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Chrome OS Benchmarked Against Moblin, Ubuntu Netbook, More

An anonymous reader writes "Using the latest build of Google's Chromium OS source code, Phoronix built it out to run on a Samsung netbook and ran sixteen benchmarks, putting it up against Moblin 2.1, Ubuntu Netbook Remix 9.10, openSUSE 11.2, and Fedora 12. They ran some of their usual desktop benchmarks (encoding, video, etc..), but more interestingly they ran a number of battery, CPU usage, and memory consumption tests under different settings that show some of the advantages and disadvantages for each of the Linux distributions, and spotted a few bugs along the way."

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  1. Shocking. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Similar linux kernels perform mostly similarly on identical hardware, except for the pre-production one that they probably haven't bothered to polish for any particular real-world hardware yet.

    1. Re:Shocking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that leaves chromeOS as a system that perform like other distros while having less functionality. It sure may be easier to use - less functionality means less things that can break or confuse users, but frustrating when its limits are reached. Good for locked down corporate terminals, but not very exciting for me.

      MS carefully avoids to use the king argument for windows> we got the games. It is another factor that doesnt help Chrome. Linux manages to have a handful of good games and can run some win ones.

    2. Re:Shocking. by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Each distro includes distro-specific kernel patches. They configure the kernel differently. They ship different releases of the kernel. And they compile with slightly different versions of the toolchain.

      So you will see benchmark differences with the "same" kernel on different distros.

      I'm shocked to read the Chromium is eschewing Ext4. What FS are they using, and it it because it is optimized for SSDs?

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    3. Re:Shocking. by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      Does the Phonorix test suite even run on Windows yet? I don't think that's released yet.

      Phonoroix does benchmark against the Mac all the time.

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    4. Re:Shocking. by Enderandrew · · Score: 0

      Answering my own question here, but Chrome is using Ext3, which is not optimized for SSDs particularly. In fact, Ext4 has been getting some SSD patches.

      I really don't understand this move since Chrome is supposed to be as fast as possible. I also have to stop saying Chromium, because that is just the browser. The whole OS project is just called Chrome.

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    5. Re:Shocking. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given the number of times that Ext4 is mentioned in Chrome's publicly released design docs, I'd be inclined to suspect that they just haven't bothered to configure it with Ext4 yet, at least not in the publicly released build.

      Either that, or the left hand and the right hand need to have a little sit down and chat in the immediate future...

    6. Re:Shocking. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The justification may very well be that, as this is a project largley in its infancy, they're sticking to a more conservative configuration at the bottom end. You don't expect any development project at this stage to be looking at optimization anyways. Stability is more important, and once you've got that, then you start plugging in more high performance functionality.

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    7. Re:Shocking. by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Is not meant to be a full computer replacement, just a window to the web, no more, no less. Even could forget that is Linux what it runs. And about performing like the other distros, i suppose that further in the development will be tuned, and trimmed, and adjusted to the very specific hardware that is meant to run on, and that could change how it performs (and even what it does, is nice on paper but reality could change that idea)

    8. Re:Shocking. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Given that I promote Linux all day long, I don't see how I'm a Windows fanboi.

      The Phoronix Test Suite checks disk IO, cpu utilization, battery usage, gzip, LZMA, mplayer, ffmpeg, and some FPS games.

      All those things can be tested on Windows.

      You're dealing with different video drivers on Windows, as well as wondering if you can 100% trust disk IO, CPU, battery usage, numbers as being comparable given that you'll be getting those numbers from another source.

      However, the test suite does use programs that will run on Windows.

      Honestly, I'm not sure why I wasted the 30 seconds to respond to an AC Troll, but I just want people to realize that Phoronix isn't ducking Windows, and I'm guessing we'll see a Windows test suite in time.

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    9. Re:Shocking. by RanCossack · · Score: 5, Informative

      Notice they didn't bother comparing any of them to either Windows 7 or Mac OS X. They wouldn't want open source to look bad, would they? LOL.

      I know, right? Moblin's boot time can't hold a candle to Windows 7's, but the real powerhouse is Vista -- a boot time score higher than Moblin, Ubuntu, Suse, and Fedora's all *combined*... and then *squared*.

      Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to dominate a game of golf.

    10. Re:Shocking. by gentoofu · · Score: 1

      Will be out in the first quarter of 2010.
      http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzY5MQ

    11. Re:Shocking. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, I wonder why they went with the linux kernel and didn't try doing something new? I mean, you'd think with the ridiculous resources they have and all the top-flight programmers they hire, they could have come up with something new and improved.

    12. Re:Shocking. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      But, don't forget - it's open source. I browsed through the file system. It's Linux. No matter what Google finally releases as the "official" ChromeOS release, all of us abnormal geeky types can go in and tweak to our heart's content. Look for unofficial ChromeOS releases soon after - or maybe even BEFORE - Google releases version 1.0

      Isn't that kinda similar to the war Slackware got it's start? Some dude wanted Linux to do something that the official releases weren't doing?

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    13. Re:Shocking. by LandDolphin · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why reinvent the wheel? Use those resources to work on the "improved".

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    14. Re:Shocking. by ZosX · · Score: 1

      Why reinvent the wheel? Linux has had millions of dollars invested in its development over the years and is stable, reasonably efficient, and well documented. To start out from scratch would take years of development time. Why do you think that linux is becoming so prolific on so many different devices? It runs on any remotely modern processor under the sun. Actually, that is why I am so disappointed in all of this in a way. This is simply a rebadging that does little to credit all of the people that got linux and GNU to where they are today.

    15. Re:Shocking. by ZosX · · Score: 1

      If they need to know that bad, a 30 second google will suffice. :P

    16. Re:Shocking. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Why reinvent the wheel? Use those resources to work on the "improved".

      Yeah, that phrase comes from the free software community a lot, though funnily enough people have no problem writing 70 mp3 programs that all mimic each other's functionality...The reason to do it, from Google's standpoint would be a) they would have more freedom when it comes to how they license the product, and b) they could do something new instead of just jumping on the 30 year old UNIX paradigm. I think if they got the best people and let them start from scratch they could come up with something a little better than linux, that's all.

    17. Re:Shocking. by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      I also have to stop saying Chromium, because that is just the browser. The whole OS project is just called Chrome.

      Regarding the "Chrome" and "Chromium" names from Google:

      The open source browser project is "Chromium".
      The open source OS project is "Chromium OS".
      The Google-branded browser product is "Chrome".
      The Google-branded OS product which has been announced is "Chrome OS".

    18. Re:Shocking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Are you seriously comparing a Kernel, filesystem, and userland utilities, against an mp3 player? Really? Do you realize the amount of work and testing that would have to go into writing a kernel from scratch? Besides having a subsystem that has stood the test of time, you have a piece of code that has had millions of dollars invested into it from IBM, Oracle, Sun, Red Hat, and a slew of other companies, not to mention individual man hours. It is much easier to tear down an existing kernel than to build up a new one not to mention the fact that implementing drivers would be yet another headache as either hardware vendors or google engineers would have to write drivers that already exist.

      On a side note on your stupid comparison. Most Mp3 players rely on the same mp3 libraries on the lower level and differ in usability, you know the higher level stuff?

    19. Re:Shocking. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      You're kind of missing the point. All I'm saying is that it's kind of an inconsistent philosophy, not that I think they're remotely comparable. But let's tone down the hyperbole a bit, alright? A kernel is an incredibly complicated thing, but it's not like there are just a handful of superhumanly talented programmers on Earth who know how to design one. It didn't require all that IBM and Red Hat and Oracle support to get a perfectly fine linux kernel. By the way, your driver issue argument is silly, both Chrome and Android are aimed at a narrow set of software, so niether is going to need to support every piece of hardware ever made.

    20. Re:Shocking. by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      It'll be completely locked down.. Google have stated no native apps, only web apps, and no local storage, only storage 'in the cloud'. To me that makes it not a useful system... I'm sure *someone* will like it but don't see the point myself.

