I'm curious. What should the company have done, in your opinion? Operating at a deficit is usually not an option for most companies (unfortunately, governments seem to think it's the norm, heh).
except by stuffing CDs down your pants at the store
That's stealing CDs, not music.
I guess I also can't steal "code" either. What would you call me if I... broke the licensing code for Apache or something like that? or Linux? GPLv[whatever it is]. Not only broke it but claimed it was actually mine, made a proprietary product out of it, and sold it.
It's not stealing. The "open source" code is published.
... IMO, I call it "stealing." Loosely termed, sure, but I would colloquially refer to it as stealing. Ok, so maybe it's a licensing issue and not a physical break-and-enter sort of theft, but it's not giving someone something due to them by me using something they produced.
Is it really necessary to have 8 years of education to become the equivalent of an organic engineer (doctor)? No.
Ummm... says who? Personally, I like the idea of having my doctor know what he's talking about. Not just "Oh, I saw this done once," but actually be able to explain to me what muscles he's going to be working on, what they have to do with my eye, why the curvature of the lens is important, etc. There's a ton of information there. And it's not like you can section one part of the body off, it's very helpful to know about the entire thing.
But hey, if you want undereducated doctors, feel free to go to surgeons in another part of the world. Hospitals and American-educated (and Indian, to some extent, I guess) doctors frequently complain about foreign-educated doctors. They don't know as much, they are somewhat careless, and their English is hard to understand (hehe). No, not a slam against all non-Americans... but I think American medical education is very good. Costly? Yup. But very good. Which is why every rich person in the world goes to an American university to get care. Ok, over-generalization, but....
Medical education is a huge deal. And I'm willing to pay for a perhaps over-qualified doctor.
Otherwise you get a double standard. Yeah, you can solder and debug a circuit card... but what if that circuit card was irreplaceable and if you messed up your soldering you would die on the spot. Do you think you'd like to have a qualified, if not MASSIVELY OVERQUALIFIED person do it? And pay extra for it? Or would you still go out and hire the cheapest guy who can say "Oh yeah, I've been soldering for years now. So, what does this circuit board do, again? Why can't you just get a new one?"
Not a direct analogy, but seriously... when you are touching my eyes, my hearts, my lungs, my kidneys... I want you to be pretty qualified, educated, and skilled. And I'm willing to pay extra for that.
So you think the legal citizenship should pay for the illegals' health care?
Well, democratically, sure. But the current Congress is not interested in what the American people want, it seems.
Anyways, illegals can already get health care, and do, by going to the ER. For minor things, too. OK, so we should figure out what to do with their health care - and with them in general. But not in a sweeping 2000 page bill that nobody has read and is filled with grants to individual lawmakers to buy their vote. That's ridiculous.
And taking a presumed broken system and replacing it with a KNOWN broken system (i.e., the system currently running Medicare) is stupid.
But we know what the people pushing for this want: they want a single-payer system, they don't like insurance companies. They have stated that again and again. This is just a first step for them.
I've asked in other posts but I'll ask again... how should research money/pay/whatever get given out, though? It seems there has to be some sort of merit/demand based dispensing of funds. Not every research project, no matter if an individual loves it or not, seems as worth it as every other one...
Corporations don't have as much of a problem with this, as they can weigh it directly to how much they could possibly get with the research in question. But if it's the government dispensing these funds.. well, we all know how unbiased and non-pork/ear-marked the government and education system is;)
I displayed my ignorance of post-doc compensation, then. No, you shouldn't be paid less because it's a job you like, but getting paid less because it's a job that does not have much of a demand is OK with me. If it's basically considered a full time job... agreed, it should make an "educated" full time job's wages. But I think it would have to depend on the area of research, too... unless our entire system of "worth" changes, I don't see why - using my chosen field as an example - research in music (or music history) should get paid as much as research on... biotech or something. Frankly, music history is not that important. But I am not really sure how the current system decides on what is worth more and thus gets paid more... maybe you could answer that, I'm totally in the dark on that one:)
It does? I do what I somewhat like as my day job and am able to afford a hobby of what I really love. I'm actually happy with that. Sure, I'd rather teach what I love (music) while doing it, but that's a dream job, and I realize not everyone can do their dream job.
