I wish I could print that out and read that while I'm jogging today. I could read that for hours and still laugh.:) I could run a marathon and not even realize it.
Yes. It does. You need to make one important change. Remove the buzzphrase (IP) "multi-level marketing", making the first sentence of the second paragraph: "The fraudsters behind a pyramid scheme may go to great lengths to make the program look like a legitimate program."
Holy cow you mods are such weenies. You're killing Next Up with overrated. What is this? A coup? Are you jealous because I started claiming IP before you even thought of it?
What gives? Bunch of weirdos... all of you.
*blows you a big fat raspberry*
Don't think I haven't watched you do this before. You're so childish that it's amusing each and every time.
If software companies want to absolve themselves of all responsibility using EULAs then, unless they make it a primary goal to code flawless software, they must recognize that someone else is going to get stuck with the support work. In today's proprietary software society it is a business assumption that a significant percentage of the support will be performed by non-contract field agents (I'll claim the NCFA trademark IP now). They know that we do their work for them and they know there's no legal requirement that they pay us.
If someone's machine is brought to a halt because IE had a bug that's MS's responsibility. MS shirks the responsibility by relying on NCFAs to fix a majority of the problem. FOSS is a different story. There's no problem with Firefox exploits. There's no money exchanged, the source was free and open, and it's understood that it's still in development.
Companies which require monetary payment for known buggy software must be required to foot the bill for maintenance. Can Dell or HP send their support bill back to MS for compensation every quarter? Can I submit my bill back to Dell or HP? There is currently no great secret that software is released in a beta state. Under FOSS this isn't a problem because one recognizes that they're receiving the software for free. If monetary payment is required for the software, though, someone had better be liable when I spend my time and expertise fixing their idiocy.
If you define portable document format as requiring multiple pages then Adobe still doesn't have a monopoly except in distribution of publication. For normal everyday business office use I would much rather pass around an editable.doc. Yes, that's MS-Word, because it comes with MS-Office, and it's ubiquitous.
That brings me back to my original point. If MS wants to stay in the game it needs to focus more thought on improving and solidifying their core product: the OS and the Office suite. I'll now claim IP on the S4I method of achieving business success, simplify, standardize, secure, improve.
"Described in this invention is a method for outlining the various stages of business development to achieve a centennial business model of stability and profitability."
You could almost be correct if there weren't free OSs available without built-in adware. If that were true, though, then it would be more a system of screwing the customer. I can buy a car without ad logos painted on the sides. My desk doesn't have ad-logos burned into the wood. People buy houses without selling their outer walls for ad space. My stereo equipment has no visible branding except for the manufacturer which I chose.
Advertising, on computers, is a sick example of milking it for everything it's worth. It's a pyramid scheme. It has to be--no other product line in the world needs to sell itself out to advertising to this extent. Even major entertainment sports only sell the space around the stadium. Except for racing cars. Hmmmm...
but now that Microsoft wants to compete with the monopoly Adobe has on the portable document market, it's a bad thing?
Just what monopoly is that? People have been gif'ing, jpg'ing, tiff'ing, ps'ing, etc. pages for years... not to mention the novel concept of *gasp* PLAIN TEXT!
Unless you're defining "portable document format" as exclusively Adobe's.pdf.
Honestly I think the world would be happier if we went back to plain text and dumped the entirety of featureware document formats.
Mods: I tried posting AC so that it would be under the threshold 1 radar. Maybe someone should fix the "It's been 6000 minutes since you last posted a comment" restriction.
While the inequity of MS in this case is certainly something which gives me gas it's really not all that surprising.
What concerns me more is this: By signing the agreement, has this fellow now admitted to infringing a trademark for the time in which he did use the name Windows Defender and, if so, has he opened himself up to gratuitous prosecution by the local government? If he were politically active against established authorities in local areas I bet, honestly, that he'd be looking at a state supported lawsuit.
It's another way in which every citizen is, by default, a criminal. Any illusion of rights is just that--an illusion.
Why? Are you threatened by it? Maybe you're afraid of getting poked. Either that or you have a fetish for typing the word "e-penis". Maybe you're being derisive and hoping that, psychologically, I'll be intimidated by your references to sexuality and human body parts. You'd be watching for signs of that intimidation in upcoming posts to see if I were chagrined or less dominant.
