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The Behind-the-Scenes Campaign To Bring SOPA To Canada

An anonymous reader writes "SOPA may be dead (for now) in the U.S., but lobby groups are likely to intensify their efforts to export SOPA-like rules to other countries. With the Canadian DMCA back on the legislative agenda at the end of the month, Canada will be a prime target for SOPA style rules. In fact, Michael Geist reports that the recording industry wants language to similar to that found in SOPA on blocking access to websites, new termination policies for subscribers, and an expanded SOPA-style liability for sites that could include YouTube and cloud-based services." Another reader points out that similar mischief is afoot in Ireland: "The Irish government's new 'statutory instrument' threatens to do some of the same things as SOPA, mainly introducing the power to force ISPs to block websites suspected of having copyrighted material on them."

171 comments

  1. How much is a political bribe in Canadian dollars? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can probably get more bang for my buck by buying one of their politicians instead of buying one in the U.S. anyway.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  2. Illuminati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those danged Illuminatis, tryin to control my world!

  3. Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Same answer applies every time abolish copyrights and patents.

    Copyrights and patents prevent speech, prevent innovation, prevent progress.

    The only real free market approach to protecting your ideas is a trade secret, that's all. Government must not be allowed to meddle with businesses and protect business models and practices.

    When somebody uses his savings to start a woodshop, as an example, if they fail and business dies out and they are out of their investment, there won't be government standing there with a handout, and it shouldn't be - it's personal risk.

    Same with copyrights and patents - these are government handouts at the expense of the larger free market economy and it makes no sense to protect one type of investment over any other type. Government shouldn't be subsidising any businesses at all ever (banks, insurance companies and Solyndra come to mind).

    Abolish copyrights and patents and check out the link I posted in this comment, it leads to my other comment on the same topic, but it's not my comment that is of interest, it's the response to my comment, with /. readers being vehemently opposed to the idea.

    Why are /. readers opposed to this? Because they think that their business model is more important than a woodshop founder's business model. So the woodshop or a restaurant founder can go eat shit if his business fails (and a woodshop and especially a restaurant is a very location based heavy business, if you are in the wrong location, your business will fail, while on the Internet, businesses have access to near global markets, so there is a huge advantage for the software/book/movie/audio, etc. types of businesses there).

    It's hypocrisy, it's short-sightedness, it's hubris and it shows the true colours (as in character) of the crowd.

    1. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This attitude is just part of the problem.

      Both sides are full of unrealistic extremists and it's getting us nowhere. The digital world is very different in regards the reality of property. For the same reason that traditional property rules don’t apply well (or at all), the kind of logic you are applying doesn’t either.

      We need rational thinking where both sides meet half way, not two sides screaming their extremist views at each other... especially as one side has a lot more influence to wield that the other.

    2. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, this is stupid. We want people to publish their developments and techniques: so that more people can use them. Also, copyright (for a limited time is a good thing). 70 years after your death (more likely, indefinitely, due to the inevitable increase in this duration) is too long. Patents are probably good, I don't know about the duration. However, design, business method, and obvious patents are not.

      Would we be better off without them at all (than what we have now)? Possibly. But it would be best to have a fine-tuned system that actually encouraged invention, instead of stifling it.

    3. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Thank you!

      This is the kind of rational thinking I was talking about above. Cut out the patents on obvious stuff, cut down the duration to something reasonable, and it's actually not a terrible system. The "everything is public domain" approach is a nice pipe dream, but fails the reality test.

    4. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, what existed for most of human history fails the "reality" test.

    5. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by chrissandvick · · Score: 0

      Why are /. readers opposed to this? Because they think that their business model is more important than a woodshop founder's business model.

      No, (some) slashdot readers are opposed to this because we hold our individual rights higher than your sense of entitlement to the products of our mind. Got to love the idea that you either have to keep that novel of yours in a drawer if it's to be yours or be forced to release it to the "public". Guys like roman_mir aim to prevent speech, prevent innovation, and prevent progress by refusing to reward and recognize the justice that creators have the right to their own creations and to make contracts in regards to them.

    6. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Kenja · · Score: 0

      I forget, are we anti copyright or pro GPL this week? Cause you cant be both. Only way the GPL works is with copyright law to back it up and enforce it. The GPL and other licenses can extend to people usage rights that are not covered by copyright, but they can not deny rights that are otherwise available. So if someone violates the GPL, copyright law resends their rights to the code etc. Without copyright law, there are no penalties for violating the GPL or any other license agreement.

      --

      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    7. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by earls · · Score: 2

      If you're intent on keeping the current system, you're going to figure out a way to universally enforce it with "fair" penalties that deter the copyright and patent infringement. I've yet to hear a solution, only criticism.

    8. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by unity100 · · Score: 1

      people were publishing things long before there was copyright enforcement. or patents. in fact, the liveliest periods in world history are these, despite the technological drawbacks of earlier ages.

    9. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2

      The reason /.ers are opposed to your "ideas" is that there is apparently some common sense left in the world. Abolishing patents would mean there is zero incentive to invest into innovation and all incentive in the world to copy. A smart investor will look around for idiots willing to put time and money into research and development, buy one sample and send it to China for mass production under another label.

      --
      Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
    10. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anrego · · Score: 1

      The internet didn't exist for most of human history.

      The ability to infinitely copy something at almost no cost didn’t exist for most of human history.

      The ability to distribute something to thousands of people you have never met and have no prior relationship with also didn’t exist for most of human history.

      And so on...

    11. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by unity100 · · Score: 1

      Guys like roman_mir aim to prevent speech, prevent innovation, and prevent progress by refusing to reward and recognize the justice that creators have the right to their own creations and to make contracts in regards to them.

      and guys like you are disagreed by thomas jefferson. who do you think, we will hold in higher regard ?

      and if you dont even know what im talking about, you shouldnt have participated in a discussion about patents/copyrights in the first place.

    12. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. The pro-IP side has had their way for too many years now. I'm tired of being butt-fucked. It's their turn now.

    13. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by countertrolling · · Score: 2

      ...not two sides screaming their extremist views at each other...

      "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

      --
      For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
    14. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anrego · · Score: 2

      I agree with the sentiment, but lets face it, it’s probably us that’s going to be over the barrel yet again.

    15. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Hooya · · Score: 1

      A reality check for congress critters and senate squatters:

      http://blog.agrawals.org/2012/01/18/the-chart-every-member-of-congress-should-see/

      Meeting halfway my ass. If the media companies were so precious that we needed all kinds of laws to specially protect them, how about protecting the much bigger industry that they are about to destroy?

    16. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and AC have apparently "drunk the koolaid" about copyright, and failed to understand the basic conflict between internet and copyright.
      Roman Mir is right. You can have copyright or you can have the internet. Not both. I choose to keep the internet and freedom of expression.

    17. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      An American quote.

      Remember here in Canada, we got our independence through a series of meetings in which control was gradually transitioned over.

    18. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Unoriginal_Nickname · · Score: 1

      /. readers support copyright because we are all brainwashed from a young age to believe that copyright and trademarks are natural consequences of a healthy free market economy.

      They aren't. They're government-granted monopolies.

      You are absolutely and completely right.

    19. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2

      That's ridiculous. The liveliest time in the world by far is the modern age. Today there are about 300,000 new books published per year, just in the USA. You are telling me there were more published in the years before copyright? Same for inventions. It used to be few rich people who would dabble with new technology in their spare time which is a joke compared to the huge business that it is today.

      --
      Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
    20. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by SirGarlon · · Score: 0

      This attitude is exactly why the two-party system in the U.S. is a total failure.

      --
      [Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
    21. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be an argument that no patents is better than what we have now. It is not, however, an argument that no patents is the best system. Patents and copyrights are not intrinsically bad. They just seem that way now :(

    22. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by nzac · · Score: 2

      This attitude is exactly why the two-party system in the U.S. is a total failure.

      A two party system is failure because its only one step better than a one party system.

    23. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without copyright law, there are no penalties for violating the GPL or any other license agreement.

      You say that like its a bad thing. Tell us, without copyright law, why would anyone care?

    24. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by dbet · · Score: 1

      Reasonable compromise? That sure worked well for Obama vs the Republicans.

    25. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2

      They are not "consequences" of a healthy free market economy, they, along with other laws protecting private property, are a necessary precondition.

      --
      Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
    26. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      No, this is a balance between how much freedom you want to give up to your government and how much you want to keep (and SOPA and PIPA will be back and ACTA and DMCA exist now).

      Trade secrets increase competition, they don't diminish it, because if somebody is doing something profitable, other people will look at it too, and if there is a trade secret involved, they'll be looking for another solution, either they'll find the same one or they'll stumble upon something new.

      Trade secrets increase competition and increase research and development, copyrights and patents prevent them.

    27. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      You what is unrealistic? Expecting other countries to give a shit about your copyrights and patents once they have all the manufacturing and you depend on them for everything.

      You know what's extremist? Using government to give powers to businesses that they would not have otherwise and call that a good economic model that promotes competition and growth of economy.

      There is no middle ground, the side that doesn't care about patents and copyrights will win.

    28. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Normally I'd agree with you, but current copyright law is already extreme. As in, extremely one-sided. You can't take a reasonable position vs. an extremist, because you'll be expected to compromise, and that compromise will still be extreme, just not as extreme as it could have been.