Commercial airline pilots can't do what they like doing? And that's because of capitalism?
None taken. I don't agree with the red herring statement. What I'm saying, though, is that how much someone is paid is not the only decision... and when it comes to pre-doc research, full tuition plus a stipend isn't too bad. Post-doc I'm not so sure about, to be honest. I know in some fields, the company you work for will pay for it. I am not sure how much of it should be tax-payer funded until we get an efficient way (read: don't give all the money to political-agenda-ized "research") of dispersing the grants. It seems a lot of grants go to ridiculous research as it is..
As for the $37k, that's low. I agree. I don't think it should be much higher than what you'd get doing any other given "tech" job. Also, though, I wonder how... hm, free market/capitalism comes in here? For example, IBM pays differently than Microsoft. Apple pays differently. Shouldn't "government"/research jobs pay differently, as well? Even based on demand?
Of course, I've had people tell me flat to my face that they'd love this to happen because "then only people who really want to be doctors would do medicine, cause there'd be no money in it".
Stupid. Not to mention doctor fees go to pay nurses, administrative staff, pathologist/lab fees, etc. It's not like your [insert specialist] does everything himself and keeps all the fees. And it will especially hit the Medicare docs (the ones that specialize in problems that happen to the elderly, heh). It's stupid, IMO. And the idea that the same organization that is running a bankrupt and rather failing Medicare system is going to be able to efficiently run health care as a whole...
Except Windows Vista and 7 have changed enough that Grandma doesn't know it anymore. I put my mother (grandma in her own right) in front of KDE and OpenOffice. She was able to figure out KDE just fine. And she thought OpenOffice was MS Office, even though I told her it was different.
OpenOffice, unless you need to do powerpoint stuff (and, as I recall people saying, if you have Excel macros), is really good and has come a long way. A lot of people that I know, adept or not at computer usage, use it with no problems at all. I can recommend it without reservation to random people that don't want to spend the $300 or whatever it is for Office. I do like MS Office still, it seems very polished still - but OpenOffice.org is shaping up to be a very good product and already is.
KDE, though... I've had really, really mixed results with that one. Sometimes it works fine, some people fine gnome a little easier, and I've had people get completely confused with it... and not with Windows 7 (they were used to XP). In fact, with two test subjects (hehe), I went from Windows XP to openSuSE (KDE) to Ubuntu (gnome) to Windows 7. Windows 7 has actually booted faster (old Athlon x64... 3500+ or something like that, with ~1gb RAM) and worked better with all peripherals. And hasn't frozen - Ubuntu was actually freezing occasionally, which I was surprised at - probably hardware related though.
All that to say... the desktop environment "Grandma friendliness" is still a toss-up, in my mind, between the latest Windows, gnome, and KDE. I personally would put Windows and Gnome at a tie and KDE second... I liked gnome better than KDE for the most part, but actually work more efficiently with Windows than Gnome. May just be I know the keyboard shortcuts way better:)
Chrome is different enough that no one will confuse it with Windows, but if you can figure out a web browser, you can figure out Chrome.
That's a big if. Most people have no clue what a file is or a folder is, let alone a filesystem. Most people don't know that a browser is really just a program that requests/displays information from their network connection. I suppose if they really thought about it, they might arrive at that conclusion. But if you now tell them, after they got USED to OpenOffice.org/MS Office, that their documents are all Google documents ("what? what if it's a Microsoft Word document?"...) and you need to type that in the address bar or.. whatever...
The demos of Chrome do show shortcuts for pulling up Yahoo Mail and Hotmail as well. So I'm sure they're working to make sure other web apps work as well. Though non-HTML 5 apps won't support drag and drop, and such.
IMO, this sounds great for something like a netbook. I'm really, really uncertain about the putting this on a desktop system... the question being "why":)
But I guess it's good they're doing it. I'm fine if it works for people. Coolness. I hope it doesn't encourage a "under-functional" thinking of Linux though, too.
