A lot of those warnings can be reset without any tool, for example to reset my oil life monitor I push the button under it a couple times and get a message that says "oil life reset" at which point I hold the same button in for 5-10 seconds. Other systems can be much less obvious but read through the owners manual, it's often buried in there.
The path of least resistance is not SVG. It's a very promising standard, and programs like Inkscape have done wonders with it (and so has KDE), but in browser-land there are simpler solutions that are more widely supported.
So are you trying to say that it's easier to get IE to implement canvas? Or are you trying to say that it's not worth implementing the rest of SVG in the browsers that support it?
Yes, SVG needs to be in tools that target graphics designers, like Illustrator and Inkscape. And I guess, by your logic, those apps need to support canvas too.
Canvas is a simple API for drawing to a space on a web page. That definitely fills some needs. SVG fills some needs too. There is overlap. There's also overlap between plain text and html, nobody's saying we should get rid of one in favour of the other.
As for the size of the spec, that happens as a specification matures. Have you looked at the size of html5? SVG provides a lot of features, there are some common subsets that can be relied on today across numerous platforms. It would be nice if every implementation had all the features, but we can say the same thing about CSS or any number of other standards. Like an alpha channel in PNGs...
The viewer uses Canvas, which is pretty cool, but... if you're doing scaling and panning through a document and are okay with using new technologies then I wonder why they didn't build parts of it with SVG (since that's a way to do zooming & panning pretty naturally).
I don't have much experience with canvas yet, anyone have input?
I wouldn't call PDF an open format. It's well-documented, yes, but is controlled by Adobe.
Sorry if it sounds pedantic but they have made changes to the format over the years that harm preservation of data, like mechanisms for DRM and certain uses of a document through their reader.
If I'm not mistaken, there are cases where people send things to a celebrity to be signed and get it back with a video of the signing. Can't think of where I heard this so I don't have a reference.
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I've used CakePHP (1.2 beta) and Drupal (4,5 and 6) but Drupal more recently. I like both very much. If I were building a site with the features you describe I'd go with Drupal. Either way you've got a lot of learning ahead of you but at least with Drupal, if you get it right, you'll have the benefit of piles of modules that are already tested and other people who are familiar with them. CakePHP can get you just as far but in my experience you're doing a deeper pile of custom code.
There are at least a couple of popular shopping carts for Drupal. I'm building a simple Ubercart site.
The other popular contrib modules you're almost sure to run in to are Views and CCK. You'll want to get some screencasts or podcasts to get familiar with those (Lullabot does some good ones - they're also the authors of this book).
I've been doing a lot with Views lately and a little with CCK. There's a pile of stuff you can do with very little custom code in the right places. It just takes a lot of effort to learn what works well together.
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Same as the authors of Drupal. Story is that it all started when Dries tried to register Dorp.org (dutch for "community" afaik) and got drop.org instead. Somehow that eventually turned into Drupal as a play on druppel, Dutch for "drop" or "rain drop" or sth. That's also why the logo is a rain drop.
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I've never seen any hints of intentional obscurity. It's just a matter of having thousands of users and contributers. Some are going to talk a lot about what they do, some expect you to step through the code if you want to figure it out. There's a lot of code and documentation to wade through and nobody to hold your hand.
It definitely is getting to be a big complicated project though. When you give it the second glance, be sure to talk about what you do - help reduce the obscurity.
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The core Drupal download is good for a brochure site but it powers some massive sites. It runs my current site, integrated with Gallery 2. I used to like Wordpress but my site outgrew it.
I've been using Drupal off and on since 4.7. In version 6 I've really gone into it and am building a couple large sites with it. I'm using a pile of contrib modules and they integrate very well together. The Views module and the theming system have minimized the amount of custom PHP I have to write.
The learning curve is very steep and it has historically been hard to find the "right" pieces on drupal.org but that is improving steadily. I think the difficulty with finding the right (and current) info is a reason that people come away with the impression you've got.
When the kids here want to go to facebook (or more likely runescape) on one of several computers in the house where it's not bookmarked, I've taught them to just google it - using the search box next to the address bar.
This is to prevent typos.
It applies doubly so to the flash game site of the week where neither they nor I am sure of the correct domain name.