      For instance:

      MAFIAA: All websites that host, point to, or in any way facilitate or encourage copyright infringement should be shut down immediately with no due process and no method of appeal, and the website operators should be jailed for fifty years. All websites should be required to police their own content, and if we find a single piece of copyrighted material on the site, the whole site should be shut down. Anyone found guilty of downloading a song or movie without our permission should be fined millions of dollars.

      Reasonable Guy: Websites should not be shut down without a conviction in criminal court or a finding of liability in civil court. Websites should not be required to remove anything from their site unless the copyright holder swears under penalty of perjury that the material infringes their copyright. Copyright infringement should be a civil issue, not a criminal issue. Copyright infringement is the digital equivalent of jaywalking and should result in fines maxing out in the hundreds of dollars in extreme cases.

      MAFIAA: Okay, because we're so generous, we'll compromise. We'll provide a list of titles that websites can match against to see if they're infringing. If any file on the website matches one of these titles in whole or in part, the site should be shut down. Like that file "The Gettysburg Address.txt" is clearly a copy of the movie "The Fellowship of the Ring" because they both begin with the word "The". As for jailing the website operators, we'll go with twenty years instead. And we'll concede that a fine of millions of dollars for illegally downloading a song is too much, so we'll settle for hundreds of thousands of dollars. See how magnanimous we are?

      Government: Sounds like an acceptable compromise to me. I would personally like to thank the MAFIAA for being so reasonable and willing to make such huge concessions in order to settle this matter amicably. Isn't it great when we all get along?

    29. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When somebody uses his savings to start a woodshop, as an example, if they fail and business dies out and they are out of their investment, there won't be government standing there with a handout, and it shouldn't be - it's personal risk.

      The same thing applies to an author or musician. They don't get bailed out if their book bombs or they never get picked up by a label. And you know it.

      Same with copyrights and patents - these are government handouts at the expense of the larger free market economy and it makes no sense to protect one type of investment over any other type. Government shouldn't be subsidising any businesses at all ever (banks, insurance companies and Solyndra come to mind).

      Except that copyright isn't a "handout" or "subsidy". Nobody's getting any money here, or anything else that will prop up a failed business venture. And you know that too.

      You are knowingly and deliberately making invalid and dishonest analogies. You are, therefore, a liar.

    30. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by unity100 · · Score: 1

      they are intrinsically bad. its no different from giving the ownership of a vast land rich with resources to a single person in hereditary form - that ended up in feudalism.

      and similarly, no land grant to any lord was hereditary at the start, or for lifetime. they were given for limited periods of time, or for duration of service. but however, the 'rights holders' kept pushing for more and more rights. they first made them for lifetime, then they made it hereditary. and then they ended up with feudalism.

      copyrights and patents create intellectual feudalism. their course is no different than the process that happened in early frank kingdom.

    31. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Only way the GPL works is with copyright law to back it up and enforce it.

      - that's a feature, not a bug. GPL is unnecessary if there is no copyright and it's a good thing.

    32. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There seems to be a prevalent misconception that the media industry "doesn't understand" the current situation, that they're merely behind the times, and that we should try to hold discussions with them and compromise with them.

      Bollocks. The media industry knows perfectly well how piracy affects their business, both the good and the bad. Don't let the heartshattering pleads of the starving musicians fool you; They are just as brainwashed by the corporations that need their support for every single bit of legitimacy they wish to have in lobbying their cause. It is not a case of misunderstanding, but exact knowledge of the situation which drives them to both embrace piracy for it's marketing benefits and at the same time lobby laws and persecute filesharers. Both of these actions are ways for them to fatten their profits, and they know it and they will only keep pushing us further down into the muck as they try to extort the last bits of cash from all of us before their businesses crumble.

      Copyright as it stands now is at an end. The megaupload case is the clearest evidence that the technology that is used to create the web services of today cannot coexist with the idea of intellectual property. The companies that promote SOPA etc. are perfectly aware of the upcoming change, and they are squeezing every last penny out of the system before the executives board their jets to flee to tax havens with their extorted earnings, leaving both us and the artists that supported them equally without money and freedom, which they will rob from us with the help of the gleefully ignorant politicians that either cannot see their intentions or harbor their own.

      The last few years have seen copyright destroyed as a mechanism that can be enforced. This coming decade will hopefully see it destroyed as something that should be enforced.

    33. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We need rational thinking where both sides meet half way...

      This topic, like how much murder is tolerable, or what level of slavery is most beneficial, is not one which is amenable to half-hearted compromises. The only difference is that this issue remains undecided.

      Depending on the principles you start from, you end up in one of three basic positions: (1) copyright, etc., are fundamental rights, which should persist for at least the lifetime of the producer (and possibly inherited) and should never be infringed upon; (2) copyright, etc., are legitimate constructs, not rights, instituted to promote the social good, and should be set at whatever point optimizes this good, infringement being a crime against society for subverting this policy; or (3) copyright, etc., contradict fundamental rights, such as the right to own and use private property in a non-aggressive manner, and thus have no legitimacy.

      Compromise is only really possible within the second category, over issues such as the optimal length, or socially-beneficial exceptions. This is possible because the second position ignores the question of natural rights entirely; it assumes that producers do not have a natural right to control distribution of their work, and that the government has legitimate authority to curtail use of private property. All that remains is to work out the details.

      You can't "meet halfway" between category (1) and category (3), or even between either group and category (2), however, without one side or the other forfeiting their integrity. In the case of group (1), while they might be individually willing to shorten their claims or forgo them entirely, they can't make that decision for all producers everywhere. However much they may want to compromise on behalf of "their side", they don't have the authority to do so. Group (3) has the same problem; any compromise would affect not just themselves, but everyone else whose property rights are to be violated to incentivise production of creative works.

      A willingness to forgo one's own perogatives and preferences to arrive at a mutually-acceptable compromise is an admirable trait. However, one must never compromise one's core principles—and that is exactly what would be required to "meet halfway" in this situation.

      --
      "The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
    34. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am confused by your argument. Are you also specifically opposed to land ownership? Or just the notion of property rights in general?

    35. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. It's the copyright and the patent idea that is abomination and that prevents free flow of implementations and even worse - free flow of ideas. This ends up hurting the economy, and the people who will not suffer from it will be those, who will chose in their market not to care about such artificial impositions by government power over people's freedom by protecting ridiculous business models, that don't have any actual right to exist (as in to be protected by government force over freedom of the people.)

    36. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully most of our investment systems and platforms are also catastrophically flawed.

    37. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by countertrolling · · Score: 0

      An American quote.

      Doesn't matter where it comes from. It applies universally

      Remember here in Canada, we got our independence...

      Tee Hee

      ...through a series of meetings in which control was gradually transitioned over.

      To.. whom exactly?

      --
      For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
    38. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      Ok, riddle me this: I'm an inventor, I invented a piece of software that replaces ms outlook with a superior client (friends & family told me).

      Do I...

      go get a DVD burner and start making discs of my software?

      File a patent and let a factory make the disks and handle the marketing when they buy the rights to my product? (I am entitled a split moving forward here usually)

      Our system in place is a joke, along w the rest of the bureaucratic US government, however...

      You need to protect the inventors too. While the RIAA & MPAA have been abusing the shit out of this system, it's cause the system is flawed, but... that doesn't mean we can "just abolish it". Abolishing it would effectively stop our inventive progress because suddenly its not worth inventing something cause the bigger guy will just out market and out produce you. The system needs to be fixed to be in the 21st century, the fact that it hasn't is a flaw of the government and the copyright people are just vultures trying to feed off a dying carcass.

    39. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are a short-sighted person.

      It's fine if somebody gets 'bombed' and loses at business - it's a natural consequence of market doing its work, allocating resources in the most efficient manner.

      Copyrights and patents ARE a subsidy, and if you don't understand that concept, I suggest you try and visit this site, and you will see a nice big government note there, subsidising a failing business model.

      It's called FBI, federal courts, police, prisons and eventually military.

      Either YOU are a liar or a very unintelligent person.

    40. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by unity100 · · Score: 1

      That's ridiculous. The liveliest time in the world by far is the modern age. Today there are about 300,000 new books published per year, just in the USA

      thats only because your vision and perception is as shallow as to DIRECTLY compare your contemporary time, with the earlier centuries, as if the circumstances in both centuries are the same.

      excuse me, but it stands on borderline stupid. because it is too easy to perceive the important circumstantial differences in between the times.

      PROPORTIONALITY is important.

      back 300 years ago, there were only few who could engage in arts and sciences, due to the social conditions of the time. and, the technological amenities that makes everything easier today, were not around.

      therefore, any amount of activity per population back at that period, counts much more than any activity per population for this period. , because there were not only smaller population that could engage in these activities, and the geometrically higher difficulty in engaging these. (no printers, no easy internet publishing or physical publishing houses, no typewriters, no computers, nothing).

      the period in between 1750-1850 is the most active period in science and literature in history. and they have had numerous globe-spanning wars, revolutions and bloody massacres in that period. in contrast, the relatively stable and peaceful 1850-2010 period is only dotted with two world wars (granted one in massive scale), but STILL feeding on what was INVENTED back then. what we have are NOT inventions - they are mostly innovations, and reapplications of the principles INVENTED back then. not to mention that most of the world classics date from those periods - the stuff that the people who are authors today, read to mature. even music - a singular person named bach basically 'invented' the western music and its rules, and we are still using those rules and methods in music.

      in short, we are stagnant in regard to INVENTIONS since mid 19th century.

      and guess what - big buck entered the science business and patents became the fad starting 1850.

