken the extra stress of a lawsuit on top of that. Hell we would have probably fallen apart if my GF hadn't told her boss when she heard it was the end "You can write it off as sick leave and vacation or you can fire me, but either way i'm going" and spent a month and a half giving the boys a shoulder to cry on and helping keep us together.
So don't think just because YOU don't see it that bashing isn't happening every, single, day, forget Matthew Shepard? In many places even the cops won't give a shit if you bash away on a gay, and there is a REASON why the highest suicide rate among teens is gay teens, its because their lives are made living hells and frankly nobody in power gives a shit.
I know ALL ABOUT racist bashing, I have a 2 inch scar on the back of my head for daring to give a black man a ride in MS and before being bashed in the head by the cop I heard 'fucking dirty niggers and god damned hippie freaks, i don't know which makes me more sick" and I can tell you the treatment of gays i'm seeing in many places is NO DIFFERENT than how they treated blacks. Lynching wasn't an everyday occurrence,bashing was. Matthew Shepard style murders aren't an everyday occurrence, bashing is.
Dude while I appreciate you trying to help kids you might want to stay away from the P4s and Pentium Ds. Just pick up a kill-a-watt and slap it on one of those to find out why, they belch heat and suck juice like a 70s Monte Carlo with bad rings.
The original Core chips, pretty much all the Athlons and Phenoms were MUCH better about power and can be found just as cheaply if you look around and any of the AM2 sockets can have the chip swapped for one of the low power variants in less than 10 minutes and places like Starmicro sells those for less than $50.
So remember its not just about being cheap to buy, its also how cheap it is to run. The entire netburst era was "Give it MOAR POWER!!" and by the time you got to the Pentium D you could fry eggs on the chips for all the wasted power. that equals not only more power going through the machine, but more AC you are gonna need to keep that lab cool and that adds up if you are not in a northern climate.
Oh I agree, I have a couple of Athlon X2s from that period and they are just fine when it comes to power, i also hung onto that Sempron even though its even older because not only is it low power but if i want to lower the power even more i can pick up a socket 754 Athlon mobile for less than $30 that will drop right in and give me more performance while dropping the idle even lower but as long as the Sempron is doing the job i don't see the point.
But those P4s, especially the Prescott and later, were power hogs, like an old V8 muscle car. I have a couple of Prescott boards sitting in the closet as well as a Cedar Mill with HT sitting in the drawer and you just would not believe the amount of heat those suckers belch out, nor how much juice they pull.
So while I have no problem refurbing those units for the poor, that frankly probably couldn't afford a PC at all if I didn't sell those P4s cheap, for someone that already has a computer I have to wonder about the wisdom of keeping anything from the netburst era. I mean sure socket 775s are cheap as dirt and just as common, and there are places selling Pentium Ds for less than $20 thus making it the cheapest dual cores you can get, I really have to wonder if having something that hot and power hungry, even if given it free, would be worth having.
All i know is my boys were gaming on a couple of Pentium Ds with 19 inch CRTs and when I swapped those out for a Phenom II Quad and Phenom II Hexa with 22 inch LCDs their power usage went WAAAAY the hell down, even those we are talking about doubling and tripling the cores and upgrading them from 7600GTs to HD4850s. The power difference was just incredible and really made me rethink the wisdom of keeping anything from the netburst era. Now the only netburst in our family is a little 2.3GHz Celeron that my mom plays her match 3 games on and as soon as another cheap Athlon crosses my desk I'll be selling the Celeron and giving her the AMD.
Uhhh...I counted over 2 dozen purists on this very thread, can't you see them? You must be running at +2 or something becauuse there are a shitton of 'em. Of course I've been arguing for years that all ACs should be banned but now nobody makes accounts anymore so if you don't surf at a lower setting frankly you miss most of the insightful comments because the twitter generation don't make accounts anywhere unless forced.
Don't forget all those different programmers means differing levels of skill so some of its gonna be nice and simple, some of it is gonna be be an ugly hack. Trying to fix all that without a plan would just be nuts, better to slowly document what every piece does and once you have a better idea of what is going where and doing whatever, THEN you can choose whether to fix or build anew.
But that brings up something I've been wondering for awhile which is this....at what point would it be better to toss the hardware? I mean you can buy one of those E350 based kits for less than $150 and that thing takes less than 18w under load and idles in the mid single digits, I don't even remember what the Pi runs but its a crazy small number, so at what point does that old hardware become too much of a piggie to be worth keeping?
Lets face it folks, while you may see the ancient P2 or P3 around occasionally most of those died ages ago thanks to the cheap caps they used back then so what I see the most of, and by most of i mean fricking insane amounts of, is those damned Pentium 4s. Those P4s frankly were NEVER good on power and just cranked the living shit out of the heat, so would it be better to keep it, thus paying the increased electricity and cooling, or just get something cheap that doesn't blow through power like crap through a goose?
I know that while I've got a couple of P4s waiting on me to refurb at the shop, and probably another good half dozen or more gonna be given to me free by the super for parts or refurbing, the only older machine I've kept is a 2004 Sempron a customer traded in that frankly makes a great nettop at the shop. Its quiet, uses maybe 35w on average, and puts out hardly any heat at all. while that Pentium d I have in the corner may run rings around it it runs rings around my AC as well.
