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SCO Demands Linux 2.7 Information
dr_d_19 writes "According to Groklaw, SCO is now demanding IBM to turn over 'all documents concerning IBM's contributions to the Linux 2.7 kernel, including development work'. Of course, there is no 2.7 kernel and no plans at all to create one."
IBM just hasn't released it yet. Bastards.
Note to mods: I'm probably being sarcastic.
SCO does not, and has never had a firm grip on reality. This is news?
Everyone knows that linus is going "corporate", and playing the version game.
Next linux versions according to the roadmap:
Lets hope that biff, darl, and kevin don't read slashdot, or the jig is up!
...either that, or a empty box.
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"Your Honour, we propose that there may be a Linux 2.7 kernel in... you know... that other dimension where Spock has a beard."
Trolling is a art,
What do you want to bet that once the 2.7 kernel does come out that SCO points at the IBM contributions and claims perjury? Actually, that's probably the strategy they're going with here in the first place.
I used to read Caltizzle. I was a lot cooler than you.
Document requests in discovery are governed by Rule 34. One of the provisions of this rule is that the respondant has 30 days to answer the document request.
IBM will say "sorry, we don't have any of the documents you've requested because they don't exist"
Sure SCO looks bad, but i don't think this is a case of everybody "laughing so hard we won't be able to hear you if you mumble" as TFA suggests.
The way I see it, IBM has two very easy answers to SCO's request.
1) Hand them a blank piece of paper.
2) Attach a bell and a whistle to a CD containing the source for the latest 2.6 kernel.
Oh, a lesson in history from Mr. I'm my own grandpa.
...they should get copies of the patents for that perpetual motion machine.
This way to the egress...
Way to once again discredit the entire case... Darl, give it up, you'll run out of investors and money soon.
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I used to be disgusted by the continued fight between SCO and others, but now I am overwhelmed with a feeling of embarassment of what this looks like to non-Americans and how they see us. Yes, start the posts about how bad we are already viewed, which I already know about. Reminding me of that only makes my ulcer gets worse. This used to be aggravating, frustrating, even maddening, but now it feels more like a kick in the stomach. I cannot believe these guys!
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"We are all geniuses when we dream"
- E.M. Cioran
To most of us, SCO has been purely laughable for a long time already. /ever/ stop?
But as long as it can stay in the news, it will keep damaging Linux's reputation; other pepole keep hearing the general news of "Linux being under attack".
The big question, and what we should hope for is: when will SCO's whining
and SCO knows it - IBM is developing it right now.
What do you say? Linux is neither maintained nor was invented by IBM?
Oh guess SCO aren't that much of a serious company after all...
Last time I checked(admittedly, it's been a long time), odd numbered kernels are the kernels where major changes are made. Couldn't it be said that SCO is really asking for future plans on major additions to the kernel in asking for planned additions to 2.7, rather than simply asking for data about a piece of code which does not yet exist?
It's been a long time.
While I usually go easy on people for making typographical errors like this, and dislike nit-picking over such things by an online community of hecklers, it's pretty funny.
FYI, to those who haven't scanned the pdf, they also request:
So it doesn't seem to indicate that the memo is null and void, or that the lawyers don't know anything about technology, just that the lawyers are being very hasty and don't check their facts. Of course, SCO has not demonstrated much regard for "facts" at all in this case.
Of course, there is no 2.7 kernel and no plans at all to create one.
What?! There's no plans at all to create a 2.7 kernel? Oh man, I can see the future now... Soon we'll all be cheering for the 2.6.142 kernel release.
Its my turn to threaten legal action against the company of SCO if they don't immediatly hand over any remaning quantities of what they're smoking and the phone number of the guy they got it from.
Is it sad that I am more likely to recognize you and your posts by your sig than your name or UID?
I have posted before wondering why IBM would allow such a stupid suit by SCO to continue for years. But maybe this unmitigated autodiscredit is the payoff. IBM's lawyers have worked hard for years on tough stuff. Maybe this gig is just a payoff, an IBM lawyer's wet dream.