    41. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Without copyright there are only two choices: secrets or public domain. All of the GPL code would become public domain, but that which is compiled with that code is effectively secret. Without copyright provisions nothing would be able to stop an entity from taking GPLed code and compiling it into another project and then never releasing the source code for that project. Without copyright you might be able to copy around the end result, but you would lack the source code to make any changes to it.

    42. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by brainzach · · Score: 1

      You already have copyright to protect the software you created. No patents are required for a factory to make you disk or market your work.

    43. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Actually it's practically the definition of a compromise.

      We got all the bits of independence that really matter in the general scheme of things, while England got a kind of ceremonial role that enables them to maintain the ties that they want.

      Yes, it's not the American "give us liberty or give us death" stuff, but it works.

    44. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Louis C.K. apparently doesn't see this as a problem, you do. His show is available on torrents and download sites, and he said he understands that risk and is just grateful to people who do end up buying the show for $5. He does have the copyright protection under law, but that's not what he is using in his business model, and he would still end up covering the costs and making all that money without copyright law.

      Also you can buy movies, software, music and other bootleg products all over the world for a couple of bucks a disk or less (it can just be part of your ISP service, that's how it works in many countries - you pay your ISP and they throw in 'perks' like that).

      Of-course there are torrents, etc. So the question then that you should be concerned with becomes: do I have a customer base big enough that a percentage of it will subsidise my work, past and future, by paying some amount of money to me as an 'inventor' and obviously an investor. You INVEST your time/money into something - you are NEVER guaranteed a return (unless you are a big bank and the Fed is printing for you like the trees are going out of style).

      Whether you want to have a contract with a publisher firm - that's up to you signing a contract with them and that's where government DOES have a role - protecting personal freedoms, liberties, but also contracts.

      And the copyrights and patents will be abolished anyway, people will suffer from government trying to save the business models of Hollywood and such in US and in Europe, but people who manufacture and produce the real goods don't care about your copyrights and patents, eventually they are the people with real money, savings and ability to use your material to make money. You want to think about that in reality, you want to appeal to that market BEFORE you use your government force to try and stop that and lose completely with those people.

    45. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anrego · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We have a three party system here in Canada (well, you could argue 4 prior to the previous election) and it's not much better.

      Having multiple options is generally useless when they all kind of point in the same general direction.

      The choice generally comes down to who you think is going to be the gentlest once they've got you over the barrel.

    46. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Without copyright provisions nothing would be able to stop an entity from taking GPLed code and compiling it into another project and then never releasing the source code for that project. Without copyright you might be able to copy around the end result, but you would lack the source code to make any changes to it.

      - sure, in many cases that's what is going to happen, and it's not a problem, it doesn't prevent people from working on free software, it likely would mean that more people would use your software that way and you'll get more market share even through those companies, and it is not written in stone anywhere that without copyrights and patents, companies that are profiting from selling some of that software would absolutely not give anything back at all.

      But again, it's not a problem, not what people make it out to be.

    47. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Guys like roman_mir aim to prevent speech, prevent innovation, and prevent progress by refusing to reward and recognize the justice that creators have the right to their own creations and to make contracts in regards to them.

      - really? I have over 300 DVDs on my computer - all ripped from my own DVDs.

      I don't download or use torrents, in fact if everybody was doing exactly what I am doing, nobody would even know that there are such things as 'IP pirates'.

      Some of the software I build is in public domain, I have copyrights on it obviously under law.

      That said - I am completely against all copyrights and patents because that's a government force destroying my freedom and it's done to give the freedom that I have naturally to somebody who gives money to politicians.

      That's all that matters - freedom stolen.

    48. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by unity100 · · Score: 1

      i am opposed to ownership going over the level of personal items and small belongings. because any further than that, and ownership becomes control. today's big ownerships like megacorporations, conglomerates are no different than feudal lords holding sway over vast domains. noone elects them. and yet they rule over those resources and through them entire fields of life. copyright and intellectual property carries these over into the mental space - so, even people's minds and their creations are being claimed.

    49. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's fine if somebody gets 'bombed' and loses at business - it's a natural consequence of market doing its work, allocating resources in the most efficient manner.

      I never said it wasn't, and you're lying again by implying that I did.

      Copyrights and patents ARE a subsidy, and if you don't understand that concept, I suggest you try and visit this site [megaupload.com], and you will see a nice big government note there, subsidising a failing business model.

      You can call it that, but that won't make it true. You've already admitted that it isn't, by making no effort whatsoever to show that it is.

    50. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Or just formalize what has historically been standard operating procedure for this sort of thing by limiting copyright infringement proceedings to those who profit from the infringement, under the assumption that the small fish aren't worth frying.

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    51. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, those are consequences of political manipulation.

      As capitalism created more investment, people were looking for more opportunities, so more ideas were implemented, which created more capital.

      With more capital, more people decided to replicate the success, which is obviously good for the consumers, but bad for keeping competition out, so the money that was accumulated by the early investors was used to manipulate the political process and introduce ideas of patents and copyrights to create real monopoly situation where none had existed previously.

      Eventually the corruption of power lead to the economic disaster, and now the only 'assets' left are some of these ideas and old implementations (like movies, music, software, books, whatever). So with little money in manufacturing, more money is concentrated in these services instead and more opportunity was seeing in creating even more monopoly where none has existed - the Internet.

      Of-course the real problem is loss of the manufacturing base, so with nothing real to make only virtual goods are left, but their value however high, the prices need to be held higher by artificial means of government power, thus FBI, prisons, courts, DMCA, ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, etc.

      Of-course at the end the economy will be destroyed completely, the laws will reset and these anachronisms of the past will be abolished.

      I am just offering not to wait for the economy to collapse to understand the problem and move on into building sound business models as if the economy is already past that ridiculous artificial hump of copyrights and patents being protected by government force.

      Of-course the real issue is freedom - and nobody should be able to use gov't power to trump individual freedom, no group of people, no matter what.

    52. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Ok, just a stupid person then? FBI note on the site that's shut down is not an indication of government subsidy to a business interest? The courts will be used and prison space will likely be allocated for a few people caught by US gov't military force hanging overhead of other supposedly 'sovereign' nations. After all, it's not that MPAA requested New Zealand to raid and give up the Megaupload owners, it's US government.

      THAT is called a subsidy, you lying crazy person.

    53. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      The ability to infinitely copy something at almost no cost didnâ(TM)t exist for most of human history.

      - yes, and this is the best thing for people ever.

      Next best thing would be ability to copy entire products without manufacturing them, and yes, patents should be abolished and people must not be stopped by government's police, military and judicial systems against doing so.

      Any amount of copying that can take place, virtual products or real ones, the economy wins. Some people decide to subsidise the original author - that's the market making a decision on whether it needs more of that product and more of the new products.

      The entire problem that copyrights and patents used to be 'solving' (that's sarcasm, by the way), disappears as the means of copying become so simple and costs of copying are non-existent.

      The premise that a small content holder cannot compete with a large one is thrown out, everybody can compete on the Internet, exactly because making a copy is nearly free.

      Your idea is: if people invent an object multiplier, the economy will crash!

      The market idea is: when the hell are we going to see object copiers, it's too hard building every copy through a complex and expensive manufacturing process, we need object copiers, so that everybody can have whatever objects.

      The point of the economy is efficient distribution of everything, and that's what free copying achieves on the Internet, and that's what politicians are trying to stop, so are they serving the bigger economy and the people?

      No, of-course not, they are serving special interests, who want to keep the status quo of artificial scarcity as if there is no way to copy the stuff free, and it's nonsense and it will eventually disappear and people will see this point in history as abomination, as it was trying to destroy the most efficient method of distribution of information that we have created so far.

      Cheers.

    54. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is common to argue that intellectual property in the form of copyright and patent is necessary for the innovation and creation of ideas and inventions such as machines, drugs, computer software, books, music, literature and movies. In fact intellectual property is a government grant of a costly and dangerous private monopoly over ideas. We show through theory and example that intellectual monopoly is not necessary for innovation and as a practical matter is damaging to growth, prosperity and liberty.

    55. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Definitions of 'subsidy'

      Note that none of those overlap in any way with what you describe.

      You knew that when you started this thread, and you knew it every time you posted the same thing previously.

      You are lying. The reason that you are lying is because you know you are too stupid to argue your case using the facts.

    56. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by wanzeo · · Score: 1

      This might be stretching the bounds of topic relevance, but since you brought up the military, I thought I would share this.

      It's a video taken three days ago in California of what feels like an endless line of tanks being shipped by train. I found it very rich with symbolism, but as to exactly what, I will leave you to decide for yourself.

    57. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Note that none of those overlap in any way with what you describe.

      - I'll define it for you: government allocated resources used to provide an entity with an unfair advantage in the market place.

      FBI, court system, prison system fall right under the definition.

      Bugger off.

    58. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't get to define it for me. That's another lie on your part.

      Furthermore, copyrights and patents, reasonably applied, do not necessarily provide an unfair advantage, and indeed prevent some more severely unfair advantages.

    59. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by repapetilto · · Score: 1

      Yep, this idea that noone will invent something, improve upon an idea, or share unless they get paid forever is obviously flawed. It is one of those arguments that is so academic it ignores reality.

      Now, does copyright encourage innovation by discouraging trade secrets? That is more a matter of debate. I would say any reasonable copyright will be too complex to function properly. But that may be worth looking at historically. This doesn't necessarily have to be government-issued copyright, but could just be due to contract between different companies.