    21. Re:Shocking. by oxfletch · · Score: 2, Informative

      We're using ext3 because that's what the bootloader supports right now. The plan is to move to ext4.

    22. Re:Shocking. by oxfletch · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest you start by comparing what's wrong with Linux and the benefit of fixing that vs the cost of developing a new kernel.

      Also bearing in mind the cost and implications of making all hardware vendors produce drivers for all new hardware.

      It's not really practical.

    23. Re:Shocking. by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Yeah... they benchmarked 2 regular Linux distributions, versus 2 netbook Linux distributions, verses a beta netbook Linux distribution. Not surprisingly, they all performed within 5% of each other.

      This article would have been a lot more interesting to read if they included Mac OS X, Windows 7, and Windows XP in the mix for some of the application testing. A lot of the applications that they tested with (like 7 zip) are available on all of the platforms, making some of these tests a fair comparison.

    24. Re:Shocking. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Is the bootloader based off of grub, or did you write your own? If you're using grub, why not use grub2, which I think Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, etc. have all shifted to.

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    25. Re:Shocking. by oxfletch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe it's currently syslinux

      Whilst I love grub for my desktop, it's not the best choice for an embedded type system where we want minimal code and maximum speed.

      I'm looking to see if we can replace with lilo, and not have filesystem code in the bootloader

    26. Re:Shocking. by jesset77 · · Score: 1

      I know, right? Moblin's boot time can't hold a candle to Windows 7's, but the real powerhouse is Vista -- a boot time score higher than Moblin, Ubuntu, Suse, and Fedora's all *combined*... and then *squared*.

      Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to dominate a game of golf.

      Did you just Colbert yourself into an informative mod on top of the funnies? Score! ;D

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    27. Re:Shocking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. *Any* boot time can be made equal to *any* other boot time squared. As long as you can pick your unit of time.

    28. Re:Shocking. by DMiax · · Score: 1

      Since they want your data to be online, they are scrapping the hard disk. So a FS like Ext4, that shines on TB storages is not really useful. There are performance issues with all that metadata to be kept in synch, which may be relevant on the netbook scale (Google's target).

    29. Re:Shocking. by mspohr · · Score: 1

      The fact that the OSs with Ext4 outperformed the Ext3 file system on their 32 Gig SSD machine would seem proof that Ext4 is indeed faster on small netbooks in spite of having to do a bunch of other stuff... maybe all that other stuff makes it faster.

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  2. How? by Spety · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are CPU and memory usage statistics even available in the current build of Chrome OS? I don't remember seeing them when I ran the version that was posted as a VMWare image.

    1. Re:How? by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought you couldn't even install apps. Here they're installing the test suite, performing LZMA compressions, etc. Perhaps Chromium OS does more than we were led to believe it can do.

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    2. Re:How? by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      Even if it was, Chrome isn't in the same game that Fedora, Ubuntu and Opensuse are. Chrome is designed to rely heavily on net applications, the others are designed to rely much more on the desktop. Comparing them to Chrome is nothing less than comparing Apples to Oranges.

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    3. Re:How? by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Funny

      Comparing them to Chrome is nothing less than comparing Apples to Oranges.

      I've never heard of an Orange. Is it similar to an Apple Mac?

      :P

    4. Re:How? by oPless · · Score: 1

      No but there are tangerines and apricots does that help?

    5. Re:How? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      TFA mentions that they mounted the ChromeOS image on another system, and made some adjustments. At least at this stage, it is pretty much stock Ubuntu with a chromey face on top, so anybody who has the image mounted rw on another system should be able to bodge on anything Ubuntu can do with fair ease.

    6. Re:How? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I imagine the simplist solution would be an Ubuntu Live CD, and then chroot into the Chrome OS. You now have terminal access.

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    7. Re:How? by masmullin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Orange is a wireless carrier. You can buy Apples from them.

      http://shop.orange.co.uk/iphone/choose-your-plan

    8. Re:How? by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Comparing them to Chrome is nothing less than comparing Apples to Oranges.

      I've never heard of an Orange. Is it similar to an Apple Mac?

      :P

      I think it might be closer to the Frankin Ace 1000.

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    9. Re:How? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Linux and Windows would be oranges and apples. I think Linux and Chrome might be comparing oranges to tangerines.

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    10. Re:How? by ZosX · · Score: 1

      CTRL+ALT+T brings up the terminal. Can't remember if you need the alt.

      Apt is installed, so yeah, it is basically stock ubuntu with chrome running on top. Feel the innovation!

    11. Re:How? by ZosX · · Score: 1

      But they are the same os. Except one has a web browser and one has a web browser and other actual applications installed. It seems fair to compare them. When is the limitation of choice a design feature?

      Hah! Imagine if M$ only let you install and run internet explorer!

    12. Re:How? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      I thought you couldn't even install apps. Here they're installing the test suite, performing LZMA compressions, etc. Perhaps Chromium OS does more than we were led to believe it can do.

      Doesn't Chrome OS have the same 'Native Code' support that Chrome has?

    13. Re:How? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      No. A stated feature of the OS is no native execution.

    14. Re:How? by oxfletch · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is a confusion about what "native application" means - Linux apps vs native code. It does support Native Client - http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/

    15. Re:How? by Eil · · Score: 1

      Chrome OS only exists as an extremely early alpha at this point. I'm betting the final, non-development version won't make it so easy to get a root terminal, especially since they claim that they will eventually pitch this primarily to wireless telcos.

  3. snake oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Benchmarking operating system distributions in such a way is only useful for regression testing. Benchmarking operating systems that are designed only to run only on specific hardware against operating systems designed to run on as much hardware as possible won't provide any meaningful results.
    They didn't even use the same file system for each install.

    1. Re:snake oil by Sinning · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it will show which distribution will run best on your specific hardware. I agree that it's not meaningful to most. However, most is not all.

    2. Re:snake oil by Guspaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really; Chromium OS is designed to run one single application. Its performance for video encoding or 7-zip compression is completely meaningless; it will never be running any of those applications. Heck, they did all sorts of I/O benchmarks when Chrome OS doesn't really touch the disk except for caching.

      The only meaningful benchmarks they could have run would be to compare various browser benchmarks between Chromium OS and Chrome running on different platforms on the same hardware.

    3. Re:snake oil by mikechant · · Score: 1

      Its performance for video encoding or 7-zip compression is completely meaningless; it will never be running any of those applications

      I wouldn't be so sure. Firefox has at least one addon (video downloader for sites like youtube) which does video transcoding; and google have stated that Chrome OS will run local multimedia content.

    4. Re:snake oil by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Video Downloader doesn't do any transcoding. You're still just downloading content directly from the the video provider. Chromium allows binary code in extensions, but to get a proper comparison, you'd have to compare the same extension both on Chromium (on other platforms) and Chromium OS. This is my original point.

      Local multimedia playback will be dependent on Google's implementation of the various codecs. Comparing, say, mplayer's implementation of h.264 to Google's wouldn't be a meaningful way to compare Chromium OS' performance. You'd have to compare Chromium's playback performance to Chromium OS'.

      Google is claiming that Chromium OS will run Chromium better than other platforms. The benchmarks done for this article do absolutely nothing to validate or dispute that claim. It's a bunch of apples to oranges and/or irrelevant comparisons.

    5. Re:snake oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > it will never be running any of those applications.

      And I thought I could never be able to edit photos in a browser. Oh, wait, you can now. Oops.

    6. Re:snake oil by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you can. With Flash, or perhaps some sort of HTML5 or SVG-based solution in the future. So if you wanted to benchmark photo editing in a browser, you'd need to benchmark the *browser*, not a discrete application for editing photos.

      Again, you're only proving my point.

    7. Re:snake oil by mikechant · · Score: 1

      Video Downloader doesn't do any transcoding.

      When I said:
      Firefox has at least one addon (video downloader for sites like youtube) which does video transcoding

      I meant *a* video downloader, not the addon called 'videodownloader' ! I can never remember the name of the addon I actually use (there are several with similar names), and I don't have access to my home PC at present. It's the one with a button that looks like 3 coloured balls.