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Said who?
Why are we assuming that, since we're in the 2.6 branch that they have no intention of moving into a 2.7.
Isn't that called development?Second of all, why would IBM have information about it? And why does SCO care?
I thought they were accusing IBM of putting copyrighted material in an early version of source, wtf is this request for - it seemingly is unrelated....?
They also demand that 3D Realms turn over the source code for Duke Nukem Forever.
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I'd be sorely tempted to order three or four pallets of blank paper and send that over with "Linux 2.7" scribbled on the boxes and just take whatever fines that earns you :).
I am now convinced that someone at SCO has flipped their lid and become a paranoid schizophrenic. Either that, or they are aiming at a career on the Comedy Channel once SCO sinks without trace.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
"The supremely funny SCO Group has now topped even itself."
They always impress us, don't they?
What will be their next joke?
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More evidence of the giant corporation stonewalling justice.
:)
They have to write SCO System VI somehow.
Send them a repackaged 1.0 version. That will really rattle their wombats.
The boldfaced line is the only one in the motion where the "2.7" appears.
Now, do you really think that they intended to demand code contributed to a nonexistent project? Or that perhaps, just maybe, someone fat-fingered "2.6?"
In other words, this is most likely just a silly typo. Nothing to see, move along.
Maybe IBM is planning a kernel fork. They could easily be developing their own 2.7 kernel.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
Of course, there is no 2.7 kernel and no plans at all to create one...yet."
There. Fixed it.
Grokster had the 2.7 kernel code for download...
As usual /. is a day behind. This was posted on digg yesterday.
..Chuck..
*Condense fact from the vapor of nuance*
+5 H2G2 reference!
This is just another example of IBM stonewalling SCO on discovery
Now they say there is no lUNIX 2.7 and refuse to produce it, let's not forget that previously we asked them to produce the infringing code in lUNIX, and they also claim that there wasn't any.
It's about time the Slashdot crowd, acknowledged that lUNIX (even the name!) infringes SCO's copyrights, that you all owe SCO $699* and IBM owes SCO $5bn.
Dirl McBrade
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Can we include a flashing LED button, too? That would make it more accessible. But it has to flash slowly, to avoid causing seizures.
Linus has a notes about Linux 2.7 on a few bar napkin. Many are just pictures of a penguin pissing on a grave stone with SCO carved in it.
SCO is sooo stupid. Everyone knows Linus will skip right to 2.8 just to spite SCO.
Ha ha
Life is not for the lazy.
Could IBM be relying on SCO's software and methodologies when the people at SCO don't even understand a NOT (!) operator?
Okay, my brain hurts. Does anyone have a general overview of what's happening (beyond "Darl McBride is an ass-clown" and "SCO sucks")? Like, give it to me from square one?
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Someone hinted that it'd be damned cool if Linus went and sent out an email, announcing 2.7, with the content in a file or the email to the effect of: "This Release Intentionally Left Blank" and then release 2.8/2.9.
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SCO's OpenServer and TelSoft Solutions' MegaCall Combine to Meet the Call Processing Needs of Los Angeles County
/PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The SCO Group, Inc. ("SCO") (Nasdaq: SCOX - News), a leading provider of UNIX® software technology for distributed, embedded and network-based systems, today announced that Los Angeles County will use SCO OpenServer as a platform for TelSoft's MegaCall turnkey call accounting and tracking system, ending the county's exhaustive search for a solution. TelSoft Solutions is a leading provider of call accounting and billing services for organizations of any size.
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With 88 cities and 28 percent of all California residents, Los Angeles County is the largest county in the U.S. It requires an enterprise-level call-tracking system on a highly fault-tolerant application platform. MegaCall and OpenServer met this rigorous requirement among many other requirements, and will be implemented in more than 125 county locations.
"SCO has been a popular platform in the telecom industry for decades, providing platforms for companies such as: Lucent, Avaya, Siemens, Comverse and many others," said Alan Raymond, Vice President of Americas Sales, The SCO Group, Inc. "SCO's interoperability with other operating systems and adaptability to fit the server needs of any businesses also makes OpenServer a valuable addition to large corporations who utilize the MegaCall system."