You're fucking pathetic. Trolls playing mindgames. Where'd you get your psyche degree--online Uni?
They may not always -- in fact usually don't -- use the terminology correctly, and they're often clueless as to how to prevent problems or fix them when they occur
Which is okay since we recognize that not everyone can be a technonerd.
but they're aware of the problem
This is the important part and I'm very happy to see that other people are noticing this trend as well. We need to build on it.
This is your programming background, but you know everything Bill and company don't?
Yes, because I already know a dozen other languages and I'm multi-talented enough to do this as well.
I suppose you're about as multitalented as it takes to click "Post Anonymously". Maybe you code in both PHP and Java. You can wank with both your left and right hand. Nice. You'll be qualified to serve me french fries or wash my car.
I've often used the same argument to ask why cookies are even necessary to begin with. This always results in one of two things happening: everyone shouts all at once or the room goes silent.
I have no illusions about privacy online. There is none.
It is amazing how all the brilliant people are living in their mom's basement
Nice of you to think of yourself as brilliant. Don't break your arm.
while all the retards start and grow multi-billion dollar companies
He started a "me too!" software company, swindled a hot deal which landed him a candy contract, and then baffled all the non-techie VCs with enormous amounts of bullshit. After that it was a cycle of release early, release often, and let the users cope with the bugs by denying any responsibility in an EULA. That's hardly an accomplishment worth praise.
If people can plug in their latset gizmo and have it work 7 times out of 10 then they are happy enough
I can give them 10 out of 10 with fewer bugs and a more socially responsible business model. Who should be receiving the benefit of massive government contracts? Me, or MS?
Bill knows this and knows what sells
MS knows how to work social connections. Take away the ignorant VCs who put MS where they are and the government contracts that throttled the life out of competing (and technologically superior) designs and Windows would be a 2nd rate GameBoy OS.
If your idea of winning a race is tripping all the other participants then, evolutionarily, you're going to get blown out of the water by the runner who can dance. Watch it happen to MS.
The State Management Mechanism (aka "cookies") was designed the way it was for a reason: privacy
Insert: false sense of. Cookies, even the ones which aren't personally identifiable, are used mathematically. It's all about collision sets. The only privacy you get from cookies is by flat out refusing to deal with them.
In the memo, Gates cites an earlier missive from Ray Ozzie, outlining the importance of tapping online advertising and services as new revenue sources.
Next up for Windows Longhorn: A brand new desktop popup ad API complete with billboard-type access to the background pic. No more questionably ethical malware required--it's now part of the OS.
Oh, and you, the user, don't get the revenue. That is reserved exclusively to MS. It'll be in the EULA.
Microsoft is proposing its own rival to PDF, known as Metro, with Windows Vista, its new operating system that is due out next year.
That's just what we need: another "me too!" document format. Oh for crying out loud. Windows is fast becoming the toilet with a toaster, cordless drill, leaf blower, and pencil holder built in. It's the Chewbacca Defense of featureware.
Gates, Ballmer, Ozzie, et al: I'm going to give you a hint which will help you. I'm not supposed to do this because I'm a Linux fanatic but I'm going to do it anyway because you seem to be retarded and it makes me feel good inside to help those who are less fortunate than I am. Do you really want to stay in the game? Figure out what your job is, define it, simplify it, and do it well before you try to branch out like some mutating cancerous amoeba. Drop all the featureware that's in your OS and concentrate on simplifying, standardizing, and securing the 600 layers beneath what the users see. There, I've even invented a new 3S meme for your PR campaign--and I claim full IP on it right here on/. You can start paying me the moment I see it used in your quarterly report.
Young, energetic, and emerging Linux devs would do well to follow the same advice before they take Linux down the same path that MS forged years ago.
I must admit that I'm only just now entering Chapter 2 of "The C Programming Language" by Kernighan and Ritchie. My education with logic flow and structured programming came at a time when QuickBASIC was the focus language. Still, though, the same sqaures/tetrehedrons/circles still apply.
