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The Boy Genius of Ulan Bator

An anonymous reader writes "A lot of us grew up tinkering with electronics and cherishing the one or two reference books we could find that explained exactly what we wanted to know. Nowadays, with internet access widely available and online educational materials coming into their own, we're going to see a lot more kindred spirits coming out of places all over the globe. The NY Times has a story about one such, a lad from Mongolia who hacked together complex sensors at the age of 16 and was one of the 0.2% of students to get a perfect score on MIT's first Massive Open Online Course. From the article: 'Battushig, playing the role of the car, moved into the sensor's path to show me how it worked, but it was clear he was not entirely satisfied with his design. "The use of the long wires is very inconvenient for my users," he said, almost apologetically, clasping his hands together in emphasis. He realized that contractors would be reluctant to install the siren in other buildings if they had to deal with cumbersome wiring, so he was developing a wireless version. ... Battushig has the round cheeks of a young boy, but he is not your typical teenager. He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?") and doesn't like listening to music (when a friend saw him wearing headphones, he couldn't believe it; it turned out Battushig was preparing for the SAT). His projects are what make him happy. "In electrical engineering, there is no limit," he said.'"

163 comments

  1. limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "In electrical engineering, there is no limit,"

    In real life, there is.

    1. Re:limits by Nerdfest · · Score: 0

      Generally only because other people put them there. Nice to see this boys parents aren't forcing him to listen to Justin Beiber to fit in with the other kids.

    2. Re:limits by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Oh my, the genius boy who doesn't like music.
      Therefore, if you listen to music, you're dumb :)
      (doesn't matter which music...)

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    3. Re:limits by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly what does Justin Beiber have to do with music? I refer to him as an example of pop culture. Yes, I realize he is marketed as having something to do with music, but that's quite questionable.

    4. Re:limits by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Yes. I agree. It is all the fault of those damn killjoys like Einstein, Coulomb and Newton!

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    5. Re:limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. I agree. It is all the fault of those damn killjoys like Einstein, Coulomb and Newton!

      Fact: Neither Coulomb nor Newton listen to recorded music! EVER!

      I don't know if Einstein did. If he did, I'm sure it wasn't Beiber.

    6. Re:limits by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Wrong story there bud.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    7. Re:limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In electrical engineering, there is no limit,"

      In real life, there is.

      c seems to be a limit in both real life and in electrical engineering.

    8. Re:limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      given that it's electrical, it's more like 0.69 * c

    9. Re:limits by war4peace · · Score: 1

      TFS says "doesn't like listening to music" - which implies he doesn't like listening to ANY music. That sounds like the guy's missing a lot in life.
      justin bieber is not music - so he might even listen to justin bieber and still hold TFS true... - but I digress.

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      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    10. Re:limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, Chu's Limit, Bode Fano limit, Shannon's limit. etc.

    11. Re:limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Scienrology helps people okay? It helps peopel and if you're attacking it that means you must be afraid that people are going to get betetr! It's simple!

    12. Re:limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course someone put them there.

      Limits were put in place by Isaac Newton and Gottfried Leibniz in the 17th century. Every calculus student knows this.

    13. Re:limits by Optali · · Score: 1

      Kids in Mongolia don't do that, they prefer to gather in huge hordes and prepare to invade the fuck out of the rest of the planet.

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    14. Re:limits by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

      He seems singularly focused, very into one area at the expense of others. It is likely he is mildly autistic, or Asperger's. Functional, he just doesn't seem to like things outside of facts. No music, apparently isn't a casual reader.

      While he is undoubtedly missing out, perhaps a mind uncluttered by fanciful notions and devoted to rooting out more facts is what we need.

      So sad to see all of the people here saying he is missing out on parts of life and wanting to "fix" him. He is clearly different, and fixing him may actually break his focus. Until he has problems as a result, best to let him be. He may have no problems at all and be perfectly happy.

    15. Re:limits by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't want to "fix" anyone, i just dislike it when these "particularities" are presented in such a way that they become "a model to follow".
      Something like "see, kids, what you can accomplish if you don't listen to music?"

      It's the difference between Stephen Hawking presented as a genius despite the fact he can't walk, and Stephen Hawking presented as a genius because he can't walk.
      TFS says "he's not your typical teenager" - DOH. No genius teenager is typical - simply because the typical teenager is not a genius :)

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    16. Re:limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...they prefer to gather in huge hordes and prepare to invade the fuck out of the rest of the planet.

      Sorry, when did the topic change to the US ?

    17. Re:limits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is an undesirable outcome for our attention to be constantly directed toward the fact that you are an idiot.

  2. Must we call him a genius? by KingTank · · Score: 5, Funny

    When we could simply call him "Master"?

    1. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When we could simply call him "Master"?

      OK. "Master, you are a genius."

    2. Re:Must we call him a genius? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We'll be calling him burnout or a shrink in 5 years sadly. No music, no recreation at all? Yeah I've met a few of those types over the years and...well it never ends well. It is like they bottle everything, using the pressure to gain forward momentum, problem with that? No vessel can contain infinite pressure so sooner or later they blow and when they do its ugly.

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    3. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When we could simply call him "Master"?

      Master of Ulan Bator? Only if he's "hands on" ;-)

    4. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We'll be calling him burnout or a shrink in 5 years sadly. No music, no recreation at all?

      You are confusing earplugs with listening to music and/or recreation. You never see me listening to recorded music, either. Particularly not while I am working. Or driving a car. Or doing anything else requiring concentration. Or, realistically speaking, ever. Listening to music requires attention for me. Because music makes sense. If I need to space out between concentration, I practice music. That's ok. It accomplishes something. Listening to music, in contrast, just burns attention for nothing.

      And it's badly paced, too: I could never listen to an audio book: I'd go crazy with impatience. Reading books, in contrast, is fine. When I practice and/or play music, the pacing is mine. It may even be slower than music I listen to, but if it is, it is so for a reason.

      There are places for eating dinner who play music. Mostly I can deal with that fine. But not if there's things like baroque music or so. Either I focus on the music or on the food. Not listening to the music is similar to throwing the food on the floor. It just does not make sense.

      People confuse music with background noise and get uncomfortable when there is silence. That's really sick, and of course it lends a heavy advantage to braindead music.

      Sorry for the rant, but I'm annoyed at people who think the right way to consume music is to treat it like white noise.

    5. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax. All we have to do is tell him that we hate the Tanar'ri. Then he'll be on our side.

    6. Re:Must we call him a genius? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Another Genghis Khan in the making? The kid's in puberty. Wait until he's in male menopause. That should slow him down a bit.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    7. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFA mentions his interest in photography, tennis and billiards, so it is unfair to say he does not have any time for recreation. As for music, not everyone is interested in music so much that they would bother to actively seek out opportunities for listening music. I am also an electronics guy and I don't listen to music either (instead, I have a passion for movies).