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Assuming there is a 2.7, SCO should already have access to it, since it's open source. And if there is a 2.7 in the works, it's basically 2.6, because 2.7 would be changes made to 2.6. They don't rewrite it every time they put out a new version.
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/*
sco.h - constants for interfacing with SCO related callbacks
Linux 2.7 Kernel Module
Copyright (C) 2005 Internaional Business Machines
GNU Public License
*/
enum{
NON_PROFIT,
FOR_PROFIT,
LETIGIOUS_BASTARDS
};
static const int sco_org_model = LETIGIOUS_BASTARDS;
static const int sco_wait_to_reply = MAX_INT;
static char[] std_sco_response = "Screw off!";
Next thing you know SCO will sue http://www.sco.edu/SCO.
Most of us have been keeping this a secret, but the 2.7 series source is on a HD-DVD disk hanging from a sky-hook in the basement of the Alamo.
It's all there on groklaw, starting with the players and just go on from there. Even the lawyers go here, so it's GOING to be more than the pejorative stuff you wanted to go beyond. cheers...ank
Still hoping for Gentle Treatment...
It was refferred to vocally by SCO in the case. read the comments at the bottom of the article - the court transcripts mention it at least twice.
What happens if IBM does actually have contributory work for a Linux 2.7 kernel? I'm kind of lost here. What does that prove/show? The code can be downloaded when its released anyway? No need for courts.
Something just doesn't seem right about this to me. I'm having a little difficulty believing that lawyers are THAT stupid? If they haven't proven that the code for the 2.6 kernel is infringing, how in the hell can the code in 2.7 be infringing, if there is code for 2.7?
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In this new motion, SCO is not only saying that she really did order IBM to produce Linux code, but adds a new version (which they also have not previously mentioned) to the list. They're telling Kimball that Wells misunderstood her own orders.
With the cajones on these guys, it's a wonder they can walk.
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If the following forum is anything to by, people are talking about it:
Linux 2.7 kernel
Even if it is not necessarily in active development, people are talking about what they would like to see.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
SCO has to ask for the 2.7 kernel now, because they won't be around when it finally does come out. If there is justice Darl will be in prison, where he can take time to think about what he has done. When 2.7 comes out I plan on sending him a printed out copy of the source so he'll have some reading material.
Are you...Are you some kind of genius?
No, ma'am, I'm just a regular Slashdot reader.
The big big issue in this is the order in which discovery is occuring.
In a normal court case, when you file the case you need to identify with specificity what your claim is.
In this case, at a minimum, SCO should have detailed, with specificity, what code they beleive is copyright / contract violated and why during the discovery process by now.
This 2.7 thing is a nitpick honestly. The fact that IBM probably has only a limited clue on the details of the copyright and contract claims is a much much bigger deal.
These claims need to be detailed so they can be addressed. They need to identify WHAT Sco says it owns, WHICH contract provision were violated etc.
Surprised there hasn't been more of an effort in this area, and am almost certain that whatever SCO comes with up will continue to be vague. Make that a predicition, IBM will file a motion for clarification after fact discovery ends. They should be getting this on the judges radar NOW however.
Interesting case though.
IANAL, but I've seen the inside of the Courtroom, alas.
First of all, the Court generally allows very wide latitude in discovery, certainly including such wild speculative fishing trips as this one. The principle is that the parties should have maximal access to any information that could even conceivably help their case. Not just in the interests of justice, that is, so that the parties can make the best case they can, but also in the interests of finality. You don't want the loser appealing the judgment or otherwise coming back to Court again because they can argue some sliver or other of information wasn't available, and if it had been it might've made all the difference, blah blah blah. You want people to believe the Court gave the losing party every conceivable imaginable chance to make their case -- and they just couldn't.