      Anyhow, it *does* do video transcoding because I used the feature for the first time about a week ago!

  4. Feh by jimbobborg · · Score: 1

    Seven pages to tell us that they're pretty much the same? And Chrome's power management sucks? I'm wondering why they didn't do a Windows test, too. I thought that would be a requirement in these types of tests.

    1. Re:Feh by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Chromium's power management may not suck. It seems that Chromium is not using EIST, so the processor is always running at 1600 MHz whereas the other distros could scale the processor down to 800 MHz to save power. Given that this system had a SSD, the CPU likely accounts for the vast majority of power consumption.

      But otherwise it was a pretty bland review.

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    2. Re:Feh by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Informative

      Phoronix is a Unix, Linux, Solaris site, they never bother with testing windows. The results would be of little interest to their target audience.

    3. Re:Feh by Enderandrew · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Feh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually the ssd would be the major drain, while a standard 2.5" hard disk may drain 5w while whirring at maximum speed, and an ssd is draining 2w; the amount time the hard disk would actually be in that heavy usage would be during boot or major downloads or other serious disk intensive work. while surfing the web, or running a benchmark that ignores hdd performance, hard drives will not be accessed to heavily. when spun down a standard hdd will take .5w and an ssd will still be drawing 2w. and the atom is actually rather efficient a processor, and wont drain excessivly. the 900mhz chip in other eeepcs like the 1000hd would drain much more.

    5. Re:Feh by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      That's not true at all. RAM draws a fixed supply of power, but flash certainly doesn't. That's why you're able to unplug a flash drive and have it keep the data!

      The only parts constantly in need of power are the controller electronics. The power rating for Intel's enterprise SSDs, for example, is shown as 2.5 Watts active and 0.06 Watts idle. On the newer 34 nm drives, Intel (PDF warning) claims 0.15 W active, 0.075 W idle.

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  5. The most boring benchmarking ever. by w0mprat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All the distros were very close in performance with the exception of one or two benchmarks. 10% is not a perceptable difference. Wake me up when Chrome fever is over and something interesting is posted about it.

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    1. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Chromium can boot in 3 seconds. That is more than a 10% difference.

      It boasts a new UI. It is going to be supported by more vendors as an OEM install than Linux ever had. It will bring Linux to the masses. It is designed to be secure. It will make Microsoft shit their pants.

      That's good enough for me.

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    2. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Chromium can boot in 3 seconds.

      So basically no offline (relatively speaking) functionality and can boot in 3 seconds. Yay?

      It boasts a new UI.

      Yes, it looks like Chrome.

      It will bring Linux to the masses.

      Not really. I would barely call this Linux. I guess it uses a Linux kernel, but it has little similarities past that, as far as I can tell. I know, Linux == Kernel, but ...

      I really don't see much of a threat at all right now. It's a huge push for thin-client. Not everyone wants a thin client. I wouldn't want a thin client, even on a netbook, since I don't have internet access everywhere.

    3. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chromium can boot in 3 seconds. That is more than a 10% difference.

      So does Moblin 2.1. It's actually pretty nice. Give it a few more months and it will be really nice.

    4. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by garcia · · Score: 1

      It will make Microsoft shit their pants.

      Will it, really? I don't think so. They are still going to sell W7 and Office and life will go on for Microsoft. And when people get Chrome and boot it up only to find IE8, Word, and Excel don't exist, and the inability to install Favorite Shareware application foo, then we'll be right back to square fucking one.

      *shrug*

    5. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by marjancek · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't boot in 3 seconds, but in 7, and only with SSDs. And that's more than the 5 seconds we've already seen: http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/ Anyhow; isntant Linuxes in ROM are the future, so no use in scrapping milliseconds from boot-up to a capped down OS that has no applications.

    6. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      So basically no offline (relatively speaking) functionality and can boot in 3 seconds. Yay?

      All the web apps are using Gears, which caches everything for offline use. So all the apps will be usable offline. Your data is stored in the cloud, but also cached to the SSD. So it isn't fair to say it doesn't function offline.

      Yes, it looks like Chrome.

      I can't imagine I'll pass up KDE for this myself, but it passes the Grandma test. They know how to use a web browser already. You plug in a camera, a little overlay shows the camera. You literally drag and drop a photo from the camera to a Google Talk overlay, and it sends to the picture to that person.

      Passing the Grandma test is important. Put Grandma (even if she knows XP) in front of 7 and Chrome. See which one she prefers.

      Not really. I would barely call this Linux.

      Moblin has a new UI, and people aren't saying Moblin doesn't count as Linux. Embedded Linux still counts as Linux. Headless servers still count as Linux.

      Why is this not Linux, simply because there is a different UI?

      This is more than a thin client, since a thin client can't be used offline. And apparently it is a bit of a misnomer to say you can't install other apps, since they installed the Phoronix test suite.

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    7. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      The fastest I've heard from Moblin is 5-10 seconds. I'm not knocking 5 seconds. That's pretty impressive. But Chrome is smoking fast.

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    8. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Microsoft went nuts doing their best to stop Best Buy and other retailers from selling Linux in retail. They won't stop retailers from selling a Chrome netbook.

      That alone proves that Microsoft will panic.

      With Chrome gain 10% market share in a year? Maybe not. But Firefox grew slowly over several years, and I suspect Chrome could follow a similar growth chart. Most end-users don't install an OS on their own period. They get an OS when they buy a PC.

      Given that retailers will sell this, it will be fast, secure, cheap, easy to use, and the merits can be demonstrated in the store in seconds, it stands a good chance to take off. All the users have to do is buy the fast laptop with the brand name they know (Google) that is cheap.

      Would you honestly bet against that?

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    9. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I saw a video demonstration that went from pushing power, to having a login screen in 3 seconds. I'm not sure what hardware was used.

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    10. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      All the web apps are using Gears, which caches everything for offline use. So all the apps will be usable offline. Your data is stored in the cloud, but also cached to the SSD. So it isn't fair to say it doesn't function offline.

      A thick thin client. I guess it might have it's uses, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to try to push onto normal desktop systems...

      Passing the Grandma test is important. Put Grandma (even if she knows XP) in front of 7 and Chrome. See which one she prefers.

      I agree, the Grandma test is important. I'm not sure which they would prefer. But I wasn't aware Google was trying to produce GrandmaOS. :)

      Moblin has a new UI, and people aren't saying Moblin doesn't count as Linux. Embedded Linux still counts as Linux.

      Good point on the embedded part.

      This is more than a thin client, since a thin client can't be used offline. And apparently it is a bit of a misnomer to say you can't install other apps, since they installed the Phoronix test suite.

      I'm still not sure - and apparently not many are - about whether it's actually a thin client or not. If you could use it like a normal, for lack of a better word, thick client, then I'd be much more interested.

      I guess Gears works at any rate, but that strikes me as a hack. For example, you can't attach something to an e-mail in gmail's offline mode. If the functionality is significantly limited if in "offline" mode, then I'd still consider it a ... glorified thin client.

    11. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

      Chromium ... will bring Linux to the masses. It is designed to be secure. It will make Microsoft shit their pants.

      A huge percentage of people who bought linux-based netbooks returned them and bought Windows netbooks instead. They did this because they couldn't take their usual Windows software on the go. If a wonderfully featureful and customizable OS like Ubuntu couldn't wean people off of netbooks what makes you think a one trick pony like Chrome will?

      People are willing to pay extra for a product that works the way they want it to.

    12. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      For one it doesn't pass the grandma test because most of the time grandma knows Windows. Tell them one is Windows, and the other is Linux and they will pick Windows because they -know- Windows. They don't want change. They don't know how to even use the computer. Move an icon over to the left rather than the right and you'd think their hard drive was destroyed by how little work they can get done.

      And yeah, its going to work great with Google apps but lets say you don't use Google apps. Its useless then. Yeah, if every grandma got Chrome OS it might work, but trying to get it to work with Windows XP, 7 and Vista? That isn't going to be easy.