That sounds vaguely, vaguely familiar. But I've always been on x86 (and Windows/Linux), so I wouldn't know. Interesting stuff though, thanks for the reply to a comic post:)
Doing software testing for a living, I think they'd be surprised. Testing video games actually, to me, no longer sounds fun. I like playing games for fun and being immersed in the story line(s), the character, etc. Running testcases on the game? Meh. There are very few, from what I understand, paid beta testers. A lot of software testing goes on before a beta comes out. But I doubt anyone has told kids that.
Plus, who would want to play an FPS for years... especially if it was one map or something... man that would be boring. I'd rather program it than test it...
Plus they had a set of World Book Encyclopedias. I was always re-readings those.
I did, too. And they didn't have a discussion page like wikipedia;)
Seriously, though... it's true. Kids today appear to be interested primarily in wast^H^H^H^Hspending their time playing Halo 3 or CoD... they aren't even curious about how the game works, let alone curious about "boring science" stuff. I grew up more similar to how you described. Scientific-ish family, there were random books that were pretty interesting to read if you were "taught" to be curious about things and ask questions. If you were taught that life was being a vegetable in front of your favorite entertainment - computer games, TV, movies, or what - why would you want to "waste" your time being curious about condensation instead of gaining valuable xbox points(!!!1).
It seems that "entertainment" has begun to replace curiosity. As long as we're entertained, we don't care about intellectual stimulus, don't ask about how things work. Just "eat."
And even our entertainment seems to be going that direction. Seems that stories about respectful human beings working hard in life just isn't "fun to watch" anymore. They'd rather watch J. Lopez fall down.
But aren't you doing something you like doing in that research? And get something like free room and board? Or something like that?
And do you have to TA? If I were do do a music thing, I'd have to TA to get my stipend, and the stipend is not $40k.
IMO, I don't see how anyone could complain too much about getting $25k a year for doing something you presumably love doing and not having to do anything else (like "work" for your living. I work for my living and do what I *love* doing in the evening in my "free" time. I make more than $25k a year, of course, but I have to pay for room, board, and my hobby, too).
Not saying it couldn't be improved; I'm saying it's not as bad as nothing.
Hamstringing doctors/nurses pay... not to mention biomedical research because of taxing the biomedical businesses who make their living researching and selling their tech... somehow we're going to tax them to pay for better health care and... erg, don't get me started in that one. Sure, maybe reform is in order, but not haphazard un-thought-out ridiculous reform from a bunch of politicians who mostly inherited fortunes from their families and have barely had to work for anything in their life. No, I'm not just talking about Democrats. That was a bipartisan critique:)
Might I add... convincing [our children] that it's not acting black, either? Or macho, or whatever the Asian equivalent is. There's a lot of white kids that think acting black is cool now. And frankly, it seems that "acting white" or "acting black" typically means "irresponsible, stupid, and act-like-don't-care-about-anyone-or-anything"
You earn it through hard work.
Most of the politicians currently in Washington didn't. I wonder if that has something to do with the stupid legislation?
They have this tv mentality that nothing should be hard. Pride in self.
Very, very true. The "feed me, I deserve it" mentality. Don't-have-to-work-for-anything. How-dare-they-ban-me-from-xbox-live. Where's-my-iPhone-dad?
It seems to me that there's also a significant worldview issue going on, too. People don't care about each other... at all, it seems. Which is why you can have gang rapes that people watch and nobody cares enough about the victim more than they care about their own "snitch" status. No one is willing to take a risk to help someone else. Ok, not "no one," but you get the idea. It seems that the self-centered look-out-for-number-one... perhaps Freudian philosophy is not doing so well for "humanity." Not to mention passing the blame to anyone and everyone else but yourself ("you're a good person, so we know you didn't do this out of yourself, is there something in your past that made you do it?" or pleading temporary insanity... etc...)
All the web apps are using Gears, which caches everything for offline use. So all the apps will be usable offline. Your data is stored in the cloud, but also cached to the SSD. So it isn't fair to say it doesn't function offline.
