The dice games and Munchkin sell to non-rpg gamers who shop at bookstores like Barnes & Nobles. It's really not a bad thing because that revenue is what is allowing new Gurps products to be published. The customer base for these casual games is much larger than PnP RPG gamers. Consequently I'm hoping they keep turning out Munchkin level hits even though I don't play them.
Wait, have the downloaders deprived ANYONE of any tangible property?
It's really simple. Somebody puts something out there and asks a price for it. You have it and haven't paid. You're a fucking thief. Everything else is rationalization.
Love Jefferson, but there's more to his history on copyright and patent than one oft-used quote. Google around unity100, and maybe you'll realize that you shouldn't be telling people when they should participate.
Why are/. readers opposed to this? Because they think that their business model is more important than a woodshop founder's business model.
No, (some) slashdot readers are opposed to this because we hold our individual rights higher than your sense of entitlement to the products of our mind. Got to love the idea that you either have to keep that novel of yours in a drawer if it's to be yours or be forced to release it to the "public". Guys like roman_mir aim to prevent speech, prevent innovation, and prevent progress by refusing to reward and recognize the justice that creators have the right to their own creations and to make contracts in regards to them.
Look, it's probably not possible to convince you, but let's try: look at those comments on the page you linked. Look at your comments. Count the number of loaded words.
Let me help you: Consider why people are using words that provoke an emotional reaction rather than reasoning, why they assume the Other is out to get them.
Nimey: loaded words? Nihilist? Marxist? Anarchist? They're nouns. There are self-identified marxist, anarchists, and conspiracists who are part and parcel of the Occupy movement. That is simply a fact. That you want to define them away as "loaded" is a weasel way to avoid having to deal with them and with why I posted that link to gateway pundit (which just happened to be the first link in Google to the incident at Occupy Phoenix) in the first place. And really, I don't particularly care about your emotional response, which frankly is your problem.
Cute, but people, and the ideas they hold, are not policies.
Amusingly, if they were, what'd of the anarchist, marxist, conspiracist brew that Occupy consists of? I suspect you'll stick to that analogy only one way.
Thanks for illustrating my point, and also for linking to that site; the commenters prove my point as well.
I doubt you'll see it, though. Seems like conservatives constitutionally love that sort of name-calling; fits in with the politics-as-a-team-sport motif.
Nimey: You don't have a point. You have a prejudice which you nurture and feel you have to protect whenever reality might tarnish it. You toss "teabaggers" and "conservatives" as labels which you use as weapons to protect yourself from the reality that what Occupy has done and why they've have done it for is batcrap crazy nihilism. You call it name calling but I'd call it identification of the facts of reality.
OWS has to do these things to get attention because (unlike the teabaggers) they're not a creation of Fox News and the commentariat, so they don't have built-in hype.
Ahh... "teabaggers". And you're complaining about name calling. You fucking hypocrite.
While it's true that the TP organizers emphasize that they're all about/fiscal/ conservatism, if you'll look at who makes up the movement and who said movement has collectively elected to represent them, it's pretty socially conservative as well, and hawkish, i.e. conservative Republicans.
You just say it over and over again many times. Then you have your buddies in the press repeat it a few hundred more times. After all that it just sort of becomes truth.
Thanks for reinforcing the "batcrap crazy" segment of my argument.
You know if you wanted to argue that, as a movement, the ideals of Occupy Whatever were to important to let mundane problems tarnish the movement you'd have some credibility. To argue that the above didn't happen at all, just makes you a fanatic.
You're joking right? How about you compare the crime blotters for the two movements. How batcrap crazy do you have to be to see the nihilistic occupiers who violated individual rights, living in filth, committing murder, robbery, rape, assault and call that rational and constructive?
There are services central to a modern society which only yield huge profits in high population density areas.
As if HUGE profits are required to sell services in a free economy. Most businesses are mildly profitable. Yet services and products that are mildly profitable are being sold all the time. In rural areas.
Because there are higher margin investments elsewhere, a true free market will never expand into these areas, ever.
Bull. There are always higher margin investments elsewhere somewhere. Why build a corner mini-market when I could invest in Apple? The premise you are working here is at complete odds with reality.
And most rural people live in such conditions because they were born into them, and lack realistic prospects of leaving.