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    13. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, yes I would. I suspect that if Chrome is ever actually installed on computers it'll be dual-booting with Windows 7 Starter Edition, and supplied by about two manufacturers. Then it'll fade away when the news gets around that, basically, you can't *do* anything with it except go online.

      Niche, at most. I'd not buy any shares in Google based on Chrome OS.

    14. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      Most people, i would say about 99% of all computer users worldwide, would suffice with Google Apps and do a splendid job.

      They think they need MS Office because "thats what people use" and because historically you have had to have the same office suite/version to be able to share documents. That have really changed lately thanks to online suites but its still not apparent to most people yet. I have yet to have someone introduced properly to Google Apps be anything but amazed.

      Most shareware is about keeping the computer going and make it suck less. If you dig down in top lists for shareware you'll find much is about security, file sharing, backup and registry cleaners etc. If Google can deliver a zero maintenance OS im certain they wont be missed at all.

      But, the real reason Microsoft will shit their pants is that they have competition from someone willing to spend a dollar on marketing. That this adversary also owns the biggest ad network on the internet isn't that fun either i suppose.

      The danger for Microsoft isn't loosing market share, its about loosing enough market share to be forced to compete on price. Just look at their losses thanks to Asus doing a lame halfbaked attempt at using Linux on their netbooks? Microsoft got off easy because Asus just bent over and took it like pros. Imagine if Asus had told Microsoft go soil themselves?

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    15. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      Well, most people i know have more and more gone over to not do *anything* but being online. People have changed their computing habits significantly since internet became all the rage, computers haven't.

      Even at work (im a sysadmin) most of the work i do is in a browser. Most of the people i help do something in a browser. If the internet/browser/site is gone, the computer is useless. Games and old applications that havent got an online eqvivalent is the only thing that makes them use a local application. And ofcourse updates, security updates, virii, spyware, adware, system failiures, defrags, copying files to usb sticks and such pleasant productive tasks.

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    16. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by kTag · · Score: 1

      It boasts a new UI ? Compared to what ? Chromium browser ? Previous version of Chromium ? Another OS ?
      Sentences starting with "it will" and "it is going to" are just useless.
      It is designed to be secure, like all other browsers/OS and it will be full of bugs like all other browsers/OS which are going to make it a lot less secure.
      Nothing interesting there for me.

    17. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Except Windows Vista and 7 have changed enough that Grandma doesn't know it anymore. I put my mother (grandma in her own right) in front of KDE and OpenOffice. She was able to figure out KDE just fine. And she thought OpenOffice was MS Office, even though I told her it was different.

      Chrome is different enough that no one will confuse it with Windows, but if you can figure out a web browser, you can figure out Chrome.

      The demos of Chrome do show shortcuts for pulling up Yahoo Mail and Hotmail as well. So I'm sure they're working to make sure other web apps work as well. Though non-HTML 5 apps won't support drag and drop, and such.

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    18. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      I'm reading this thread while ubuntu netbook remix upgrades from 9.04 to 9.10 (why oh why won't 9.10 image install for almost half of users? but 9.04 has zero issues, wtf)... I tested out Moblin 2.1 final and 9.10 remix, I can say that they're about 70% ready for prime time. Check back in about a year and we'll have some serious netbook contenders. Moblin is really, really cool, (and snappy as hell) but is too trimmed down for the power user. I suspect Chromium OS will be roughly the same. 9.10 UNR allows you to swap between standard GUI and "Netbook GUI" on the fly - that's why I finally decided on running that. And dual booting Windows. Oh, btw windows will freak out if you repartition the drives, even if you do it non-destructively in gparted. What a waste of time. Now I have to figure out how to install XP with just a frickin USB stick....
       
      Anyways my point is, Microsoft has a full year before Linux is fully ready for Netbooks. In the meantime, XP and Win 7 starter edition are both plenty snappy, and don't really make much difference in the cost of the device. I doubt netbooks with linux on them will crack 15% of (retail! brick and mortar) sales. Given the wide discrepancy in build quality from model to model, it's highly recommended one check them out in person first. Glad I did - the HP minis have significantly better keyboards than even the storied samsung NC10 and NC20s. And most brick and mortar shops (at least my local Fry's and Best Buy) only carry Windows models.

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    19. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 Starter Edition won't let you run more than 3 windows at a time, and will be considerably slower than Chrome. Both have restrictions. Except Grandma will fill one with viruses and spyware, where as the other will be secure. I know which one I want to give Grandma.

      Most users do live in their web browser these days. I'm not one of them. I likely wouldn't run Chrome personally. However, I will recommend it to people who do live out of their web browser.

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    20. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Chrome netbooks aren't claiming to be a typical PC. They are very clear in their marketing. It is a web appliance basically.

      And frankly, if you're running Vista Home Premium, or 7 on a netbook, and trying to install Photoshop, you're in for a world of disappointment. If you're buying a netbook for anything other than basic word processing, playing media, and connecting to the internet, you're doing it wrong.

      There is a bunch of debate and FUS over netbook returns. Some retailers have said returns were the same percentage wise for Linux and Windows boxes. Others said Linux had a much higher return rate. I'm not sure which is the truth, but the matter certainly isn't clear.

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    21. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      If you think that Windows and IE were designed to be secure, then I don't know what to tell you.

      There is a world of difference between Chrome's security model, and Windows.

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    22. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      It is going to be supported by more vendors as an OEM install than Linux ever had.

      No, I think the Tivo has that honor.

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    23. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

      I'd like to think that with the name "netbook" people know what they're intended for, but they still put up with the performance hit to run their favourite apps, however poorly. Obviously Photoshop isn't important to the netbook demographic, but Bejeweled and MS Word and MSN Messenger certainly are.

      The "world of disappointment" you mention isn't caused by running familiar apps slowly, it's caused by being forced into inferior and unfamiliar facsimiles.

    24. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Yes, a lot of people are going to be "doing it wrong" and the result will be an uphill battle for Google.

    25. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Except Windows Vista and 7 have changed enough that Grandma doesn't know it anymore. I put my mother (grandma in her own right) in front of KDE and OpenOffice. She was able to figure out KDE just fine. And she thought OpenOffice was MS Office, even though I told her it was different.

      OpenOffice, unless you need to do powerpoint stuff (and, as I recall people saying, if you have Excel macros), is really good and has come a long way. A lot of people that I know, adept or not at computer usage, use it with no problems at all. I can recommend it without reservation to random people that don't want to spend the $300 or whatever it is for Office. I do like MS Office still, it seems very polished still - but OpenOffice.org is shaping up to be a very good product and already is.

      KDE, though... I've had really, really mixed results with that one. Sometimes it works fine, some people fine gnome a little easier, and I've had people get completely confused with it... and not with Windows 7 (they were used to XP). In fact, with two test subjects (hehe), I went from Windows XP to openSuSE (KDE) to Ubuntu (gnome) to Windows 7. Windows 7 has actually booted faster (old Athlon x64 ... 3500+ or something like that, with ~1gb RAM) and worked better with all peripherals. And hasn't frozen - Ubuntu was actually freezing occasionally, which I was surprised at - probably hardware related though.

      All that to say ... the desktop environment "Grandma friendliness" is still a toss-up, in my mind, between the latest Windows, gnome, and KDE. I personally would put Windows and Gnome at a tie and KDE second... I liked gnome better than KDE for the most part, but actually work more efficiently with Windows than Gnome. May just be I know the keyboard shortcuts way better :)

      Chrome is different enough that no one will confuse it with Windows, but if you can figure out a web browser, you can figure out Chrome.

      That's a big if. Most people have no clue what a file is or a folder is, let alone a filesystem. Most people don't know that a browser is really just a program that requests/displays information from their network connection. I suppose if they really thought about it, they might arrive at that conclusion. But if you now tell them, after they got USED to OpenOffice.org/MS Office, that their documents are all Google documents ("what? what if it's a Microsoft Word document?" ...) and you need to type that in the address bar or .. whatever ...

      The demos of Chrome do show shortcuts for pulling up Yahoo Mail and Hotmail as well. So I'm sure they're working to make sure other web apps work as well. Though non-HTML 5 apps won't support drag and drop, and such.