A thick thin client. I guess it might have it's uses, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to try to push onto normal desktop systems...
Passing the Grandma test is important. Put Grandma (even if she knows XP) in front of 7 and Chrome. See which one she prefers.
I agree, the Grandma test is important. I'm not sure which they would prefer. But I wasn't aware Google was trying to produce GrandmaOS.:)
Moblin has a new UI, and people aren't saying Moblin doesn't count as Linux. Embedded Linux still counts as Linux.
Good point on the embedded part.
This is more than a thin client, since a thin client can't be used offline. And apparently it is a bit of a misnomer to say you can't install other apps, since they installed the Phoronix test suite.
I'm still not sure - and apparently not many are - about whether it's actually a thin client or not. If you could use it like a normal, for lack of a better word, thick client, then I'd be much more interested.
I guess Gears works at any rate, but that strikes me as a hack. For example, you can't attach something to an e-mail in gmail's offline mode. If the functionality is significantly limited if in "offline" mode, then I'd still consider it a... glorified thin client.
So basically no offline (relatively speaking) functionality and can boot in 3 seconds. Yay?
It boasts a new UI.
Yes, it looks like Chrome.
It will bring Linux to the masses.
Not really. I would barely call this Linux. I guess it uses a Linux kernel, but it has little similarities past that, as far as I can tell. I know, Linux == Kernel, but...
I really don't see much of a threat at all right now. It's a huge push for thin-client. Not everyone wants a thin client. I wouldn't want a thin client, even on a netbook, since I don't have internet access everywhere.
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I only have one heart. Just thought I'd clarify that.
You should live by Darwinian rules.
And why should Darwin get to make the rules?
I'm curious. What should the company have done, in your opinion? Operating at a deficit is usually not an option for most companies (unfortunately, governments seem to think it's the norm, heh).
That's not the real world, that's the politician's world. Unfortunately, there's a difference now.
except by stuffing CDs down your pants at the store
That's stealing CDs, not music.
I guess I also can't steal "code" either. What would you call me if I ... broke the licensing code for Apache or something like that? or Linux? GPLv[whatever it is]. Not only broke it but claimed it was actually mine, made a proprietary product out of it, and sold it.
It's not stealing. The "open source" code is published.
... IMO, I call it "stealing." Loosely termed, sure, but I would colloquially refer to it as stealing. Ok, so maybe it's a licensing issue and not a physical break-and-enter sort of theft, but it's not giving someone something due to them by me using something they produced.
Is it really necessary to have 8 years of education to become the equivalent of an organic engineer (doctor)? No.
Ummm... says who? Personally, I like the idea of having my doctor know what he's talking about. Not just "Oh, I saw this done once," but actually be able to explain to me what muscles he's going to be working on, what they have to do with my eye, why the curvature of the lens is important, etc. There's a ton of information there. And it's not like you can section one part of the body off, it's very helpful to know about the entire thing.
But hey, if you want undereducated doctors, feel free to go to surgeons in another part of the world. Hospitals and American-educated (and Indian, to some extent, I guess) doctors frequently complain about foreign-educated doctors. They don't know as much, they are somewhat careless, and their English is hard to understand (hehe). No, not a slam against all non-Americans... but I think American medical education is very good. Costly? Yup. But very good. Which is why every rich person in the world goes to an American university to get care. Ok, over-generalization, but ....
Medical education is a huge deal. And I'm willing to pay for a perhaps over-qualified doctor.
Otherwise you get a double standard. Yeah, you can solder and debug a circuit card... but what if that circuit card was irreplaceable and if you messed up your soldering you would die on the spot. Do you think you'd like to have a qualified, if not MASSIVELY OVERQUALIFIED person do it? And pay extra for it? Or would you still go out and hire the cheapest guy who can say "Oh yeah, I've been soldering for years now. So, what does this circuit board do, again? Why can't you just get a new one?"
Not a direct analogy, but seriously... when you are touching my eyes, my hearts, my lungs, my kidneys... I want you to be pretty qualified, educated, and skilled. And I'm willing to pay extra for that.
