Straw man as both child porn and snuff films require victims to be created, whereas expressing one's ideas require only the words to express them. BTW for the record I believe the so called "simulated" child porn like Manga and shock films like Serbian Film should NOT be in any way banned as those did not require any victims to be created, they can express their ideas without requiring harm to anybody to do so. I have also donated to the fund to free the guy that wrote the so called "pro pedo" book as he likewise merely expressed his ideas on the subject,he wasn't accused of harming anybody, just putting his thoughts into book form, which to me is the classic definition of thoughtcrime.
And as for your straw man with the Nazis? Look up Dec 1941 and you will see that Germany declared war upon the USA and was sinking American boats in the Atlantic. It had nothing to do with free speech, it had to do with a hostile power declaring war upon the USA and the USA having the right to fight back. BTW in 1944 a German 4 engine bomber made it to within 8 miles of NYC, if the USA wouldn't have opened up a western front the "Amerika Bomber" would have been operational by 1945 and the east coast of the USA would have been the target, including DC, NYC, and every port along the eastern seaboard. This again had nothing to do with the right of the Nazis to express their views, it had to do with the Nazis forcing those views upon the world through subjugation.
Oh please! Nokia hasn't had GOOD brand recognition since the days of Win98, they have been trading on their past glory by selling shit dumbphones that you find in dollar stores. yep great brand, go get a Nokia next to the generic soda at Fred's. Sorry pal but this ain't 2002, Nokia has NO brand recognition that is positive as anybody who has had one of their shit dumbphones of the past 5 years can tell you. My mother refused to give up her dumbphone...until back to back Nokia shitphones that couldn't make calls for shit, had garbage sound, pathetic battery life, and controls that frankly glitched and hung more than a bottom of the line Android phone upgraded to Android 4.
Go to any forum where they talk about featurephones and see what kind of brand recognition Nokia has...its shit. You and too many others have rose colored glasses because of the N900 but they haven't put out anything quality in fricking years, the PHBs pinching pennies saw to that. Of course that is what you get when a company has piss poor management, it was ALL short term thinking, no vision, no thoughts of the future, I'm sorry but by ANY metric, profit per phone, market cap,share of market, Nokia has been going in only one direction...ever seen the commercial with the monkeys dancing and burning money to a sign that says profits are up when in reality the company is nosediving? That is Nokia.
Oh what total horseshit, the ONLY market Nokia has is in dumbphones where they measure their profits in pennies, they had not one, not two, but THREE internal OS teams all backstabbing and cockblocking each other at EVERY turn, the OS that so many here thought actually had a prayer, the MeeGo? Was was being actively sabotaged from TWO fronts, Intel for fear that the ARM version would get more sales than the X86, and the Symbian team for fear that MeeGo might steal their thunder, and for those that say "Oh android would save them"? Tell that to HTC who despite increased sales is is losing money because that is what happens in a race to the bottom, only the leanest companies that can cut costs to the bone make any green.
So I'm sorry but Nokia was circling the drain long before Elop even walked in the door. the entire management was a mess, they had lost more than half their value in less than 6 years, they had no product that could compete with iOS 2 and Android froyo and gingerbread, and all they had left was dumbphones which thanks to motorola using the mediaTek SoC that allowed a complete dumbphone to be built for less than $5 USD they were fucked with a capital F. The situation at Nokia was an exact copy of what happened at Palm, they sat on ass and stuck with a profitable product without bothering to sink the R&D into a new OS until the world passed them by, Symbian for Nokia and Garnet for Palm.
So pretty much the only choice was to buy a fully complete OS and throw a Hail Mary and with HP paying insane-o money for WebOS (a better fit for Nokia IMHO) there literally wasn't any other OSes to go with, it was that or close the doors and give the money back to the shareholders.
Uhhh...I think you aren't following the conversation friend, i'm not talking about the weapon slots ON THE CHARACTER I'm talking about the weapon slots ON THE TRADING LOCKER. Having only 4 slots on the trading locker is plain retarded as it makes you needlessly switch between characters just to share loot with your characters. A MUCH better design would be to have a tab at the bank for each character you have that has made it to Sanctuary or at the very least have the trade slots grow when you buy slots in your bank.
Oh and while they tuned down the Bee IMHO all they did was turn it from "extreme overkill" to just "major overkill", less than 2 weeks ago I was slaughtering enemies a good 8+ levels above me with no effort, in fact the only threat I had was from running out of ammo.
Snicker...yeah right. if you want to claim you like the design? fine, you want to claim that you like OSX enough to pay the hardware tax? Sure, why not. But you can go to Tigerdirect and get nicer hardware for less money so please don't try to sell us the "its a good value" BS, mmmkay? Not to mention that unlike you we actually have CHOICE, we can mix and match and get a machine designed around what WE need, not what Cupertino wants to push. Oh and as a final note I built TWO hexacores AND a quad for less than a single Apple tower, its much nicer to have the kids on their own gaming PCs than having them use mine.
As for TFA...anybody tried the Android version yet? How bad is it as far as storage and RAM goes? I tried Firefox a few weeks ago on my phone and found it to feel bloated and sluggish, worse than the built in Android browser and WAY worse than the Dolphin browser i'm using. With Android I'm constantly trying new apps so the thinner and lighter the better, so any hard numbers would be appreciated.
That makes me think of my gamer customers, they'll spend truly insane amounts of money just to get to the top of some leaderboard which means exactly jack shit when it comes to real world application performance, but they treat those numbers like its some sort of E-peen measuring contest or something.
as far as you getting stuck with something you can't use? I have to give Gearbox credit as that is one of the nice things about the Borderlands series, any character can use any weapon. sure if I'm playing the assassin I can get some sniper buffs i can't if I'm a gunzerker but my gunzerker can snipe just as well as the assassin and can use the same weapon loadout. My only gripe is whomever built the share locker needs their ass kicked...4 slots? Really? And no way to get more? It makes it a real PITA when you get multiple items you want to share with your other characters, as you have to do a LOT of switching to get it all moved.
Uhhhh...you make your own INF for the monitor with something like Powerstrip and be done with it? My KVM switch doesn't support EDID, it took less than 10 minutes to whip off an INF with the correct resolution and push it to my systems, easy peasy and has worked perfectly ever since.