      IMO, this sounds great for something like a netbook. I'm really, really uncertain about the putting this on a desktop system... the question being "why" :)

      But I guess it's good they're doing it. I'm fine if it works for people. Coolness. I hope it doesn't encourage a "under-functional" thinking of Linux though, too.

    26. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      9.10 UNR allows you to swap between standard GUI and "Netbook GUI" on the fly - that's why I finally decided on running that

      Aaaand it appears that feature was removed in the 9.10 version, for inexplicable reasons. Fucking brilliant. And my sound isn't working (But it works in wubi 9.10 motherfucker...)

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    27. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by prockcore · · Score: 1

      I would love it if my TiVo booted in anything less than 5 minutes...

    28. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess Gears works at any rate, but that strikes me as a hack.

      Gears is attempting to converge with the HTML5 offline stuff. It's a good idea for web apps in general, and it happens to be usable for the Chrome OS.

      For example, you can't attach something to an e-mail in gmail's offline mode.

      That strikes me as a limitation of Gmail, not Gears.

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    29. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 Starter Edition won't let you run more than 3 windows at a time

      You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Or else, given your posts here, you're intentionally spreading FUD. First, comparison with the Starter edition is at least misleading. In the USA the most usual versions are going to be Home Premium or higher. Unless Granny has a tiny netbook (which I wouldn't foist on any of my elderly relatives), you'd have to bend over backwards to get your grandmother a Starter Edition machine. Second, your assertion about the 3 application limit is just plain untrue. Go educate yourselfa bit before posting FUD.

    30. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by kTag · · Score: 1

      Windows since NT version has been designed to be secure. Really I think they had a good shot at it. The result is not impressive, but they tried. If you are talking about bloat and bad decision leading to complex issues, I agree with you. But you can't say that a modern version of Windows has not been designed to be secure.
      IE now, it's a different story. Actually I think IE8 use the same security model than Chrome (the browser), each tab/window gets it's own process, same with plugins no ? I actually don't know enough of IE to really talk about this...

    31. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative

      their documents are all Google documents ("what? what if it's a Microsoft Word document?" ...) and you need to type that in the address bar...

      Neither of these are required. I just watched a demo in which someone plugged an SD card into a laptop running Chrome OS -- it popped up a filesystem browser. They found an excel document, clicked it, and it opened in the Web version of Microsoft Excel.

      So, they're working on it, but there is definitely a model for running applications that happen to be webpages.

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    32. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      IE8,

      How many people actually care about "IE8" vs "The Internet"?

      Word, and Excel

      Aside from Google Docs, it's possible to configure the system to integrate with Microsoft's online office suite. So yes, Word and Excel do exist.

      inability to install Favorite Shareware application foo

      Which only lasts as long as it takes them to find Favorite Web Widget Foo to replace it, with the added bonus of not fucking up their computer. That's probably going to be the biggest change here -- you won't be able to fuck up your computer without some serious effort.

      I've seen a lot of kids, not particularly technically literate kids, replacing native IM clients with Meebo. I've even seen a few replacing Winamp and iTunes with Pandora.

      So, there will be a few Joes who won't upgrade. But I think you underestimate the number of people who pretty much use their computers for Facebook and Youtube.

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    33. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Windows was designed that so each user ran with full administrator priveledges. Pretty much every process on the computer had full access to everything.

      Explain to me how that is designing for security.

      Chrome and IE8 do have per-process models. IE8 only gets any level of sandboxing on Vista and 7, because it depends on UAC, which is still not much better.

      Since compatibility with old apps gets broken, you have to elevate most things back up to administrator level, and users get trained to just hit confirm on everything.

      Even then, the sandboxed IE8 mode isn't sandboxed very well.

      Chrome only gives a browser process as much access to read from certain folders as it needs, and no more.

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    34. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by jipn4 · · Score: 1

      If a wonderfully featureful and customizable OS like Ubuntu

      ASUS has been shipping a shitty version of Xandros, and HP has been shipping a broken SuSE install. Heck, I would have returned those netbooks if I hadn't been able to blow their bad Linux installs away and replace them with good ones.

    35. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      I quoted a parent who mentioned Starter Edition. And Microsoft has said they recommend Starter Edition for netbooks. So, when compared to a Chrome device, Starter Edition is the most logical comparison.

      As for Microsoft removing the 3 app limit, I hadn't read that.

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    36. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bejeweled. MS Word. MSN Messenger.

      isn't caused by running familiar apps slowly, it's caused by being forced into inferior and unfamiliar facsimiles.

      You could make that case about Bejeweled -- the official web version is deliberately crippled compared to the desktop version. However, the other two are very serious attempts by Microsoft to expose that functionality online. And I haven't covered alternatives -- Meebo and Google Docs come to mind.

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    37. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by hcmtnbiker · · Score: 1

      But Chromium also lacks most functionality that the other distros have. It's decently easy to make something fast and secure when it doesn't do very much.

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    38. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will bring Linux to the masses. It is designed to be secure.

      Right. On another note, I have a really good bridge to sell you at a low, low price!

    39. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by ZosX · · Score: 1

      Asides from the gloss, I'd say that vista and windows 7 have done a respectable job at staying basically the same. If anything they seem like refinements of the design laid out in windows 98 and nothing more. Sure the start menu is a little different and there is no up arrow in explorer, but other than that its pretty much the same. I'd argue that XP brought bigger changes with icon grouping in the taskbar, shrinking systray and the redesigned start menu that is pretty much what even windows 7 is using now.

      Microsoft knows the furor that will arise if they change anything too drastically. My mom has never had a problem adjusting to various instances of windows and she really knows the least out of anyone I know.

    40. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by ZosX · · Score: 1

      you should always install windows first and then run gparted. just leave a nice block of space at the end for linux and swap. windows needs to set up its bootloaders properly or you will not be able to boot. hit up my e-mail if you get stuck.

    41. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Except almost every single dialog and configuration option moved to new places, and in most cases it takes more clicks to perform the same task.

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    42. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have been a lot more happier if they forked Ubuntu, got engineers to polish up all the apps, get drivers working and make it Goobuntu and put it for public consumption. Would have made M$ shiver, given that Ubuntu is the closest desktop that can challenge M$ and with Google brand backing the effort, it would have been a lot easier to sell it out. Guess, it would have also demarcated Android clearly from Goobuntu. Now Google has a confusing market where its clear at some point either of Android or Chrome OS will get culled.

    43. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by jdc18 · · Score: 1

      It is not designed for security, it is designed for speed. It s main focus is speed, security is second or third.

    44. Re:The most boring benchmarking ever. by T0mWil5on · · Score: 1

      It boasts a new UI. It is going to be supported by more vendors as an OEM install than Linux ever had. It will bring Linux to the masses. It is designed to be secure. It will make Microsoft shit their pants.

      Who cares if it boots in three seconds? Modern operating systems sleep and wake flawlessly.
      I can already access online services and applications with this little doohicky called a browser.
      I already have a small, low-powered device that lets me access these things too...It's called a smartphone.

      ChromeOS offers *nothing* that isn't already out there on mature platforms.
      It brings *nothing* to the table.

      Any Microsoft soiled britches are likely the result of uncontrolled laughter.

      This. Is. A. Non. Event.

      Mod me down all you like.
      It changes nothing.

  6. If you really care about Linux performance... by Silverlancer · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's been an enormous improvement in the Linux scheduler in recent months--in some cases the performance improvements are as high as 60-80% with simple multithreaded apps like video encoders. The instant 2.6.32 comes out officially, expect to start seeing some completely absurd results in stupid "comparisons between Linux distros" like these, where the distros that happened to update to .32 trash the ones that haven't yet.

    1. Re:If you really care about Linux performance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nuh uh! You aren't gonna get me to EVER click another link hosted in the .cx domain.

    2. Re:If you really care about Linux performance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those "enormous improvements" in the scheduler need to be seen in the context of previous enormous performance regressions. A lot of the "improvement" is simply returning to earlier standards of performance. The really positive aspect is that there is now a good test case which will prevent similar regressions passing unnoticed by the kernel developers as happened before.