Pretty sure that ass raping has never been recognized as a remedy for breach of contract. As a matter of fact people very often modify the written terms of a contract through their actions. The original terms of the contract are then not easily enforceable.
This is exactly the point of my original reply: to support the Mozilla idea that this shouldn't be reported on as though it's a completed product. From one of the links I provided earlier:
Warning: This is NOT A FINAL OR PRE-RELEASE VERSION.
This program is provided without any guarantees of stability, so please use it at your own risk.
[emphasis theirs]
So: no, it's not stable. It's a nightly build. Neither of the links you provided mention the term "minefield."
No, it's not stable. It's a nightly build. Nightlies can have major changes that will destroy data and corrupt your profile. When it comes to the Release Candidate stage then there shouldn't be any destructive bugs left.
"Minefield" isn't a new browser, as has been repeatedly mentioned here. It's the tag given to nightly builds of Firefox so that people will know it's not stable.
Don't cry when it eats your data. Nightlies can have major changes that will destroy data and corrupt your profile. When it comes to the Release Candidate stage then there shouldn't be any destructive bugs left.
ffs. This story has been making the rounds about "Firefox Minefield" being an awesome browser. Well the next release of Firefox may be awesome, but this is a nightly build that was given the name Minefield so people might get the idea that, as the parent pointed out, it's unstable.
There's something to be said for having a bunch of other people crowing about every little feature of the device you've bought. I love my Nokia e51 but I have to poke around to figure stuff out too. With the iPhone, everyone and their brother wants to show it off so you hear about features before you go looking for them. I guess those of us without a marketing bullhorn have to spend more time rtfm.
Of course the N96 could also be unimpressive, I'm willing to believe that a company can make products some people like and ones that others don't (resisting fanboy claims here).
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A lot of those warnings can be reset without any tool, for example to reset my oil life monitor I push the button under it a couple times and get a message that says "oil life reset" at which point I hold the same button in for 5-10 seconds. Other systems can be much less obvious but read through the owners manual, it's often buried in there.
The path of least resistance is not SVG. It's a very promising standard, and programs like Inkscape have done wonders with it (and so has KDE), but in browser-land there are simpler solutions that are more widely supported.
So are you trying to say that it's easier to get IE to implement canvas? Or are you trying to say that it's not worth implementing the rest of SVG in the browsers that support it?
Yes, SVG needs to be in tools that target graphics designers, like Illustrator and Inkscape. And I guess, by your logic, those apps need to support canvas too.
Canvas is a simple API for drawing to a space on a web page. That definitely fills some needs. SVG fills some needs too. There is overlap. There's also overlap between plain text and html, nobody's saying we should get rid of one in favour of the other.
As for the size of the spec, that happens as a specification matures. Have you looked at the size of html5? SVG provides a lot of features, there are some common subsets that can be relied on today across numerous platforms. It would be nice if every implementation had all the features, but we can say the same thing about CSS or any number of other standards. Like an alpha channel in PNGs...
hehe, if only it were so simple. I miss the days when all a virus wanted to do was delete everything on your hard drive.
The viewer uses Canvas, which is pretty cool, but... if you're doing scaling and panning through a document and are okay with using new technologies then I wonder why they didn't build parts of it with SVG (since that's a way to do zooming & panning pretty naturally).
I don't have much experience with canvas yet, anyone have input?
I wouldn't call PDF an open format. It's well-documented, yes, but is controlled by Adobe.
Sorry if it sounds pedantic but they have made changes to the format over the years that harm preservation of data, like mechanisms for DRM and certain uses of a document through their reader.
If I'm not mistaken, there are cases where people send things to a celebrity to be signed and get it back with a video of the signing. Can't think of where I heard this so I don't have a reference.
I've used CakePHP (1.2 beta) and Drupal (4,5 and 6) but Drupal more recently. I like both very much. If I were building a site with the features you describe I'd go with Drupal. Either way you've got a lot of learning ahead of you but at least with Drupal, if you get it right, you'll have the benefit of piles of modules that are already tested and other people who are familiar with them. CakePHP can get you just as far but in my experience you're doing a deeper pile of custom code.
There are at least a couple of popular shopping carts for Drupal. I'm building a simple Ubercart site.
The other popular contrib modules you're almost sure to run in to are Views and CCK. You'll want to get some screencasts or podcasts to get familiar with those (Lullabot does some good ones - they're also the authors of this book).