    8. Re:Must we call him a genius? by hedwards · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Pretty much. You look at the geniuses that are identified and lauded at that age and few of them are still doing well 20 years later.

      The brain does decline somewhat with age, but not to that extent. At some point you hit a wall you can't figure out and if you haven't developed other interests, then you can spend 50 years banging your head up against it without noticing the door on the other end of the room.

      But, more than that, this kind of focused genius isn't particularly resilient in the long term. The brain needs to have various stimuli in order to function best. Sometimes the answers you need are only accessible with mental flexibility.

    9. Re:Must we call him a genius? by zullnero · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of prodigies who grow up to continue being quite important members of their particular profession. It's not automatic that someone born with a gift will implode and go berserk just because you see it in movies and you had that "one friend" who was smart but then he found drugs.

      A lot of people make this exact point as a result of insecurity. No one really enjoys knowing that there's someone out there who's beating the pants off you and they haven't even gone to college yet. At some point, you just learn to let it go and do what you can.

    10. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Insecurity has nothing to do with it. I've got an IQ that measures in the 140s despite learning disorders, a head injury and significantly less working memory than average. I've literally never met anybody that's brain functions on the level mine does.

      And I still take note of the fact that these prodigies rarely ever maintain that lead for long. Having a high IQ and talents like this is hardly the only factor. The people who wind up leading their fields are typically much broader in their abilities. Sure, they might not be the best in their area, but they've spent enough time with other disciplines that they can tell which way the wind is going and make appropriate plans.

    11. Re:Must we call him a genius? by aevan · · Score: 1

      Have to agree with you. I can't fall asleep to music: I can narrow focus to just the music (and so be 'relaxing' as opposed to multitasking)...but it hits a certain plateau and from there never reaches sleep. At this point it's the music that's keeping me awake.

      For background noise, just leave a fan on.

    12. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree. Music is like many things. It is fine is moderation. The current mentality is to make it a defining aspect of ones life. It is unhealthy.

    13. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      " just because you see it in movies and you had that "one friend" who was smart but then he found drugs. "

      I'm his one friend you insensitive clod!

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    14. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you have to tell us all that in the 1st paragraph makes you sound super insecure.

    15. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the fact that you're commenting on it makes you sound like your jealous. I don't give a shit what you think of me, but the fact of the matter is that the GGGP has a point, these kids tend to burn themselves out before they've had a chance for their brain to peak.

    16. Re:Must we call him a genius? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Stress and pressure do horrible things to the brain. Not to mention that the choices these kids are pressured into making so they don't waste their gift tend not to be particularly good for the hypothalamus either.

      I don't personally care, by the time I was 8 I was already smarter than most of the adults I came into contact with. And at 32 I'm smarter than I've ever been. Mostly because I wasn't identified and single out. Sure, I haven't been able to make the most of what I have because I lack access to the things I'd need to do so, but it's allowed me time to mature and gain meaningful understanding of most areas of inquiry that I've come into contact with. Truth be told, most people are too stupid to grasp even the basics of economic theory, what do I care if they respect my intelligence?

      Specialism is great, but it's not a viable long term strategy if you want to maximize the impact you have. You do marginally better in a few areas, while giving up a huge amount you could have contributed in many others. Not a tradeoff that I'd like to make.

    17. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You never see me listening to recorded music, either.

      And you end up trolling Slashdot. QED.

    18. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jealous? Not sure how you... Anyway, just trying to let you know, it sounds insecure to others when you pull out IQs. If it doesn't to you, that's cool, but I will promise you it does to others. Also you were modded Funny (not by me) probably because of the irony of making a grammar error "that's brain functions" in the sentence where you talk about your brain being at a higher level than anyone you have ever met. Literally.

    19. Re:Must we call him a genius? by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 2

      The vast majority of people can actively enjoy music in the background *and* pay attention to what they're doing -- it doesn't become "white noise" just because we're not focusing all of our attention on it. Music also actually helps us enter the 'zen' state that results in markedly improved performance; at that point, we'll be focused on the task, but fall right back out of the zen state if someone shuts the music off. That's why music is commonly found playing in situations that require a great deal of concentration: performing surgery, playing a tough video game, writing fiction, etc.

      It's definitely not "wasted" attention, in other words: it makes use of the unused/left-over attention that otherwise goes unused, and when well-chosen to fit the person's preferences & mood, it brings pleasure, enhances their emotional state, and helps them perform better.

      It really sounds like you have to concentrate more than most other people do in order to make sense of certain sensory input. I have that problem when it comes to spoken communication: I must concentrate intensely to understand what's said (a condition known as an auditory processing disorder) or to formulate a spoken response, and I know a few people whose visual processing is so crappy that they have to consciously concentrate in order to drive a car even after 10 years of driving.

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    20. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > these kids tend to burn themselves out before they've had a chance for their brain to peak.

      You have no data to support that. Yes, the many prodigies who are *pushed by their parents* to perform at a young age may burn out. Like lots of Indians and Chinese, etc. (I am Indian.) No indication this boy is being pushed by his parents.

      But plenty of self-motivated prodigies do just fine in their chosen field. They may not be in the public eye, but that's not my measure of success.

    21. Re:Must we call him a genius? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      The candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast, truth is truth.

      Ironically by doing everything in moderation I'd say I'm doing better now creatively than i was 20 years ago, at least as far as my music is concerned. Part of that has to be finding a damned good guitarist/singer/songwriter to work with and a nice tight drummer and sticking with the 3 piece format which makes me have to really bust my ass to make the band sound full with so few instruments, but I'd also say knowing when to step away and clear my head REALLY helps.

      I have seen many push themselves like this kid, both in IT and in music and ya know what? It never ends well, they either burn out of fizzle out. I drive my GF nuts with all my sayings but truth is truth and "everything in moderation" is something frankly all should try to live by IMHO. I would love to see a follow up when this kid is 30, I bet he'll have had a burn out or a breakdown.

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    22. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both you and the GP are engaging in an argument of the form: I don't do this, it wouldn't be good for me, therefore it is bad for anyone to do this. I intended to explain why that's a bad argument, but I think just explicitly saying what the argument is should suffice.

    23. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really sounds like you have to concentrate more than most other people do in order to make sense of certain sensory input.

      It's more like most other people don't even bother. I'm a pretty good musician, good enough to sing a Bach aria while playing the violin and double bass parts on the accordion, giving each voice independent cohesiveness and articulation. That only works if you manage to also listen to what you are doing. All voices of it. Convincingly independent voicing of separate parts is rather tough, but then a lot of pop musicians manage that simply enough by splitting voices across multiple players (multi-track recording can become a little too convincingly independent). But the listener has no such expedient.

      It feels like someone tells me "Listening to Chinese is easy for me. I could do it all day long." "What are the people to your right talking about?" "Huh? They aren't talking about anything. They are speaking Chinese."

    24. Re:Must we call him a genius? by kermidge · · Score: 1

      When walking, just walk.
      When sitting, just sit.
      Above all, don't wobble.