So at what point is it better to dump? I hate as much as the rest to toss working gear, just about to carry a 1.8GHz P4 to the dumpster because i can't think of a damned thing to do with it and I hate tossing working machines like that, but at what point are you blowing through more in power and cooling than you'd save by keeping?
What I don't get squid is this...why are people so quick to refuse to accept physics? We ALREADY have no less than 4 different planes, the F15, F16, F/A-18, and the F22 that will KILL THE PILOT DEAD if we don't put limiters on them, so what is the point? seriously what is the point of building a "superplane" that is constantly hobbled by the meatsack within it?
If you've seen the shots of the UCAV the Russians are working on, Sukhoi I believe is the one building it, then you have seen the future. We are talking mach 2+, able to do 18+ Gs, stealth, turns on a dime and will be small thus hell to try to shoot down. It is THAT we should be working on and NOT these overpriced penis wavers like the F22. The simple fact is it costs so. damned. much. to manrate these things and build in all the safety gear its just astronomical how high the costs are getting.
The worst part? By focusing so much more resources on the meatsack planes we ARE becoming Germany of 43-45, where we field this real technomarvels in too small a number to make a damned bit of difference in real warfare. As Stalin put it so many years ago "quantity has a quality all its own" and the simple fact is we are thousands of planes short of where the military thinks we should be but because we keep buying trillion dollar technomarvels we simply can't buy enough quantity to ever make them really feasible as a weapon. And of course because there is so few the parts and maintenance goes up, making them more expensive so we buy even less, its a vicious circle.
if I were put in charge the F35 would be toast, we'd buy more of the teen series to make up the gap and hold us over, and all of the research would be going into new drones. We have simply reached the stage where the human body cannot survive what the craft can do which makes the human the weak link in the equation.
Actually it is NOT a stupid idea, and here is why: If anyone read the comments when it was announced here about Valve putting out a Linux client, what was practically the FIRST thing many posted? "Well as long as they aren't in the repos" and why is that?
Because whether the community wishes to accept it or not there is a LARGE amount of "purists" that believe GPL is law and anything that doesn't have the 4 freedoms is poison. Frankly I would be VERY surprised if some of those vocal members of the kernel team didn't just "accidently" make changes that broke Steam every. damned. time. if for no other reason than to be able to say "See? if you gave us your code then that wouldn't be happening now would it?" to "prove" their way is not only the right way but the ONLY way.
So whether one wishes to acknowledge the truth or not it simply doesn't change the fact that the community is split in two, with the pragmatists that simply want to see Linux grow and as long as the core is free they are happy, and the purists that believe that the four freedoms should be held inviolate and nothing should be allowed to 'contaminate" Linux, especially not DRM which again, like it or not, is EXACTLY what Steam is. Sure its a harmless and pretty hassle free form of DRM, and sure as hell nicer than getting SecuROMed or Starfucked, but nevertheless it IS DRM and the purists simply won't have it, even if it causes Linux to grow.
The funny part? There is NO "biblical view of marriage" and in fact many of the great leaders of the bible had multiple wives. In fact most of the "traditions" we have of marriage are less than a century old and the ones that are older than that most would be horrified if they knew where they came from. An example, the throwing of the garter? Came from the middle ages when they would rip the clothes right off the "bride' who was usually outright bought and didn't have shit to say about the whole thing, to "loosen her up" before being drug off to the bedroom. Source.
So while there is plenty of precedent for hiding bigotry with the bible, both slavery and racism were considered defensible by scripture, to say its "biblical tradition" to have a single man and a woman is complete horseshit.
But what if a company said "No Blacks Allowed" would that be okay? Don't forget that was 'religious based" too, The Curse Of Ham. The point is the religious texts are ambiguous enough frankly you can condone or condemn damned near anything just by cherry picking the right passages.
1 word...OpenMoko. FOSS "advocates" talk a good game but when it comes to opening their wallets? Not so good.
And of COURSE he's working with multiple vendors, can you say "start the bidding" boys and girls? They know that if they are gonna do this they are gonna need competition, you don't want to lock yourself into a single vendor too quick in case the fuck you, see Apple getting fucked by Intel over Nvidia chipsets for an example.
Now everyone knows the Sandy/Ivy stomps the Bulldozer but its GPU is deep fried ass, but they are gonna have to get Intel drivers playing nice with Nvidia drivers if they decide to go Intel. They are also gonna want to see what AMD has to offer and see if those new AMD chips with built in ARM DRM can cut the mustard but again having a good CPU won't help sell a gamer console if the AMD GPU drivers choke.
Mark my words at next year's E3 old Gabe is gonna open a can of "Ye Old Whoop Ass" all over Ballmer for treating him like shit, the only question is whether it'll be an Intel+Nvidia box or an all AMD rig. Personally I'm hoping all AMD because those new chips with hybrid crossfire look pretty neat and would give the console pretty long legs, not to mention very few games are CPU bound anymore, but in either case it should be a damned nice system with Steam built in for instant one stop shopping.