Boldly stated despite a couple of centuries worth of people vastly more poor than the poorest American today migrating to urban areas or more prosperous agricultural regions. I know you think your arguments sound good but accusing somebody else of bad reasoning or trolling when your coming up with the tripe above is pretty funny.
I am about to start a phd after having finished a masters (in a hard science),
But of course, you have to be pretty intelligent to rationalize yourself into something so far from real world evidence as poor rural people can't migrate. And probably aware enough of your IQ that you don't self-check your thinking enough to be sure your not BSing yourself.
In a libertarian world I would be digging a ditch somewhere
Of course! Freedom produces economies of nothing BUT ditch diggers. How could I have missed it.
But I understand that there is a difference between subsidizing a service that will provide opportunity for those with some ambition, and paying people money just to exist. Things like public libraries, rural broadband, and inter-city youth programs/college grants are worth funding because they provide a path for self-betterment.
They are worth funding and it's called charity. If you really need and want to get that PhD you apply for scholarships and ask for that help. You slam people who value freedom as lacking empathy but in my experience we're far more trusting of empathy than your average liberal or big-government conservative. I think what scares you is you're worried that you might go looking for that charity and people would judge your worthiness for it.
If the government invests a few billion dollars in rural internet, it will inevitably net additional tax dollars and increase the pool of talented contributing society members.
It'll inevitably destroy wealth somewhere else in favor of your pet project. And give me a break, you're going to subsidize MetricT's grandparents entertainment choices, not save the Republic.
Maybe you forgot the part where we paid for telco lines and cable lines to be run to these people's houses to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in straight tax money in addition to the fund that the article is talking about.
Like the billions that goes into the infrastructure to build cars? Aircraft? A steel plant? Finance and financiers funds industries that have timelines that take decades. Comparatively digging ditches is cheap.
You clearly don't see Internet access as a basic human right,
Public investment in services that have become necessities helps reduce the demand for criminal services. A
Because THAT's a real problem, with a Hollywood film cite no less. I've got no problem with hospitals providing charitable care. It's when you put the regulatory gun to their head and not only demand that they provide care, but how, what treatments, what they can be paid for it, and "no, you thought you were a citizen in a free country? Not if you work in healthcare." There is no such thing as a right to healthcare.
Kradadoom may be being silly about hurricane's in AZ but he's more on the right track than the people tut-tutting him. Hurricane's no, monsoons yes. Monsoon storms flood, down trees and telephone poles, and rip nice, flat, airfoil like surfaces right off if they are not properly secured. Since you engineer structural strength to handle peak loads there actually is a significant wind threat.
The "requires almost no maintenance" sets off alarms bells for me. In the desert? People cite the AMARC boneyard but those planes are pre-treated and metal aircraft frames really don't require a lot of maintenance, which is not what this thing is going to be made of. Buy a car that's been sitting in sun for 5 years like I did one time and you'll discover interior plastics disintegrating to the touch and sand in everything (and was still a lemon at the low low price of $500). Tempe Town Lakes dam materials were supposed to last 30 years in the AZ sun, instead failing catastrophically in a third as much time. The desert environment can be brutal on materials.
wealth is proof of moral rectitude, and poverty is proof of sloth and moral degeneracy..
Funny how a lot of Rands villians are rich businessmen (Orren Boyle, James Taggart). And of her hero's the sculptor Steven Mallory is an unknown living in poverty, Cherryl Brooks is a poor shopgirl, and Howard Roark is so destitute at one point that he's breaking rocks in a quarry to have enough to eat. Looks like crunchygranola didn't even get as far as reading the Cliff's notes.
Ayn Rand is one of those authors where people feel free to post the most idiotic, inaccurate "facts" because of their politics. Read the book and judge it for what is actually in it instead of propagandizing your prejudices.
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The dice games and Munchkin sell to non-rpg gamers who shop at bookstores like Barnes & Nobles. It's really not a bad thing because that revenue is what is allowing new Gurps products to be published. The customer base for these casual games is much larger than PnP RPG gamers. Consequently I'm hoping they keep turning out Munchkin level hits even though I don't play them.
Wait, have the downloaders deprived ANYONE of any tangible property?
It's really simple. Somebody puts something out there and asks a price for it. You have it and haven't paid. You're a fucking thief. Everything else is rationalization.