    60. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by nzac · · Score: 1

      We have a three party system here in Canada (well, you could argue 4 prior to the previous election) and it's not much better.

      Having multiple options is generally useless when they all kind of point in the same general direction.

      Are you sure its not a problem with voters being too stupid or complacent? What voting system do you have?

    61. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by repapetilto · · Score: 2

      What is ownership if not control? How will you enforce the "ownership" of some property if the "owner" cannot control it.

    62. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by repapetilto · · Score: 1

      Haven't you ever done something slightly different than other people, and found it worked better than the way most people were doing? You just innovated.

    63. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      "But it would be best to have a fine-tuned system that actually encouraged invention, instead of stifling it."

      The trouble with any finely-tuned system is that it all goes to hell when you introduce humans. Whether it's copyrights, patents, trademarks, regulations, taxes - any legislation, really - the more complexity you add to cover all of the little loopholes in your system, the more you create opportunities for those with the resources to exploit the permutations and game the system. The result of this singular meta-loophole with its high barrier to entry is inevitably a stifled, discontent populace ruled by an at best ignorant, at worst sociopathic elite. Until the culture either comes to its senses, explodes, or suffocates.

      People keep thinking we can have this perfect system of order. We can't. We're humanity. We're creatures of order AND chaos. We're fallible. We need those little holes to blow off steam, to regulate our culture like the pores in our skin do for our bodies. If we were really as intelligent as we like to believe, we'd be designing their number and placement for optimal flow, but we're just not that smart. Nowhere even remotely close to near that smart, not yet.

      So that fine-tuned system you think we need is exactly the mess we're in right now. And we keep on fine-tuning it, with ever more and more draconian regulations and penalties, repeatedly covering up every damn little loophole that society keeps desperately trying to open so it can just damn breathe.

      What do you think is going to happen next?

    64. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Unoriginal_Nickname · · Score: 1

      The protection of real property (the means of production) is indeed a necessary precondition of having a free market economy. I also agree that copyright and patents can be beneficial for encouraging innovation and creativity, with proper limits.

      Copyrights, trademarks and patents are the government, telling you (as a firm) what you cannot produce. This is literally the opposite of a free market. Your claim that government-granted monopolies are "necessary" to run a free market economy is objectively wrong, as is your assertion that such things are even *comparable* to the protection of real property ownership.

    65. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're talking complete rubbish. Copyright and patent monopolies are thoroughtly incompatible with private property and free market economies. This is not even vaguely debatable.

      http://mises.org/against.pdf

    66. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      that's such a backwards position. So what happens if somebody is more successful than somebody else, you are for using government force against them, to confiscate their possessions?

      Yeah, we had that back in the USSR, didn't work out well.

    67. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I think you are a very unintelligent person ... (note I am not the guy you called short sighted/unintelligent )...

      The creators of new content are entitled to profits every time somebody uses that content ...
      The sharing mentality does not work ...

      In the future this is what I predict:
      Every computer will have a chip that will decrypt any software/movie/etc that it uses ... This chip will be embedded deep in the CPU or motherboard and will have hard coded an asymmetric encryption key ... The creator of a software lets say will have the original version (OV) . When somebody needs that software they will request the creator to encrypt it with the public key (hosted on a server published by the manufacturer of the device) .. of course after paying for it . The OV will be encrypted and sent to the user who can now use it... Copying? Why? The version you have only works on your pc/phone/smart-tv? Decrypting it and re-encrypring it to run on some other device ..well hope you have a few years to spare ... the private key is on the nano-scale chip and nowhere else ...

      Look for a law to make all devices use this system, all other illegal and all software encrypted like this ... in the next 20 years at most ...

    68. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by unity100 · · Score: 1

      simply by democraticizing the ownership concept. ownership concept as we have it is entirely feudal, despite we have made the transition from a feudal political system to democratic. economy is the only place that is derived of feudal society.

    69. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by unity100 · · Score: 1

      im at a failure to understand how someone 'successful' will be able to acquire more possessions that would need to be taken away, in a system which already does not give the ability for individuals to command vast wealth.

    70. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're at a failure to understand pretty much anything, as you constantly prove.

      There is no system that does not give individuals the ability to command vast wealth. Even hardline communism failed miserably at that, and that was a system designed for that express purpose at all costs. There never will be such a system, there never can be, and there never should be. You cannot name one. Ever. Period. Not even in theory. Every attempt you make will be a humiliating failure for you, with no other outcome possible.

    71. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by shiftless · · Score: 2

      back 300 years ago, there were only few who could engage in arts and sciences, due to the social conditions of the time. and, the technological amenities that makes everything easier today, were not around.

      therefore, any amount of activity per population back at that period, counts much more than any activity per population for this period.

      Sorry, your argument is utter nonsense.

      the period in between 1750-1850 is the most active period in science and literature in history

      Ridiculous. TODAY is the most active period in science and literature in history. Or did you think literature only includes books? What we are doing right this very second (exchanging thoughts via formatted paragraphs in a public discussion forum) is a form of literature. Neither literature nor science has decreased in any way, shape, form, or fashion. In fact it has increased substantially, due to the easy and ubiquitous availability of literature and scientific knowledge to anyone who wants it.

      thats only because your vision and perception is as shallow

      What did Confucius say about throwing stones in a glass house?

    72. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by repapetilto · · Score: 1

      I don't really get it, can you explain further or link me? People would hold direct elections to determine who own everything? Seems like there wouldn't be time to be informed on all issues (even less than now).

    73. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I don't understand how that's possible. If Apple didn't provide people with products they wanted, Apple wouldn't grow and would disappear. People own Apple. Is your idea that people shouldn't be allowed to do business to create products other people want?

    74. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the kind of BS that has fucked up this world: You invented NOTHING. You WROTE some software. You wrote some software, you automatically get copyright on it and that's all you should get. You should NOT be able to prevent someone from writing their own version that does basically the same thing, right down to the user interface. You can market it any way you want as long as you understand many, many people will just copy it and not buy it. My advice: sell it or give it away for free but concentrate on making a decent living by charging for support and customization. Do NOT try to make millions, you'll just have a shitty life.

    75. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We need rational thinking where both sides meet half way, not two sides screaming their extremist views at each other... especially as one side has a lot more influence to wield that the other."

      The problem is that the population at large (The side that isn't a corporate lobbyist pushing for outdated business models) has been trying to meet "half way" on this shit for the last half a century or more. The other side knows this. And that's why they demand 500% of what they actually want, accept the 250% given, then come back demanding 500% of that. RINSE. REPEAT.

      You want to meet half way? I agree. However at this point that means the other side GIVING BACK A LOT OF THE SHIT THEY'VE TAKEN. Let's say 0 is where the population is. 100 is where the corporations are. We're already past 80. I refuse to "meet half way" at the 90 mark because 5 years later we'll be "meeting half way" at 95.

    76. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Look at the red border around the note, it has the word "Seized" on it.

      Government seizing assets - property. Is that the idea?

    77. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are /. readers opposed to this?

      Actually, I think /. and the Internet in general is one of the places where anti-copyright/anti-patent feelings are strong.

      It's a lot harder to hear from the anti-copyright side in the fleshy meaty real world.

      And remember, it's one of the place where *ahem* copyright infringement often occur.

    78. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (note: I am the grandparent AC)

      The creators of new content are entitled to profits every time somebody uses that content

      That's every bit as stupid as roman_mir's position. Should I send Stephen King a dollar every time I reread my copy of the The Stand?

    79. Re:Abolish copyrights and patents. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Copyrights are there to give the author protection and revenue. However, if he has been dead for years, and the old copyright duration (17 years or more) has elapse, then is it fair to have that work in the public domain? I think so.

      Here is another quirk. If my granddaughter has a birthday, and we video record it, but while we were doing it, the background music was a copyrighted melody on a DVD which we had playing for the partiy, and we recorded only had a few seconds of play, we have violated the copyright, as we did not have permission to have that background music at the party. And if we upload it to youtube for the scattered family and friends, what then? We can and will get a take-down notice, or be fined for violating the copyright.

      For better or worse, the movie industry is leaving the USA for India (Bollywood). They have a billion population in India alone, who will watch movies, Bollywood arose because they can produce quality products at reasonable cost, and have wider distribution. Hollywood and the recording industry is fighting for survival, as are the text book industry.

      I would like to setup a website where authors could post their e-books, and where they avoid the publisher's large overheads. The same site could serve for music artists, where at least there will be positive commission, as opposed to some artists whose publisher's distribution charges exceed the authors revenues. Copyrights are there to protect publishers, movie studios, RIAA, etc. Gee, when I was 4 or 5, we had a stable in the back of the house, where the milkman kept the horse, and he delivered milk in bottles. He is gone, the local newspaper is almost gone, good radio shows are gone, and video stores are about gone. Copyrights is not going to keep these businesses alive. Time to move on. ACTA, SOPA PIPA, you are going to possibly win on paper, but not in practice. Technology makes you obsolete.

       

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  4. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by kodiaktau · · Score: 1

    Politicians on the cheap 1 USD = 1.015 CAD

  5. the core of what we need to stop in this by RobertLTux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any provisions that can be boiled down to

    A Association Is Collaboration

    B Accusation is Conviction

    needs to result in the bill being killed.

    Linking to %BadContent% should not be a crime per say (unless thats a majority of what you do). And Blunt killing of a server (or server farm) should not even be considered.