So you think the legal citizenship should pay for the illegals' health care?
Well, democratically, sure. But the current Congress is not interested in what the American people want, it seems.
Anyways, illegals can already get health care, and do, by going to the ER. For minor things, too. OK, so we should figure out what to do with their health care - and with them in general. But not in a sweeping 2000 page bill that nobody has read and is filled with grants to individual lawmakers to buy their vote. That's ridiculous.
And taking a presumed broken system and replacing it with a KNOWN broken system (i.e., the system currently running Medicare) is stupid.
But we know what the people pushing for this want: they want a single-payer system, they don't like insurance companies. They have stated that again and again. This is just a first step for them.
Art is there if you have your eyes open.
Or ears.
Of course, given most of the pop music, I wander around with my ears (and eyes) closed for the most part. :P
Point taken. Would mark insightful if I could.
I've asked in other posts but I'll ask again... how should research money/pay/whatever get given out, though? It seems there has to be some sort of merit/demand based dispensing of funds. Not every research project, no matter if an individual loves it or not, seems as worth it as every other one...
Corporations don't have as much of a problem with this, as they can weigh it directly to how much they could possibly get with the research in question. But if it's the government dispensing these funds.. well, we all know how unbiased and non-pork/ear-marked the government and education system is ;)
I displayed my ignorance of post-doc compensation, then. No, you shouldn't be paid less because it's a job you like, but getting paid less because it's a job that does not have much of a demand is OK with me. If it's basically considered a full time job ... agreed, it should make an "educated" full time job's wages. But I think it would have to depend on the area of research, too... unless our entire system of "worth" changes, I don't see why - using my chosen field as an example - research in music (or music history) should get paid as much as research on ... biotech or something. Frankly, music history is not that important. But I am not really sure how the current system decides on what is worth more and thus gets paid more... maybe you could answer that, I'm totally in the dark on that one :)
It does? I do what I somewhat like as my day job and am able to afford a hobby of what I really love. I'm actually happy with that. Sure, I'd rather teach what I love (music) while doing it, but that's a dream job, and I realize not everyone can do their dream job.
Commercial airline pilots can't do what they like doing? And that's because of capitalism?
None taken. I don't agree with the red herring statement. What I'm saying, though, is that how much someone is paid is not the only decision... and when it comes to pre-doc research, full tuition plus a stipend isn't too bad. Post-doc I'm not so sure about, to be honest. I know in some fields, the company you work for will pay for it. I am not sure how much of it should be tax-payer funded until we get an efficient way (read: don't give all the money to political-agenda-ized "research") of dispersing the grants. It seems a lot of grants go to ridiculous research as it is..
As for the $37k, that's low. I agree. I don't think it should be much higher than what you'd get doing any other given "tech" job. Also, though, I wonder how ... hm, free market/capitalism comes in here? For example, IBM pays differently than Microsoft. Apple pays differently. Shouldn't "government"/research jobs pay differently, as well? Even based on demand?
Of course, I've had people tell me flat to my face that they'd love this to happen because "then only people who really want to be doctors would do medicine, cause there'd be no money in it".
Stupid. Not to mention doctor fees go to pay nurses, administrative staff, pathologist/lab fees, etc. It's not like your [insert specialist] does everything himself and keeps all the fees. And it will especially hit the Medicare docs (the ones that specialize in problems that happen to the elderly, heh). It's stupid, IMO. And the idea that the same organization that is running a bankrupt and rather failing Medicare system is going to be able to efficiently run health care as a whole...
... better go check my blood pressure. ;)
Except Windows Vista and 7 have changed enough that Grandma doesn't know it anymore. I put my mother (grandma in her own right) in front of KDE and OpenOffice. She was able to figure out KDE just fine. And she thought OpenOffice was MS Office, even though I told her it was different.
OpenOffice, unless you need to do powerpoint stuff (and, as I recall people saying, if you have Excel macros), is really good and has come a long way. A lot of people that I know, adept or not at computer usage, use it with no problems at all. I can recommend it without reservation to random people that don't want to spend the $300 or whatever it is for Office. I do like MS Office still, it seems very polished still - but OpenOffice.org is shaping up to be a very good product and already is.