IBM knows this, too, of course, and that is why they cooperate in the discovery, and why they won't settle. They want the SCO lawyers to make the very best case that can possible be made, so that after SCO loses, this issue is dead, dead, dead and no one will even think about bringing another case like it ever again, and no Court will ever entertain it. IBM does not hire stupid lawyers.
In Soviet Slashdot, redundancy moderates YOU!
(Go on, mod me redundant!)
for the release notes like everyone else.
That or speak to marketing and check out their hype-promotions
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
... IBM now has to provide extensive documentation to convince the Court that they do not have a 2.7 kernel ... while SCO simply claims that IBM is hiding the 2.7 kernel and will "prove" it once IBM finally complies with SCO's request to turn over everything done by anyone, ever, on any project under any contract.
WAIT! Before you hit that "FUNNY" mod!
SCO HAS demanded access to information/code that a developer (who may have existed) may have written on a computer that may not have been uploaded to a server because it may have been in a "sandbox" and THAT code may be the code necessary for SCO to "prove" its case.
Because maybe that maybe developer may have done something that may not have been allowed under a contract that may have covered what that maybe developer may have done on a machine that might have existed, in a sandbox that might have existed, that may not have any other record.
"Genesis? What's that?"
If you mod me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
IBM should name it Kernal 2.8, skipping 2.7, and screw with SCO that way. Hell, twenty years down the road someone will read it in a computer science history text book.
I mod down so you can mod up. Your welcome.
Wikipedia's got some web-based Ibuprofin for them thar migrane. The Story Thus Far:
This should get you started in learning all you need to know to get you caught up. Hope this helps!
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What upsets me more is that some of us actually give a shit about what the rest of the world thinks of us. The only reason our reputation with other countries matters is because it buys us political clout to get them to do what we want. Let the other countries think what they want. In the end, we're still the big dog on the block, and that's not going to change for the forseeable future, regardless of our reputation.
Just a thought... here's the first definition I found for Antisocial Personality Disorder: "Lack of regard for the moral or legal standards in the local culture, marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules. Sometimes called psychopaths or sociopaths."
Your second sentence in particular is quite sociopathic.
Remember the whole exercise, from Darl's perspective, is to keep things alive for as long as possible to keep pumping money into legal fees etc. The best way to do this is to open up a new can of worms.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
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Then just skip 2.7 and call it 2.8
Smoked.
Over 100 post and no mention that the only ones that use the 2.7 kernel are old people in Korea?
rewriting history since 2109
linux fans are happy (yeay, we are going to 3)
SCO looks even more like morons
and noone is a liar.
If they were smart (yeah, I know... but IF they were smart) they would have just said 'upcoming releases'. But then again, IF they were smart, they would build a business model not settled around litigation. Even the 'lets buy all of our competitors' strategy of Microsoft and lately Oracle is better than this.
So can I supoena Duke Nukem Forever? I can make it the cornerstone of an emotional distress suit....
Linus did come up with some whacky versions numbers at various points in the kernel history. In mid 1992 there was 0.95c+
(S(SKK)(SKK))(S(SKK)(SKK))
SCO offered to settle with IBM today provided that IBM pay them five mintillion dollars and the keys to the city of Atlantis.
SCO announced that it has appointed a new CEO, Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, to carry on with the lawsuits against IBM. You may remember Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf from his former position as the Iraqi Information Minister.
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
Why did I lurk so long before registering for a Slashdot account? I could have had a Slashdot ID of less than 100000.
Ahem, "embarrassing" is spelled with TWO R's, not one.
In soviet Russia, Slashdot posts on fucking idiots.
Shouldn't this whole thing be under the "From the Mysterious Future" department?
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and then goes ibm and says "fine, 2.7 kernel does not exist" and releases 2.9 kernel! jajaja
In other words, this is most likely just a silly typo. Nothing to see, move along
When matters involve lawyers, nothing is a *silly typo* evar.
I'd like a Beowulf Cluster of Linux 2.7 systems!
Somebody had to say it...
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
They are tired of waiting and just want to find out if Reiser4 is supported or not.
and that's this letter. They should return it.