    Also there should be a short waiting period (to send a takedown REQUEST to the site owner) before a whole server gets nuked.

    The last thing that should be in any law is if it is found that the complainant acted "In Bad Faith" then he should receive 7/8ths of the punishment that was involved (and be open to CIVIL remedies).
     

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    1. Re:the core of what we need to stop in this by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I agree, but think that a part of SOPA and PIPA had merit. Where that is exactly? Dealing with non-US countries that ignore US copyrights, patents, and laws. Happens all the time in China, Russia, Taiwan, etc..

      I can only assume that other countries run in to the same issues.

      Some people are generally "bad" people. It is a minority, but to believe that everyone is Good given the right motivation is ignorance. As long as they are in your jurisdiction, you can stop them from doing "bad" things to a large extent. When they are not in your jurisdiction, you have to be able to sever their connection to you somehow.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  6. Big surprise by Baloroth · · Score: 1

    Government/ corporations, by and large, don't know how the Internet works, and what they know about it they don't like. And by "government/corporations" I mean almost any government (note the "almost": it is possible that there are exceptions. Notably, this is not limited to the U: the US just happens to be where many of the most powerful corporations, and the most powerful government, exist) and most non-tech corporations (a few do get it, mostly smaller ones or those who have made their living through the Internet). It is simple, really: government cannot control the Internet, which makes the people in power frightened. They don't realize it can't be controlled (at least not without some major reworking, reworking that at this point will only happen over many dead bodies), but they will damn well try. And corporations similarly fear a loss of control.

    Obviously (to the techies) the solution isn't a stick, but a carrot: use the Internet to your advantage. But that would require those in power to change, and those people hate and despise change, since the present order (i.e. their own power) can so easily be destroyed by change.

    What they haven't realized is they lost 10 years ago: we are just now coming to the point where that is becoming obvious to them. The real change just comes slowly. It remains to be seen, of course, whether the new order is better or worse than the old: but you can damn well bet the old will fight tooth and nail to stop it.

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    1. Re:Big surprise by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      They're trying to keep their old business model alive as long as possible.

      Understandable, from the point of view of keeping electronic fund management programs, which buy and sell stock based upon numbers moving in certain directions. Who's going to invest in a studio that gives its films away after the initial Tour de Theatres? The belief is that the really big money is in holding onto the film for 2 or 3 hundred years (where they once burned the originals in the backlot, eh?) Hollywoods is cranking out films far faster than they were 10 years ago - I could keep up with that pace at theatres, but not anymore. Something tells me the real money is made in two installations - initial theatre run and initial DVD sale, after that it's a trickle. But it's still their stuff and they want to hold onto it in pur-pe-tu-ity.

      Time for government to wake up and realize they're being pwned by business. If government doesn't change, then it's up to the people to change the government.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    2. Re:Big surprise by gottspeed · · Score: 1

      "If government doesn't change, then it's up to the people to change the government.".......... Yeah, because that works. Try having a conversation with ten or fifteen people on any subject and you'll realize that the public is by far too disillusioned for any kind of coherent social movement to take place.

  7. SOPA in MY Great White North? by Sparton · · Score: 1

    Not on my watch.

    It was amusing to see so many of my contacts (Canadian, American, and many from the other side of the globe) take an active interest in protesting SOPA. With some interesting changes in the Liberal party direction, we may see a lot of actively useful resistance in informing and combating such measures.

    1. Re:SOPA in MY Great White North? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, except some dillweeds voted for a conservative majority in the last election, so you can oppose anything you want until you're blue in the face - they can still pass it.

    2. Re:SOPA in MY Great White North? by Sparton · · Score: 1

      The fact that crazy left-wingers may actually get their shit together and stop splitting the vote may stop them from doing something that the majority of voters won't like them for.

      I'm not holding my breath, but I don't suspect the Harper Government will be able to keep successive majority governments if they treat most Canadians like complete asshats.

    3. Re:SOPA in MY Great White North? by MechaStreisand · · Score: 1

      God, I hope they can. The Harper government needs to be brought down at any cost. I just have my doubts that it can be, in time. Why do they have to be so evil? I don't understand their crazy desire to do everything the US tells them to, completely against the self-interest of the Canadian people. How can that possibly be good for our country? What is going on in their minds?

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  8. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Direct lobbying like that is illegal in Canada.

  9. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our (Canada's) politicians are less interested in bribes from outsiders than they are in enriching themselves and their friends. The present government are basically a bunch of stereotypical dumb jocks that treat our country like their own private frat house. Their boss, Stephen Harper, lets them all caper around, knowing that they are all to stupid to ever threaten his leadership, and only asks that they support his primary goal of destroying the liberal party.

  10. History Repeating itself -Over and Over! by na1led · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why does Tyranny always come back to societies over and over. Seems throughout history, humans just can't put an end to dictatorship rule! All these new laws are being put in place to control our lives until we all become puppets on a string.

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    1. Re:History Repeating itself -Over and Over! by unity100 · · Score: 2

      thats because people are self-indulged, self-centered. in an environment such as this, the most self-centered get ahead.

    2. Re:History Repeating itself -Over and Over! by deblau · · Score: 1

      Why does Tyranny always come back to societies over and over. Seems throughout history, humans just can't put an end to dictatorship rule! All these new laws are being put in place to control our lives until we all become puppets on a string.

      Look in the mirror. If you have to ask the question, then you aren't out fighting the dictators, so it's your fault.

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      This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
  11. Abuse by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    This is simply abuse on the opposite side of the spectrum of copyright law. Copyrights and patents have a real use to help foster the inventor but when it is abused in sue for profit schemes and the like, it is time for reform, not abolition. The patent and the copyright, as our forefathers envisioned, was not for the major, global corporation but for the small time inventor. Maybe patents should not be allowed to be granted to corporations and universities but individuals.

  12. Like the fscking undead... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    they just will NOT quit... remember folks... we have to be lucky ALL the time, they only have to get lucky once...

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  13. decentralized dns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    we need decentralized dns,
    and then sopa and pipa will be pretty hard to achieve

    now with ipv6 knocking on the door (or rather busting it with a kick), the Internet can accept more dramatic changes
    DNS should be the next thing that must be changed

    1. Re:decentralized dns by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      If you are running in a *nix environment simply run your own dns server problem solved,
      next.

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    2. Re:decentralized dns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you don't own the root servers
      so when they decide to stop pointing to gtld for your-domain.com, you dont have anything

  14. SOPA is not dead by clarkkent09 · · Score: 1

    If you want a bill to pass you write is with a few outrageous things added that people can get all upset about. Then you remove those additions and get it passed in the form you originally wanted anyway. Its a standard procedure.

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    Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
  15. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    If you look at the global rankings, http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/, Canada's politicians are rated higher than US ones, which means less corrupt, and therefore, more expensive.

    In Uzbekistan they are really cheap, but what would you do with your bought politicians there?

    Those Scandinavians will cost you a bundle . . .

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    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  16. Hope the Canadians fight it by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    No more sure sign of a Bought Government than one which acts against the best interests of its people.

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:Hope the Canadians fight it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No more sure sign of a Bought Government than one which acts against the best interests of its people.

      Yeah, well, US foreign policy has pretty much been on the side of ramming this down other countries' throats and then arguing for parity domestically.

      It was US politicians pushing for ACTA, so, maybe it's time for some Americans with guns to start fixing their own domestic problems ... because they're sure as fuck becoming everyone else's problem.

      Your content industries are out of control, and won't stop until they have wiped out the internet and general purpose computing.

      With American politicians pushing for laws that make their own law extra-territorial, it's hard not to squarely blame America as one of the biggest threats to national sovereignty most countries are currently faced with. I'd like to see another country to extradite an American for something he did which was perfectly legal in America ... because we all know that the US is currently doing exactly that.

      And it's why the rest of the world is increasingly pissed off at America and doesn't give a fuck any more.

      America has become that tedious guest at a party who just won't leave.

  17. We need copyright and patent more than ever... by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...just not as it is currently implemented.

    Terms of 7/14/20/28 years may still be appropriate, as the rise of technology has made duplication of intellectual works easier to copy and disseminate. Those who create content are no longer concerned about a dozen possible sources of competition in duplication, but tens of millions. The ease of publishing and typical shelf life should, actually, serve to reduce - not extend - copyright and patent terms, as the ability to bring a product to mass market is on a significantly shorter timescale than 200 years ago.

    Interestingly, there are methods in place which provide for (almost) easy compliance with copyright laws. but they apply to only the narrowest slice of content. I'm talking about mechanical licensing fees - 10c per physically recorded track or permanent digital download. Problem is, it only applies to the composer of music, and only to mechanical rights. Not to arrangement. Not to synchronization (video). Not to masters (people performing the work). Not to written or spoken work. Not to images. Not to video clips. Not to patents.

    The biggest problem is not the existence of patents and copyright, but the byzantine implementation and licensing, and the one-sided legislation which is being written to perpetuate these institutions.

    IP laws are a good thing; the way they are implemented is flawed.

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    1. Re:We need copyright and patent more than ever... by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me put in simple terms: the majority of the planet does not care about copyright and patent law, and with less and less economic power being held by those who care and with more and more economic power being held by those who do not, this problem will eventually cease to exist, but so will the economies that use government power to protect business models and sell people's freedoms for re-election.

    2. Re:We need copyright and patent more than ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..just not as it is currently implemented.

      Hmm. Sounds like the True Scotsman Problem .