But if you think he's even gonna break even on Linux desktops I have some magic beans you might be interested in. Hell the entire web is full of "Why pay? Run Linux for FREE LOL!" articles up the ying yang, not to mention as we saw here on the Steam Linux announcement the "Free as in freedom, down with DRM!" users and devs are gonna make it as difficult as possible to run Steam on Linux because it uses DRM and thus isn't "pure". Other than Canonical I seriously doubt most will even allow a DRM program like Steam into their repos so frankly I'll be amazed if Valve gets even 30% of the already minuscule user base.
I mean you are talking about 3% of the PC population MINUS those that won't pay for programs MINUS those that won't have DRM...seriously how many you think that leaves? I doubt VERY seriously you'd even sell a million copies of any single title dude, the market is just too tiny.
Noooo it is NOT having "security vulnerabilities" because the Pale Moon devs are fixing holes and porting patches themselves so that is not a problem, and they have already said in their forum they are sticking with the V12 UI because they don't like what the Moz roadmap looks like. Isn't that the point of FOSS? If you don't like the direction you can fork? Well that is what they did, they forked.
And you can make any "placebo" claims that you want, I've seen with my own eyes the difference on an Athlon X2 I keep at the shop. FF is a little piggy core hog while Pale Moon isn't slamming the shit out of the cores. Most likely that is because PM is using the SSE flags so its using the parts of the core that FF never touches, but in any case FF sucks major ass on older chips like Pentium Ds and Athlon X2s while PM is snappy.
But the elephant in the room is this...we don't really need pilots anymore. Frankly since the F15 we've had to put limits below what the aircraft could actually do because it would kill the pilots while the plane would be just fine. The drones are cheaper, smaller, don't need all the extra billions in safety and comfort for the meatsack inside, now that Russia is building their own mach 2 stealth drone the days of spending tankers full of money to put meatsacks in planes is rapidly coming to an end.
Instead of blowing trillions we don't have on the F35 we should pull the plug, buy more F15s and F16s (and F18s if the navy won't take the F15 or F16) and spend the money on new drone designs. in the end the machine can just do it better than the meatsack and at a hell of a lot less cost. The F22 is a pretty little money pit that we can't afford to field in enough numbers to ultimately make much of a difference if we faced someone other than goat herders.
I say let the military keep what they have, buy some more of the proven designs to tide them over, but make it clear the future isn't Maverick parking his ass in a cockpit, its Ned the nerd playing Nintendo.
If you are on Windows try Pale Moon which has forked away from FF as of V12 because they too grew tired of UI changes. it also has the SSE flags set at compile so its snappier than FF. if you decide instead to go to the Chrome side I'd suggest Comodo Dragon which is Chrome without the phone home.
But is what he is saying wrong? I don't think so. Other than a few things like the humble bundle the simple fact is FOSS is built around "free as in beer" as much as it is "free as in freedom" so there simply aren't enough users willing to buy to make it a market worth pursuing.
I mean you have at best estimates around 3% being actual desktop users (no you aren't allowed to count servers, routers, your CCC Droid phone, because lets face it those won't run the latest Quake engine games) and of those how many have bought software in the last 6 months? Frankly if that answer was 20% I'd be amazed, probably less than 10%. FOSS users are simply used to getting everything "free as in beer" and if you are trying to actually sell software that's just not a market you should target.
In the end we all know Old Gabe at Valve isn't looking at Linux because he gives a rat's ass about Steam on the Linux desktop, okay? Ballmer dropped trou and waved his sweaty ass at Gabe by trying to cut Valve out of the market with the appstore and old Gabe don't get mad he gets even by trying to royally fuck MSFT in a market they've spent billions trying to capture, the home console market. Well if you're Gabe how to you do this? Why using a stripped down Linux and COTS hardware of course!
I'm sure he'll have a nice little bidding war between Intel and AMD for the platform (which I wouldn't be surprised if AMD wins, they can sell Valve chips for less and with their A series APUs you could have built in crossfire with an AMD discrete and give the box some crazy graphics power).Once he settles on a platform its not like he is gonna have to worry about updates hosing drivers or anything like that since he'll control the system. Put in a hardware DRM chip and they're off to the races. He already has deals with most of the indies so all he has to do is get a few of the other big names like Activision on board and he can fuck over Ballmer AND make good money.
So I gotta agree with Carmack, if you are building a "steambox" type of device? Well Linux is a damned smart move, its mature, already has tons of coders working in embedded, it cuts the hell out of your time to market. But if you are like ID and only interested in selling software? It just doesn't make sense, just not enough money there to be picked up to make it worth the expense.
That doesn't change the fact that they should have left it to the users and thus not took a giant crap on their loyal customers.
Of course that's become Ballmer's mantra at MSFT "Hey you bought from us for years?.../bitchslap/...well fuck off, because we're Apple now LOL!" which is why their products are crapping all over the place. Zune? Fail, Kin, Sidekick, WinPhone? Fail. They just don't bother to actually LISTEN to their users and even with office, which would have taken a single fucking GPO switch and reg entry, they give long time users the bird in favor of the "We're Apple LOL!" consumer heavy mantra.
You mark my words, Win 8 is gonna bring it to a head. people are tired of being fucking ignored and having shit shoveled on them as Ballmer tries to remake MSFT into an ersatz Apple and people are getting sick of it. WOA won't go anywhere and will end up sold for Touchpad prices on Woot!, Win 8 machines will sit on shelves and probably take a couple of OEMs with it, people are just sick of MSFT not bothering to listen to them. Come Oct people will vote with their wallets and it'll be a big "fuck you!" to MSFT.