KDE, though... I've had really, really mixed results with that one. Sometimes it works fine, some people fine gnome a little easier, and I've had people get completely confused with it... and not with Windows 7 (they were used to XP). In fact, with two test subjects (hehe), I went from Windows XP to openSuSE (KDE) to Ubuntu (gnome) to Windows 7. Windows 7 has actually booted faster (old Athlon x64 ... 3500+ or something like that, with ~1gb RAM) and worked better with all peripherals. And hasn't frozen - Ubuntu was actually freezing occasionally, which I was surprised at - probably hardware related though.
All that to say ... the desktop environment "Grandma friendliness" is still a toss-up, in my mind, between the latest Windows, gnome, and KDE. I personally would put Windows and Gnome at a tie and KDE second... I liked gnome better than KDE for the most part, but actually work more efficiently with Windows than Gnome. May just be I know the keyboard shortcuts way better :)
Chrome is different enough that no one will confuse it with Windows, but if you can figure out a web browser, you can figure out Chrome.
That's a big if. Most people have no clue what a file is or a folder is, let alone a filesystem. Most people don't know that a browser is really just a program that requests/displays information from their network connection. I suppose if they really thought about it, they might arrive at that conclusion. But if you now tell them, after they got USED to OpenOffice.org/MS Office, that their documents are all Google documents ("what? what if it's a Microsoft Word document?" ...) and you need to type that in the address bar or .. whatever ...
The demos of Chrome do show shortcuts for pulling up Yahoo Mail and Hotmail as well. So I'm sure they're working to make sure other web apps work as well. Though non-HTML 5 apps won't support drag and drop, and such.
IMO, this sounds great for something like a netbook. I'm really, really uncertain about the putting this on a desktop system... the question being "why" :)
But I guess it's good they're doing it. I'm fine if it works for people. Coolness. I hope it doesn't encourage a "under-functional" thinking of Linux though, too.
That sounds vaguely, vaguely familiar. But I've always been on x86 (and Windows/Linux), so I wouldn't know. Interesting stuff though, thanks for the reply to a comic post :)
Only suckers do science right now.
And people that actually love it.
It'd be nice to reward that category before rewarding people that just want to make money and don't care about the field.
Doing software testing for a living, I think they'd be surprised. Testing video games actually, to me, no longer sounds fun. I like playing games for fun and being immersed in the story line(s), the character, etc. Running testcases on the game? Meh. There are very few, from what I understand, paid beta testers. A lot of software testing goes on before a beta comes out. But I doubt anyone has told kids that.
Plus, who would want to play an FPS for years... especially if it was one map or something... man that would be boring. I'd rather program it than test it...
Plus they had a set of World Book Encyclopedias. I was always re-readings those.
I did, too. And they didn't have a discussion page like wikipedia ;)
Seriously, though... it's true. Kids today appear to be interested primarily in wast^H^H^H^Hspending their time playing Halo 3 or CoD... they aren't even curious about how the game works, let alone curious about "boring science" stuff. I grew up more similar to how you described. Scientific-ish family, there were random books that were pretty interesting to read if you were "taught" to be curious about things and ask questions. If you were taught that life was being a vegetable in front of your favorite entertainment - computer games, TV, movies, or what - why would you want to "waste" your time being curious about condensation instead of gaining valuable xbox points(!!!1).
It seems that "entertainment" has begun to replace curiosity. As long as we're entertained, we don't care about intellectual stimulus, don't ask about how things work. Just "eat."
And even our entertainment seems to be going that direction. Seems that stories about respectful human beings working hard in life just isn't "fun to watch" anymore. They'd rather watch J. Lopez fall down.
But aren't you doing something you like doing in that research? And get something like free room and board? Or something like that?
And do you have to TA? If I were do do a music thing, I'd have to TA to get my stipend, and the stipend is not $40k.