I've been doing a lot with Views lately and a little with CCK. There's a pile of stuff you can do with very little custom code in the right places. It just takes a lot of effort to learn what works well together.
Same as the authors of Drupal. Story is that it all started when Dries tried to register Dorp.org (dutch for "community" afaik) and got drop.org instead. Somehow that eventually turned into Drupal as a play on druppel, Dutch for "drop" or "rain drop" or sth. That's also why the logo is a rain drop.
I've never seen any hints of intentional obscurity. It's just a matter of having thousands of users and contributers. Some are going to talk a lot about what they do, some expect you to step through the code if you want to figure it out. There's a lot of code and documentation to wade through and nobody to hold your hand.
It definitely is getting to be a big complicated project though. When you give it the second glance, be sure to talk about what you do - help reduce the obscurity.
The core Drupal download is good for a brochure site but it powers some massive sites. It runs my current site, integrated with Gallery 2. I used to like Wordpress but my site outgrew it.
I've been using Drupal off and on since 4.7. In version 6 I've really gone into it and am building a couple large sites with it. I'm using a pile of contrib modules and they integrate very well together. The Views module and the theming system have minimized the amount of custom PHP I have to write.
The learning curve is very steep and it has historically been hard to find the "right" pieces on drupal.org but that is improving steadily. I think the difficulty with finding the right (and current) info is a reason that people come away with the impression you've got.
I got 6 minutes in then stabbed myself in the eye. But yeah, cute.
Sorry but wtf are people doing on Mount Everest that's so important?
To use your metaphor, there's been a lot of sending people up Mount Everest while someone in a wheelchair can't get around at work.
When the kids here want to go to facebook (or more likely runescape) on one of several computers in the house where it's not bookmarked, I've taught them to just google it - using the search box next to the address bar.
This is to prevent typos.
It applies doubly so to the flash game site of the week where neither they nor I am sure of the correct domain name.
Anybody tried dimdim?
I get the feeling from the wording on the download page ( http://www.dimdim.com/opensource/dimdim_open_source_community_edition.html ) that they're not that interested in talking about the "Open Source Community Edition."
Holy shit! 50g for a port? I'm seriously undercharging. I do it for tips - got 9G once tho.
Pretty sure that ass raping has never been recognized as a remedy for breach of contract. As a matter of fact people very often modify the written terms of a contract through their actions. The original terms of the contract are then not easily enforceable.
See Automatic Goblin Therapist.
It's an add-on for WoW that acts like Eliza in reply to chat from other players. The download page also has some "best-of" conversations.
that'd be
load "*"
and I can't print what the shortform looked like here
Warning: This is NOT A FINAL OR PRE-RELEASE VERSION. This program is provided without any guarantees of stability, so please use it at your own risk. [emphasis theirs]
So: no, it's not stable. It's a nightly build. Neither of the links you provided mention the term "minefield."
yeah that's what i meant, i should have said "this is a nightly build and nightlies are given the name Minefield"
Minefield. Not a beta. A nightly build.
Firefox Betas.
The link in the summary goes to Minefield. Not the beta. Minefield is, by definition, not stable.
No, it's not stable. It's a nightly build. Nightlies can have major changes that will destroy data and corrupt your profile. When it comes to the Release Candidate stage then there shouldn't be any destructive bugs left.
"Minefield" isn't a new browser, as has been repeatedly mentioned here. It's the tag given to nightly builds of Firefox so that people will know it's not stable.
Don't cry when it eats your data. Nightlies can have major changes that will destroy data and corrupt your profile. When it comes to the Release Candidate stage then there shouldn't be any destructive bugs left.
ffs. This story has been making the rounds about "Firefox Minefield" being an awesome browser. Well the next release of Firefox may be awesome, but this is a nightly build that was given the name Minefield so people might get the idea that, as the parent pointed out, it's unstable.
There's something to be said for having a bunch of other people crowing about every little feature of the device you've bought. I love my Nokia e51 but I have to poke around to figure stuff out too. With the iPhone, everyone and their brother wants to show it off so you hear about features before you go looking for them. I guess those of us without a marketing bullhorn have to spend more time rtfm.
Of course the N96 could also be unimpressive, I'm willing to believe that a company can make products some people like and ones that others don't (resisting fanboy claims here).