      --Old Zen

      "People confuse music with background noise and get uncomfortable when there is silence." That, or flip the TV on automatically when entering a room, not to watch, but for the whatever. It's as though they can't stand to be alone with themselves. I find that a bit scary. I'm not so pure, though; I'll sometimes put on a side while doing stuff around the pad.

      I'm rooting for the kid. Just make sure he's getting in the daily dozens or such, otherwise let him play.

    25. Re:Must we call him a genius? by terryk29 · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of people can actively enjoy music in the background *and* pay attention to what they're doing -- it doesn't become "white noise" just because we're not focusing all of our attention on it. Music also actually helps us enter the 'zen' state that results in markedly improved performance; at that point, we'll be focused on the task, but fall right back out of the zen state if someone shuts the music off. That's why music is commonly found playing in situations that require a great deal of concentration: performing surgery, playing a tough video game, writing fiction, etc.

      For me it is the exact opposite, and I'm coming to accept I'm in the minority. If I need to concentrate (e.g. soldering, writing code, or doing math), I need silence. Even when I worked as a bike mechanic, I had to exact compromise on the radio volume from my coworkers*.

      *The only way I could explain it was that it "grabs my brain" or "pushes things out of my brain". Say I'm working on a bike: I notice something I must check next, after I'm done what I'm doing. Then I notice something else that must be checked, but any time later. (I'll jot the 2nd one down when I get the chance, but right now I can't let go of what I'm in the middle of.) Now I realize I need to choose a more appropriate tool for what I'm doing right now (notice my stack is now 3 deep), so I turn to the workbench, just as the radio blares out the even more annoying part of that song or a sponsor starts yelling about used cars, and - BLAM, I've lost one of those 3 items. I have to go back physically and mentally to the same point and quickly rerun things to try and get it back. In short, it breaks the continuity or "flow" and I'm less efficient. (And more "on edge" too, as I try to tune it out.)

      I know it also reduces my skills of observation - e.g. when doing something mechanical, noticing defects or that a manual process didn't go as properly as it should have.

      And forget about doing anything clerical - most music (or esp. annoying commercial radio) "pushes numbers out of my brain" that you need to keep a hold of for several seconds at a time.

      At another workplace, a colleague in the next cubicle was working on ACAD drawings - while rocking his head to something heavy metal-like. I just can't get that. Meanwhile, I'm working on some technical document, and had to ask him to turn it down.

      Aside from the volume, in general it may be that music with vocals is worse for this effect.

    26. Re:Must we call him a genius? by MisterSquid · · Score: 1

      I don't personally care, by the time I was 8 I was already smarter than most of the adults I came into contact with.

      With all due respect, I doubt you are as smart as you believe you are if you honestly believe this to be true.

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    27. Re:Must we call him a genius? by volmtech · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with a sprinter? He has to do it NOW. Most great minds do their best work in their 20s or early 30s. He may blaze a trail for the more pedestrian to follow.

    28. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Optali · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, when the Horde comes we will have more than enough opportunities to call him Master, ROFL

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    29. Re:Must we call him a genius? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Because unlike an athlete, like say a sprinter or boxer, where every second past maturity counts against them, somebody who has a brilliant mind can do great things for decades if they don't burn themselves out first? Look at Sagan, Hawking, hell Einstein did some of his best work in his later years.

      Again sayings exist for a reason, and "the candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as quickly" has endured so long because it is truth,again I've met a few of these "wunderkind" in my time and they nearly always end up a burnout or a basket case before they are 30. Ironically you mentioned sprinting when in reality a better description of life would be a marathon and if you use all your energy you would be screwed?

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    30. Re:Must we call him a genius? by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      The candle that burns twice as bright burns twice as fast, truth is truth.

      Ironically by doing everything in moderation I'd say I'm doing better now creatively than i was 20 years ago, at least as far as my music is concerned. Part of that has to be finding a damned good guitarist/singer/songwriter to work with and a nice tight drummer and sticking with the 3 piece format which makes me have to really bust my ass to make the band sound full with so few instruments, but I'd also say knowing when to step away and clear my head REALLY helps.

      But look at it from this perspective. In a few years there will be cars that drive themselves everywhere. A complex action that seemed so out of reach of automation will be reduced to the execution of an algorithm working well in day to day situations. So it isn't farfetched to imagine that learning itself may be reduced to the execution of an algorithm and people everywhere, let alone machines, can become practically overnight experts if they just follow the steps of the algorithm.

      So the hand wringing over too much pressure on kids may need to stop because there will be a lot of pressure on everyone. People will have to fluidly move from domain to domain taking on whatever comes along. There may be many advanced tools to help smooth the transition from one problem solving event to the next but those who try to stay in a niche may find it more like a rut.

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    31. Re:Must we call him a genius? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please do the needful

  3. Hero of this story is the high-school principal by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not taking anything away from this young man's abilities but what struck me most about the article was his high school principal, Enkhmunkh Zurgaanjin. To quote from the article:

    The answer has to do with Battushig's extraordinary abilities, of course, but also with the ambitions of his high-school principal. Enkhmunkh Zurgaanjin, the principal of the Sant School, was the first Mongolian to graduate from M.I.T., in 2009, and he has tried since then to bring science and technology labs to his students. "My vision," he told me, "is to have more skilled engineers to develop Mongolia. To do that, everything has to start from the beginning."

    Here is a man who graduated from M.I.T. but rather than entering the private sector to cash in on his hard work he instead went back to his home country to bootstrap his fellow countrymen. Kuods to this man.

    1. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      It's a kid with a mentor who works hard. The right person in the right situation.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by quax · · Score: 0

      What a vapid comment.

      Western arrogance at it's worst.

    3. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Western arrogance at it's worst.

      Western spelling at its best.

    4. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pardon me, I am not the above poster, but it is your comment instead that reeks of never having been outside of the USA.

    5. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      The guy runs a private school for children of Mongolian elites and had his hand in the OLPC boondoggle before that. Face it, he's a grafter, he probably took that kids MIT test for him, scam story.

    6. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by quax · · Score: 1

      Born in Germany, worked several years in the US, currently live in Canada. International enough for you?

    7. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. You and the OP are very naive.

    8. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by quax · · Score: 1

      And you are very cynical.

    9. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Kuods to this man

      Is that the local currency?

    10. Re:Hero of this story is the high-school principal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a true comment.

  4. Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by dryriver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously - Every couple of weeks there is news that some 12 - 18 year old spark somewhere in the world has come up with something ingenious. Anything from devices that create/save electricity, to some bio-trick that means that treated food doesn't spoil or decompose easily. And then comes - drumroll - NOTHING AT ALL. We never hear a word about these young geniuses again. We never see ingenious products/inventions created by them on the market. In all likelihood these "young geniuses" get recruited by some multinationals, and disappear into the belly of said multinationals, into some company lab, never to be heard from again. And its been this way for a while. The only "magic innovation" from a young genius that HAS made it into the market recently is Euclideon's Geoverse software. And with that one, everybody said/swore it was "vapourware", despite realtime videos showing the Euclideon 3D tech working as it should. ------ Wake me 5 years from now when these "young geniuses" have contributed something tangible to the real world; Something you can buy/lease/use in some way. My 2 Cents....