Link to the PDF for those slashdotters who want might want to read the actual bill.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr3674ih/pdf/BILLS-112hr3674ih.pdf
Love Jefferson, but there's more to his history on copyright and patent than one oft-used quote. Google around unity100, and maybe you'll realize that you shouldn't be telling people when they should participate.
Why are /. readers opposed to this? Because they think that their business model is more important than a woodshop founder's business model.
No, (some) slashdot readers are opposed to this because we hold our individual rights higher than your sense of entitlement to the products of our mind. Got to love the idea that you either have to keep that novel of yours in a drawer if it's to be yours or be forced to release it to the "public". Guys like roman_mir aim to prevent speech, prevent innovation, and prevent progress by refusing to reward and recognize the justice that creators have the right to their own creations and to make contracts in regards to them.
No mystery. Would you want your legal attention divided in a case like this? Suing UMG is a distraction for these guys trying to stay out of jail.
And there you go with the name calling again. "Marxist"? "Conspiracist"? Seriously.
You evidently don't know what the words "self-identified" mean.
Look, it's probably not possible to convince you, but let's try: look at those comments on the page you linked. Look at your comments. Count the number of loaded words.
Let me help you: Consider why people are using words that provoke an emotional reaction rather than reasoning, why they assume the Other is out to get them.
Nimey: loaded words? Nihilist? Marxist? Anarchist? They're nouns. There are self-identified marxist, anarchists, and conspiracists who are part and parcel of the Occupy movement. That is simply a fact. That you want to define them away as "loaded" is a weasel way to avoid having to deal with them and with why I posted that link to gateway pundit (which just happened to be the first link in Google to the incident at Occupy Phoenix) in the first place. And really, I don't particularly care about your emotional response, which frankly is your problem.
Cute, but people, and the ideas they hold, are not policies.
Amusingly, if they were, what'd of the anarchist, marxist, conspiracist brew that Occupy consists of? I suspect you'll stick to that analogy only one way.
Thanks for illustrating my point, and also for linking to that site; the commenters prove my point as well.
I doubt you'll see it, though. Seems like conservatives constitutionally love that sort of name-calling; fits in with the politics-as-a-team-sport motif.
Nimey: You don't have a point. You have a prejudice which you nurture and feel you have to protect whenever reality might tarnish it. You toss "teabaggers" and "conservatives" as labels which you use as weapons to protect yourself from the reality that what Occupy has done and why they've have done it for is batcrap crazy nihilism. You call it name calling but I'd call it identification of the facts of reality.
OWS has to do these things to get attention because (unlike the teabaggers) they're not a creation of Fox News and the commentariat, so they don't have built-in hype.
Ahh... "teabaggers". And you're complaining about name calling. You fucking hypocrite.
Sorry, do you think multiple readings increase or decrease the possible interpretations of you post? If I misread you clarify please.
While it's true that the TP organizers emphasize that they're all about /fiscal/ conservatism, if you'll look at who makes up the movement and who said movement has collectively elected to represent them, it's pretty socially conservative as well, and hawkish, i.e. conservative Republicans.
Fallacy of Composition Nimey.
You just say it over and over again many times.
Then you have your buddies in the press repeat it a few hundred more times.
After all that it just sort of becomes truth.
Thanks for reinforcing the "batcrap crazy" segment of my argument.
You know if you wanted to argue that, as a movement, the ideals of Occupy Whatever were to important to let mundane problems tarnish the movement you'd have some credibility. To argue that the above didn't happen at all, just makes you a fanatic.
...and driving down the tone of political discourse everywhere they show up. And by bringing assault rifles to public political gatherings.
Apparently you mostly pay attention to Fox News.
You mean like the Neo-Nazi's who showed up to give their support for Occupy Phoenix?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/unreal-neo-nazis-patrol-occupy-phonix-with-ar-15s-media-silent/
Apparently, you don't read enough news sources outside your narrow, bigoted interests.
You're joking right? How about you compare the crime blotters for the two movements. How batcrap crazy do you have to be to see the nihilistic occupiers who violated individual rights, living in filth, committing murder, robbery, rape, assault and call that rational and constructive?
There are services central to a modern society which only yield huge profits in high population density areas.
As if HUGE profits are required to sell services in a free economy. Most businesses are mildly profitable. Yet services and products that are mildly profitable are being sold all the time. In rural areas.