    3. Re:If you really care about Linux performance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool. I just installed the 2.6.32 kernel from Ubuntu Lucid (I'm running Karmic, BTW) and the performance is better when using Handbrake/x264. Previously my machine was 30-40% idle when encoding where now it's 10-15% idle. I'm seeing about a 30-40% decrease in overall encoding time.

      I have been doing a lot of x264 encoding lately so a boost in performance is great. I know one thing that helps is disabling the "ondemand" CPU frequency scaling. I hate that damn thing. The problem is that the OS will move processes around to different CPU cores so the ondemand thing keeps flipping the cores between different speeds. Since that speed switching isn't instantaneous you see a dip in performance as each processor changes its clock (run the openssl benchmarks with ondemand enabled and disabled and you will see the difference in speed).

    4. Re:If you really care about Linux performance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HA HA HA HA HA

    5. Re:If you really care about Linux performance... by selven · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. I ran that script and my kernel's memory usage has reduced by 50%.

  7. "benched" by hey · · Score: 1, Informative

    In sports "benched" usually means taken off the field. I like this tech usage (benchmarked) -- which is new to me.

    1. Re:"benched" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah? Well I can bench 380 marks, so there!

    2. Re:"benched" by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Except when "benched" is short for "bench-pressed", as in "He benched 200 pounds."

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    3. Re:"benched" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For certain values of 'Mark'. The Mark I know is about 400 lbs, so if thats the case, Superman, you are quite strong indeed.

    4. Re:"benched" by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      For certain values of 'Mark'. The Mark I know is about 400 lbs, so if thats the case, Superman, you are quite strong indeed.

      According to xe.com, the Mark is currently about 0.46 Pounds.

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  8. Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Face it, "Chrome OS" isn't an operating system in any way. It's a web browser running on a Linux distribution. Nothing more, nothing less.

    A more appropriate name for it is "Chrome Fullscreen".

    1. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Chrome FS?

    2. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Vendetta · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chrome BS.

    3. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by kFiddle · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, Chrome OS packages a full linux kernel and device drivers to be able to interact with your hardware. It would probably be more accurate to call it a new linux distribution. But, why argue about terminology when "linux" itself isn't even an operating system.

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    4. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Sinning · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Linux is an operating system. Chrome is a customized linux distrbution and therefore an operating system. Even if you don't like it.

    5. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Tekfactory · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny, I thought Linux was a Kernel.

      Since we're being pedantic and all.

    6. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's pretend he said GNU/Linux and move on.

      Sure is a lotta douchebags in this thread!

    7. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is /.

    8. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      It's Google's rebranding of Linux. Perhaps in a few years Linus will be demanding that it be called "Linux/Chrome".

    9. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only according to Richard Stallman, who took it upon himself to rename the Linux operating system—which was forked from his own GNU project, which pissed him off a bit—to "GNU/Linux" and claim that "Linux" was the name of the kernel. Linux not being his project, he has about as much authority to dictate these names as I do to change the name of Coca-Cola.

    10. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, you're probably right. He has, after all, demanded that Linux/Slackware rename itself, as well as Linux/Debian, and Linux/Suse and ...

      Oh wait, that hasn't really happened, has it?

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    11. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Face it, "Chrome OS" isn't an operating system in any way. It's a web browser running on a Linux distribution.

      Chrome OS is an operating system. Specifically, it is specialized a Linux distribution where the in place of a traditional desktop environment, a variation of the Chrome browser is sued. Since a specialized Linux distribution is an operating system, so is Chrome OS.

      It may not do what you want out an operating system to do, and that may make it a bad operating system for your use. That doesn't make it not an operating system, however.

    12. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is madness!

    13. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by ZosX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed. The media really needs to quit talking about chromium. Nothing to see here, move along. Revloutionary? That makes me laugh. Its not even stateless as some have claimed. (Then again, I never really saw how that would work without a FS rewrite.) It is just linux with a web browser as the only interface. After using it for 2 minutes (the most it would give me before dumping to the login) I wanted to punch someone. If this is the direction where computing ends up going we need to figure out a way to sabotage the future. A web browser does not make a thin client. Repeat after me. I want my applications locally, where I can use them regardless of having a network or not. This is so anti-pc it makes me filled with rage. The whole world could burn down and I could still do my work with my PC (as long as I survived). Try doing that with chrome. Ask the t-mobile/sidekick/hiptop users out there how well cloud worked out for them. Could you imagine of Microsoft released Windows 8 as purely just internet explorer and loaded bing by default? Google already has datamined us way beyond anything M$ could have ever dreamed of, but where is the outcry over privacy? Any company that needs to use "do no evil" as a way to placate the masses has some serious fucking issues. Chromium seems purely to be another vehicle to guide them to the pearly gates.

      I don't see it standing much of a chance. I don't think a great deal of thought actually went into it. It lacks so many basic features that I am kind of surprised they even released it. Like how do you log out or even shut down? It responds to ACPI requests (it is just linux) but there is nowhere on screen to power down. No desktop? No pretty background? Even android is a real OS compared to this. No nifty widgets? I don't see many people getting all that excited about running chrome and nothing but. I was kind of hoping for a competitor to ubuntu, but sadly this is not the case. Hats off to ubuntu btw for having the tightest netbook distro out there too! They are even beating xubuntu in memory usage right now.

    14. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're all wrong. This is Thunderdome.

    15. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny, I thought Linux was a Kernel.

      Since we're being pedantic and all.

      Pedantic-Man(tm) says you should not have capitalized the word 'kernel'. Just sayin'.

    16. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Here is what I don't understand, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I've picked up reading about Chrome OS. Now from the articles I've read it is using signatures at every stage of boot to ensure that you have a "malware free" image, and that if ANY place in the boot doesn't match the Google signatures it fails, dumps, and downloads a clean image from Google, yes?

      Now here is what I don't understand-I thought RMS had a royal shitfit about TiVo using signatures to lock out hacking and banned that shit with GPL V3, yes? So Is Google using old GPL V2 code? Or have they figured a way around the "TiVo clause"? Because I have a feeling after all the work he put into GPL V3 to kill that locking down shit RMS is gonna have steam coming from his beard over Chrome OS, which looks to be just as much or even more locked down than a TiVo.

      Between locked down devices like Chrome OS and SaaS enabling companies to tweak GPL software all they want while still locking it down thanks to the 'distribute" clause not kicking in I think the GPL is in trouble personally. While I never much cared for RMS and thought the "TiVo clause" went too far I respect his right to design his license his way, but it looks to me like SaaS and cloud computing is gonna allow corporations to just give the GPL the finger and do whatever the hell they want with the code, license be damned.

      So if RMS don't want GPL code to be as easy to paywall as BSD code he might want to get his ass in gear on GPL V4. Because while I have no desire to "live in the cloud" I can see Joe and Sally average liking the convenience, and things like Chrome OS and SaaS allows corps to "cheat" their way out of the license thanks to nobody looking at the cloud as distributing. Am I missing something here, or is there really a loophole with GPL with regards to SaaS and cloud computing?

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    17. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by VernoWhitney · · Score: 1

      Does that make this Beyond Thunderdome?

    18. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Repeat after me. I want my applications locally, where I can use them regardless of having a network or not.

      The intent is for that facility to be provided by web apps with offline functionality, something that has been important to Google since before Chrome OS was conceived (or, at least, announced as something they were working on.)

      The whole world could burn down and I could still do my work with my PC (as long as I survived).

      The only initial barrier to do that with Chrome seems to be that the first time a user logs on, network connectivity and a Google Account is required, although Google has stated that that initial limitation is just that: they want to work with other authentication sources, specifically they've cited having an OpenID alternative as a goal. While this still requires network connectivity, something as simple as a home LAN with an lightweight server doing authentication would work. And, since Chrome OS is targetted for netbooks, a certain degree of network dependency is not as critical as it would be if it was intended to be a general-purpose desktop OS.