      Do you really believe that copyright and patent could be implemented without leading to the abuses we see today? I don't.
       

      IP laws are a good thing

      That has never been proven. In fact it may be one of those things which is impossible to prove. I take your statement as a matter of faith. Yours, that is. Myself, I dont believe it. The existence of the internet changes everything.

  18. The SOPA pushers can just screw off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it were to pass it (unlikely). I, and many others, would ignore, and help others to as well. Every single attempt to strangle people on the net has blown up in the PTB's faces.

  19. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by NIK282000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't matter how much more expensive it is to buy politicians here, the Canadian government will without fail just follow along with what ever the US tell it to do. Why else would it sell oil lumber and power to the US at a loss?

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  20. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for slashdot

    http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=%22imaging+radars%22&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=on

    http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&q=%22imaging+sonars%22&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

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    http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&q=%22penetration%22+%2B%22radar%22+%2B%22imaging%22&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

    http://www.cheniere.org/images/EMfndns1/EMwave2%20sm.jpg

    http://www.cheniere.org/images/weapons/TPlznIntsm.jpg

    http://www.math.washington.edu/~gunther/publications/Papers/siamreviewfinal.pdf

    http://www.math.washington.edu/~gunther/publications/Papers/wormhole_cmp_final.pdf

    http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0607418.pdf

    http://www.qudev.ethz.ch/content/courses/QSIT09/pdfs/Nielsen1998.pdf

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.17.9667

    http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=%22optical+nuclear+magnetic+resonance%22&aq=f&aqi=g-v1&aql=&oq=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=38c10a09e68d8863&biw=800&bih=507

    http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22optical+nmr%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=38c10a09e68d8863&biw=800&bih=507

  21. See, there IS a war going on. by unity100 · · Score: 1

    And the war is being perpetuated by a certain very small minority in united states, against ALL the peoples of different nations, through the influence and usage of the intermediary groups that are also minority in their countries.

    this is not democracy. this is, flat out class war. the only ones not acknowledging that there is a class war, are us, the majority.

    1. Re:See, there IS a war going on. by brainzach · · Score: 1

      You are in the minority.

      Most people believe in intellectual property laws to some extent. They might not agree with the RIAA suing teenagers for billions of dollars, but they also don't think you have a right to download all the movies you want without paying for them.

      There is some rational reasons why there should be stronger piracy laws and there are also rational concerns why the laws can be abused and limit freedom of the Internet. Just because some politicians don't agree with you, doesn't mean they are trying to destroy you.

    2. Re:See, there IS a war going on. by unity100 · · Score: 2

      Most people believe in intellectual property laws to some extent.

      and there is our problem. that is creating the grounds for exploitation.

      for, these people are causing us to play on home ground of the exploiter. let me picture it with an analogy :

      the stance of these people resembles people who believed in aristocracy and feudalism, but thought that nobles should not abuse the people.

      as long as you play in their ground, they will have the upper hand.

    3. Re:See, there IS a war going on. by brainzach · · Score: 2

      If I write my own book, I believe that no one should be able to steal my work and profit off of it without my permission. If I write a piece of software, I have the right to choose to open source it or sell it to others. Good luck convincing me and the masses that they shouldn't profit off their own work.

      There are legitimate concerns about the SOPA and the current IP laws, but not one is going to care that you feel exploited because you can't download Skyrim or the latest Twilight Saga for free. I am sure the serfs and slaves under the feudal system can empathize with your plight.

  22. The reasons are obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Positions of power must exist in order for humans to organize themselves. Civilization is logically dependent upon such positions.

    People who desire positions of power tend to put effort into attaining them, whereas people who have no such desires tend not to expend such effort (or even to put effort into avoiding the responsibility).

    Most motivations for desiring positions of power are either the maximization of personal profit, or the purely corrupt desire to control others. Not all, just most.

    So, since power is mostly attained by people who desire it, and most people who desire it do so for harmful self-serving reasons, over time *all* positions of power wind up saturated with corruption.

    The only attempts that have been made to prevent this boil down to:

    1) divide the government out into multiple branches to avoid concentration of corruption
          a) this fails because the branches can simply find ways to align their corrupt interests, and cooperate in their evil.
    2) empower the people to hold their government accountable for their corruption (through voting and legal actions)
          a) this fails because most people are both too stupid and too busy (working for a living + raising a family takes a LOT of time) to actually do this.
          b) also fails because, over time, the powerful use their power to introduce ever more ways to keep their actions secret or otherwise avoid accountability.
    3) regularly rotate non-power-hungry civilians into positions of power
          a) this fails because said civilians do a piss-poor job of living up to the unwanted responsibility, resulting in chaos. e.g. athens.

    So, to summarize:

    those who remember history are doomed to watch it be repeated.

    1. Re:The reasons are obvious by Krokus · · Score: 1

      4. Create a document that establishes rules for preventing the abuse of power by the government.
                a) this fails because, as it turns out, the powerful think the Constitution makes pretty darn fine arse-wipe.

    2. Re:The reasons are obvious by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      A few policies would severely curtail this stuff from happening.

      1) Term limits are firm and uncompromising. One term of x years, that's it. My logic on this is while some presidents have done good with 2 terms (Clinton, FDR (3!), etc.) it's way more likely that they will do a lot more damage during their second term. Imagine how different the world would be if Bush were defeated in 2004.

      2) Holding another job (especially another political office, such as being both a state senator and a county sheriff - some guys in NJ hold three or four of these jobs at the same time!) while serving your term in office is illegal.

      3) All politicians will receive a reasonable pension (adjusted for the cost of living) that is equivalent to their salary for the rest of their life. (While there is such a thing as a "low paying government job", it is very, very rarely an elected position.) In exchange, politicians (once elected) may never be employed in any fashion whatsoever ever again. (Volunteering and things of the sort are fine.) This (relatively) small cost will immediately kill any chances of a politician landing a cushy job in an industry that they currently have oversight over. This can never be revoked - even if the politician commits a felony - so as to prevent politicians from doing the cost/benefit analysis and serving a year in jail so they can then work 30 years as a board member for a company.

      4) You know how in contests they say that immediate family of the company running the contest are forbidden from entering it? Same thing, but with politics. No first ladies backdooring into a Presidency. No senate wives ending up as a Representative. This will help reduce the modern nobility (such as the Kennedys) as the only option available would be to skip a generation. Moreover, their immediate families would be banned for working for any company or subsidiary of a company that has any current or future government contracts and/or receives any government subsidies.

      5) All politicians finances - past, present, and future - are a matter of public record (sans information that could be used to steal an identity. This rule stays in effect for the duration of their term as well as the rest of their lives. Any mysterious $100,000 deposits will be investigated by a special branch of the IRS intended to watch the politician's pocketbooks like a hawk. The same goes for their immediate family per the previous nepotism rule.

      6) There will be absolutely zero "Closed Door" meetings in any respect, including sessions of Congress, with the exception of meetings involving "State Secrets". "State Secrets" will be determined by an independent civilian commission that has authority over Congress and the military in this respect, so no more of the "Everything is classified/state secrets" strategy. That same civilian commission sits in on all closed sessions and answers to no one - if they feel it is heinous enough they have every right to disclose information to the public.

      7) All Congressional sessions are videotaped and publicly available on the Internet in realtime. The entire archive is viewable at any time for anyone anywhere around the world. In a similar note, those "regular" television channels will be adjusted slightly. Every television station is required to carry the equivalent of C-SPAN with a 24 hour feed into the respective chambers of Congress, the House of Representatives, and the local state legislature and transmit it both digitally and over-the-air.

      8) All bills that are to be submitted for law have to follow set standards for font size, spacing, margins, etc. Once a bill is completely put together, it is "locked in" and unamendable. The bill cannot be voted on for 3 + n days, where n is the number of pages of the bill. This is to give the politicians time to actually *read* the bills and keep any last minute "ram the vote through" sessions like the second round of the bank bailouts. If the vote in either house fails, the bills must be re-written completely fresh. Only one

    3. Re:The reasons are obvious by na1led · · Score: 1

      Maybe we just need Intervention! A catastrophe (like a global Blackout), Aliens, or something.

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  23. The EU will hinder the Irish SOPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all it needs is one complaint about the lack of due process and the European Court of Human Rights will get involved.
    That will tie the Dublin Gov up for 3-5 years at a minimum.
    Oh, and the Court's judgement is binding. Eire can't afford the fines unless the likes of Microsoft, Oracle and Adobe who all use the Republic as a Tax Haven suddenly start paying their due taxes.

    That is as likely as George W getting a 3rd term as US President.

  24. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Yes, bribery is "illegal" in the U.S. too--wink, wink.

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  25. 22000 percent ROI not enough for you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/01/06/144737864/forget-stocks-or-bonds-invest-in-a-lobbyist

    Lobbying in the US bring a return on investment of around 22 thousand percent. And you want a discount? Now you're just being greedy.

  26. Canadian Campaign Financing by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sorry to taint a vitriolic stereotype-ridden debate with facts, but the fact is part of the reason lobbying isn't as effective in Canada is we enacted stringent campaign finance reform a number of years ago. ...something the USA woefully needs.

    From http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/federal-campaign-finance-laws-canada:/

    - Only Canadian citizens and permanent residents may make contributions to registered parties, registered electoral district associations, leadership and nomination contestants of registered parties, and all candidates.

    - Individual contributions to these political participants are limited to a maximum of $1,000 annually (adjusted for inflation).