Actually I'd say what made Borderlands a success (other than the fact its damned funny, something we haven't had in shooters since No One Lives Forever) was the fact that trading with your friends made ANY high level gun a good thing. for example I suck at CQB and prefer to stay and stand off distance so i favor rifles and revolvers but my youngest prefers shotguns and battling CQB so if he found a good rifle it wasn't "oh crap I don't use those" it was "meh I'll trade it to my uncle" and the same would go for me and shotguns, this made hunting for the good loot all the more rewarding.
Of course the down side of that is there is still a few legendary items that are frankly game breakers, you can farm the Bee legendary if you have the Tiny Tina DLC and frankly with that shield you can just slaughter anything in your path, with a decent SMG I was just obliterating creatures that were so high level they had a skull next to their name but with the Bee? two clips and they are toast. Thanks to the ability to farm all it takes is one guy with a bee to farm and you can quickly have a whole team loaded with Bee shields and then the challenge is gone, you can just blow through the entire game like it was nothing.
As for D3? Until they get rid of the "always online" component they can count me out. for those that feel like me I STRONGLY recommend Torchlight II, it gives all the diablo style hack and slash goodness (made by one of the guys that did D2) and unlike D3 not only is it offline if you want it also has LAN and co-op and supports modding, the community has already made a ton of killer dungeons, new monsters, enhancements, all kinds of good stuff. It even comes with a mod manager and supports up to 10 mods at a time, so you can mix and match and make the game YOUR way. I don't mind online only in a MMORPG, that is kinda the entire point of those, but I'll be damned if I pay good money for a single player game I can't play without a connection.
Exactly, even though they had PLENTY of stock the prices shot through the roof and frankly have yet to come back down. Before the flood i was buying HDDs at less than $40 a TB, now the cheapest I've found is around $70 a TB,damn near double.
Frankly we need more antitrust investigations as too many times we have seen these manufacturers collude, see the LCD price fixing for an example.
Exactly, if I used my real name instead of Hairyfeet what EXACTLY would change? I'd still hold the opinions I do now, still stand by my words, the ONLY difference is it would not only make it easier for the government to track everything i say but it would also making stalking much easier to do.
As someone who was stalked by a crazy woman for nearly 2 years IRL and have had bouts of cyberstalking by what I call the "FOSSie faction", with one even spending over a year just following me on every place he could find and making account after account just so he could post "Die you fat fucker, die" excuse me if I don't want those same members of the batshit brigade to follow me around IRL, thanks ever so. If anything I'd say using real names makes stalking more likely as stalkers? Really don't care if you know who they are, as i found out with the crazy bitch that followed me across 3 states. She never once tried disguising her voice, or even pretending it wasn't her,and as i found out from the cops this is all too common, the unbalanced frankly don't give a shit whether they are known or not as they will keep right on doing what they are doing.
Oh and before anybody says "You were just having trouble with an ex" nope, had never even slept with the woman, i simply gave her a drink (as the band had a generous bar tab and I don't drink) and played a song for her as she looked depressed and apparently that was enough in her damaged mind to "have us in a relationship". you don't realize how many truly fucking mental people are out there until you run into one of them and I pray nobody here ever does because...damn. I had to file restraining orders, hide my truck, finally some dumbass guitarist was stupid enough to sleep with her...poor bastard, I bet she is STILL stalking his ass across hell's half acre even to this very day. But if you ever end up in a situation like that you'll find out just how fucking useless the law really is, she had done that to a half a dozen guys over the years yet because the stalking laws are so weak, at least when this was going on, she never got more than a slap on the wrist and a "don't do that" from a judge, fucking worthless.
I'll never forget what my grandfather taught me about free speech, after he helped liberate one of the camps he spent nearly 2 years in a full body cast thanks to one of the rag tag "werewulf" squads at the end of WWII dropping a wall upon him so if there was ANYBODY that had the right to hate Nazis it was him...yet he supported the right of the Nazis to march in Illinois. He said "that is what made us better than them, we let anybody speak, even though we don't agree with them".
I took his words to heart several years after he was gone when I was living in Dallas and saw skinheads recruiting, trying to feed on anti-Mexican sentiment. I just went to a store down the street and made up my own little sign, it said "ask me about the camps" and told those who stopped and asked what my grandfather had saw, the bodies piled up like cordwood, traincars overflowing with broken bodies, people so starved you couldn't tell male from female. needless to say the skinheads weren't too happy about that but one of the cops sent to keep an eye on the skinheads just parked his butt right next to me and said "he has as much right to speak as you do" and that ended that.
This is why I have fought against so called "hate speech" and "hate crime" laws as they aren't only trying to make some speech verbotten but they also seem to be designed around the concept of "protected classes" such as how they say nothing if you burn a bible but will throw you in jail if you burn a Koran. in America you should not be able to EVER ban speech, if you don't like what they are saying? Make your own sign and come up with a legitimate counter-argument,freedom of speech is too important to allow the politically correct to decide what is and is not acceptable.
That is not my problem with the whole argument, its that it makes no damned sense! I mean lets take/. for an example where I personally think ACs should be banned since they have become nothing more than trolls these past few years, no different than those little punks that scream racist slurs all over console shooters....why would making everyone have an account be a bad thing, as long as you can put whatever you want as a UID? Its not like my business cards have "Hairyfeet" on them yet there are several sites that know me as such, this way a user actually has to stand by their words (or be willing to waste a lot of time replacing accounts as they burn through the karma) but at the same time can keep their privacy intact.
Frankly the whole argument is probably moot anyway as folks have their own distinct style of writing which is no different than a fingerprint and is easy enough to catch on to if you pay a little attention. To use myself as an example there is a couple of old sites that i still use that I used my old gamertag instead of the Hairyfeet tag which came later but I ended up having to put in the bio part "yes its me Hairyfeet" because it never failed that I'd post and I'd get a half a dozen "Are you Hairyfeet? because you sure as hell sound like him" posts. while I can change my UID changing my manner of speech would be a HELL of a lot more difficult and anybody who had read a few of my posts wouldn't have any trouble spotting any post written by me.
So I see no reason why one can't have their cake and eat it too in this case, no reason they can't make up a UID and spend the whole 3 minutes to register on a site while at the same time not be forced to put in their real name and ID.
Uhhh...that is what I said, they were only ever "big" in parts of the EU and they haven't been a name brand in the USA or anywhere other than the EU since the late 90s.
If you asked an American what they thought of Nokia? First if they even knew who Nokia was would place them in the minority as again no big hits since the days of Win98, and if they DID know who Nokia was they'd say "shitty Fred's phones" because that is the only place where you see Nokia in the states anymore and even there they are having their milkshake drank by the Motorola because of the mediatek SoC.