IMO, I don't see how anyone could complain too much about getting $25k a year for doing something you presumably love doing and not having to do anything else (like "work" for your living. I work for my living and do what I *love* doing in the evening in my "free" time. I make more than $25k a year, of course, but I have to pay for room, board, and my hobby, too).
Not saying it couldn't be improved; I'm saying it's not as bad as nothing.
Hamstringing doctors/nurses pay... not to mention biomedical research because of taxing the biomedical businesses who make their living researching and selling their tech ... somehow we're going to tax them to pay for better health care and ... erg, don't get me started in that one. Sure, maybe reform is in order, but not haphazard un-thought-out ridiculous reform from a bunch of politicians who mostly inherited fortunes from their families and have barely had to work for anything in their life. No, I'm not just talking about Democrats. That was a bipartisan critique :)
convincing her child that its not acting white
Might I add... convincing [our children] that it's not acting black, either? Or macho, or whatever the Asian equivalent is. There's a lot of white kids that think acting black is cool now. And frankly, it seems that "acting white" or "acting black" typically means "irresponsible, stupid, and act-like-don't-care-about-anyone-or-anything"
You earn it through hard work.
Most of the politicians currently in Washington didn't. I wonder if that has something to do with the stupid legislation?
They have this tv mentality that nothing should be hard. Pride in self.
Very, very true. The "feed me, I deserve it" mentality. Don't-have-to-work-for-anything. How-dare-they-ban-me-from-xbox-live. Where's-my-iPhone-dad?
It seems to me that there's also a significant worldview issue going on, too. People don't care about each other... at all, it seems. Which is why you can have gang rapes that people watch and nobody cares enough about the victim more than they care about their own "snitch" status. No one is willing to take a risk to help someone else. Ok, not "no one," but you get the idea. It seems that the self-centered look-out-for-number-one ... perhaps Freudian philosophy is not doing so well for "humanity." Not to mention passing the blame to anyone and everyone else but yourself ("you're a good person, so we know you didn't do this out of yourself, is there something in your past that made you do it?" or pleading temporary insanity ... etc...)
There are a lot of problems in the world, hehe.
All the web apps are using Gears, which caches everything for offline use. So all the apps will be usable offline. Your data is stored in the cloud, but also cached to the SSD. So it isn't fair to say it doesn't function offline.
A thick thin client. I guess it might have it's uses, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to try to push onto normal desktop systems...
Passing the Grandma test is important. Put Grandma (even if she knows XP) in front of 7 and Chrome. See which one she prefers.
I agree, the Grandma test is important. I'm not sure which they would prefer. But I wasn't aware Google was trying to produce GrandmaOS. :)
Moblin has a new UI, and people aren't saying Moblin doesn't count as Linux. Embedded Linux still counts as Linux.
Good point on the embedded part.
This is more than a thin client, since a thin client can't be used offline. And apparently it is a bit of a misnomer to say you can't install other apps, since they installed the Phoronix test suite.
I'm still not sure - and apparently not many are - about whether it's actually a thin client or not. If you could use it like a normal, for lack of a better word, thick client, then I'd be much more interested.
I guess Gears works at any rate, but that strikes me as a hack. For example, you can't attach something to an e-mail in gmail's offline mode. If the functionality is significantly limited if in "offline" mode, then I'd still consider it a ... glorified thin client.
... and they employ more people. +1 Economy points. :) ;)
Chromium can boot in 3 seconds.
So basically no offline (relatively speaking) functionality and can boot in 3 seconds. Yay?
It boasts a new UI.
Yes, it looks like Chrome.
It will bring Linux to the masses.
Not really. I would barely call this Linux. I guess it uses a Linux kernel, but it has little similarities past that, as far as I can tell. I know, Linux == Kernel, but ...
I really don't see much of a threat at all right now. It's a huge push for thin-client. Not everyone wants a thin client. I wouldn't want a thin client, even on a netbook, since I don't have internet access everywhere.
Comparing them to Chrome is nothing less than comparing Apples to Oranges.
I've never heard of an Orange. Is it similar to an Apple Mac?
:P
Chrome FS?
Sure you can. 100,000,000 bonus points to scribes because handwritten letters are much nicer. ;)