    - Individuals may also make contributions that do not exceed $1,000 (adjusted for inflation) in total per contest to the leadership contestants of a registered political party. This is an aggregate cap applying to all the contributions given by one individual to all leadership contestants in the same leadership contest.

    - Corporations, trade unions, and other unincorporated associations are prohibited from making contributions to registered parties, registered electoral district associations, leadership and nomination contestants of registered parties, and all candidates.

    Yes, you read that right ONE THOUSAND BUCKS. Makes it pretty tricky to buy your MP.

    1. Re:Canadian Campaign Financing by IamGarageGuy+2 · · Score: 2

      As a canadian, I think that you are being a little naive about "contributions", considering the reality that a leadership campaign can cost millions of dollars to run. Monetery donations are not the only donations and after all the vast majority of individuals in parliament are lawyers that have spent their careers creating and circumventing laws.

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    2. Re:Canadian Campaign Financing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty tricky Legally that is

    3. Re:Canadian Campaign Financing by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Tricky, sure, but nowhere near impossible.

      Rather than giving the money to their campaign, you give it to family members, in the form of low-work, high pay jobs. Or employ the MP in a similar position after they get their asses booted from office.

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    4. Re:Canadian Campaign Financing by Semptimilius · · Score: 3, Informative

      Donations and campaign finance rules do nothing to prevent MPs from using their time creating laws (or just general behind the scenes work) benefiting an industry/company/etc., then receiving compensation after leaving Parliament. I think this is an exceptionally malignant form of corruption that currently exists in Canadian politics.
       
      Perhaps I'm just not thinking of it the right way, but I can't picture our government supporting such ideas as SOPA as being anything other than from some form of corruption. Perhaps I'm giving our MPs too much credit in their ability to sit back and think of the consequences and, well, just the philosophical basis of the laws.

    5. Re:Canadian Campaign Financing by failedlogic · · Score: 2

      I don't know if you actually live in Van right now (I did). And I've also live in Ottawa.

      Spend a few years in Ottawa and review your post. Observe what goes on. Need I add, work in government? I can almost guarantee that your post while probably factually correct is not reality.

      As someone else has already replied, politicians are for the most part all lawyers. Lobbiests are lawyers as well. Mash the two brains together and they will come up with very legal ways to get around the laws. Remember that they wrote them and can rewrite them to their satisfaction.

    6. Re:Canadian Campaign Financing by Sonic+McTails · · Score: 2

      The United States had such a law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act

        It was struck down by Supreme Court on First Amendment grounds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission

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    7. Re:Canadian Campaign Financing by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I actually like these rules.

      Not that they will help much in this regard, since Canada can easily be bullied by US politicians.

  27. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the US, you can campaign directly to an individual. In Canada, you can not.

  28. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I agree with much of this, I don't think they had to put deliberate effort into destroying the Liberal party. The Liberals kind of imploded on themselves without the help of Stephen Harper and his gang.

  29. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very true, that's why they resort to:

      - Secret high-paying, low effort jobs available after they're done working at the government.
    and
      - Repeated "Discussion" times at expensive all-inclusive golf resorts, family and friends invited, of course.

  30. Does this mean.. by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

    Does this mean we need to organise more blackouts?

    I'd like to see google actually blackout properly, like wikipedia did....

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  31. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by lurker1997 · · Score: 1

    You're right of course, the Liberals largely destroyed themselves and the implosion really got started a long time ago. However, this didn't stop the Conservatives from doing everything they could to crush the Liberals into the ground. Infighting within the Liberal party, and taking for granted that their historical successes would continue into the future caused the party to implode. Harper wants to ensure that the now-crippled party will never re-emerge as anything more than a joke.

  32. I said it elsewhere... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    ... and I'll say it again here...

    There was an international cooperation of people running websites all over the world protesting SOPA in the USA... how many will do likewise for Canada?

  33. SOPA / PIPA around the World by Evisscerator · · Score: 1

    The Lawyers who are pushing this agenda should be put on the Big Red Boat and allowed to sink with it in the middle of the shark infested ocean. The Movie and Music Industry need to get a grip and embrace OPEN SOURCE ideas instead of their GREEDY quagmire of DOLLARS !

  34. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by morgauxo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have you seen what the US does to countries that don't?

  35. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by NIK282000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Move in for 10 years, mess up the place and then give up?

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  36. I wish good luck to *AA with SOPA and PIPA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May all their efforts be fruitful and all their lobbied laws come to pass, no matter how despicable themselves -- and the purchased politicians.

    Maybe then Japan's animation, India's cinema and music from may countries will get the chance they deserve.

    Good luck, dear *AAs!

  37. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Formalin · · Score: 1

    Because we haven't had a PM that wasn't afraid to tell the US to sit and spin since Trudeau. shame. Every one since has been a train of US appeasers, of various levels.

  38. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Exactly. The US has much laxer standards for what's considered corrupt than other 1st world countries. It's pretty much expected that you can buy politicians with donations in the US.

  39. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1 sad but true

    God I've been hating this country more and more. It's trying so goddamn hard to be as bad as the USA, or even pushing to be worse. Voting for non-standard parties doesn't do anything (despite my best efforts), as can be seen by the fact that the Green party is all but irrelevant. Not that I'd expect them to be different on the large scale than the 'usual' anyway... but I wouldn't mind seeing the canadian government fail the public in a different way for once.

    And the internet blackout has already done it's one run... it'll never happen again. Even lesser so in Canada, where basically all of the relevant companies that participated are in the USA.

    No, this'll push through virtually unhindered. People will scream and yell about it, but that doesn't do sweet fuck all. Unless it's a large number of massive companies that decide to fight it, it'll go through. And there IS no large number of massive companies in Canada that would oppose it.

    Just wait though. The second it passes in Canada, the USA will use that as a stepping stone to say "Canada has greater protection laws than the USA! We must follow their example and pass SOPA, for it is glorious! We can't let Canada be more technologically superior than us!"

    So basically, this is going to pass no matter what, and the USA will follow shortly thereafter.

    Yet another present from Canada to our neighbours to the South. Enjoy.

  40. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh c'mon, Harper has a mandate from 39% of the people to do whatever the hell he pleases.

  41. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

    So basically, this is going to pass no matter what, and the USA will follow shortly thereafter.

    In a sense, the US has more checks and balances than the Canadian Parliamentary system. When it comes down to it, Parliament has almost no limit to its power, and can in principle pass whatever it chooses to. The only consolation is that Parliament is composed of a group of hopefully disinterested individuals (my tongue is planted gently in my cheek, but I think the idea is that the diversity of their individual interests will somewhat cancel out). Three hundred collective dictators are likely better than one.

    So yes the bill will likely pass. And heaven help us. Sixty percent of voters voted against Harper, but the Canadian system still gives him power.

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  42. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Vanderhoth · · Score: 2

    Actually Jean Chrétien told the Bush to go to hell when he tried to get us activaly involved in the middle east back in 2003. We already had peace keepers there anyway. Then we had Paul Martin that took the fall for Chrétien and the liberals spending scandal. Then Harpper was elected 2006 and put Canada into an offiensive position to kiss up to Bush.

  43. and ? by unity100 · · Score: 1

    did you think i didnt know he was the founder and first president of patent office ? where do you think his ideas against patents are taken from ?

  44. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by MicktheMech · · Score: 2

    Lobbying an MP in Canada is nowhere near as useful as lobbying one in the US. If an MP defies the party line in a vote of any consequence it becomes a major scandal. So, unless you make that cheque out to a certain Mr. Harper you're wasting your money.

  45. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by rtb61 · · Score: 2

    Parliamentary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliment are more fluid in governance and leaders are subject to much more public exposure. Especially when the is a minority government and a third party tends to end up with control (the leading opposition party always tends oppose). The leader, the prime minister can be replaced in public opposition grows to strong, this provides the opportunity for the party to attempt to rebuild it's reputation with another leader. Overall it seems to function better than directly electing the executive and the legislative.

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  46. Juicy target by wiedzmin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh that's a very good investment by the copyright trolls, none of the content available in the US is available in Canada (Hulu, some YouTube videos, Netflix titles, Kindle titles and collections, you name it). You couldn't get it by paying for it, even if you really wanted to, so it's a prime market for piracy. Also, Canadians pay a levy on recordable media, so it's legal for them to create "backups" of things for "personal use"... good place to try to make some money in lawsuits and seizures.

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  47. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Ironhandx · · Score: 2

    They put Stephan Dione and then Michael Ignatius in as leaders. To be honest, I don't even know who the liberal leader IS at the moment and I don't really care.

    I'm voting NDP next election. The liberals can't get their act together, and anyone that isn't pants-on-head retarded is better than harper.

    Its the harper government thats trying to get all of this various legislation pushed through for their corporate buddies.

    The Chretien government said "No. We'll put a tax on blank media, because we agree that it will be primarily used to copy your works. We'll let you have control over the distribution of that tax to the artists whom you represent. We are not however installing any laws that would give you any kind of direct control over the Canadian people"

    The Harper Government says "Wait, how big was the yacht you mentioned is under construction and will be done just in time for my planned retirement?"

  48. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

    Sigh, teach me not to proof read - Michael Ignatieff.

    One of the most despised people in canadian politics. A lot of Ontario voted conservative simply because they hated Ignatieff so badly.

  49. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by shiftless · · Score: 1

    So they put cameras in each candidate's house to make sure nobody hands him any envelopes full of money?