Like it or not Nokia was about as much of a "premium brand" today as Palm, they are a has been that few outside the EU remember or even care about one way or another. Like it or not sticking with Symbian for so long left Nokia too far behind to catch up, no different than how Palm stuck with garnet so long that their devices looked like 8-tracks in comparison to the other players, no way in hell would Nokia have been able to sell their smartphones at a low enough cost to even get a toehold in the Android market, much less get their foot in the door.
Exactly and notice how the FOSSie faction marks me down without even comprehending I was pointing out there is NO POINT in wasting time with a closed source abandoned hobby OS when you have BSD, Linux, Android, etc.
I truly believe this is the reason for all the NSA spying, the top 1% know that we are heading for another dark age where they intend to "starve the beast" and the poor while they are at it so having a large list of anybody who might be able to get more than 3 people to listen to them (plus having dirt on anybody in office) so they are hoping a STASI style police state will save their asses...it won't.
This, all of this, this 21st century version of the robber barons HAS to end, because the poor outnumber the rich by several magnitudes and will NOT go silently into that good night, the only question? Is whether like the former USSR it dies quietly or like Germany of the 40s ends up turning into a monster.
Linux,BSD, Android, heck even niche OSes like Kolibri and haiku, we have a TON of free OSes that are NOT years behind and with SkyOS being built by only a single guy? It'll maybe, MAYBE be at win95 level of polish...yawn.
I just wanted to say thank you, its nice to see i'm not the only one screaming "WTF people?" from the rooftops. Ever since G+ and Brin gave his infamous "privacy is dead" speech Google has been just as big a douchebag when it comes to lock in and walled gardens as the other two, more and more the "FOSS friendly" and "You can do what you want with your data" are looking as bygone as the Woz upgrade friendly days of Apple, yet because somebody comes up with a stupid slogan that works as an RDF to deflect any and ALL criticism of the company? Honestly if you like Google then I think that you should hold it to a higher standard, after all if there is zero difference between Google,MSFT,and Apple WTF is the point of using Google? Its just another walled garden "corporate working against the user" supermegacorp in that case.
You mark my words, within the next 24 months we are gonna see more and more services that aren't ingrained in G+ get axed or so tightly integrated it'll be unusable unless you use G+. BTW it wasn't just offensive names that got blocked or hassled, I don't know how many times I've had G+ pester the shit out of me for not letting it tie everything to my real name, its gotten bad enough that I now keep a separate browser for YouTube so that there is no Gmail account access in that browser. But mark my words the old "FOSS friendly" and "open data" days are gonna be killed as dead as openness at Apple yet thanks to that stupid slogan Google could replace the search background with a Goatse and the flag wavers would be trumpeting their "dry sense of humor". To me the most ironic part is you could take any press release announcing these changes, replace a few words so that its Apple or MSFT doing them? And watch the pitchforks come out, but because of that magical do no evil RDF Google will get praised for doing the same shit that the other two get crucified for doing.
Because they are pushing the living fuck out of Google+ (seriously you can't even watch a Youtube video if you haven't tied your REAL NAME to Google+ without it bugging the piss out of you, its gotten bad enough I use a different browser for YouTube now) and preached on and on AND ON about how "FOSS Friendly" and "you can always get your data out" they were yet the thing they are ramming down everyone's throats to tie EVERYTHING together is proprietary as fuck and has NO WAY to get your data out?
I would point out that MSFT plays nice too...when they are losing, its when they are on top they try to lock the living hell out of everything and that is EXACTLY what we are seeing with Google, the old stuff when they had competition? Open. the new stuff? Just as proprietary as anything Apple makes. hell you seen the new ChromeBooks? The ONLY way you can install another OS on what ONCE was a completely bog standard X86 laptop is to 1.- Throw it into "dev mode" via a page and a half of hoop jumping, 2.- After that you can ONLY use one of a half a dozen HACKED Linux distros, all of which are supported by a couple of guys...yeah I wonder how long before that is abandoned?
I'm sorry Googleites but Google the past 24 months have been shown time and time again to be just as douchey, maybe even more douchey, than Apple and MSFT yet the crowd chants "do no evil!" likes its a magic shield. Well the emperor is bare assed folks, there is ZERO difference between Google,Apple,and MSFT, and you mark my words as the battle for mobile gets ever hotter you'll see Google going for ever nastier lock ins on the data. After all that data isn't YOUR data, its THEIR product which they sell to advertising firms...think they gonna give up that golden calf in the name of some dumb slogan? Not a chance in hell.
Which frankly blows my damned mind, its like "do no evil" is some sort of RDF instead of just another slogan like "think different" and "where do you want to go today?".
I mean from the nasty stuff we are learning from Snowden to the locking down the backend (where is the public API for Google+? Last I checked it didn't exist) to their using spammer techniques with Chrome like tying it to unrelated third party software which I would say is not only evil (because Joe and Jane don't know how to reset the default browser) but seriously douchey time and time again we have seen Google act just as nasty as MSFT and Apple yet...crickets. Hell it doesn't matter what they do, even ripping off the old "Requires IE" bit not only will people refuse to see this as nasty you will often see them charge to DEFEND whatever douchey thing Google does! When I pointed out on one forum that Google was using the old toolbar spammer trick of tying Chrome to programs like CCleaner and Defraggler I even had one defender say "Well I downloaded Chrome and didn't get CCleaner" because he was so fucking desperate to defend an obviously scumbag behavior he was grasping at any straws he could find!
I don't know, maybe I'm weird but I don't believe in "flying the flag" of ANY company, especially not the megacorps. If they make a good product like Win 7 or Android 2.x? I'll be happy to give credit where credit is due. If on the other hand they put out a product I think is crap, like Win 8 or those proprietary as hell and NSA wet dream ChromeBooks? I'll be the first to start passing out the rotten tomatoes. I honestly do not understand this whole "corporations as ballclubs" mentality, first I thought maybe it was a form of buyer's remorse, you have invested all this money into something you really don't have a use for so you defend and try to justify it like the gal I saw struggling to use an iPad for a grocery list, but then you have the free products like Chrome and Google Search that are just as militantly defended...I don't know, maybe I'm one of the last sane guys in the nuthouse but jumping through flaming hoops to defend some supermegacorp that would happily shove them under a bus if it made the stock bounce 8% is just insanity to me.