And while I'm sure the new office is better for the noobs I've watched it slam the brakes on the pro users enough times to know its not worth the "features" like constantly moving context crap. Most of my customers have stuck with 2K3 and are testing or taking a look at LO, because if they are gonna have to start all over again, why stick with MSFT?
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Scriptures? And be sure to use a concordance because frankly the King James translation should be banned because of how badly that misogynistic prick fucked with the translation. And don't forget that Matthew 5.17-18 from Jesus' mouth says the old testament counts so you gotta cover that too.
Whether you like it or not is irrelevant but just actually reading the words you'll find the deity in the bible, if the exact same actions were attributed to any king today, would be seen as a monster. Look up what he told David when he took a city, it was pretty much "Kill the men and boys, have fun with the women and any girls that are cute, only catch is you gotta keep 'em if you bang 'em". There are those that give similar orders today, we don't consider those nice leaders, much less worth our belief.
To me that is the truly sad part about religion, by being indoctrinated by only the nice parts for most of their childhoods most refuse to actually just sit down and read the book with a dispassionate eye, because if they did? Your God is...well not nice, not nice at all.
But you missed the point which is WHY pay that extra $4 when you don't have to? As the list showed you can get Athlon X2s and first gen cores for the same price and they suck a hell of a lot less juice and don't belch out heat.
So its not like its pay $x or pay $x+y, its pay $x for a power piggie or pay $x for a non piggie, why pay for the piggie?
Oh please! The dirty ugly truth is that YOU sir or madam are an elitist. Why can I say that? because i will bet my last nickel you have never been poor and what you and the industry don't want to wrap your snooty little noses around is that poor people game too in fact its pretty God damned obvious that a hell of a lot of them game, or else gamestop wouldn't have a market.
Tell me, when is the last time you sold a game? have you EVER sold a game? While I haven't I've known plenty that have and it was because they couldn't afford a new game otherwise which is exactly what they are pointing out in TFA. To YOU sir $70 may not be much, but to others its quite a lot. I always keep a couple of sub $100 P4 towers in my shop, do I LIKE the P4? fuck no, i hate the damned thing, don't like the XP that is on 'em either but the simple fact is there are people that can't afford better and unlike an elitist I serve everybody, rich and poor alike.
So maybe you and the games industry should get your nose out of the air and smell reality a little. look around, see that suffering? its called a Global recession Chuck, and games aren't required like food and rent. i may have money but since ditching the consoles i haven't spent a dime over $25 for any single game thanks to Steam and i don't care if your game is the second coming of Christ me and my family never will. We have better things to spend our money on that give greedy publishers $60+ (more like $130 by the time they gouge us for all the "DLC" they cut out) and you and the industry might want to think about that.
But no, the short sighted retarded as fuck "damn all but the quarterly reports" attitude of Wall street that is killing this country infects the gaming industry like ass cancer so they'll happily slit their own throats and be shocked! Shocked I tell you! When they kill gamestop and their sales go DOWN and not up. Faced with being gouged and no way to offset the costs many will just wash their hands. Don't worry though, HTPCs that can game are cheaper than ever and I'll be happy to take that business as will Valve.
"I think the puppet on the left shares MY beliefs, well I think the puppet on the right shares MY interests at heart...hey wait a minute, there is one guy working both puppets!"...Bill Hicks.
The whole Left Vs Right is a shell game played by the elite to keep the masses bickering instead of wondering why their money is worth less and their conditions get worse every year, that's all. the ONLY difference between the two is which booty they prefer to pucker up for, the Rs like the taste of multinational and MIC booty, the left prefers the taste of big media and union booty, neither would piss on the common man if they were on fire.
But this video sums it up better than I ever could. in the end you just end up begging for a few scraps from whichever corporate master is in charge this round, neither gives a piss about you.
That it sucks balls for piracy? Lets face it Usenet was made for the time of things fitting on a floppy and not these huge multi-GB files you have now, which is why you have hacks like Par files. Things don't stay up long enough, its too easy to get corrupted in transit, Usenet simply isn't built for the modern age and bringing it up is like comparing Gopher to modern HTTP, its just not really comparable.
Actually I believe that health care could solve the problem of the stronger drugs so that prohibition even with those wouldn't be needed, instead you would get them from a doctor who would also get you the mental help you need.
I'll never forget the words of a monk that works with addicts "Nobody ever wakes up and says "I want to be a meth junkie". In reality there is ONE THING, one thing in their past they simply can NOT face, if you help them face and work through that? Then getting them off the drugs is frankly easy." He gave two examples, one a prostitute whose father had molested her and her sisters while her mother did nothing, by confronting that and working through it she was able to get off drugs and now works as a secretary, and in the other a man whose sister died in a car he was driving and the parents blamed him even though it was a drunk that hit them. it turned out the sister was the "golden child' and he wasn't really wanted anyway so that just gave them another excuse to hate him. When the monk took him to the graves of his parents and helped him work through that he was able to get off drugs and works in a little appliance store.