  50. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by shiftless · · Score: 1

    So basically, this is going to pass no matter what, and the USA will follow shortly thereafter.

    And your fucking defeated, negative attitude is helping things how?

    You had a choice when you posted this comment--you could either post something that would urge people to not accept this bullshit infringement on their liberty, or like a coward you could just agree with your masters that the battle for freedom is already lost, and in the process influence others to agree and give up too...."they got us beat! everyone give up the fight now and things will go easier for us!"

    How about next time thinking about the actual effect of your words before opening your mouth? Whose side are you on, exactly? If you don't have anything positive to say that in some way promotes freedom, then don't say anything.

  51. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    excellent and factually correct incredibly short and to the point summary ! +42

  52. Freenet, Tor and similar by hughbar · · Score: 1

    Personally, I'm old and cynical and believed these threats would come as the internet [well, the web mainly] became more dominated by commercial forces. So I think the answer for 'us' is encryption everywhere and structures and tools like Tor: https://www.torproject.org/ and Freenet: http://freenetproject.org/ I know that many people on here know about these, but links for those that don't.

    It's no accident that the USA tried and tries to place export limits on encryption methods and tools.

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  53. The US media can FUCK RIGHT OFF! by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Jackboot your own people, and get the FUCK out of Canada!

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  54. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Xest · · Score: 1

    "Those Scandinavians will cost you a bundle . . ."

    That or they're just better at hiding it.

    The US didn't seem to find cost prohibitive in buying the original pirate bay raid, the pirate bay show trial, the prosecutor in the Assange case, or even the Swedish PM judging by his public prejudgemental comments about the guilt of Assange. Perhaps Sweden is an anomally though and Norway, Iceland, and Finland just keep the average up?

  55. SOPA and PIPA sounds fishy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is that, both names sounds like fellatio in Hungarian? Is this some inside joke?

  56. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Xest · · Score: 2

    This is the way "democracy" works in the UK too.

    Under our FPTP system parties are often elected to be given effective 100% of power in parliament with sometimes as little as 30% of the public vote. Then, when parties are in power, they form a cabinet, which is basically 10 - 20 or so people with the PM at the top, the PM heavily influences the cabinet, but then what the rest of the part things is irrelevant as if they want to push something through they can use the whip, which largely forces MPs to vote along the lines the cabinet wants.

    So basically, in the UK, 30% of the public vote is enough to give a small clique - the cabinet - effective 100% of control over how the country should go.

    It's obviously not healthy, and is precisely why corruption is such a big problem (i.e. see the recent phone hacking stuff, the expenses scandal, and so on) - when you give a handful of people so much power, based on so little support, and leave no real counter to that power, then of course they'll get drunk on it and take bribes, because they know there's no one with the power to stand up to them. On some issues the Lords may intervene, but now that government has succeded in replacing the hereditary Lords with Lords chosen by MPs to a great extent then they've actually removed the semi-independance that hereditary peers even if not democratic, brought to the Lords. This is not to say I think hereditary peers are ideal of course, but simply that by allowing governments to install their own puppets in there instead, you remove the whole point of the Lords - a check and balance against bad government.

  57. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by dintech · · Score: 1

    US lobbyists are absolute fucking cretins. At least the China and Iran stick their firewall on their side instead of buggering everyone else with it.

  58. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're referring to Iraq, that place was screwed up LONG before 2002. Nerve gas anyone?

  59. Halfway there... by earls · · Score: 1

    And that's halfway to Roman_Mir's solution. Laws should be black and white, that's just another gray area.

    1. Re:Halfway there... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      It's actually nowhere near halfway. Anyone with common sense can tell that a free, pirated copy of a DVD does not pay the author. By contrast, it is extraordinarily difficult for someone to determine whether an unauthorized commercial exploitation of a work pays the author anything or not. That's a fairly fundamental difference between the two types of exploitation.

      Put another way, if commercial piracy were legal, it would not be feasible to make money off of any creative work unless it was unique and sold for huge sums of money. You could sell a painting for ten grand, sure, but you could never sell a novel for ten grand; most creative works can only earn their creators a living if sold in quantity.

      If commercial exploitation of a work without a license were legal, then there would be nothing stopping every business that sells your work from doing so without a license and paying you nothing. There would be no way for the consumer to know that you were not getting money, thus there would be no pressure on those resellers to behave ethically. Therefore, taken to its logical conclusion, such a system would pay you at or near zero for your work.

      By contrast, a system that prohibits commercial exploitation but allows noncommercial exploitation would guarantee that anyone buying a copy of your work would actually be giving you money. I'd like to believe that most people are honest and would choose to buy a copy of a work that they enjoyed to support the author. Therefore, I would expect this system o act very similarly to the way the current system does, except that there would be more piracy (but not fewer sales), which translates into broader exposure, and in the long run, more sales.

      Therefore, IMO, noncommercial piracy is a much less important thing to protect against than commercial piracy. One potentially eliminates payment from people who probably would not have paid for the creative work anyway. The other potentially eliminates payment from everyone, including those who want to pay for that creative work.

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  60. We in Canada are in real trouble then.. by doccus · · Score: 1

    We're in trouble, because traditionally, public outcry has never gotten any unpopular legislation changed here. It simply does not happen. Our representatives do not represent their constituencies, when in the governing party, but rather their party.. A vote of conscience , against the party line, will get you booted out of the party, and probably the cabinet. We all know who our current government works for, and here's a hint.. it's not the poor guy on the street corner, or the old pensioner in a dilapidated one room suite, for 900$ a month. I'd suggest checking in with Michel Geist's page, as he may have the most up to date info on how to keep draconian laws from being implemented.. We do not have an effective bill of rights to be worked around,.. the most oppressive legislation can easily be passed here.. Unless, of course,, all of you fellow Canadians *want* a SOPA like bill, passed here...

  61. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't be so hard on the Americans their cognitive capabilities are steched pretty thin these days: No more just watchin the corn grow and the sun set and rise.

  62. Don't Send SOPA to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wrote a petition for this issue if anyone would like to sign.
    You can search "Dont send SOPA to Canada" on the Care2 petition site if the link doesn't work.

    If the rumors are true, and likely they are, it's shameful for the U.S. to go behind the scenes to try to sneak SOPA in on Canada's C-11.

    If the music industry really needs protection, then there has to be a better way to do it. If a country has to try to sneak in a provision, then what does that tell you about it?

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/dont-send-SOPA-to-Canada/
    Read more: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technology/What+SOPA+means+Canada/6019152/story.html#ixzz1t5Hk2MH9

  63. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by drcesteffen · · Score: 1

    You might try suggesting something like the following: If your motivation in the SOPA/PIPA legislation was to stem the tide of counterfeit goods by blocking the marketing of suspected counterfeit goods on the internet and the ability to order the suspected counterfeit goods via the internet, then I would like to suggest an alternative. In my view, preventing traffic in counterfeit goods is primarily a smuggling prevention problem. Assumptions: 1. It may be legal in some countries to make counterfeits of materials/works which are protected by copyright in other countries. 2. It is still illegal to smuggle the counterfeit works into the country where it is protected by copyright or other intellectual property laws. 3. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (http://www.cbp.gov/) has the task of regulating the flow of goods across the border. 4. The ports or entry which include internet-pipes-entering-the-country, airports, sea ports, and the border roads intersecting the border, are the natural place o interdict products ordered or smuggled via the internet. 5. Some items are for profit some are not for profit. 6. Some items are delivered over the internet others are not delivered over the internet. The copyright holder could give a vendor a unique digitally signed certificate for each copy of a electronic song or book for which a royalty had been paid. The U.S. Customs would provide one of the keys for the signature and the copyright holder would provide the other key. When a sale occurred over the internet and before the download could occur, it would have to pass U.S. Customs. To pass U.S. Customs the vendor would have to provide evidence (The certificate from the copyright holder.) that the royalties for the copy of the electronic song or book had been paid. The copyright holder would have to let U.S. Customs know when the certificates were issued or the U.S. Customs would have to verify the certificate with the copyright holders website as listed in the certificate. U.S. Customs and Border control could test vendors sites by placing an order and verifying the certificates. If the vendor did not supply the certificates the U.S. Customs would then have to notify the website/company that their products were held up in customs and post a banner across the internal-to-the-U.S. website stating that the website is not compliant with U.S. Customs and shipping of the product may be held up in customs pending proof of compliance with U.S. intellectual property laws. Possibly, new orders from within the U.S. could be disabled. Possibly, SSL (Secure Sockets Layer starting with https) sites related to the ordering of products could be blocked. Since purchasers don't want to send unencrypted credit card information over the internet, this would block new orders. Alternatively, once the banner is there, state that future orders through the website may make the buyer/downloader subject to payment of the royalties to the copyright holder. Perhaps, require that the buyer purchase the royalty certificate from the copyright holder independently of the download/purchase from the vendor. Perhaps hold up the credit card transactions at the border pending proof of intellectual property law compliance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Signature_Algorithm Similarly, the production and sale of drugs would require signed certificates of production and testing from the approved factory and labs, which tested the products, to be allowed entry into the U.S. I would also ban the practice of rebranding without verification of the product quality via an independent lab. I believe that newspaper marketing, magazine marketing, radio marketing, TV marketing, and physical stores are not required to verify the accuracy of statements in their advertisements. Why should the internet marketers have to do so? Often times, the internet marketers are intermediaries or rese

  64. Re:How much is a political bribe in Canadian dolla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a brother-in-law