Which is why I never understood why the FOSS advocates cheered android...what is the difference, really? It doesn't support the four freedoms, the drivers are pretty much all proprietary, and it takes an act of God and skills beyond the majority to unlock many of the phones. I looked into unlocking my LG and it was over a page long with half a dozen points where it said "If you get this wrong or it fails YOU BRICK YOUR PHONE" which was enough to make even an old techie like me reconsider, a regular user would have turned back at the page and a half of insanely complex moves. Hell most folks can't even re-partition their PCs, and they are supposed to re-partition their phone by CLI? Not likely.
So I honestly don't get it, and this is coming from somebody that loves his Android phone but frankly Android has more in common with TiVo than it does with Linux. I may have my arguments with the FOSSie faction but I give credit where credit is due and the big difference between Linux and the other 2 is how trivial it is to change anything from the kernel on up. Don't like the DE? Change it to one of a half dozen or even go headless if you want, don't like the video subsystem? Rip out X11 and replace it with wayland or Mir, same goes for Pulse with ALSA and even the OS can be swapped out while keeping your data and settings. With Android honestly you have to jump through just as many hoops to unlock it as you do your average iPhone and it involves the same risks in a lot of cases, and even if you do there is a good chance that the community won't have drivers for your model, so what is the diff?
Exactly Linux users claiming android is as ridiculous as them claiming Chinese MP3s, in the case of Android its all about Dalvik and the kernel means exactly jack and squat. If you ripped out the Linux kernel for BSD, Windows, symbian, hell anything it really wouldn't matter as far as applications go as its all about the VM.
As for TFA? It again proves what I've been saying for years and that is FOSS isn't magic, the ONLY real advantage is it gives you the CHANCE, not the guarantee mind you, just the chance, to keep a piece of software no longer supported by the devs alive. Its not gonna help with security as one look at the obfuscated c contest entries will prove you can hide malware in plain sight and if you are good (such as the coders paid the big bux by certain three letter agencies) only the most studied of programming experts would be able to spot the malware, it doesn't magically lower costs as Dell found out when they had to keep a dev team just to have their own fork of Ubuntu to keep Canonical and upstream from crapping on their drivers, the only real advantage is the chance that maybe, just maybe, you can get enough like minded people together to keep old projects alive.
Now as for JWM? It really doesn't have a niche, which is why its most likely dying. The server guys run headless or use the most simplistic of GUIs to get their work done and hardware has progressed so rapidly that frankly even a dumpster dived P4 can run something like E17 or XFCE so having something less feature rich than XFCE but uses more resources than headless just doesn't have a niche. Last project I heard of that used JWM as a main DE was DSL and that has been dead for awhile now. I just checked and Puppy also uses it so maybe an appeal to their forums would be a good place to start? although looking at the Puppy Remixes it seems like JWM isn't even popular among Puppy users, with XFCE and E17 being much more popular to build a remix around than JWM. Still that does give one at least a starting point on where to drum up support.
Because unlike an athlete, like say a sprinter or boxer, where every second past maturity counts against them, somebody who has a brilliant mind can do great things for decades if they don't burn themselves out first? Look at Sagan, Hawking, hell Einstein did some of his best work in his later years.
Again sayings exist for a reason, and "the candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as quickly" has endured so long because it is truth,again I've met a few of these "wunderkind" in my time and they nearly always end up a burnout or a basket case before they are 30. Ironically you mentioned sprinting when in reality a better description of life would be a marathon and if you use all your energy you would be screwed?
Uhhh..as others pointed out I said it "will give you a warning" NOT "HDDs make noise you can hear" in point of fact you can get an SMS, or email, when a drive exceeds a limit that YOU set.
Try HDDLife Pro, last I check they have free trials so it won't cost you anything to try it and it will give you warnings if your drive starts having ANY SMART faults, not just low enough to trip a SMART warning, and will also warn you if the drive starts climbing past its normal operating levels. I use it with my SMB customers, works great.
Oh one final thing...I've dealt with over 20 failed SSDs and not a single one, not one mind you, threw any SMART errors before failure. Instead you would literally find it worked one day, dead the next. With the HDDs I've probably had who knows how many over the years with various customers die and in the past decade I have yet to come across a failing HDD that was impossible to get the data off of, if no other way you could always throw together a clean box and change the platters. i have yet to hear of anybody recovering data off an SSD without paying a top notch recovery company to the tune of a couple of thousand dollars.
Are you stoned? WHAT money saved? The cost per Gb makes SSD much worse than HDDs, the controller failures (see "coding horror hot/crazy scale" for several PAGES going over 2 years listing failure after failure) makes them more expensive and if you data is worth ANYTHING you will have to use full disc encryption (thus negating a lot of that SSD speed) or just give up your warranty because while its pretty easy to zero out a HDD that is dying when an SSD controller fails there is NO WAY IN HELL to wipe the drive so I hope you don't mind some refurb factory in Taipei getting access to your SSD's data.
So I'm sorry but there is NO "savings" for using SSDs, like Ferrari its speed above all, above reliability (which will get worse as the shrinks and levels of MLC make corruption much easier), above capacity, in fact you honestly won't save any on power with a modern OS that isn't RAM starved as Win 7 and above can simply cache most used files in RAM and park the drive.
And you are frankly full of shit, Nokia hadn't been a "premium" brand since the late 90s, in fact only in parts of Europe were they even known, the USA saw Nokia as the company that along with Motorola made shitty dumbphones sold at Fred's and other dollar stores. There is your "premium" brand for ya chief, sold right next to the generic soda.
As for Nokia making any money with Android? I'd point out the #2 maker of Android HTC is expecting another year of losses because guess what? In a race to the bottom only the leanest of companies will make consistent profits...hey that is what i said would be the case, didn't I? Like it or not Nokia was top heavy, had too high of an operating cost, too little experience in the Android smartphone market, no experience with writing low level drivers for Android, and their factories cost more per unit than HTC,LG, and Huawei and all of those are showing inconsistent profits, again if they are lucky a few dollars per unit because surprise! That is what a race to the bottom is, it is great for consumers because they price gets as close to cost as can be while still making devices profitable but Nokia's costs made their ability to compete in that shark tank non-existent. Even their ability to compete with dumbphones has been falling like a stone thanks to the Mediatek SoC that lets Chinese companies and those subcontracting (like Motorola) to sell dumbphones for sub $10 USD retail. I'm sorry but Nokia didn't have the chops to play in the Android market, they would have been eaten alive, as HTC,Huawei and others are right now.