In the end prohibition simply doesn't work, its not the drug its the broken people that are the problem. By treating the problem as what it is, broken people, one can get a handle on it and work to lower and possibly eliminate the problem. you may never be able to fix all of them, I had a friend in HS that is probably again living on the streets as he has done off and on throughout his life, his mother was getting him high and molesting him from the time he was 8 so he has no idea how to even live without being intoxicated, but just locking people like him up does no good and ignores the bigger issue which is WHY they are like they are.
As the monk said, nobody wakes up and wants to be a junkie.
Hell I'm finding out that it is frankly cheaper to go into one of the indie studios than it is to even record yourself with the PC. We have a nice 16 track digital recorder and when you figure in the mikes, the time required to get a decent mix, any gear you may have to rent, frankly its cheaper to go into the studio as there are plenty of indie studios that charge anywhere from $35-$60 an hour and that includes having a good engineer running the board.
So while I agree that its cheap to go DIY and sell your own CDs and shirts there is a point where DIY becomes the worse way to go. i've heard CDs done by musicians with a PC and those done by the smaller indie studios and frankly the indies sound a hell of a lot better than the DIY CDs. Just because you are a good singer or guitarist does not mean you're a good mixer or engineer.
Not to mention that in the places they aren't regulated they just get together and have nice little deals, see cherry picking for an example. in my town there are plenty of places where if you live on the LEFT side you can get cable and/or DSL, but not the right....WTF? Its a street, not a fucking canyon! I've been having to deal with this kind of bullshit for years myself, my mother lives barely a block from the cable and DSL junction boxes, you can literally see both from her front door...neither will run it a single block and now that the local WISP is going OOB (thank's to them being gouged on backbone access from what i heard) if I can't bug the living shit out of them until they'll run it the boys are gonna have to move and leave my elderly mother alone because they can't go to college without broadband.
Frankly the whole situation in the USA is like a bad joke, the prices are crazy, service in most places lousy, if you can even GET service, and things certainly aren't getting any better. We need to just take the last mile and open it up to competition and then if the ISPs want a monopoly they'll have to run decent lines out to all those people they've been ignoring for years. Our broadband isn't low because people don't want it, its low because they either can't get it or the only option in their area charges ass raping prices!
Hell we already paid them 200 billion for nationwide broadband and all we got in return was a low rez Goatse while they stuffed the money into their pockets. Of course this country has become so damned corrupt and "all hail the corporate masters!" that good fucking luck getting anything done about it.
But now that OO is Apache and IBM is supporting how much longer will that be the case? if anybody knows enterprise its IBM and their name still carries weight.
and what "LOL I'm Apple!" Ballmer needs to worry about is NOT the users as much as the OEMs. you may not remember your history but once upon a time IBM was in the same place MSFT is, until they tried to buttfuck the OEMs on the MCA bus. The OEMs got together and said "Fuck you, EISA!" and left IBM to play in a corner and within 10 years IBM was out of the PC business.
The exact same thing looks to be beginning to brew, the OEMs aren't gonna quietly go out of business because Steve Ballmer wants to be Steve Jobs, which is why you have Dell talking to Canonical and with Valve on linux supporting not only the game but could just as easily become the "one stop shop" for ALL third party proprietary apps on Linux frankly it wouldn't take much work at all for the OEMs to get together and say "fuck you!" to MSFT.
So if Win 8 bombs, which there is a damned good chance it will, the OEMs really only have three choices. 1.- They demand and get the right to continue selling Win 7, which means Ballmer's "LOL we're Apple now!" goes down in flames, 2.- they sell a handful of Windows 8 systems while switching over to something else like Linux, or 3.-They go out of business.
Do you REALLY think they are gonna choose #3 just to make Ballmer's delusions a reality? Do you REALLY think all those OEMs are just gonna lay everyone off and close their doors just to make Steve happy? Because if you believe that I have some magic beans you might be interested in. Jobs could pull it off because he owned the ENTIRE CHAIN, he made the hardware, the software, it was his playground and you played the game HIS way or you GTFO.
That is the exact opposite of MSFT, if the OEMs give them the finger and dump win 8 on the back page or only put it on the cheap junk systems while pushing Linux that leaves Steve standing there with his dick in his hand and they KNOW this, so if Win 8 isn't an instant smash hit you'll either see them demanding (and getting) Win 7 which puts Steve right back where he was, or if Ballmer "shows some spine" as you put it I hope MSFT is ready to buy their own manufacturing plants and build everything themselves, from the boxes and laptops to the tablets and phones, because frankly the OEMs aren't gonna slit their own throats just to hand what's left of the market to MSFT.
Uhhh...I had to take my youngest son out of school because he was being bashed routinely and not only did the teachers know, some encouraged it. the final straw was when a teacher BROUGHT A BIBLE into class and gave a lecture about "sodomites and heathens" because he was gay and his brother catholic and we are in the middle of baptist land.
And before you say "Why didn't you sue" it was because at the time my sister was suffering through a slow and agonizing death due to a rare nerve disorder and frankly there was no way in hell my family could have taken the extra stress of a lawsuit on top of that. Hell we would have probably fallen apart if my GF hadn't told her boss when she heard it was the end "You can write it off as sick leave and vacation or you can fire me, but either way i'm going" and spent a month and a half giving the boys a shoulder to cry on and helping keep us together.