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    1. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're absolutely right. I was a childhood genius and now look at me. I'm posting on /.

    2. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by phantomfive · · Score: 0

      Well, Reiser did make KFS, killer filesystem. At least, that's what I personally (who am nobody) renamed it to after.........certain events.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Agreed. They all probably burn out quickly and settle into something mundane. Same goes for all these breakthroughs that are written about. How long have we been hearing about 3 dimensional data storage?

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    4. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Wow, way to shit all over someone who is working hard and shows promise. What do you do on weekends, go to the old folks' home and shout at them for failing in life because they ended up in an old folks' home?

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    5. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given that it's impossible to track the lives of all these individuals how do you know how they turn out later in life? Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean they're not doing significant work.

      The problem with you, and most people for that matter, is that they've been educated by Hollywood to expect that everything important must be immersed in fanfare and drama. Most of it goes unnoticed until one day; holy shit, we're all driving cars, or browsing the internet or buried in our smartphones. The vast majority of human progress has been a very deliberate and iterative process.

      But you unfortunately, in your mind this kid will be a failure because he'll never live up to your Iron Man-fueled fantasies.

    6. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you do on weekends, go to the old folks' home and shout at them for failing in life because they ended up in an old folks' home?

      Well, you have to -- their hearing is not what it once was!

    7. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something you can buy/lease/use in some way.

      So more of the same then? How about not limiting these 'kid geniuses' into the standard norm of what is modern society! You know... Post college job picked out by a adult who has been mentoring the kids higher ed for a few years? How about we give kids free fucking reign in a lab with REDICULOUS amounts of tech! And no timeframe for anything! Let them create, and not be bound by the rules that society, and money, has placed on every fucking person living today!

      You say nothing ever comes of these 'child geniuses'? That's because they're molded into the regular system! That system you, I, and 99.9% of everyone else on the planet is restricted to! ONLY way to stop that, is to monkey wrench what has become standard form for anyone with above significant, genius potential.

    8. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by asmkm22 · · Score: 0

      I pretty much ignore these kinds of articles. I think they're more about "feel-good journalism" than anything else.

    9. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by asmkm22 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not at all impossible to track the lives of these people. And you're right that they very well might be going on to do great work that never see's the light of day for most people. Which is exactly what everyone else does. I think his point is that there are lots of smart people doing really great things out there, but the media has an over-fascination with these extreme cases where the kid ultimately ends up like everyone else.

      You see it in the high school sports world as well. There will be some article about a 7 foot tall 9th grader who's tearing up the competition and is destined for the NBA and then... nothing. You actually can find out what happened with a little research, and it usually ends up being something like they weren't nearly as good in practice as they were on paper, at the higher levels of the sport. So they go on with life and maybe even play some college basketball, but eventually settle into something completely unrelated, but more realistic.

    10. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a great way to console yourself for your own mediocrity.

      Of course, your "mediocrity" might be completely untrue. Or it might be accurate. Much like your judgement of bright young people.

    11. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by c0d3g33k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd say you missed the point then. You accuse dryriver of needing Hollywood-fueled fanfare and drama, when in fact dryriver was questioning the need to play the "child genius" card every time a young person does something exceptional. That means nothing without some sort of followup so the second half of the story is told, hopefully involving living up to the early promise.

    12. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by SteveAstro · · Score: 2

      Some kill themselves.
      Like Aaron Schwarz

    13. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so we stop celebrating achievement? it generates clicks, so no.

      do we vet their solutions before publishing? hopefully editors do that.

      ignore promising contributions because they are not commoditized? that's just stupid.

      where is your misplaced anger really directed? at the companies that buy up promising tech and bury it to ensure their flagship product continues selling? let's be angry at the right people.

      go track what happened to your shining stars and be frustrated at that. don't know? you'll have to be more specific if I'm going to do your homework for you. I don't think you really care, you just have your anti business screed ready to go.

    14. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh-oh. Salieri is alive, and he has a Slashdot account!

    15. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by jonfr · · Score: 1

      You can only store data in 3 dimensions in quartz like materials. The problem is writing and reading and I just don't think the technical level is just there yet. They are now testing 5 dimensional storage. I am not sure how stable that is (due to quantum factors that is impossible to predict for) in the short and long run.

      I am sure they are going to work out the issues in the end. It might take 30 to 100 years until they do so. I am not up to speed on how the progress has been going in this research.

      Information:
      http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/jul/17/5d-superman-memory-crystal-heralds-unlimited-lifetime-data-storage
      http://www.southampton.ac.uk/mediacentre/news/2013/jul/13_131.shtml

    16. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "You can only store data in 3 dimensions in quartz like materials. "

      Presumably you mean 4 dimensions. We store data in 3 dimensions all of the time.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    17. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't tell if sarcasm or tautology. Definitely genius.

    18. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by jonfr · · Score: 1

      Data stored on hard drives are just in the physical form of the universe they are in. While our environment is in 3-D that might not apply on quantum level. I am not sure yet, since I currently do not study in this field of science. I am just interested in it as is.

    19. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by russotto · · Score: 1

      Other things we don't ever see:
      Practical flying cars
      Huge (10x or more) advances in battery technology (charge time, power density, energy density)
      Practical and scalable renewable energy
      Practical fusion power
      Decent low-power lighting (that's why they had to mandate it)
      Diesels that don't smoke.
      Novel cures for diseases, put into practice.

      Technological progress is going slow. It's all been hidden by the semiconductor revolution, but everything else is grinding to a halt.

    20. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using similar logic, your post is just a great way to defend your own mediocrity.

      What he said is true. Rarely does anything come of these so-called 'geniuses,' and that's because you haven't proven yourself to be a genius unless you've done something amazingly innovative; high test scores and small accomplishments do not mean someone is a genius. Ad hominems will not change any of this.

    21. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody upvoted you because you misspelled "ridiculous", FYI.

    22. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should make an account so that I would do something to be able to mod you and the parent up.

      I, too, was a childhood genius. I still rate quite favorably if I bother to take an IQ test. It can be embarrassing when someone asks if I have taken an IQ test and what the results were. My boss once told me his IQ and wanted to know mine, and the conversation ended quickly when I mentioned a number some 40 points higher than his...

      That is not the intent of my reply though, to state that I am smart or blow out my dewlap for slashdot to see...

      I am still a genius as an adult, and I am surrounded by people, like my boss, that endlessly frustrate me and sometimes infuriate me. I became a CCIE (having decided that desktop support was not a great career path and the Windows stuff seemed too... trivial, not to knock my co-workers that do professional MS product support), and you know what?

      It makes little difference. The people I work with on network design or configuration/hardware selection -- do not understand why I make decisions the way I do, tell me my ideas are too hard and too complicated, they never did it that way and they don't understand how it will ever work.