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Straw man as both child porn and snuff films require victims to be created, whereas expressing one's ideas require only the words to express them. BTW for the record I believe the so called "simulated" child porn like Manga and shock films like Serbian Film should NOT be in any way banned as those did not require any victims to be created, they can express their ideas without requiring harm to anybody to do so. I have also donated to the fund to free the guy that wrote the so called "pro pedo" book as he likewise merely expressed his ideas on the subject,he wasn't accused of harming anybody, just putting his thoughts into book form, which to me is the classic definition of thoughtcrime.
And as for your straw man with the Nazis? Look up Dec 1941 and you will see that Germany declared war upon the USA and was sinking American boats in the Atlantic. It had nothing to do with free speech, it had to do with a hostile power declaring war upon the USA and the USA having the right to fight back. BTW in 1944 a German 4 engine bomber made it to within 8 miles of NYC, if the USA wouldn't have opened up a western front the "Amerika Bomber" would have been operational by 1945 and the east coast of the USA would have been the target, including DC, NYC, and every port along the eastern seaboard. This again had nothing to do with the right of the Nazis to express their views, it had to do with the Nazis forcing those views upon the world through subjugation.
Oh please! Nokia hasn't had GOOD brand recognition since the days of Win98, they have been trading on their past glory by selling shit dumbphones that you find in dollar stores. yep great brand, go get a Nokia next to the generic soda at Fred's. Sorry pal but this ain't 2002, Nokia has NO brand recognition that is positive as anybody who has had one of their shit dumbphones of the past 5 years can tell you. My mother refused to give up her dumbphone...until back to back Nokia shitphones that couldn't make calls for shit, had garbage sound, pathetic battery life, and controls that frankly glitched and hung more than a bottom of the line Android phone upgraded to Android 4.
Go to any forum where they talk about featurephones and see what kind of brand recognition Nokia has...its shit. You and too many others have rose colored glasses because of the N900 but they haven't put out anything quality in fricking years, the PHBs pinching pennies saw to that. Of course that is what you get when a company has piss poor management, it was ALL short term thinking, no vision, no thoughts of the future, I'm sorry but by ANY metric, profit per phone, market cap,share of market, Nokia has been going in only one direction...ever seen the commercial with the monkeys dancing and burning money to a sign that says profits are up when in reality the company is nosediving? That is Nokia.
Oh what total horseshit, the ONLY market Nokia has is in dumbphones where they measure their profits in pennies, they had not one, not two, but THREE internal OS teams all backstabbing and cockblocking each other at EVERY turn, the OS that so many here thought actually had a prayer, the MeeGo? Was was being actively sabotaged from TWO fronts, Intel for fear that the ARM version would get more sales than the X86, and the Symbian team for fear that MeeGo might steal their thunder, and for those that say "Oh android would save them"? Tell that to HTC who despite increased sales is is losing money because that is what happens in a race to the bottom, only the leanest companies that can cut costs to the bone make any green.
So I'm sorry but Nokia was circling the drain long before Elop even walked in the door. the entire management was a mess, they had lost more than half their value in less than 6 years, they had no product that could compete with iOS 2 and Android froyo and gingerbread, and all they had left was dumbphones which thanks to motorola using the mediaTek SoC that allowed a complete dumbphone to be built for less than $5 USD they were fucked with a capital F. The situation at Nokia was an exact copy of what happened at Palm, they sat on ass and stuck with a profitable product without bothering to sink the R&D into a new OS until the world passed them by, Symbian for Nokia and Garnet for Palm.
So pretty much the only choice was to buy a fully complete OS and throw a Hail Mary and with HP paying insane-o money for WebOS (a better fit for Nokia IMHO) there literally wasn't any other OSes to go with, it was that or close the doors and give the money back to the shareholders.
Uhhh...I think you aren't following the conversation friend, i'm not talking about the weapon slots ON THE CHARACTER I'm talking about the weapon slots ON THE TRADING LOCKER. Having only 4 slots on the trading locker is plain retarded as it makes you needlessly switch between characters just to share loot with your characters. A MUCH better design would be to have a tab at the bank for each character you have that has made it to Sanctuary or at the very least have the trade slots grow when you buy slots in your bank.
Oh and while they tuned down the Bee IMHO all they did was turn it from "extreme overkill" to just "major overkill", less than 2 weeks ago I was slaughtering enemies a good 8+ levels above me with no effort, in fact the only threat I had was from running out of ammo.
Snicker...yeah right. if you want to claim you like the design? fine, you want to claim that you like OSX enough to pay the hardware tax? Sure, why not. But you can go to Tigerdirect and get nicer hardware for less money so please don't try to sell us the "its a good value" BS, mmmkay? Not to mention that unlike you we actually have CHOICE, we can mix and match and get a machine designed around what WE need, not what Cupertino wants to push. Oh and as a final note I built TWO hexacores AND a quad for less than a single Apple tower, its much nicer to have the kids on their own gaming PCs than having them use mine.
As for TFA...anybody tried the Android version yet? How bad is it as far as storage and RAM goes? I tried Firefox a few weeks ago on my phone and found it to feel bloated and sluggish, worse than the built in Android browser and WAY worse than the Dolphin browser i'm using. With Android I'm constantly trying new apps so the thinner and lighter the better, so any hard numbers would be appreciated.
That makes me think of my gamer customers, they'll spend truly insane amounts of money just to get to the top of some leaderboard which means exactly jack shit when it comes to real world application performance, but they treat those numbers like its some sort of E-peen measuring contest or something.
as far as you getting stuck with something you can't use? I have to give Gearbox credit as that is one of the nice things about the Borderlands series, any character can use any weapon. sure if I'm playing the assassin I can get some sniper buffs i can't if I'm a gunzerker but my gunzerker can snipe just as well as the assassin and can use the same weapon loadout. My only gripe is whomever built the share locker needs their ass kicked...4 slots? Really? And no way to get more? It makes it a real PITA when you get multiple items you want to share with your other characters, as you have to do a LOT of switching to get it all moved.
Uhhhh...you make your own INF for the monitor with something like Powerstrip and be done with it? My KVM switch doesn't support EDID, it took less than 10 minutes to whip off an INF with the correct resolution and push it to my systems, easy peasy and has worked perfectly ever since.