Provided that the programmer is adhering to all of the standards and protocols of gets() and puts(), there's nothing wrong with what you've written. I suspect that the bug is somewhere in a difference of semantics between gets() and puts(). Obviously, if the programmer were worth their degree, any sanitization would be properly coded between gets and puts.
As another poster said: you're probably pointing out semantics.
If you guys keep going like this the "Chewbacca Defense" will begin to rival the "In Soviet Russia"/. jokes.
And I'm laughing my silly white butt off every time I read one... because all I remember is my younger brother constantly saying, to trump any argument,"Play the race card!"
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You're so funny.
Like you even have a clue.
If you don't see how this applies then you don't know jack about advertising. Go back to the nursery n00b.
Come back when you're ready to sell your soul.
I wish I could print that out and read that while I'm jogging today. I could read that for hours and still laugh. :) I could run a marathon and not even realize it.
Yes. It does. You need to make one important change. Remove the buzzphrase (IP) "multi-level marketing", making the first sentence of the second paragraph: "The fraudsters behind a pyramid scheme may go to great lengths to make the program look like a legitimate program."
That applies to advertising on computers.
pwnd. 'tard.
Holy cow you mods are such weenies. You're killing Next Up with overrated. What is this? A coup? Are you jealous because I started claiming IP before you even thought of it?
What gives? Bunch of weirdos... all of you.
*blows you a big fat raspberry*
Don't think I haven't watched you do this before. You're so childish that it's amusing each and every time.
If software companies want to absolve themselves of all responsibility using EULAs then, unless they make it a primary goal to code flawless software, they must recognize that someone else is going to get stuck with the support work. In today's proprietary software society it is a business assumption that a significant percentage of the support will be performed by non-contract field agents (I'll claim the NCFA trademark IP now). They know that we do their work for them and they know there's no legal requirement that they pay us.
If someone's machine is brought to a halt because IE had a bug that's MS's responsibility. MS shirks the responsibility by relying on NCFAs to fix a majority of the problem. FOSS is a different story. There's no problem with Firefox exploits. There's no money exchanged, the source was free and open, and it's understood that it's still in development.
Companies which require monetary payment for known buggy software must be required to foot the bill for maintenance. Can Dell or HP send their support bill back to MS for compensation every quarter? Can I submit my bill back to Dell or HP? There is currently no great secret that software is released in a beta state. Under FOSS this isn't a problem because one recognizes that they're receiving the software for free. If monetary payment is required for the software, though, someone had better be liable when I spend my time and expertise fixing their idiocy.
If you define portable document format as requiring multiple pages then Adobe still doesn't have a monopoly except in distribution of publication. For normal everyday business office use I would much rather pass around an editable .doc. Yes, that's MS-Word, because it comes with MS-Office, and it's ubiquitous.
That brings me back to my original point. If MS wants to stay in the game it needs to focus more thought on improving and solidifying their core product: the OS and the Office suite. I'll now claim IP on the S4I method of achieving business success, simplify, standardize, secure, improve.
"Described in this invention is a method for outlining the various stages of business development to achieve a centennial business model of stability and profitability."
Deja vu... I still use Acrobat5 and I keep the install .bin around for precisely this purpose.
You could almost be correct if there weren't free OSs available without built-in adware. If that were true, though, then it would be more a system of screwing the customer. I can buy a car without ad logos painted on the sides. My desk doesn't have ad-logos burned into the wood. People buy houses without selling their outer walls for ad space. My stereo equipment has no visible branding except for the manufacturer which I chose.
Advertising, on computers, is a sick example of milking it for everything it's worth. It's a pyramid scheme. It has to be--no other product line in the world needs to sell itself out to advertising to this extent. Even major entertainment sports only sell the space around the stadium. Except for racing cars. Hmmmm...
Unless you're defining "portable document format" as exclusively Adobe's
Honestly I think the world would be happier if we went back to plain text and dumped the entirety of featureware document formats.
Mods: I tried posting AC so that it would be under the threshold 1 radar. Maybe someone should fix the "It's been 6000 minutes since you last posted a comment" restriction.
Thank you for modding that one down.
While the inequity of MS in this case is certainly something which gives me gas it's really not all that surprising.