...to the demand with a single page containing the words "THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK".
for the folks over at SCO. 1: How's that whole being clever thing working for you? 2: Seriously, do you enjoy the horrific PR, tanking stock prices, and inevitable humiliation of a major defeat in the courts?
What's that, slashdot karma points??? HA! I got your karma points right here!!
Well, just name the next kernel 2.9 or 2.6.66.1 just to make fun of SCO ;-)
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
Right now, it may not be good, but the name is being established further through SCO's actions. If people think things are big, they make a judgement (often incorrectly) that the product isn't going away, that as lots of people are using it, it must be good.
This and all the other anti-Linux FUD is just giving it credibility. It's creating a view in some that Linux is bad, but this then can create dialogue regarding it.
He now wants not only each and every derivetive works, he wants it to be produced especially for him! Make me my linuxs biatch!
That must be the "Darl Defense", demand non-existing things to proove other non-existing things, so everybody gives you money, or the left wing commie tulband wearing hippy freak terrorists will win! Or else. Or something.
I cut-n-pasted the spelling from the original poster. My bad :-(
Guess I should have listened to all the trolls who said that Linux doesn't support cut-n-paste! - or use mod-speling (and yes, its "mis-speled on porpoise" - I know, lousy pun :-)
------- In the end there are no begining
The 2.7 code is tatooed on my ass. It's really fine print, you have to look close!
... it is reported that SCO have subpoened an individual named John Titor, in the belief that he may have a copy of the 2.7 release or later, although lawyers are unsure where to send the letter as the address does not exist yet.
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The comment about four Rs in "referrer" falls rather flat on humor. The sig is much funnier than the post about spelling.
Incidentally, assuming (hoping the poster didn't miss the point and that they were trying for humor), the sig is correct in that it refers to the two Rs in the middle of HTTP_REFERER (which *should* be spelled HTTP_REFERRER and isn't).
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=referer
A misspelling of "referrer" which somehow
made it into the HTTP standard. A given web page's
referer (sic) is the URL of whatever web page contains the
link that the user followed to the current page. Most
browsers pass this information as part of a request.
html_reefer
The complete lack of evidence that a 2.7 kernel exists and IBM has contributed to it is just further proof that IBM has hidden not just their own contributions but everyone else's as well. The obvious solution is then to demand more "fact discovery" and sanctions against IBM for so effectively hiding this evidence.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Ben
And that shouldn't need any further explanation.
They're testing the waters. If it succeeds enough to set precedent:
1. Sue NSF for all their research in time travel
2. Calibrate DeLorean to 1995.
0. Profit!
"Made up/misattributed quote that makes me look smart. I am on
In this light, if IBM did make any casual remarks to 2.7 in its docs then it's IBM who looks like it's hiding development, code, or plans for a future development. Whether it existed or not, the 2.7 kernel was probably referred to as an abstract, future target. If it was mentioned in internal docs, then this call for the missing 2.7 information is just SCO putting IBM's lawyers noses to the grindstone and giving them a complicated distraction to have to explain away to the court.
True, it will amount to nothing in terms of their accusations of stolen code. The 2.7 kernel doesn't exist. But in the final weeks of discovery, it may be a more valuable way to pull IBM's lawyers' focus off other aspects of the case.
When you smoke too much crack, you start seeing hostile things that aren't there.
Next it'll be "We demand the code to the Linux kernal that was written by the Pot Head Pixies as they fly around Baghdad serenading the evil terrorists wearing Bill Clinton print Y-Fronts on their heads".
Hmmmmmm..... Deep fried and look like Squirrel.
In Texas, it's spelled 'em bare assing...
The NSA: The only part of the US government that actually listens.
What great things has America done?
Let's look at Iraq:
USAID reports significant progress
In the areas of health care:
* Vaccinated over 3.2 million children under five and 700,000 pregnant women with vaccination campaigns and monthly immunization days.
* Provided supplementary doses of vitamin A for more than 600,000 children under two and 1.5 million lactating mothers, and iron folate supplements for over 1.6 million women of childbearing age.