Actually I'd say what made Borderlands a success (other than the fact its damned funny, something we haven't had in shooters since No One Lives Forever) was the fact that trading with your friends made ANY high level gun a good thing. for example I suck at CQB and prefer to stay and stand off distance so i favor rifles and revolvers but my youngest prefers shotguns and battling CQB so if he found a good rifle it wasn't "oh crap I don't use those" it was "meh I'll trade it to my uncle" and the same would go for me and shotguns, this made hunting for the good loot all the more rewarding.
Of course the down side of that is there is still a few legendary items that are frankly game breakers, you can farm the Bee legendary if you have the Tiny Tina DLC and frankly with that shield you can just slaughter anything in your path, with a decent SMG I was just obliterating creatures that were so high level they had a skull next to their name but with the Bee? two clips and they are toast. Thanks to the ability to farm all it takes is one guy with a bee to farm and you can quickly have a whole team loaded with Bee shields and then the challenge is gone, you can just blow through the entire game like it was nothing.
As for D3? Until they get rid of the "always online" component they can count me out. for those that feel like me I STRONGLY recommend Torchlight II, it gives all the diablo style hack and slash goodness (made by one of the guys that did D2) and unlike D3 not only is it offline if you want it also has LAN and co-op and supports modding, the community has already made a ton of killer dungeons, new monsters, enhancements, all kinds of good stuff. It even comes with a mod manager and supports up to 10 mods at a time, so you can mix and match and make the game YOUR way. I don't mind online only in a MMORPG, that is kinda the entire point of those, but I'll be damned if I pay good money for a single player game I can't play without a connection.
Exactly, even though they had PLENTY of stock the prices shot through the roof and frankly have yet to come back down. Before the flood i was buying HDDs at less than $40 a TB, now the cheapest I've found is around $70 a TB,damn near double.
Frankly we need more antitrust investigations as too many times we have seen these manufacturers collude, see the LCD price fixing for an example.
Exactly, if I used my real name instead of Hairyfeet what EXACTLY would change? I'd still hold the opinions I do now, still stand by my words, the ONLY difference is it would not only make it easier for the government to track everything i say but it would also making stalking much easier to do.
As someone who was stalked by a crazy woman for nearly 2 years IRL and have had bouts of cyberstalking by what I call the "FOSSie faction", with one even spending over a year just following me on every place he could find and making account after account just so he could post "Die you fat fucker, die" excuse me if I don't want those same members of the batshit brigade to follow me around IRL, thanks ever so. If anything I'd say using real names makes stalking more likely as stalkers? Really don't care if you know who they are, as i found out with the crazy bitch that followed me across 3 states. She never once tried disguising her voice, or even pretending it wasn't her,and as i found out from the cops this is all too common, the unbalanced frankly don't give a shit whether they are known or not as they will keep right on doing what they are doing.
Oh and before anybody says "You were just having trouble with an ex" nope, had never even slept with the woman, i simply gave her a drink (as the band had a generous bar tab and I don't drink) and played a song for her as she looked depressed and apparently that was enough in her damaged mind to "have us in a relationship". you don't realize how many truly fucking mental people are out there until you run into one of them and I pray nobody here ever does because...damn. I had to file restraining orders, hide my truck, finally some dumbass guitarist was stupid enough to sleep with her...poor bastard, I bet she is STILL stalking his ass across hell's half acre even to this very day. But if you ever end up in a situation like that you'll find out just how fucking useless the law really is, she had done that to a half a dozen guys over the years yet because the stalking laws are so weak, at least when this was going on, she never got more than a slap on the wrist and a "don't do that" from a judge, fucking worthless.
I'll never forget what my grandfather taught me about free speech, after he helped liberate one of the camps he spent nearly 2 years in a full body cast thanks to one of the rag tag "werewulf" squads at the end of WWII dropping a wall upon him so if there was ANYBODY that had the right to hate Nazis it was him...yet he supported the right of the Nazis to march in Illinois. He said "that is what made us better than them, we let anybody speak, even though we don't agree with them".
I took his words to heart several years after he was gone when I was living in Dallas and saw skinheads recruiting, trying to feed on anti-Mexican sentiment. I just went to a store down the street and made up my own little sign, it said "ask me about the camps" and told those who stopped and asked what my grandfather had saw, the bodies piled up like cordwood, traincars overflowing with broken bodies, people so starved you couldn't tell male from female. needless to say the skinheads weren't too happy about that but one of the cops sent to keep an eye on the skinheads just parked his butt right next to me and said "he has as much right to speak as you do" and that ended that.
This is why I have fought against so called "hate speech" and "hate crime" laws as they aren't only trying to make some speech verbotten but they also seem to be designed around the concept of "protected classes" such as how they say nothing if you burn a bible but will throw you in jail if you burn a Koran. in America you should not be able to EVER ban speech, if you don't like what they are saying? Make your own sign and come up with a legitimate counter-argument,freedom of speech is too important to allow the politically correct to decide what is and is not acceptable.
That is not my problem with the whole argument, its that it makes no damned sense! I mean lets take /. for an example where I personally think ACs should be banned since they have become nothing more than trolls these past few years, no different than those little punks that scream racist slurs all over console shooters....why would making everyone have an account be a bad thing, as long as you can put whatever you want as a UID? Its not like my business cards have "Hairyfeet" on them yet there are several sites that know me as such, this way a user actually has to stand by their words (or be willing to waste a lot of time replacing accounts as they burn through the karma) but at the same time can keep their privacy intact.
Frankly the whole argument is probably moot anyway as folks have their own distinct style of writing which is no different than a fingerprint and is easy enough to catch on to if you pay a little attention. To use myself as an example there is a couple of old sites that i still use that I used my old gamertag instead of the Hairyfeet tag which came later but I ended up having to put in the bio part "yes its me Hairyfeet" because it never failed that I'd post and I'd get a half a dozen "Are you Hairyfeet? because you sure as hell sound like him" posts. while I can change my UID changing my manner of speech would be a HELL of a lot more difficult and anybody who had read a few of my posts wouldn't have any trouble spotting any post written by me.
So I see no reason why one can't have their cake and eat it too in this case, no reason they can't make up a UID and spend the whole 3 minutes to register on a site while at the same time not be forced to put in their real name and ID.
Uhhh...that is what I said, they were only ever "big" in parts of the EU and they haven't been a name brand in the USA or anywhere other than the EU since the late 90s.
If you asked an American what they thought of Nokia? First if they even knew who Nokia was would place them in the minority as again no big hits since the days of Win98, and if they DID know who Nokia was they'd say "shitty Fred's phones" because that is the only place where you see Nokia in the states anymore and even there they are having their milkshake drank by the Motorola because of the mediatek SoC.