So don't think just because YOU don't see it that bashing isn't happening every, single, day, forget Matthew Shepard? In many places even the cops won't give a shit if you bash away on a gay, and there is a REASON why the highest suicide rate among teens is gay teens, its because their lives are made living hells and frankly nobody in power gives a shit.
I know ALL ABOUT racist bashing, I have a 2 inch scar on the back of my head for daring to give a black man a ride in MS and before being bashed in the head by the cop I heard 'fucking dirty niggers and god damned hippie freaks, i don't know which makes me more sick" and I can tell you the treatment of gays i'm seeing in many places is NO DIFFERENT than how they treated blacks. Lynching wasn't an everyday occurrence,bashing was. Matthew Shepard style murders aren't an everyday occurrence, bashing is.
Dude while I appreciate you trying to help kids you might want to stay away from the P4s and Pentium Ds. Just pick up a kill-a-watt and slap it on one of those to find out why, they belch heat and suck juice like a 70s Monte Carlo with bad rings.
The original Core chips, pretty much all the Athlons and Phenoms were MUCH better about power and can be found just as cheaply if you look around and any of the AM2 sockets can have the chip swapped for one of the low power variants in less than 10 minutes and places like Starmicro sells those for less than $50.
So remember its not just about being cheap to buy, its also how cheap it is to run. The entire netburst era was "Give it MOAR POWER!!" and by the time you got to the Pentium D you could fry eggs on the chips for all the wasted power. that equals not only more power going through the machine, but more AC you are gonna need to keep that lab cool and that adds up if you are not in a northern climate.
Oh I agree, I have a couple of Athlon X2s from that period and they are just fine when it comes to power, i also hung onto that Sempron even though its even older because not only is it low power but if i want to lower the power even more i can pick up a socket 754 Athlon mobile for less than $30 that will drop right in and give me more performance while dropping the idle even lower but as long as the Sempron is doing the job i don't see the point.
But those P4s, especially the Prescott and later, were power hogs, like an old V8 muscle car. I have a couple of Prescott boards sitting in the closet as well as a Cedar Mill with HT sitting in the drawer and you just would not believe the amount of heat those suckers belch out, nor how much juice they pull.
So while I have no problem refurbing those units for the poor, that frankly probably couldn't afford a PC at all if I didn't sell those P4s cheap, for someone that already has a computer I have to wonder about the wisdom of keeping anything from the netburst era. I mean sure socket 775s are cheap as dirt and just as common, and there are places selling Pentium Ds for less than $20 thus making it the cheapest dual cores you can get, I really have to wonder if having something that hot and power hungry, even if given it free, would be worth having.
All i know is my boys were gaming on a couple of Pentium Ds with 19 inch CRTs and when I swapped those out for a Phenom II Quad and Phenom II Hexa with 22 inch LCDs their power usage went WAAAAY the hell down, even those we are talking about doubling and tripling the cores and upgrading them from 7600GTs to HD4850s. The power difference was just incredible and really made me rethink the wisdom of keeping anything from the netburst era. Now the only netburst in our family is a little 2.3GHz Celeron that my mom plays her match 3 games on and as soon as another cheap Athlon crosses my desk I'll be selling the Celeron and giving her the AMD.
Uhhh...I counted over 2 dozen purists on this very thread, can't you see them? You must be running at +2 or something becauuse there are a shitton of 'em. Of course I've been arguing for years that all ACs should be banned but now nobody makes accounts anymore so if you don't surf at a lower setting frankly you miss most of the insightful comments because the twitter generation don't make accounts anywhere unless forced.
Don't forget all those different programmers means differing levels of skill so some of its gonna be nice and simple, some of it is gonna be be an ugly hack. Trying to fix all that without a plan would just be nuts, better to slowly document what every piece does and once you have a better idea of what is going where and doing whatever, THEN you can choose whether to fix or build anew.
But that brings up something I've been wondering for awhile which is this....at what point would it be better to toss the hardware? I mean you can buy one of those E350 based kits for less than $150 and that thing takes less than 18w under load and idles in the mid single digits, I don't even remember what the Pi runs but its a crazy small number, so at what point does that old hardware become too much of a piggie to be worth keeping?
Lets face it folks, while you may see the ancient P2 or P3 around occasionally most of those died ages ago thanks to the cheap caps they used back then so what I see the most of, and by most of i mean fricking insane amounts of, is those damned Pentium 4s. Those P4s frankly were NEVER good on power and just cranked the living shit out of the heat, so would it be better to keep it, thus paying the increased electricity and cooling, or just get something cheap that doesn't blow through power like crap through a goose?
I know that while I've got a couple of P4s waiting on me to refurb at the shop, and probably another good half dozen or more gonna be given to me free by the super for parts or refurbing, the only older machine I've kept is a 2004 Sempron a customer traded in that frankly makes a great nettop at the shop. Its quiet, uses maybe 35w on average, and puts out hardly any heat at all. while that Pentium d I have in the corner may run rings around it it runs rings around my AC as well.
So at what point is it better to dump? I hate as much as the rest to toss working gear, just about to carry a 1.8GHz P4 to the dumpster because i can't think of a damned thing to do with it and I hate tossing working machines like that, but at what point are you blowing through more in power and cooling than you'd save by keeping?
