That still isn't perfect, because packet source addresses can be spoofed. It is probably good enough for many businesses, however, where a determined cracker can just walk in and sweet talk the receptionist. "Hi, I'm a courier to pick up some tapes for off-site storage..."
I think Sun figuratively has a rifle aimed right at SCO's head with their indemnification policies and their willingness to both open source Solaris and sell Red Hat and SuSE, all while SCO bites at IBM's little toe. SCO is a joke.
A lot of people are interested in OpenSolaris. And the lawsuits are things all businesses have to contend with, and no matter how much you try to live in an idyllic fantasy will change that. The two billion Sun got from Microsoft is justice served for how much Microsoft screws the whole industry over. Microsoft needs a few more billion dollar payouts to set them straight.
And, please, put "slowaris" to rest. It's the OS-equivalent of a baseless racial slur. If it had any substance to it, Sun wouldn't be setting records on Opteron and UltraSPARC IV, right now.
That's $7500 per year per machine, which isn't rediculous depending on the circumstances. You really provide no details. Plus, everything is negotiable.
UNIX was open source long before Linux ever came around. Then things changed and all UNIX was closed source for a while. Now it will be open again. Linux may have affected timing, but hackers and open source would have come around eventually, no matter what.
I am not sure about you but I am not buying this half-hearted OpenSolaris movement.
Solaris x86 and Solaris SPARC are 90+% the same source code, differing only where porting requires. So, the OS programmers on the SPARC side == the OS programmers on the x86 side.
Which linker? Which version of libc? Linux or UNIX headers?
C is technically the most portable language ever, but it doens't make it trivial. People say "test everywhere" as if that's supposed to make Java look bad, but I think it is a god-send relative to hacking up the C preprocessor and figuring out autoconf.
When I programmed in Java, it wasn't Java itself that was the problem with respect to abstraction, it was the dime-a-dozen here-today-gone-tomorrow APIs that appeared on the cover of JavaPro. My co-workers would get all hot and horny over some new API only to have it backfire due to bugs, high volatility between versions, or the API just solving the problem terribly. Java itself is actually quite good, and Sun makes an good effort with it. However, with popularity came idiots, and with idiots came the APIs. Kinda like that usenet/AOL article earlier today. And don't get me started on XML. Ugh.
I bought a decent scientific calculator for about $25. It has everything a cell phone does except the chip and an antenna. The battery in a cell phone is a little beefier, too, but not so much to drive the cost way up.
Zealotrous is the wrong word. I try to give credit to all the UNIX/Linux/OSS systems while shamelessly bashing Microsoft. There are too many AC's trying to blow my fan-dom out of proportion.
As far as this thread goes, the original point about Sun trying to make non-Sun platforms perform worse, somehow, is just flat-out wrong. That's why I focused on that particular point.
Again, this is another Slashdot conversation rendered pointless by AC's.
Sun and Red Hat have different methods of certification, so comparing numbers of systems leads nowhere. Both HCLs are large. This is why the HCL trolls are wasting their time.
and probably have lousy hardware support for running on anything else. (drivers for common non-Sun NICs and storage controllers will be missing, etc...)
Speculative drivel. Sun publishes which systems are fully tested and supported in their HCL. There also a note that the Solaris 9 HCL will be rolled into that for Solaris 10 (so please, no HCL trolls).
"My OS is becoming irrelevant! Lots more stuff runs on Linux! Save me, IBM!!!"
Hardly. Sun sells more UNIX than anyone else on the planet--even a lot more than IBM. They are about as irrelevant in the server space as Microsoft is in the desktop space.
A Linux Server with a big cluster of Cell processors, Sun Who??
Sun is coming out with their own stuff: Niagara and Rock.
This Cell, Niagara, (whatever Intel comes up with) hype is largely just the next generation of massively-multi-core CPUs. Their marketing materials will make you think each company is the first the best and the most awesomest for people to latch onto.
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That still isn't perfect, because packet source addresses can be spoofed. It is probably good enough for many businesses, however, where a determined cracker can just walk in and sweet talk the receptionist. "Hi, I'm a courier to pick up some tapes for off-site storage..."
Actually, UNIX/Linux is perfect for the desktop, now, but it'll take time for game developers to commit to it. A few already have. Just be patient.
I think Sun figuratively has a rifle aimed right at SCO's head with their indemnification policies and their willingness to both open source Solaris and sell Red Hat and SuSE, all while SCO bites at IBM's little toe. SCO is a joke.