Like it or not Nokia was about as much of a "premium brand" today as Palm, they are a has been that few outside the EU remember or even care about one way or another. Like it or not sticking with Symbian for so long left Nokia too far behind to catch up, no different than how Palm stuck with garnet so long that their devices looked like 8-tracks in comparison to the other players, no way in hell would Nokia have been able to sell their smartphones at a low enough cost to even get a toehold in the Android market, much less get their foot in the door.
Exactly and notice how the FOSSie faction marks me down without even comprehending I was pointing out there is NO POINT in wasting time with a closed source abandoned hobby OS when you have BSD, Linux, Android, etc.
I truly believe this is the reason for all the NSA spying, the top 1% know that we are heading for another dark age where they intend to "starve the beast" and the poor while they are at it so having a large list of anybody who might be able to get more than 3 people to listen to them (plus having dirt on anybody in office) so they are hoping a STASI style police state will save their asses...it won't.
This, all of this, this 21st century version of the robber barons HAS to end, because the poor outnumber the rich by several magnitudes and will NOT go silently into that good night, the only question? Is whether like the former USSR it dies quietly or like Germany of the 40s ends up turning into a monster.
Linux,BSD, Android, heck even niche OSes like Kolibri and haiku, we have a TON of free OSes that are NOT years behind and with SkyOS being built by only a single guy? It'll maybe, MAYBE be at win95 level of polish...yawn.
I just wanted to say thank you, its nice to see i'm not the only one screaming "WTF people?" from the rooftops. Ever since G+ and Brin gave his infamous "privacy is dead" speech Google has been just as big a douchebag when it comes to lock in and walled gardens as the other two, more and more the "FOSS friendly" and "You can do what you want with your data" are looking as bygone as the Woz upgrade friendly days of Apple, yet because somebody comes up with a stupid slogan that works as an RDF to deflect any and ALL criticism of the company? Honestly if you like Google then I think that you should hold it to a higher standard, after all if there is zero difference between Google,MSFT,and Apple WTF is the point of using Google? Its just another walled garden "corporate working against the user" supermegacorp in that case.
You mark my words, within the next 24 months we are gonna see more and more services that aren't ingrained in G+ get axed or so tightly integrated it'll be unusable unless you use G+. BTW it wasn't just offensive names that got blocked or hassled, I don't know how many times I've had G+ pester the shit out of me for not letting it tie everything to my real name, its gotten bad enough that I now keep a separate browser for YouTube so that there is no Gmail account access in that browser. But mark my words the old "FOSS friendly" and "open data" days are gonna be killed as dead as openness at Apple yet thanks to that stupid slogan Google could replace the search background with a Goatse and the flag wavers would be trumpeting their "dry sense of humor". To me the most ironic part is you could take any press release announcing these changes, replace a few words so that its Apple or MSFT doing them? And watch the pitchforks come out, but because of that magical do no evil RDF Google will get praised for doing the same shit that the other two get crucified for doing.
Because they are pushing the living fuck out of Google+ (seriously you can't even watch a Youtube video if you haven't tied your REAL NAME to Google+ without it bugging the piss out of you, its gotten bad enough I use a different browser for YouTube now) and preached on and on AND ON about how "FOSS Friendly" and "you can always get your data out" they were yet the thing they are ramming down everyone's throats to tie EVERYTHING together is proprietary as fuck and has NO WAY to get your data out?
I would point out that MSFT plays nice too...when they are losing, its when they are on top they try to lock the living hell out of everything and that is EXACTLY what we are seeing with Google, the old stuff when they had competition? Open. the new stuff? Just as proprietary as anything Apple makes. hell you seen the new ChromeBooks? The ONLY way you can install another OS on what ONCE was a completely bog standard X86 laptop is to 1.- Throw it into "dev mode" via a page and a half of hoop jumping, 2.- After that you can ONLY use one of a half a dozen HACKED Linux distros, all of which are supported by a couple of guys...yeah I wonder how long before that is abandoned?
I'm sorry Googleites but Google the past 24 months have been shown time and time again to be just as douchey, maybe even more douchey, than Apple and MSFT yet the crowd chants "do no evil!" likes its a magic shield. Well the emperor is bare assed folks, there is ZERO difference between Google,Apple,and MSFT, and you mark my words as the battle for mobile gets ever hotter you'll see Google going for ever nastier lock ins on the data. After all that data isn't YOUR data, its THEIR product which they sell to advertising firms...think they gonna give up that golden calf in the name of some dumb slogan? Not a chance in hell.
Which frankly blows my damned mind, its like "do no evil" is some sort of RDF instead of just another slogan like "think different" and "where do you want to go today?".
I mean from the nasty stuff we are learning from Snowden to the locking down the backend (where is the public API for Google+? Last I checked it didn't exist) to their using spammer techniques with Chrome like tying it to unrelated third party software which I would say is not only evil (because Joe and Jane don't know how to reset the default browser) but seriously douchey time and time again we have seen Google act just as nasty as MSFT and Apple yet...crickets. Hell it doesn't matter what they do, even ripping off the old "Requires IE" bit not only will people refuse to see this as nasty you will often see them charge to DEFEND whatever douchey thing Google does! When I pointed out on one forum that Google was using the old toolbar spammer trick of tying Chrome to programs like CCleaner and Defraggler I even had one defender say "Well I downloaded Chrome and didn't get CCleaner" because he was so fucking desperate to defend an obviously scumbag behavior he was grasping at any straws he could find!
I don't know, maybe I'm weird but I don't believe in "flying the flag" of ANY company, especially not the megacorps. If they make a good product like Win 7 or Android 2.x? I'll be happy to give credit where credit is due. If on the other hand they put out a product I think is crap, like Win 8 or those proprietary as hell and NSA wet dream ChromeBooks? I'll be the first to start passing out the rotten tomatoes. I honestly do not understand this whole "corporations as ballclubs" mentality, first I thought maybe it was a form of buyer's remorse, you have invested all this money into something you really don't have a use for so you defend and try to justify it like the gal I saw struggling to use an iPad for a grocery list, but then you have the free products like Chrome and Google Search that are just as militantly defended...I don't know, maybe I'm one of the last sane guys in the nuthouse but jumping through flaming hoops to defend some supermegacorp that would happily shove them under a bus if it made the stock bounce 8% is just insanity to me.