      Now, you may have an issue with the entire idea of a netbook-specific OS and prefer just a general purpose desktop OS with slight visual adaptation to the limit screen real estate -- and that's certainly a reasonable preference. But I don't think that all netbook users are going to share that preference.

      I don't think a great deal of thought actually went into it.

      I think that its pretty clear from reading the pages on the design and plans that a great deal of thought has gone into it.

      I think its equally clear that what has been released has not realized all of the things that are planned for it, and that it is not intended to be a production release, a release candidate, a beta, or even an alpha release, but more an opening up of the development code base and the work-in-progress plans to public view and comment.

    19. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by introspekt.i · · Score: 1

      I don't you are correct in thinking that this is something that's meant to supplant a full out fat-client OS like Windows or OS X for the typical end user. Rather it's really just meant as an OS for netbooks. Also, the application of (angry) personal experience as a way of predicting market trends is just shenaniganery. Not to mention you're comparing finished products to a product that is nowhere near market ready-ness.

      If I had a dollar for every time somebody said "It's just A with B as the C!! I don't see it standing a chance." on Slashdot, I'd be pretty well off right about now.

    20. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Korin43 · · Score: 1

      I think the phrase you're looking for is GNU/Chrome.

    21. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps he meant to use the definite article - i.e. "the Kernel", as in "the Kernel to end all kernels"...

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    22. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Linux kernel is GPL v2, as is much of the essential software. They can stay clear of GPLv3 easily and create a perfectly working distribution.

    23. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is what I don't understand, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I've picked up reading about Chrome OS. Now from the articles I've read it is using signatures at every stage of boot to ensure that you have a "malware free" image, and that if ANY place in the boot doesn't match the Google signatures it fails, dumps, and downloads a clean image from Google, yes?

      Yes, if the user agrees. Read the boot-related design docs. If you can't be bothered to read anything, scroll down most of the way until you get to the flowchart. Note the sequence: "Check kernel A sig" bad -> "Check kernel B sig" other -> "Scary Dev Mode screen" -> "User Panics?" no -> "Load developer kernel (done)". Also be sure to read the section "Support developers / l33t users installing their own software":

      Once the chain of trust departs from the standard Chromium OS boot chain, we need to indicate this clearly to the user of the device. This prevents malicious attackers from giving users a modified version of Chromium OS without the user knowing. We likely will need to show a warning screen which includes the following elements:

      • A warning that the standard image of Chromium OS is not running
      • A means of reverting back to the standard Chromium OS image
      • A means of allowing the user/developer to proceed down the "untrusted" path

      It is desirable for the warning screen to have a timeout, so that Chromium OS devices with developer images can be used in unattended applications (for example, as a media server). The timeout should be sufficiently long that a user can read and respond to it - for example, at least 30 seconds.

      No GPLv3 violations here. Google doesn't want to control your hardware if you'd prefer not to. The details aren't settled yet, but if you really don't like the warning screen on every boot, you might be able to open up your machine and fiddle with some jumpers to overwrite the read-only firmware if you like.

      (I knew I shouldn't have used mod points in this discussion.)

    24. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A more appropriate name for it is "Chrome Fullscreen".

      An even more appropriate name for it is "Chrome's Google-Confusion-Fest". Because Google is starting to bewilder me with parallel, seemingly conflicting options!

      1) There's Chromium O/S, which is pretty much just a Linux distro with a browser.

      2) There's Android O/S, which is pretty much just a Linux distro with a browser, that's incompatible with Chromium.

      3) There's Google Gears, which is pretty cool, but doesn't work with Chromium O/S, or Chrome the browser.

      4) There's Chrome itself, whicch is just a browser, without a distro of any kind, and paradoxically, doesn't work on Linux.

      In short, while Google has been lobbing all this juicy-looking stuff out onto the marketplace, it's been set up in such a way as the boxes are likely to fall on anxious developers.

      This looks to me more like a minefield than a fruited plain!

      Come on, Google! If you want me, a developer, to "jump on board" with your stuff, you'd better get it all talking to each other, because your deeply fragmented product lines are causing me to shun your products.

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    25. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by sxeraverx · · Score: 1

      Funny, I thought Linux was a Colonel.

    26. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      It's not a full computer concept in play. It's like saying (Gruber time) that you want a bicycle and a car instead of two cars.

    27. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Eil · · Score: 1

      This looks to me more like a minefield than a fruited plain!

      Oh, well if that's what you're after, you'll want to speak to these guys then.

    28. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't linke Chrome OS is ok, only remember that it is an open source project and you are no paying nothing for that, if you don't like that, just don't use it.

    29. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by collinstocks · · Score: 1

      Google Chrome (the browser) actually does run on Linux. It even has flash and java support now.

      I added the chromium-daily repository, and everything is stable and works fine.

      https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa

      By the way, I still use firefox for the most part. Adblock plus is nice.

    30. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Oh, well if that's what you're after, you'll want to speak to these guys then.

      He wanted a 'fruited plain", not a fruity one. Besides, Cupertino is more in a valley.

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    31. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      It was intended to be funny, but the only valid part would be that most of the general public never heard of Linux, Debian, Suse, etc. So the point was that because Google is well-known, Chrome might be considered a brand-new OS that has nothing to do with that unknown thing called Linux.

      So I'm not suggesting that Linus would complain, just that he might have a reason to.

    32. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      Then you'd be thinking wrong. As poor as my attempt at humor may have been, GNU/Chrome would even be less funny.

    33. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's Android O/S, which is pretty much just a Linux distro with a browser, that's incompatible with Chromium.

      Do you even understand the words of ignorance coming out of your mouth? Learn about Android before stating it is a Linux destro with a browser, FFS. http://developer.android.com

    34. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by jesset77 · · Score: 1

      After using it for 2 minutes (the most it would give me before dumping to the login) I wanted to punch someone.

      Modern operating systems (or what pass for them) annoy me as well. I made a blog post of where we should be instead. ZosX, what is your take on my assessment?

      Seriously, I think that companies and organizations who purport to deliver operating systems today have fallen far outside the scope of the needs of end users or the capability of hardware and networks to maintain an ancient status quo and tow their own singular interests instead. Yes, my disappointment in this matter extends equally to Windows, MacOS, ChromeWhatever, and Linux/BSD. Those who are interested in where I feel we should be instead, honestly, check my article. I'm not selling anything. :P

      Thank you for your time.

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    35. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by shentino · · Score: 1

      I've never taken a web browser itself to court before, though these days you'd never know what to expect.

    36. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by DMiax · · Score: 1

      It is GNU/ChromeOS, give credit where it is due, please.

    37. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by DMiax · · Score: 1

      I don't think they really care about any of those. Any user of one product will be a faithful user of their online services, which they *do* care about. It a form of advertisement, if you will.

      A 1-3% marketshare is good for them: they do not want to dominate. Of course if they start to dominate, you will see the real developer power of Google when it gets serious.

    38. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "3) There's Google Gears, which is pretty cool, but doesn't work with Chromium O/S, or Chrome the browser."

      Google gears is built into the Browser.

    39. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Sinning · · Score: 1

      No, that would be Sanders.

    40. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      This...

      IS...

      SPARTAAA!!

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    41. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by KermitJunior · · Score: 1

      Sheesh, I thought it was obvious... GNU/Linux/Chrome

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    42. Re:Let's stop calling it "Chrome OS". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4) There's Chrome itself, whicch is just a browser, without a distro of any kind, and paradoxically, doesn't work on Linux.

      It's really ironic that I'm typing this from Chromium running on Ubuntu 9.10 :)

  9. Phoronix, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can give you the results from any Phoronix benchmark article: Ubuntu won.

  10. Program loader, not a true OS by zorro-z · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As I watched the Google Chrome OS rollout, it occurred to me that, when it comes down to it, Chrome isn't so much a full OS as it is a program loader, a la DOS. As the presenter explained, most of what an OS does Chrome *won't* do- no scheduler, no other apps, barely a file system, etc. What it will do is load a Web browser, and then get out of the way. That strikes me as rather similar to the experience I had back in the day using SLIPNot to simulate a graphical browser over a SLIP connection.