* Screened more than 1.3 million children under five for malnutrition and distributed high protein biscuits to more than 450,000 children and 200,000 pregnant and nursing mothers.
USAID addressed urgent water and sanitation needs to prevent disease outbreaks:
* Provided potable water for 500,000 persons each day in Basrah, Kirkuk, and Mosul.
* Repaired 1,700 breaks in Baghdad's water distribution network, rehabilitated water treatment facilities in four governorates, and repaired over 100 sewage pumping stations, rainwater stations and collapsed sewer lines in 6 governorates.
* Procured supplies to service water treatment facilities in Baghdad and other cities.
USAID programs enhanced the effectiveness and long-term impact of health services:
* Provided skills training for 2,500 primary health care providers and 700 physicians. Trained 2,000 health educators, teachers, religious leaders and youth to mobilize communities on hygiene, diarrhea, breastfeeding, nutrition and immunization issues.
* Disseminated information on essential health messages to families around the country.
* Renovated 110 primary health care centers and provided basic clinical and laboratory equipment to support the delivery of essential primary health care services to 600 primary health care centers.
* Provided vaccines and cold chain equipment to selected remote health centers.
* Developed a national plan for fortification of wheat flour with iron and folic acid.
* Re-established the national disease surveillance system.
Not to mention:
* Power
* Operations and Maintenance
* Agriculture
* Marshlands
* Food Security
* Humanitarian Assistance
* Vocational Education
* Business Skills Training
In Indonesia, USAID reports $3.9B in US aid for tsunami recovery.
I could go on and on with financial helpd, educational assistance, political support and more, but come to think of it: You're right. We stink. We are imperialistic conquerers who destroy foreign governments and enslave their people. In the name of all that is good and right, we should be destroyed by the good and freedom loving people around the world. Let the destruction begin. Americans are evil and stupid.
Give me a break!
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
1^2... There...
I just changed to 2.6 thinking I was with the times now and theres 2.7!? BAH!
I think SCO is so lost up their own ass they don't know what year it is anymore...
ok one .. two ..three .. four .. five . ok you're my hooker. But seriously I charge 10 dollars.
SCO's Lawyer: "Your honor, I'm just a caveman. Your world frightens me with its boxes with devils in them that make noises. But there is one thing I do know, that there is a 2.7 Linux kernel."
Judge: "I find for SCO's motion and their caveman lawyer!"
...I think there's just no place stupider for SCO to go, somehow - they surprise me. Every time. Maybe IBM should just ship a cd full of the
Solaris 10 source code and see what happens next...
There is no plans for a Linux 2.7 kernel yet but maybe there will be someday! So stop dragging your feet IBM and come up with some infringing code that you may plan on putting in a kernel that may or may not be created!
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, IBM's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "The 2.7 Linux kernel" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself!
But ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: Ladies and gentlemen, this [pointing to a picture of Chewbacca] is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! Why would a Wookiee--an eight foot tall Wookiee--want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!
But more important, you have to ask yourself, what does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense.
Look at me, I'm a lawyer from SCO, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense!
And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating Linux source code... Does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.
If Chewbacca lived on Endor, you must convict IBM! The prosecution rests.
...with two followups taking me seriously, and one 'Informative' mod, I was thinking I was going to have to give up sarcasm completely, and switch to slapstick.
..." -- no, wait, that's somebody else's sig.
--
"I see how it is - the fat man makes a pun and everyone wets themselves; I
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Sometimes, and most especially when the client has a really lousy case and just desires to postpone the inevitable, their counsel, ends up with just one objective.
Delay, Delay, Delay.
The hope, that as each second of additional delay is expended, that some material miracle will somehow save the client from doom.
Or lacking that, at least extend the time before the headsman swings his axe.
And to that end, the lawyer expends all of his manipulative craft, intelligence and wiley deceits to fabricate smoke and mirrors from the invention of cleverly (or not) worded requests and motions.