      Being right is rarely ever the correct answer--being able to sell (or convince others) of your solution, right or wrong, is how the world works. As I've found, I disdain sales people for trying to sell me what I do not need or want, and I have a hard time convincing others of things that they may not understand, and frankly, do not care to have explained to them. They just want it to work. What is very unfortunate is that even if I convince others of the right way to do things, I may end up being the only one that understands how the network actually works. One person told me that they didn't understand why I had a book on TCP/IP, because he just clicked the dhcp button in windows and it seemed to work! I work with *network* guys that can't fathom a subnet mask other than 255.255.255.0! But my employer pays me so well I try not to make the same complaints over and over--if the people don't want to learn about it, my complaining isn't going to teach them anything. (Note that we're punished for teamwork, as that isn't billable hours if we're educating ourselves).

      I try to avoid situations where my intelligence may peek out, as it ultimately results in frustration. Even worse, in consulting, even if my right answer is deemed correct, if it takes less time to do something because I am good at it, I am punished for not getting as many hours as the fellow who never configured it before and screwed up the setup wizard and had to spend twice as long figuring it out or calling Cisco (and charging the customer for it), because talking to me for help means that I can't be billing at the same time as the customer won't want to pay me to help out the guy that is on-site doing whatever--but if he claims something weird is up and he has to call Cisco (or any vendor for that matter), that is somehow OK.

      I hear about job stress and life stress, and I never imagined it had to do with the frustrations of being too smart for my own good. Perhaps I should pursue a career in academia? Customers say I would make a great teacher... but having been a student, I know that some of the class could not possibly care any less about the material presented and it's all forced on them... I would get frustrated with that very quickly. Don't come if you don't care, but they have to anyway because it is required? I think I see why some tenured staff are cranky old people.

      So, to better particpate in life, I have many hobbies, and am always learning -- I've clearly hit a roadblock at work, so I try to learn new skills. Sometimes I try for mastery, sometimes I do not. And in the end, I usually end up posting anonymously on slashdot.

    23. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by volmtech · · Score: 1

      If you were "really" smart YOU would be the boss. Your boss must be fairly smart, he knew enough to hire you didn't he. I worked with a genius co-worker. He was banned from a DoD job maintaining ballistic missiles when he told his supervisor the next days entry code, and was right. We made a good team, We worked together for two different bosses who were self-made millionaires, they hated him because he wanted to do things his way and was always right. Someone who is always right is annoying as Hell.

    24. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were "really" smart YOU would be the boss.

      I'm sorry, did you incorrectly correlate intelligence with managerial competence and/or motivation? I get really tired of seeing people trot this tired pony out.

      I will let you in on a secret, which is not really a secret: intelligent people can grasp the idea that intelligence is mostly orthogonal to success.

    25. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were "really" smart YOU would be the boss.

      Oh bullshit. The guy at my work thinks he's the greatest at whatever he does - yet he has to lie and break the law just to meet deadlines. He also thinks his Bachelor of Electrical Engineering (and MBA) are equivalent to a PhD.

      He also got his job because... his father is a senior manager.

      He ain't smarter than me. He's a fucking terrible manager, and shouldn't be allowed to manage computers...

    26. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by Kage-Yojimbo · · Score: 1

      We've got enough of those really tall guys working in my company to make a decent pickup basketball team. Those guys are working in marketing and engineering. I asked a couple of them about their basketball skills; one couldn't make the college team. The other played a few years with his school then realized he was not physically talented enough to advance. That's despite being seven feet tall. People don't realize that professional basketball players (or any kind of high level professionals) are the top tier of the top tier. Those 1% of the 1% are the people you hear about in the news.

    27. Re:Nothing ever comes of these "child geniuses" by GodGell · · Score: 1

      This is completely off-topic, but try to re-read your post imagining you were reading someone else's. You are boiling over with frustration, and I'm not convinced it's all other people's fault like you say. People are inconceivably diverse not just genetically but behaviorally, emotionally, in the way they think about and perceive the world and other people in it, as well as in how they communicate. Since most people do not have any traits (like being a genius) that stand significantly out from the rest, they have an easier time finding and learning the efficient ways to get their thoughts across to others similar to them (ie., the majority), but they too have to put effort into actively trying to picture the other person's frame of reference in order to do that well.
      People like you, me, and a large portion of the Slashdot/programmer crowd, often have a harder time with this, and if you know for certain that your intelligence is radically different (notice I did not say 'better', but 'different' - being "better" is irrelevant here) from that of the people in your environment, it's not hard to see it's going to make communication more difficult. Most geeks and true geniuses never find a way to deal with this well, ending up in more and more isolation as they go, ending up as depressed, frustrated jerks who belittle everyone else who they perceive to be less intelligent than them. (Despite the fact that anyone considered a "genius" would certainly know intelligence is not a simple one-dimensional continuum from dumb to smart.)
      It seems to me like you are destined for the same fate, unless you can put in the effort to change how you relate to others. I'm basing this assumption on the fact that you seem to be convinced everything that is wrong about your work environment is the fault of those "stupid" other people, and that all your frustration with them is clearly a simple consequence of you being "too smart for your own good". I'm sure someone as smart as you can see what a load of bull that is! ;)

      I try to avoid situations where my intelligence may peek out, as it ultimately results in frustration.

      Yet, here you are writing a lengthy post basically amounting to how you are a certain genius and how much smarter you are than everyone around you, and how much your life sucks because of that. Well, think about it: if we consider increased intelligence to be an enabler, a trait that lets you perceive more detail, recognize patterns easier and seize more opportunities in life (which I believe it is), and that people with less intelligence than yourself are thus more generally restricted in their range of options, isn't it then your responsibility, with all your extra capabilities, to find where the bottleneck is, to figure out how to communicate your ideas better? (You can start with a specific person like your boss, but if you do figure it out it will be so much better you probably won't stop there;])
      Or (failing that), simply to minimize friction between you and them? After all, you're saying you have "too much" intelligence and this is causing problems with the "stupid people", yet if a "stupid" person can integrate themselves just fine, shouldn't you be able to do the same thing and then some?

      I think the primary reason many of us geeks are exhibiting the same antagonistic attitude towards others as you are, is that the vast majority of people - whose minds do not contain the oceans of wisdom, knowledge and insight we believe our minds do - simply get more practice interacting with people throughout their lives, as they do not have anywhere near as many options to occupy themselves as we do... Good social interaction (where you actually strive to understand each other) is a very rewarding experience (even - or especially - for an introvert), except you and I are additionally capable of finding or creating entirely new rewarding experiences for ourselves, even when all we have are the contents of our own skull. Imagine losing that abil

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      [SHOW SOME LENIENCY TOWARDS ... I mean, FUCK BETA] Eat. Survive. Reproduce. GOTO 10
  5. Suspicious by Squiddie · · Score: 3, Funny

    He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?")

    Confirmed for replicant.