Which is why I never understood why the FOSS advocates cheered android...what is the difference, really? It doesn't support the four freedoms, the drivers are pretty much all proprietary, and it takes an act of God and skills beyond the majority to unlock many of the phones. I looked into unlocking my LG and it was over a page long with half a dozen points where it said "If you get this wrong or it fails YOU BRICK YOUR PHONE" which was enough to make even an old techie like me reconsider, a regular user would have turned back at the page and a half of insanely complex moves. Hell most folks can't even re-partition their PCs, and they are supposed to re-partition their phone by CLI? Not likely.
So I honestly don't get it, and this is coming from somebody that loves his Android phone but frankly Android has more in common with TiVo than it does with Linux. I may have my arguments with the FOSSie faction but I give credit where credit is due and the big difference between Linux and the other 2 is how trivial it is to change anything from the kernel on up. Don't like the DE? Change it to one of a half dozen or even go headless if you want, don't like the video subsystem? Rip out X11 and replace it with wayland or Mir, same goes for Pulse with ALSA and even the OS can be swapped out while keeping your data and settings. With Android honestly you have to jump through just as many hoops to unlock it as you do your average iPhone and it involves the same risks in a lot of cases, and even if you do there is a good chance that the community won't have drivers for your model, so what is the diff?
Exactly Linux users claiming android is as ridiculous as them claiming Chinese MP3s, in the case of Android its all about Dalvik and the kernel means exactly jack and squat. If you ripped out the Linux kernel for BSD, Windows, symbian, hell anything it really wouldn't matter as far as applications go as its all about the VM.
As for TFA? It again proves what I've been saying for years and that is FOSS isn't magic, the ONLY real advantage is it gives you the CHANCE, not the guarantee mind you, just the chance, to keep a piece of software no longer supported by the devs alive. Its not gonna help with security as one look at the obfuscated c contest entries will prove you can hide malware in plain sight and if you are good (such as the coders paid the big bux by certain three letter agencies) only the most studied of programming experts would be able to spot the malware, it doesn't magically lower costs as Dell found out when they had to keep a dev team just to have their own fork of Ubuntu to keep Canonical and upstream from crapping on their drivers, the only real advantage is the chance that maybe, just maybe, you can get enough like minded people together to keep old projects alive.
Now as for JWM? It really doesn't have a niche, which is why its most likely dying. The server guys run headless or use the most simplistic of GUIs to get their work done and hardware has progressed so rapidly that frankly even a dumpster dived P4 can run something like E17 or XFCE so having something less feature rich than XFCE but uses more resources than headless just doesn't have a niche. Last project I heard of that used JWM as a main DE was DSL and that has been dead for awhile now. I just checked and Puppy also uses it so maybe an appeal to their forums would be a good place to start? although looking at the Puppy Remixes it seems like JWM isn't even popular among Puppy users, with XFCE and E17 being much more popular to build a remix around than JWM. Still that does give one at least a starting point on where to drum up support.
Because unlike an athlete, like say a sprinter or boxer, where every second past maturity counts against them, somebody who has a brilliant mind can do great things for decades if they don't burn themselves out first? Look at Sagan, Hawking, hell Einstein did some of his best work in his later years.
Again sayings exist for a reason, and "the candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as quickly" has endured so long because it is truth,again I've met a few of these "wunderkind" in my time and they nearly always end up a burnout or a basket case before they are 30. Ironically you mentioned sprinting when in reality a better description of life would be a marathon and if you use all your energy you would be screwed?
Uhhh..as others pointed out I said it "will give you a warning" NOT "HDDs make noise you can hear" in point of fact you can get an SMS, or email, when a drive exceeds a limit that YOU set.
Try HDDLife Pro, last I check they have free trials so it won't cost you anything to try it and it will give you warnings if your drive starts having ANY SMART faults, not just low enough to trip a SMART warning, and will also warn you if the drive starts climbing past its normal operating levels. I use it with my SMB customers, works great.
Oh one final thing...I've dealt with over 20 failed SSDs and not a single one, not one mind you, threw any SMART errors before failure. Instead you would literally find it worked one day, dead the next. With the HDDs I've probably had who knows how many over the years with various customers die and in the past decade I have yet to come across a failing HDD that was impossible to get the data off of, if no other way you could always throw together a clean box and change the platters. i have yet to hear of anybody recovering data off an SSD without paying a top notch recovery company to the tune of a couple of thousand dollars.
Are you stoned? WHAT money saved? The cost per Gb makes SSD much worse than HDDs, the controller failures (see "coding horror hot/crazy scale" for several PAGES going over 2 years listing failure after failure) makes them more expensive and if you data is worth ANYTHING you will have to use full disc encryption (thus negating a lot of that SSD speed) or just give up your warranty because while its pretty easy to zero out a HDD that is dying when an SSD controller fails there is NO WAY IN HELL to wipe the drive so I hope you don't mind some refurb factory in Taipei getting access to your SSD's data.
So I'm sorry but there is NO "savings" for using SSDs, like Ferrari its speed above all, above reliability (which will get worse as the shrinks and levels of MLC make corruption much easier), above capacity, in fact you honestly won't save any on power with a modern OS that isn't RAM starved as Win 7 and above can simply cache most used files in RAM and park the drive.
And you are frankly full of shit, Nokia hadn't been a "premium" brand since the late 90s, in fact only in parts of Europe were they even known, the USA saw Nokia as the company that along with Motorola made shitty dumbphones sold at Fred's and other dollar stores. There is your "premium" brand for ya chief, sold right next to the generic soda.
As for Nokia making any money with Android? I'd point out the #2 maker of Android HTC is expecting another year of losses because guess what? In a race to the bottom only the leanest of companies will make consistent profits...hey that is what i said would be the case, didn't I? Like it or not Nokia was top heavy, had too high of an operating cost, too little experience in the Android smartphone market, no experience with writing low level drivers for Android, and their factories cost more per unit than HTC,LG, and Huawei and all of those are showing inconsistent profits, again if they are lucky a few dollars per unit because surprise! That is what a race to the bottom is, it is great for consumers because they price gets as close to cost as can be while still making devices profitable but Nokia's costs made their ability to compete in that shark tank non-existent. Even their ability to compete with dumbphones has been falling like a stone thanks to the Mediatek SoC that lets Chinese companies and those subcontracting (like Motorola) to sell dumbphones for sub $10 USD retail. I'm sorry but Nokia didn't have the chops to play in the Android market, they would have been eaten alive, as HTC,Huawei and others are right now.