Darl McBride resurrects the good Dr. Emmet Brown's DeLorean time machine to go back to the future in order to show that in the year 2025, IBM did, in fact, develop a version 2.7. Hillarity ensues when he discovers that it was used to control the flux capacitor that converts the 1.5 gigawatts into a temporal displacement field. Coming this winter to a courthouse near you.
It's all Stallman's fault.
So there will technically be a 2.7, but it will never be released. Like there was a 2.5.
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.5/
How come no one has mentioned this? Have they changed it?
"When the solution is simple, God is answering." -- Albert Einstein
Maybe Linus should skip version 2.7
Well, I don't about greatness, but what about the Internet? Computers? Iced Chai Tea Latte? Slashdot? Nanotechnology?
SCO deserves some blame, but I think this actually reflects more on the state of our thoroughly broken [in]justice system. A reasonable and responsible judge would not only have dismissed the case immediately and with prejudice, but imposed all court costs and a fine for a frivolous lawsuit, and referred their lawyers to the bar for disciplinary action.
99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Most people don't even think inside the box.
Ah yes, Col. Twopointseven. I served with him in e'Nam under General Protectionfault. Yeah, those were the times. Just me, Col. Twopointseven and Private Member. Twopointseven came from Int, Maine - whenever he got the chance he'd go and bicker about the town of Void, Maine, which apparently seemed to be inhabitated only by strange people who'd regularly turn blue and crash somewhere. Apart from that Twopointseven wasn't very communicative - he didn't care much about Smalltalk or the nice Java Private Member sometimes brewed, but he did like the sea and sometimes he told us that he wanted to become a great constructor. Well, over there in the jungle his chances to do that were exactly NULL. Perhaps it was a pointer showing him that he shouldn't run atfer FALSE hopes or something... Yeah, you become philosophical like that when you're sitting in a dank shack on the wrong side of the globe, smoking your last #imported cigs while the Apaches are taking off.
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
byte me.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
They are just setting things up so when they loose they can claim Insanity in the counter suit.
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
I bet SCO is not the/an Intelligent Designer.
--Court Transcript--
Isn't this like the 4th or 5th time that they've tried this? Seriously.. how much longer is this joke of a case going to continue?God, Root, what is difference? -- Pitr from Userfriendly.org
Make them sign a non-disclosure agreement.
Hmmm. Maybe they looked at post-fof mess in the Microsoft anti-trust case, and figured their best chance to live to fight another day on this case is to goad the judge the way the picadores goad the bull in a bull fight. Then after the enraged judge tramples their case into a greasy smudge, which would be surely superfluous as their case is good as dead anyway, they'll complain she was not objective and demand a rematch with a new judge.
Wacko conspiracy theory or innovative legal strategy? You be the judge.
Fits with the zeitgeist anyhow. If you're going to act like a moral degenerate, go so far over the top it's unbelievable. Then hoist an expression of smug self-righteousness on your face as you impugn the credibility of anyone bearing wild tales of your misdeeds.
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Well over at Groklaw they were a considered contest to name the 2.7 kernel after SCO/IBM lawsuit. The 2.7 wouldn't have anything else but the name.
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
For instance, we could duct tape fins onto them and drop them on Al Quaieda terrorists. They wouldn't exactly be smart bombs, but...
is that it shows what a great judicial system the states has. If there was ever a sign that the USA is falling apart it's this. That or the instructions on toothpicks.
Just in, SCO and Jack Thompson to holiday in Atlantis
And speaking of 'Precioussssss' IP which has been stolen from us, all of new Zealand belongs to us. The current residents must all get expensive licenses.
MS set us up the bomb. All your human thought are belong to us!
The real truth about Slashdot; I stumbled upon this the other day...
Wikileaks, no DNS
How SCO manages to continue to survive while blundering around like a thundering herd of dumbass?
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
Or that SCO Even still exists for that matter.
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
Worse off? Are you kidding me? If you think we stink, why not just leave. Nothing we do would please you.
I've got friends who have had 'boots on the ground' in Iraq. They tell me story after story about how the Iraqis are glad we're there offering order and due process for them. On what do you base your assertion?