  6. Harry Potter? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow, it really says something about the mentality of the reporter..."you're young therefore you read Harry Potter." WTF? These are not universal values, they are just YOUR values from inside the bubble.

    Hurrah for his response, by the way. Stick it to 'em.

    --
    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
  7. ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?") this is both an ignorant and arrogant statement. an intelligent individual would read the books and then say there was nothing to learn from them, yet this kid assumes there is nothing to learn from it. the fact of the matter is that one can learn something from anything, it's merely dependent on perspective. he could learn things like loyalty, courage, conviction, friendship....many life lessons that he won't learn unless he pushes himself outside of his comfort zone of academic achievement. just like he needed help from others to make his reality a possibility.

    "I want to make good things for humans."

    how can he do good things for humans if he doesn't understand humans or have perspective? but the kid isn't smart enough to figure that out. some genius.

    1. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's true. I read a Dan Brown book. I learned that Dan Brown should not be allowed to write books.

    2. Re:ignorant and arrogant by VAElynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One doesn't need to taste a shit to tell it isn't chocolate.

    3. Re:ignorant and arrogant by bytesex · · Score: 1

      Harry Potter is crap, man. I don't know why you would defend that.

      --
      Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
    4. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he is right. He's not going to learn anything important or practical from fiction for children.

    5. Re:ignorant and arrogant by naasking · · Score: 1

      He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?") this is both an ignorant and arrogant statement. an intelligent individual would read the books and then say there was nothing to learn from them, yet this kid assumes there is nothing to learn from it.

      Or maybe he reached his conclusion via a logical argument, instead of an assumption like you're assuming. For instance, the fact that non-fiction books collectively contain more knowledge than fiction books, leads to the inevitable conclusion that if one desires to optimize the acquisition of knowledge, one is better served by avoiding fiction in preference to non-fiction.

    6. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be completely unfamiliar with the concept of ROI. It isn't ignorant to say that a highly acclaimed fiction book will have less educational utility than a highly acclaimed non-fiction text book.

      Is this kid's time better spent on "Ender's Game" or "dspguide.com"? Fiction works are generally useful to me as inspiration of what engineering could make possible, or as escapism. Non-fiction makes me more effective at achieving my dreams. If I'm not wanting for inspiration then what do I need from non-fiction?

    7. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While his answer is, as expected from those "kid genius", as arrogant as possible, it isn't ignorant. It should be obvious teenage literature books have much less to teach you than a math or physics book.

    8. Re:ignorant and arrogant by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?") this is both an ignorant and arrogant statement. an intelligent individual would read the books and then say there was nothing to learn from them, yet this kid assumes there is nothing to learn from it.

      Uhm...what about English? Great stuff for the adolescent foreigner with a good dictionary.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    9. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I used to think this way too until I stumbled into literature in my 30s...people who think fiction is not important probably don't understand it and I say that as someone who used to say "why read a story some guy made up when I could read a history book of real stuff", boy i sure looked like an idiot saying that but I thought I was so smart at the time.

    10. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He knows enough about the books to not say "What's Harry Potter". There is a lot of space between being aware of the title and reading it, and you don't know where on that continuum his awareness is.

      I've read the first half of the first book, and based on this kid's story, my experience, and listening to people discuss the remainder of the books and the movies, I can say he wouldn't learn anything useful. Plenty of other books he could read instead, and should, but that wasn't the question he was asked.

      Based on the answer to one question, you have built up your own personal back story of what he does read, and why. And, whether he has experience in "things like loyalty, courage, conviction, friendship" and whether he pushes himself outside of academia. It's all assumption, and you're an idiot.

    11. Re:ignorant and arrogant by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      He could just observe that people around him wasted time reading that books and learnt nothing. You do not need first hand experience to judge books, their reputations helps you making choices.

    12. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So he has to read every juvenile book ever written to be able to make a general comment about a juvenile book?

    13. Re:ignorant and arrogant by AlphaWoIf_HK · · Score: 1

      This sounds similar to, "You'll understand when you're older." Guess what? It's just as idiotic.

      --
      Da derp dee derp da teedly derpee derpee dum. Rated PG-13.
    14. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. He could read Harry Potter and realize it is overrated garbage and Rowling is a hack.

      Muggles? Seriously, Muggles? Did she look as far as across the room to her cat to come up with that name?

    15. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This child happens not to be interested in Harry Potter. You criticize him mercilessly for daring to step outside of the bounds of your narrowly conceived view of what all people must do. I've certainly got my own opinion about which one of those two things is ignorant and arrogant, and my view doesn't coincide with yours.

    16. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?") this is both an ignorant and arrogant statement.

      Newsflash: you won't manage to read every book that has been written in your life. So you have to sort them. The reporter asks him whether he has read a certain book, and he asks him a question in return about what he considers relevant for his reading material, namely "What will I learn from that?". Instead of even attempting to answer this question, the reporter gets in a tizzy and/or reports this in a manner intended to get his readers in a tizzy.

      Tells me more about them than about him. In a manner, that's the sort of reflection to a mostly vain question that the exchange between a reporter and Gandhi in London showed so famously: "Mr Gandhi, what do you think of Western Civilization?" "I would consider it a good idea."

      A quite more thoughtful answer than expected.

    17. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm...what about English? Great stuff for the adolescent foreigner with a good dictionary.

      Harry Potter? Seriously? That's not the Queen's but rather the little Princes' English. You're better off reading The Hobbit.

    18. Re:ignorant and arrogant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is a kid, and hopefully, he will learn how to figure out other people.

      It took me a long time to learn that many people were not interested in how something works. They just want it to work.

      I'm like the guy on the Onion that doesn't watch tv -- I say it now so we can move on to the next bit.

      I like to veg out and play video games, not passively watch TV. Members of my family, however, were dumbfounded. They were unable to articulate what I could possibly be doing in my spare time--one even asked me "How do you live?". Generally, if I visit with them (and I've grown more.. friendly about it... over time) I would request they turn the TV off, as I didn't drive out an hour to watch them ignore me and watch the TV. Maybe I am that uninteresting, but they certainly are too if I am watching them or their TV after having accepted an invitation to visit.

      And that is a human perspective I have yet to figure out. I suppose it is a social bonding thing, watching TV with members of my tribe?

      I haven't read harry potter either; I assumed it was for kids. The Hobbit clearly was -- and the LoTR trilogy starts out that way -- but I wouldn't have known that had I not taken the time to read it. I know just enough to be able to fake talking about it--rather than saying "Oh I did not read that, it is childish"... Maybe this kid will learn that before its too late, but chances are good they will not be teaching him that type of skill in the schools he will be attending.

  8. and no music? by nten · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not only has mathematical ability been correlated with music, people who don't enjoy music scare me a little. Someone once said that liking at least one song by Nina Simone was a prerequisite for humanity. Shakespeare regularly had his antagonists show an indifference to music. I think he might have been on to something.