What concerns me more is this: By signing the agreement, has this fellow now admitted to infringing a trademark for the time in which he did use the name Windows Defender and, if so, has he opened himself up to gratuitous prosecution by the local government? If he were politically active against established authorities in local areas I bet, honestly, that he'd be looking at a state supported lawsuit.
It's another way in which every citizen is, by default, a criminal. Any illusion of rights is just that--an illusion.
Why? Are you threatened by it? Maybe you're afraid of getting poked. Either that or you have a fetish for typing the word "e-penis". Maybe you're being derisive and hoping that, psychologically, I'll be intimidated by your references to sexuality and human body parts. You'd be watching for signs of that intimidation in upcoming posts to see if I were chagrined or less dominant.
You're fucking pathetic. Trolls playing mindgames. Where'd you get your psyche degree--online Uni?
This is the important part and I'm very happy to see that other people are noticing this trend as well. We need to build on it.
I suppose you're about as multitalented as it takes to click "Post Anonymously". Maybe you code in both PHP and Java. You can wank with both your left and right hand. Nice. You'll be qualified to serve me french fries or wash my car.
I've often used the same argument to ask why cookies are even necessary to begin with. This always results in one of two things happening: everyone shouts all at once or the room goes silent.
I have no illusions about privacy online. There is none.
He started a "me too!" software company, swindled a hot deal which landed him a candy contract, and then baffled all the non-techie VCs with enormous amounts of bullshit. After that it was a cycle of release early, release often, and let the users cope with the bugs by denying any responsibility in an EULA. That's hardly an accomplishment worth praise.
I can happily raise your tax rate if you like.
MS knows how to work social connections. Take away the ignorant VCs who put MS where they are and the government contracts that throttled the life out of competing (and technologically superior) designs and Windows would be a 2nd rate GameBoy OS.
If your idea of winning a race is tripping all the other participants then, evolutionarily, you're going to get blown out of the water by the runner who can dance. Watch it happen to MS.
I hope that's the chuckle of sarcasm that I hear.
Oh, and you, the user, don't get the revenue. That is reserved exclusively to MS. It'll be in the EULA.
That's just what we need: another "me too!" document format. Oh for crying out loud. Windows is fast becoming the toilet with a toaster, cordless drill, leaf blower, and pencil holder built in. It's the Chewbacca Defense of featureware.
Gates, Ballmer, Ozzie, et al: I'm going to give you a hint which will help you. I'm not supposed to do this because I'm a Linux fanatic but I'm going to do it anyway because you seem to be retarded and it makes me feel good inside to help those who are less fortunate than I am. Do you really want to stay in the game? Figure out what your job is, define it, simplify it, and do it well before you try to branch out like some mutating cancerous amoeba. Drop all the featureware that's in your OS and concentrate on simplifying, standardizing, and securing the 600 layers beneath what the users see. There, I've even invented a new 3S meme for your PR campaign--and I claim full IP on it right here on
Young, energetic, and emerging Linux devs would do well to follow the same advice before they take Linux down the same path that MS forged years ago.
Ch. 5 is Pointers and Arrays. Ch. 6 is Structures.
:)
You don't mind if it takes 3 mos. for a reply, do you?
I must admit that I'm only just now entering Chapter 2 of "The C Programming Language" by Kernighan and Ritchie. My education with logic flow and structured programming came at a time when QuickBASIC was the focus language. Still, though, the same sqaures/tetrehedrons/circles still apply.
Provided that the programmer is adhering to all of the standards and protocols of gets() and puts(), there's nothing wrong with what you've written. I suspect that the bug is somewhere in a difference of semantics between gets() and puts(). Obviously, if the programmer were worth their degree, any sanitization would be properly coded between gets and puts.
As another poster said: you're probably pointing out semantics.
If you guys keep going like this the "Chewbacca Defense" will begin to rival the "In Soviet Russia" /. jokes.
And I'm laughing my silly white butt off every time I read one... because all I remember is my younger brother constantly saying, to trump any argument,"Play the race card!"
It was Berkeley Softworks
You can verify this spelling of KERNAL on a GEOS page. Feel free to Google for other pages relevant to "GEOS 1.3" or "GEOS 2.0".
Of interest to note is that the Amiga Kickstart OS numbering followed the GEOS pattern. After 1.3 we recieved 2.0x.