    This isn't a criticism; far from it. It may just be that precisely what netbooks need is a program loader to start a Web browser + then get out of the way, rather than a full-fledged OS to tax their limited- by design- resources.

    Now, if I could just find a way to load SLIPNot on my Eee...

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    1. Re:Program loader, not a true OS by jimbobborg · · Score: 1

      Hold up.

      OS = Operating System
      DOS = Disk Operating System

      All an operating system does is get the computer going. All the rest of the stuff you are mentioning is fluff.

    2. Re:Program loader, not a true OS by pavon · · Score: 1

      Well since Chromium is basically the Chrome Browser running on Linux/X11, I see it as more like GEM or Windows 3.11, except it lacks tiled windows and has a fairly primitive API.

    3. Re:Program loader, not a true OS by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Well since Chromium is basically the Chrome Browser running on Linux/X11

      Chromium is the Google-run open source browser project on which the Google-branded Chrome browser is based.

      Chromium OS is the Google-run open source OS project which uses a Chromium-based browser on top of a (somewhat tweaked, IIRC) Linux kernel and X11.

    4. Re:Program loader, not a true OS by int69h · · Score: 1

      If you don't mind my asking, what's scheduling Chromium's processes or the other processes like the X server then?

    5. Re:Program loader, not a true OS by oxfletch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What on earth makes you think that an OS running a multiprocess browser has no scheduler?

    6. Re:Program loader, not a true OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chrome isn't so much a full OS as it is a program loader, a la DOS

      Disk Operating System isn't an operating system?

  11. Not the banchmarks I care for. by Requiem18th · · Score: 2, Funny

    While Ubuntu Netbook Remix (soon to be "Edition") owns Moblin in most graphs the reason I switched to moblin was because of its fast start up, about about 20 seconds.

    Another distro xPUD boots in about 10 seconds, but flash doesn't work out of the box.

    However, while youtube runs beautifully in moblin (including fullscreen!) other flash games are too slow and there is still no shockwave, so what I want is a linux that boots fast, runs flash ok and runs shockwave somehow (maybe with wine?) and the more of these features that run out of the box the better, for anything else I can use the terminal.

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  12. Orange Micro by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    Back when Macs still used 68000 series CPUs, Orange Micro made single-board PCs that plugged into a NuBus slot on a Macintosh II, allowing Mac owners to run MS-DOS and Windows and their apps.

    1. Re:Orange Micro by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      That sounds vaguely, vaguely familiar. But I've always been on x86 (and Windows/Linux), so I wouldn't know. Interesting stuff though, thanks for the reply to a comic post :)

    2. Re:Orange Micro by ZosX · · Score: 1

      Ahh the good old days. There was also a 3do on a card for the pcs. The PC on mac card was a real classic. I wonder how many mac users bought it purely just to play all the games they were missing? It was a 486DX/2 that did SVGA. All on an expansion card. Cool stuff back then.

    3. Re:Orange Micro by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many mac users bought it purely just to play all the games they were missing?

      If you can find the suggested MSRP for the device, you'll know the answer to that question.

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  13. musings by Sterculius · · Score: 1

    At first, Google impressed me quite a bit, but their latest forays into programming languages (Go!) and the OS market ... yawn. Honestly, Chrome in no way compares to FireFox either. It is just a light, quick browser that is light and quick because it doesn't do the truly great things that FireFox can do. The Google "genius club" isn't going to take over the world, no matter how arrogantly they try. However, if they upset the drone army at Microsoft, I applaud their efforts anyway.

    1. Re:musings by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      It is just a light, quick browser that is light and quick because it doesn't do the truly great things that FireFox can do.

      Let's see...

      v8, Chrome's Javascript engine, is what started most browsers, including Firefox, improving their Javascript engines by 2, 3, even 10 times. So that's quickness that was actually engineered, that no one did before.

      It's also more secure and more robust -- tabs run in separate, sandboxed processes. This allows a single tab to crash without bringing down the browser. This is better than Konqueror, in which a single tab crashing brings down the window, and miles better than Firefox, in which a single tab crashing brings down the entire browser.

      it doesn't do the truly great things that FireFox can do.

      What does Firefox do that Chrome doesn't?

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    2. Re:musings by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      v8, Chrome's Javascript engine, is what started most browsers, including Firefox, improving their Javascript engines by 2, 3, even 10 times.

      IIRC, Mozilla had already committed to a particular new Javascript engine for future Firefox because of speed advantagages when Google Chrome and V8 were announced.

  14. Absurd by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 1

    The testing concept was pretty absurd - (relatively) stable netbook releases vs a new distro that can barely be considered in 'Alpha' and really doesn't have a platform yet. If Ubuntu, Fedora or Suse had one of their Alpha distros benchmarked vs something stable they would be screaming bloody murder. Wake me when Chromium (much better name for the OS than Chrome by the way) is about to get released.

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  15. Dualboot. by nomorecwrd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think ChromeOS will be very useful as a second boot choice, when you are in a hurry (airport, hotspot, whatever) and need some info on the internet quick. Just turn on your netbook and get your info in a few seconds. To do the real job you have the OS of your choice as the primary boot (Linux or Windows)

    I know, I know, you can always use hibernation and be also ready in a few more seconds, but note every note(net)book likes the hibernation.

    Just my 2 pesos.

  16. Too many pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    7 pages? k thx bye.

  17. Stop it please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF, could someone stop these endless Chrome OS advertisement posts on /.

    WE HAVE HEARD YOU and know what Chrome OS is, okay? (And no, thanks, I don't need it.)

  18. general thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chrome OS is long from beta, why bother benchmarking it now? Anyway it's OS who don't do much apart from using mobile phones for exploring the net

  19. Nice colors by formfeed · · Score: 1
    I switchd to ubuntu becaue all my friends had it *lol* and thanthey hadthat real nice brown swirl in the bagground,but now it look like they R switching to grey, and which I don like that much. but Fedora looks like pretty impressive. me like blue!

    i really really like comparizons between diffrent linux distrobutions because they alwayz show U pictores of the desktops

  20. Why care about boot time? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

    what I want is a linux that boots fast

    Ubuntu resumes out of suspend really fast.

    Depending on what you do, this may or may not be good enough.

  21. The hidden conclusion from this test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After reading the article, and thinking about the numbers: after all the hype has passed, if you're looking for a good all around featured and decent performing system that has rock-solid stability, large community, and is cater for both users and developers?


    OpenSuse 11.2 (and yes, their latest KDE integration is very, very good).

  22. I'm going to give it a chance by DeBaas · · Score: 1

    Years ago I worked on something that has some similarities to Chrome OS (http://www.simpc.nl). And of course the same things were being said about it as now on Chrome OS;-) (http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/05/01/13/0033206/simPC---Your-Grandparents-New-Computer?art_pos=1)

    It had a lot of the same features: runs on flash, read-only file system, 'firmware approach' mostly online and webbased apps, low requirements on hardware (VIA C3). Resulting in much easier to use, more secure and tamperproof system then a full desktop. Although I believe that Google will do a lot better job.

    What most people failed to see then as they do now is that a lot of people don't care about the PC. They care about being online.

    I'm glad to see Google building something similar and open source. There are much more uses for a webbased desktop. And other service suppliers could build something with Chromium OS. At the time we thought about Xul applications for companies (we were working with Firefox). But these days I would go for HTML5.

    It is not necessarily so that the netbook with such a system is unusable without the internet available. We had a very simple system that checked for the availability of the internet at startup. Without internet it would simply load a local desktop (which can be an html file). And doesn't Google docs have offline capabilities as well?

    Personally I'm gonna give Chromium OS a change on my netbook if it allows me to play videofiles, (so if mplayer or VLC can be run, I'm good). I use a netbook daily while commuting in the train. And aside from internet stuff, playing episodes of TV-shows is the only thing I do on that thing in the train.

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  23. Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you express the boot time in hours, then any one of those distributions gets higher marks than adding their times up *including Vista*, then squaring the result.