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    refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
    1. Re:and no music? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      Not only has mathematical ability been correlated with music, people who don't enjoy music scare me a little. Someone once said that liking at least one song by Nina Simone was a prerequisite for humanity. Shakespeare regularly had his antagonists show an indifference to music. I think he might have been on to something.

      I don't listen to music very much, and it always annoys me when people ask "what kind of music do you like", as if it were some basic human need like eating. People like different things, and I sometimes resist the urge to ask "what programming language you prefer" or "which is better, Xilinx or Altera?" in return. Now, I actually enjoy music a lot, but I enjoy a bazillion other things too, and I don't want to spend a considerable part of my time consuming some product someone else made.

      --
      Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
    2. Re:and no music? by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he listens to music he creates himself in his head.

    3. Re:and no music? by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Love your sig, by the way. I'd also add "buggy", in that it frequently doesn't behave as intended.

    4. Re:and no music? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      "I don't listen to music very much, and it always annoys me when people ask "what kind of music do you like", as if it were some basic human need like eating. "

      No. They ask it because you are literally a freak if you don't like any kind of music. There are people who don't feel, but it is common to ask someone how they are feeling. The reason is - what for it - if they don't have any feelings then they are a freak.

      I am of course excluding deaf people. I once heard someone ask a deaf person what kind of music she liked. I was appalled, but it didn't seem to bother her a bit.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    5. Re:and no music? by ruir · · Score: 1

      I personally think Nina Simone is a terrible example ;)

    6. Re:and no music? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      i know deaf people that like music. I'll ask them what sort they like.

      Being deaf doesn't mean that you can't identify vibration, notice a beat or fail to see a performance.

    7. Re:and no music? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      No. They ask it because you are literally a freak if you don't like any kind of music. There are people who don't feel, but it is common to ask someone how they are feeling. The reason is - what for it - if they don't have any feelings then they are a freak.

      Hmm, actually, the really annoying question is "what kind of music do you listen to", as if everyone had a hobby of actively listening to music. Of course, most people are exposed to a lot of music, and they can form opinions without an active interest.

      On another note, I think my relationship with music is rather complex, and I don't like giving a brief answer consisting of this or that popular genre.

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      Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
    8. Re:and no music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you interpretate the GP saying "I actually enjoy music a lot" to mean "don't like any kind of music"? Music just isn't a central part of his life, and he is not a freak in that sense, there are plenty of others like him (myself included). There is so much more to life than music.

    9. Re:and no music? by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      I don't listen to music very much, and it always annoys me when people ask "what kind of music do you like", as if it were some basic human need like eating.

      I don't listen to music very much either, and have trouble answering that question myself. When my entire office was exploding with the twerking news and asked me if what I thought about Miley Cyrus's performance my answer was, "back up. Who's Miley Cyrus, and what performance?"

      That said, music is a basic human need like eating. If you've never listened to any song that emotionally moved you, even though you had no idea what song it was or who was playing it, you've missed out on a basic human experience. You should work to correct that, and go in search of interesting music. It doesn't mean it needs to become the most important thing in your life, it doesn't mean you need to know every popular artist and be able to enter into a conversation about music with other people. It most certainly doesn't mean you need to like the same music as other people. You just need to have that experience, at least once, of really identifying with a piece.

      Think of it this way: your brain has awesome circuitry you haven't used. It's capable of a deep emotional connection with language and sounds. You're not curious what that's like?

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      Warning: Opinions known to be heavily biased.

    10. Re:and no music? by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 1

      You don't need to have it as a hobby. Most people listen by having enjoyable music playing while doing something else, just as friends might hang out bantering while having lunch together, aware of (and taking pleasure from) both how the food tastes *and* what their friends are saying/doing. A few minutes ago, for example, I was rewriting a comment while also enjoying a particular song off Songza and remembering how much fun I had seeing the band at a small benefit concert a few years ago.

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    11. Re:and no music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >That said, music is a basic human need like eating.

      No. Life is less pleasant without music, but you won't die without it like you would without food.

      >I don't listen to music very much ...

      Your reply starts the very same way as the post you reply to, but for some reason he (but not you?) is incurious about emotionally identifying with music and has brain circuitry he isn't using.
      He -did- say he actually enjoys music a lot.

    12. Re:and no music? by AlphaWoIf_HK · · Score: 1

      No. They ask it because you are literally a freak if you don't like any kind of music.

      I suppose it is probably unusual, but there's absolutely nothing objectively wrong with not liking any sort of music.

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    13. Re:and no music? by AlphaWoIf_HK · · Score: 1

      Life is less pleasant without music

      That depends on the person.

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    14. Re:and no music? by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 1

      Xilinx.

    15. Re:and no music? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      You don't need to have it as a hobby. Most people listen by having enjoyable music playing while doing something else

      I guess at this point I should mention a lifelong interest in making music, which includes composing and producing new material. It might explain why listening to music is kind of a problem - if it's somewhere in the background, it's either too interesting or too annoying, either way it takes a lot of my attention. I also like to avoid too much listening simply to keep my own musical ideas as intact as possible. It's really a double-edged sword, I enjoy music on a lot of levels, but I also get easily annoyed and distracted by bad, unwanted music.

      For example, I can't stand working in an office where background music is playing. It's a bit like the idea of having naked women at the workplace - yes, I do enjoy watching them, but they are not exactly helping with the work. But I guess I'm generally the kind of person that really likes to focus on one thing at a time.

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    16. Re:and no music? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      There is nothing objectively wrong with being a sociopath either.

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    17. Re:and no music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that I think of it, I can think of a few areas in life where it would be actually much more pleasant without music.
      Specifically loud car music, the neighbours' music, and most of the stuff played on the street, in shops, and in pubs.

    18. Re:and no music? by AlphaWoIf_HK · · Score: 1

      No, there isn't. I just don't see the point of calling people "freaks." Homosexuals may be "freaks" in that they're a minority, but just about everyone already knows that, so why bother using such wording?

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    19. Re:and no music? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1
      Stop being afraid of words. They are just words. They have definitions. Your belief that I insulted someone is a direct consequence of your lack of understanding of the word. The word freak has a definition.

      "Homosexuals may be "freaks" in that they're a minority"

      That would be true if the word had anything to do with minorities, but it doesn't. The reason you shouldn't use the word to describe them is because it makes you sound under-educated, or to use another word that people don't understand, ignorant.

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    20. Re:and no music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being afraid of words.

      I'm not.

      They are just words. They have definitions.

      Multiple definitions, actually.

      The word freak has a definition

      Multiple, actually.

      That would be true if the word had anything to do with minorities, but it doesn't.

      The word "freak" has multiple definitions, and it can be used as an insult or to describe something odd or irregular.

      The reason you shouldn't use the word to describe them is because it makes you sound under-educated, or to use another word that people don't understand, ignorant.

      But saying that certain people are freaks because they don't like something that lots of people like doesn't make you sound under-educated? Huh...