Respectfully,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
Look, complainers like you will never be satisfied - there will always be insufficient reform, and too much corruption. Too much waste and too little accomplishment.
Give me a break. Our leaders are evil? Please.
If we're so awful, why don't you find the country of paradise that you seek. Let me see - Venezuela? PRC China? Iran? Go ahead, and good riddance.
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
In the beginning
/.
A Good OS always overpowered the evils
Of bad OS sins......
But in time
The good grew weak and our
Corporate infrastructure fell to slums
While evil stood strong
In the boardrooms of hell
Lurked the FUD of hate
For he whom they feared
Just sued them
Now many many OS releases later
Lay infected beaten down
Only corpses of FOSS rebels
Ashes of outsourced paychecks
And sob-soaked streets...
It has been written
"Those who have the FOSS
Have the Future"
So come now children of the
Be strong
And shout at the Darl.
"Truth is much too complicated to allow anything but approximations"
Any boolean value that is not false must, by definition, be true.
Ah, but is it provably true?
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
I'm no Linux hacker, but this has Linus's name at the bottom, so I'm guessing it was indeed Mr. Torvalds's super-crazy and far-out versioning scheme....besides, I hear the man doesn't care for C++.
@ASP.NET's parent-teacher meeting: "Little Johnny.NET is very bright, but he doesn't play well with others."
In response to the request for kernal 2.7 and in the interests of justice and expediency SCO now requestes the court grant a six month extention to set a date to amend their previous request to discover from kernal 2.7 to kernal 2.8 instead.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
The problem is not that 'stupid patriots like' me (btw - mature response on your part, too, thank you very much) refuse to accept honesty. It's that folks who think like you want to defame, condemn and hand-wring about how terrible America is. You don't want to fix it, you want to complain about it.
Government is awful. It's inefficient, has some corrupt people, makes broad decisions without considering all of the narrow implications, and frustrates many people.
The American form of government is far from perfect. I believe that it is far better than the alternatives. You don't. We can agree to disagree respectfully, but if you're just planning to kvetch about the evil, stupid, 'imperialistic' nature of our government - while doing nothing to make it better (e.g. electing people who share your view or working to establish a new constitution here) then kindly SHUT UP so we don't have to deal with your whining.
I get angry about people who have no positive agenda, but instead attack the character and itegrity of those people who have the balls to get out there, get elected to public office and make tough decisions.
If we suck, it's YOUR FAULT for not winning the majority to your "correct" way of thinking. If your only direction is to whine, you'll never have followers and it will never get "better."
It's your choice. Frankly it's my hope that you decide to either be quiet about your world view, or keep complaining about how terrible we are rather than have you sidetrack the people who are trying (imperfectly) to do some good in the world. Ultimately it's your choice.
I went to a county council meeting last night so that my view would be heard by our leaders. What did you do last night?
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
Correction: Executives are only good at destroying companies. Al Qaeda doesn't have any corporations that can be blown up.
... "wiping up" after a particuluarly prolonged crapper.
Regardless, attaching fins to these executives and then dropping them from 45K feet is still a good idea. Think of it as
[You have a stable society when some nut guns down a schoolyard and the law doesn't change.]
...it's still a material mis-statement made to a Court. NOT a good thing to be doing, esp. if you're a Lawyer admitted to the Bar in that Court.
Judges don't take very kindly to that sort of thing, even accidentally done- I sure as Hell wouldn't want to be the Lawyer if the Judge finds out that they made this mistatement.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
I mean, TSG's pretty much slapstick already- and we were discussing them...
:-)
What's a little more of it, right?
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
In a related story: in what's been called a stunning move by Microsoft, the company side-stepped from the current SCO-IBM battle over the use of proprietary code in the linux kernel after SCO demanded IBM's contributions to a non-existing version of the Linux kernel.
'We no longer believe in the validity of the SCO claims concerning Linux', Microsofts spokesman has been quoted.
First reactions approve of the unexpected move by Microsoft.
In reaction the Microsoft stock rose by almost 2 karma points.