Because there are higher margin investments elsewhere, a true free market will never expand into these areas, ever.
Bull. There are always higher margin investments elsewhere somewhere. Why build a corner mini-market when I could invest in Apple? The premise you are working here is at complete odds with reality.
And most rural people live in such conditions because they were born into them, and lack realistic prospects of leaving.
Boldly stated despite a couple of centuries worth of people vastly more poor than the poorest American today migrating to urban areas or more prosperous agricultural regions. I know you think your arguments sound good but accusing somebody else of bad reasoning or trolling when your coming up with the tripe above is pretty funny.
I am about to start a phd after having finished a masters (in a hard science),
But of course, you have to be pretty intelligent to rationalize yourself into something so far from real world evidence as poor rural people can't migrate. And probably aware enough of your IQ that you don't self-check your thinking enough to be sure your not BSing yourself.
In a libertarian world I would be digging a ditch somewhere
Of course! Freedom produces economies of nothing BUT ditch diggers. How could I have missed it.
But I understand that there is a difference between subsidizing a service that will provide opportunity for those with some ambition, and paying people money just to exist. Things like public libraries, rural broadband, and inter-city youth programs/college grants are worth funding because they provide a path for self-betterment.
They are worth funding and it's called charity. If you really need and want to get that PhD you apply for scholarships and ask for that help. You slam people who value freedom as lacking empathy but in my experience we're far more trusting of empathy than your average liberal or big-government conservative. I think what scares you is you're worried that you might go looking for that charity and people would judge your worthiness for it.
If the government invests a few billion dollars in rural internet, it will inevitably net additional tax dollars and increase the pool of talented contributing society members.
It'll inevitably destroy wealth somewhere else in favor of your pet project. And give me a break, you're going to subsidize MetricT's grandparents entertainment choices, not save the Republic.
Maybe you forgot the part where we paid for telco lines and cable lines to be run to these people's houses to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in straight tax money in addition to the fund that the article is talking about.
Like the billions that goes into the infrastructure to build cars? Aircraft? A steel plant? Finance and financiers funds industries that have timelines that take decades. Comparatively digging ditches is cheap.
You clearly don't see Internet access as a basic human right,
It's not.
Public investment in services that have become necessities helps reduce the demand for criminal services. A
Because THAT's a real problem, with a Hollywood film cite no less. I've got no problem with hospitals providing charitable care. It's when you put the regulatory gun to their head and not only demand that they provide care, but how, what treatments, what they can be paid for it, and "no, you thought you were a citizen in a free country? Not if you work in healthcare." There is no such thing as a right to healthcare.
No wonder liberatrians mostly seem to post anonymous.
Because NeutronCowboy is just the sort of name for a truly brave anonymous coward.
Or with telling you, and people like you, to die in a fire.
And people are saying the HFT guys are psychotic. sheesh.
Kradadoom may be being silly about hurricane's in AZ but he's more on the right track than the people tut-tutting him. Hurricane's no, monsoons yes. Monsoon storms flood, down trees and telephone poles, and rip nice, flat, airfoil like surfaces right off if they are not properly secured. Since you engineer structural strength to handle peak loads there actually is a significant wind threat.
The "requires almost no maintenance" sets off alarms bells for me. In the desert? People cite the AMARC boneyard but those planes are pre-treated and metal aircraft frames really don't require a lot of maintenance, which is not what this thing is going to be made of. Buy a car that's been sitting in sun for 5 years like I did one time and you'll discover interior plastics disintegrating to the touch and sand in everything (and was still a lemon at the low low price of $500). Tempe Town Lakes dam materials were supposed to last 30 years in the AZ sun, instead failing catastrophically in a third as much time. The desert environment can be brutal on materials.
wealth is proof of moral rectitude, and poverty is proof of sloth and moral degeneracy..
Funny how a lot of Rands villians are rich businessmen (Orren Boyle, James Taggart). And of her hero's the sculptor Steven Mallory is an unknown living in poverty, Cherryl Brooks is a poor shopgirl, and Howard Roark is so destitute at one point that he's breaking rocks in a quarry to have enough to eat. Looks like crunchygranola didn't even get as far as reading the Cliff's notes.
Ayn Rand is one of those authors where people feel free to post the most idiotic, inaccurate "facts" because of their politics. Read the book and judge it for what is actually in it instead of propagandizing your prejudices.