What I don't get squid is this...why are people so quick to refuse to accept physics? We ALREADY have no less than 4 different planes, the F15, F16, F/A-18, and the F22 that will KILL THE PILOT DEAD if we don't put limiters on them, so what is the point? seriously what is the point of building a "superplane" that is constantly hobbled by the meatsack within it?
If you've seen the shots of the UCAV the Russians are working on, Sukhoi I believe is the one building it, then you have seen the future. We are talking mach 2+, able to do 18+ Gs, stealth, turns on a dime and will be small thus hell to try to shoot down. It is THAT we should be working on and NOT these overpriced penis wavers like the F22. The simple fact is it costs so. damned. much. to manrate these things and build in all the safety gear its just astronomical how high the costs are getting.
The worst part? By focusing so much more resources on the meatsack planes we ARE becoming Germany of 43-45, where we field this real technomarvels in too small a number to make a damned bit of difference in real warfare. As Stalin put it so many years ago "quantity has a quality all its own" and the simple fact is we are thousands of planes short of where the military thinks we should be but because we keep buying trillion dollar technomarvels we simply can't buy enough quantity to ever make them really feasible as a weapon. And of course because there is so few the parts and maintenance goes up, making them more expensive so we buy even less, its a vicious circle.
if I were put in charge the F35 would be toast, we'd buy more of the teen series to make up the gap and hold us over, and all of the research would be going into new drones. We have simply reached the stage where the human body cannot survive what the craft can do which makes the human the weak link in the equation.
Actually it is NOT a stupid idea, and here is why: If anyone read the comments when it was announced here about Valve putting out a Linux client, what was practically the FIRST thing many posted? "Well as long as they aren't in the repos" and why is that?
Because whether the community wishes to accept it or not there is a LARGE amount of "purists" that believe GPL is law and anything that doesn't have the 4 freedoms is poison. Frankly I would be VERY surprised if some of those vocal members of the kernel team didn't just "accidently" make changes that broke Steam every. damned. time. if for no other reason than to be able to say "See? if you gave us your code then that wouldn't be happening now would it?" to "prove" their way is not only the right way but the ONLY way.
So whether one wishes to acknowledge the truth or not it simply doesn't change the fact that the community is split in two, with the pragmatists that simply want to see Linux grow and as long as the core is free they are happy, and the purists that believe that the four freedoms should be held inviolate and nothing should be allowed to 'contaminate" Linux, especially not DRM which again, like it or not, is EXACTLY what Steam is. Sure its a harmless and pretty hassle free form of DRM, and sure as hell nicer than getting SecuROMed or Starfucked, but nevertheless it IS DRM and the purists simply won't have it, even if it causes Linux to grow.
The funny part? There is NO "biblical view of marriage" and in fact many of the great leaders of the bible had multiple wives. In fact most of the "traditions" we have of marriage are less than a century old and the ones that are older than that most would be horrified if they knew where they came from. An example, the throwing of the garter? Came from the middle ages when they would rip the clothes right off the "bride' who was usually outright bought and didn't have shit to say about the whole thing, to "loosen her up" before being drug off to the bedroom. Source.
So while there is plenty of precedent for hiding bigotry with the bible, both slavery and racism were considered defensible by scripture, to say its "biblical tradition" to have a single man and a woman is complete horseshit.
But what if a company said "No Blacks Allowed" would that be okay? Don't forget that was 'religious based" too, The Curse Of Ham. The point is the religious texts are ambiguous enough frankly you can condone or condemn damned near anything just by cherry picking the right passages.
1 word...OpenMoko. FOSS "advocates" talk a good game but when it comes to opening their wallets? Not so good.
And of COURSE he's working with multiple vendors, can you say "start the bidding" boys and girls? They know that if they are gonna do this they are gonna need competition, you don't want to lock yourself into a single vendor too quick in case the fuck you, see Apple getting fucked by Intel over Nvidia chipsets for an example.
Now everyone knows the Sandy/Ivy stomps the Bulldozer but its GPU is deep fried ass, but they are gonna have to get Intel drivers playing nice with Nvidia drivers if they decide to go Intel. They are also gonna want to see what AMD has to offer and see if those new AMD chips with built in ARM DRM can cut the mustard but again having a good CPU won't help sell a gamer console if the AMD GPU drivers choke.
Mark my words at next year's E3 old Gabe is gonna open a can of "Ye Old Whoop Ass" all over Ballmer for treating him like shit, the only question is whether it'll be an Intel+Nvidia box or an all AMD rig. Personally I'm hoping all AMD because those new chips with hybrid crossfire look pretty neat and would give the console pretty long legs, not to mention very few games are CPU bound anymore, but in either case it should be a damned nice system with Steam built in for instant one stop shopping.
But if you think he's even gonna break even on Linux desktops I have some magic beans you might be interested in. Hell the entire web is full of "Why pay? Run Linux for FREE LOL!" articles up the ying yang, not to mention as we saw here on the Steam Linux announcement the "Free as in freedom, down with DRM!" users and devs are gonna make it as difficult as possible to run Steam on Linux because it uses DRM and thus isn't "pure". Other than Canonical I seriously doubt most will even allow a DRM program like Steam into their repos so frankly I'll be amazed if Valve gets even 30% of the already minuscule user base.