At first, I agreed with you, but then I realized that I watched dozens of Ferengi get jerked off on TNG (their ear thing) and, now, am not so sure.
But the Ferengi thing was much classier--people didn't know what they saw was outright alien fornication! Those TNG writers were quite crafty.
Funny that PCI-X and AGP are on their way out...
A lot of people are interested in OpenSolaris. And the lawsuits are things all businesses have to contend with, and no matter how much you try to live in an idyllic fantasy will change that. The two billion Sun got from Microsoft is justice served for how much Microsoft screws the whole industry over. Microsoft needs a few more billion dollar payouts to set them straight.
And, please, put "slowaris" to rest. It's the OS-equivalent of a baseless racial slur. If it had any substance to it, Sun wouldn't be setting records on Opteron and UltraSPARC IV, right now.
Solaris is based on Solaris. SCO is impotent to do anything about it.
That's $7500 per year per machine, which isn't rediculous depending on the circumstances. You really provide no details. Plus, everything is negotiable.
UNIX was open source long before Linux ever came around. Then things changed and all UNIX was closed source for a while. Now it will be open again. Linux may have affected timing, but hackers and open source would have come around eventually, no matter what.
I am not sure about you but I am not buying this half-hearted OpenSolaris movement.
You won't have to buy it--it will be free!
Solaris x86 and Solaris SPARC are 90+% the same source code, differing only where porting requires. So, the OS programmers on the SPARC side == the OS programmers on the x86 side.
Their press release at sun.com said OpenSolaris via the CDDL will make 1,600 patents available to open source.
I found OpenBSD easier to install than Red Hat. I'm not sure what that means about me, though.
Which linker? Which version of libc? Linux or UNIX headers?
C is technically the most portable language ever, but it doens't make it trivial. People say "test everywhere" as if that's supposed to make Java look bad, but I think it is a god-send relative to hacking up the C preprocessor and figuring out autoconf.
Sorry about that, _Powerbook_ didn't sink in right away.
I had no trouble with recent JDKs on Debian 3.0. Your powerbook must be the flintstones model.
When I programmed in Java, it wasn't Java itself that was the problem with respect to abstraction, it was the dime-a-dozen here-today-gone-tomorrow APIs that appeared on the cover of JavaPro. My co-workers would get all hot and horny over some new API only to have it backfire due to bugs, high volatility between versions, or the API just solving the problem terribly. Java itself is actually quite good, and Sun makes an good effort with it. However, with popularity came idiots, and with idiots came the APIs. Kinda like that usenet/AOL article earlier today. And don't get me started on XML. Ugh.
Oh, it'll burn. I'm sure of it...(eyes gas can).
I bought a decent scientific calculator for about $25. It has everything a cell phone does except the chip and an antenna. The battery in a cell phone is a little beefier, too, but not so much to drive the cost way up.
You can benefit from Solaris' threading and scheduler implementations, its API stability, its relative maturity and battle-hardened nature.
Of course, you could always bask in the glory that is CDE!
Zealotrous is the wrong word. I try to give credit to all the UNIX/Linux/OSS systems while shamelessly bashing Microsoft. There are too many AC's trying to blow my fan-dom out of proportion.
As far as this thread goes, the original point about Sun trying to make non-Sun platforms perform worse, somehow, is just flat-out wrong. That's why I focused on that particular point.
Again, this is another Slashdot conversation rendered pointless by AC's.
Sun and Red Hat have different methods of certification, so comparing numbers of systems leads nowhere. Both HCLs are large. This is why the HCL trolls are wasting their time.
This is similar to your idea.
and probably have lousy hardware support for running on anything else. (drivers for common non-Sun NICs and storage controllers will be missing, etc...)
Speculative drivel. Sun publishes which systems are fully tested and supported in their HCL. There also a note that the Solaris 9 HCL will be rolled into that for Solaris 10 (so please, no HCL trolls).
"My OS is becoming irrelevant! Lots more stuff runs on Linux! Save me, IBM!!!"
Hardly. Sun sells more UNIX than anyone else on the planet--even a lot more than IBM. They are about as irrelevant in the server space as Microsoft is in the desktop space.
A Linux Server with a big cluster of Cell processors, Sun Who??
Sun is coming out with their own stuff: Niagara and Rock.
This Cell, Niagara, (whatever Intel comes up with) hype is largely just the next generation of massively-multi-core CPUs. Their marketing materials will make you think each company is the first the best and the most awesomest for people to latch onto.