    21. Re:and no music? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      No. It doesn't. I mean, unless of course the someone is under-educated like you are. If you read my wording I said the person was literally a freak. That means that the word can only mean what it literally means in the context of my statement. It isn't open to your ignorant interpretation.

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    22. Re:and no music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I once heard someone ask a deaf person what kind of music she liked. I was appalled, but it didn't seem to bother her a bit."

      Asking that question regards a deaf person as not being deaf, it is a compliment, in my opinion.

  9. He's a kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    He'll find the limits soon enough when he finally grows up. He'll still be playing with LEDs and wires at 40 when all his peers will be married, had sex for the last 25 years and can do far more in life.

    You never hear about teenage savant lawyers.

    1. Re:He's a kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... You never hear about teenage savant lawyers.

      Hey, you are correct -- the great Goog reports:
        No results found for "teenage savant lawyers".

    2. Re:He's a kid by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      That's weird. I got two hits.

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    3. Re:He's a kid by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      He'll find the limits soon enough when he finally grows up. He'll still be playing with LEDs and wires at 40

      ...on board of a spacecraft to Mars... :)

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    4. Re:He's a kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's weird. I got two hits.

      Nope, tried Google again (6:44 pm eastern USA time), same report, no hits. Of course there are lawyer ads above and non-quoted results below. Maybe your Google has indexed this /. conversation already?

    5. Re:He's a kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's sad that you think this is some kind of intelligent reply. Mars is a dead desert, a cold, lifeless rock. So what? A kid that throws away everything that's fun and cool about being young to play with some wires is to be pitied. It's not some sort of life goal to be in a tin can, even more isolated from the rest of humanity to go live out YOUR demented vision and your delusional sci-fi soap opera fantasies.

    6. Re:He's a kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not some sort of life goal

      And spewing ill-colored semen into some random strumpet who will proceed to spit out a bunch of mewling, puking squat beasts is?

  10. and you say H1Bs aren't good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess this goes to show all those loser American whiteys who say no Asian could their job better than them are full of shit!

  11. Re:my buddy's step-mother makes $83 an hour on the by Laxori666 · · Score: 1

    This is truly amazing! I just happen to have $14 million locked in a bank account. Unfortunately all my savings are there, and I cannot afford the bank fee to release them, which happens to be $21,619! If you could please forward me the sum I will unlock the account and give you $1 million as compensation.

  12. Kein Wunder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This Wunderkind is in for a rude shock when strong AI accelerates beyond him, never to look back.

  13. Batushig Insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He hasn't read Harry Potter ("What will I learn from that?") this is both an ignorant and arrogant statement. an intelligent individual would read the books and then say there was nothing to learn from them, yet this kid assumes there is nothing to learn from it. the fact of the matter is that one can learn something from anything, it's merely dependent on perspective. he could learn things like loyalty, courage, conviction, friendship....many life lessons that he won't learn unless he pushes himself outside of his comfort zone of academic achievement. just like he needed help from others to make his reality a possibility.

    "I want to make good things for humans."

    how can he do good things for humans if he doesn't understand humans or have perspective? but the kid isn't smart enough to figure that out. some genius.

    So you're saying he's Batushig Insane?

  14. Really bad choice of article quote by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article: 'Battushig, playing the role of the car

    Huh? What car?

    moved into the sensor's path to show me how it worked

    How what worked?

    "The use of the long wires is very inconvenient for my users,"

    Well, obviously.

    He realized that contractors would be reluctant to install the siren in other buildings

    What siren?

    TL;DR: Next time, pick a paragraph from the article that makes sense in isolation.

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    1. Re:Really bad choice of article quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but he's 16 and MIT and genius and engineering! I'm just surprised there was no Raspberry pi or 3D printer mentioned.

    2. Re:Really bad choice of article quote by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I hear he's starting a company in his garage.

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  15. Stop linking to fucking NYT articles by c5402dc53929211e1efb · · Score: 1
    Really fucking informative. Die.

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  16. welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    welcome, Aspergers. trust me on this one.

  17. Get the name right by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ulan Bator is based on a misunderstanding. The correct spelling is Ulaanbaatar.

    It means 'Red Hero' and, surprisingly, predates Communism despite its reference to the color red. The city is named for a historical character whose real name, deeds etc have been forgotten. All that it is remembered is that they were a woman.

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    1. Re:Get the name right by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Ulan Bator is the English name. The native name is Ulaanbaatar. Lots of places have English names...Lake Constance, China, Burma...the list goes on and on. If we're speaking Mongolian let's go with Ulaanbaatar, otherwise let's use the English name. How many people even know who "Chinggis" is? But mention Ghengis and everyone knows. Why? Because that's his name in English.

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    2. Re:Get the name right by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      its not exactly 'in English', its a transliteration and transliterations can be improved.

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    3. Re:Get the name right by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0
      I wouldn't call that supremely long name that I can't even remember how to type right now an "improvement". Ulan Bator rolls right off the tongue, though. English doesn't contain two a's in a row and sounds really unnatural.

      If we're going to go this route, we need to start calling other countries Zhongguo, Deutschland, and Italia, mmmkay?

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  18. Re:my buddy's step-mother makes $83 an hour on the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but your buddy's step mother is doing solo porn online with a web cam, or maybe full porn.

  19. A Supergenius? by Anarchduke · · Score: 2

    I'll believe it when he build me a hoverboard. He has 2 years.

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  20. Re:my buddy's step-mother makes $83 an hour on the by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    That is truly heartbreaking. I tell you what. My best friend is the minister of finance in texas. we could get you the 21000 easily, but we need first the money to purchase a fack identity card to get past the security protocols. For your security in this matter, just send me 500 dollars using a prepaid visa card and we will implement our plan. Then we can send you your money and we will all be rich.

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  21. Onwardz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After reading that article, I feel there's so much hope and that I can do any... pffft thing.

  22. How can one be proud of a lack of interest ? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    IMHO, a true genius never dismiss things. Not reading Harry Potter is OK if the reason is "yeah, I may take a look later, but I have to finish this..." but saying "what will I learn from that ?" as a rhetorical question is a bit close minded.
    After all, there *must* be something to learn from a book that made its author a billionaire, even if it is not evident at first.

  23. Re:my buddy's step-mother makes $83 an hour on the by Laxori666 · · Score: 1

    I would love to help you implement this plan, and I happen to have a $500 prepaid visa card already! Unfortunately I have not used it in months and there is a re-activation fee of $20 which I cannot currently afford. Kindly wire me $20, at which point I will unlock the card and send it to you. Then you can use the card to make the fake identity and send me $21,619, which I will then use to gain access to the $14 MILLION (USD), at which point I will send you $1 MILLION (USD) for your kindnesses.

  24. Re:my buddy's step-mother makes $83 an hour on the by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    I would be gladly to help with you this plan. But even as I have the $20(USD) for you, if you could PayPal me the $3(USD) fee I would send you teh moneys so we both will be rich. Just click the PayPal link here and we can get started www.paypal.alkdfjinadsf.ru

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