I mean you are talking about 3% of the PC population MINUS those that won't pay for programs MINUS those that won't have DRM...seriously how many you think that leaves? I doubt VERY seriously you'd even sell a million copies of any single title dude, the market is just too tiny.
Noooo it is NOT having "security vulnerabilities" because the Pale Moon devs are fixing holes and porting patches themselves so that is not a problem, and they have already said in their forum they are sticking with the V12 UI because they don't like what the Moz roadmap looks like. Isn't that the point of FOSS? If you don't like the direction you can fork? Well that is what they did, they forked.
And you can make any "placebo" claims that you want, I've seen with my own eyes the difference on an Athlon X2 I keep at the shop. FF is a little piggy core hog while Pale Moon isn't slamming the shit out of the cores. Most likely that is because PM is using the SSE flags so its using the parts of the core that FF never touches, but in any case FF sucks major ass on older chips like Pentium Ds and Athlon X2s while PM is snappy.
But the elephant in the room is this...we don't really need pilots anymore. Frankly since the F15 we've had to put limits below what the aircraft could actually do because it would kill the pilots while the plane would be just fine. The drones are cheaper, smaller, don't need all the extra billions in safety and comfort for the meatsack inside, now that Russia is building their own mach 2 stealth drone the days of spending tankers full of money to put meatsacks in planes is rapidly coming to an end.
Instead of blowing trillions we don't have on the F35 we should pull the plug, buy more F15s and F16s (and F18s if the navy won't take the F15 or F16) and spend the money on new drone designs. in the end the machine can just do it better than the meatsack and at a hell of a lot less cost. The F22 is a pretty little money pit that we can't afford to field in enough numbers to ultimately make much of a difference if we faced someone other than goat herders.
I say let the military keep what they have, buy some more of the proven designs to tide them over, but make it clear the future isn't Maverick parking his ass in a cockpit, its Ned the nerd playing Nintendo.
If you are on Windows try Pale Moon which has forked away from FF as of V12 because they too grew tired of UI changes. it also has the SSE flags set at compile so its snappier than FF. if you decide instead to go to the Chrome side I'd suggest Comodo Dragon which is Chrome without the phone home.
But is what he is saying wrong? I don't think so. Other than a few things like the humble bundle the simple fact is FOSS is built around "free as in beer" as much as it is "free as in freedom" so there simply aren't enough users willing to buy to make it a market worth pursuing.
I mean you have at best estimates around 3% being actual desktop users (no you aren't allowed to count servers, routers, your CCC Droid phone, because lets face it those won't run the latest Quake engine games) and of those how many have bought software in the last 6 months? Frankly if that answer was 20% I'd be amazed, probably less than 10%. FOSS users are simply used to getting everything "free as in beer" and if you are trying to actually sell software that's just not a market you should target.
In the end we all know Old Gabe at Valve isn't looking at Linux because he gives a rat's ass about Steam on the Linux desktop, okay? Ballmer dropped trou and waved his sweaty ass at Gabe by trying to cut Valve out of the market with the appstore and old Gabe don't get mad he gets even by trying to royally fuck MSFT in a market they've spent billions trying to capture, the home console market. Well if you're Gabe how to you do this? Why using a stripped down Linux and COTS hardware of course!
I'm sure he'll have a nice little bidding war between Intel and AMD for the platform (which I wouldn't be surprised if AMD wins, they can sell Valve chips for less and with their A series APUs you could have built in crossfire with an AMD discrete and give the box some crazy graphics power).Once he settles on a platform its not like he is gonna have to worry about updates hosing drivers or anything like that since he'll control the system. Put in a hardware DRM chip and they're off to the races. He already has deals with most of the indies so all he has to do is get a few of the other big names like Activision on board and he can fuck over Ballmer AND make good money.
So I gotta agree with Carmack, if you are building a "steambox" type of device? Well Linux is a damned smart move, its mature, already has tons of coders working in embedded, it cuts the hell out of your time to market. But if you are like ID and only interested in selling software? It just doesn't make sense, just not enough money there to be picked up to make it worth the expense.
That doesn't change the fact that they should have left it to the users and thus not took a giant crap on their loyal customers.
Of course that's become Ballmer's mantra at MSFT "Hey you bought from us for years?.../bitchslap/...well fuck off, because we're Apple now LOL!" which is why their products are crapping all over the place. Zune? Fail, Kin, Sidekick, WinPhone? Fail. They just don't bother to actually LISTEN to their users and even with office, which would have taken a single fucking GPO switch and reg entry, they give long time users the bird in favor of the "We're Apple LOL!" consumer heavy mantra.
You mark my words, Win 8 is gonna bring it to a head. people are tired of being fucking ignored and having shit shoveled on them as Ballmer tries to remake MSFT into an ersatz Apple and people are getting sick of it. WOA won't go anywhere and will end up sold for Touchpad prices on Woot!, Win 8 machines will sit on shelves and probably take a couple of OEMs with it, people are just sick of MSFT not bothering to listen to them. Come Oct people will vote with their wallets and it'll be a big "fuck you!" to MSFT.
And while I'm sure the new office is better for the noobs I've watched it slam the brakes on the pro users enough times to know its not worth the "features" like constantly moving context crap. Most of my customers have stuck with 2K3 and are testing or taking a look at LO, because if they are gonna have to start all over again, why stick with MSFT?