Seeing your nick, you're a troll. This is not for you, but for those you might mislead.
Appreciate that my bias isn't hidden. Are you so aware of people posting here who are HP fans or IBM fans or Microsoft fans? You really need to think about this, because there is a FUD storm surrounding OpenSolaris, right now.
If you don't like the CDDL, don't bitch so much and be happy with what you already have. Patents are a ball of wax unto themselves. I bet every big company out there has a thousand patents that they can pull out at any time against Linux, right now, next week, while we sleep. Just be happy they aren't so foolish.
Only a prick, or someone whole heartedly against FOSS development and community would say anything even remotely close to this.
No, only a prick, or someone with money to make bashing Sun, would say anything other than I said. What are the core values of OSS? Freedom--from both the developers' and the users' perspective. Sun chose their path, the BSDs chose theirs, Apache chose theirs, and Linux has its own. The are communities unto themselves, and share in other ways with eachother (e.g., sharing applications across systems).
Again, people are inflating this whole issue. The emotional response indicates Sun is hurting the feelings of the Linux fanboys by not showering them with $500,000,000 worth of easy tech. Please, grow up.
I don't work for Sun. I don't even play hockey. A good astroturfer studies the trolls, the ones who can incite a response without the reader realizing it. My bias is clear, take it or leave it, I don't care.
Bruce Perens, on the other hand, he is a master astroturfer for the people who make money off of Linux. The people who don't make money off of linux, they don't care. But watch out for Red Hat, HP, and IBM. They do care; they care very much.
No, it wasn't a petty attack at all. Bruce has an agenda against Sun, evidenced by his comments today and by his prior employment with HP (a Sun foe). Slashdot needs to start putting less weight on his opinions in any thread concerning Sun.
I'm suprised by your reply. It seems you have become a linux fanboy of the most extreme kind. How is Sun's actions a "spoiler"? Seriously, your only possible complaint is that you can't cherry pick Sun's kernel technology for yourself if you write code under a different license. It is this selfishness that is causing a distasteful reek from the anti-Sun crowd.
At first, I was impressed that this whole discussion was starting off fairly maturely, but it appears it all fell apart this morning.
Even worse, the moderators think your opinion is cast in gold from the heavens. My opinion of Slashdot is falling rapidly.
OpenSolaris cannot be made proprietary again. The cat will be out of the bag. HP, IBM, and Dell can take it and sell it without paying Sun for it. There's already talk about OpenSolaris distributions, like Gentoo.
IBM is the contrary, it has redeemed itself from being a monopolistic, arrogant behemoth to a major player in open source now.
Yeah, right. IBM is now the cute cuddly teddy bear. People complain about Sun being inconsistent, yet find no fault in IBM selling every OS and architecture ever invented, most of which have overlapping purposes and competing sales teams. Sometimes, the IBM fanboys' blinders are on so tight that they double as a pin-hole camera during eclipses.
It's about freedom, and that makes linux far, far superior to solaris for most applications.
How is Linux more free than OpenSolaris? You cannot argue that it is; you can argue only that Linux came first in the OSI sense. This ordering is irrelevant, and it is undenyable that both Linux and OpenSolaris are free systems.
The CDDL behaves just as the GPL does, so RMS really wouldn't have a solid basis to argue against it. If RMS doesn't express that OpenSolaris is a step in the right direction, then that would be disappointing.
The fact that the CDDL is incompatible with the GPL...
People should stop caring so much about this. Sun had to figure out the best terms for laying out hundreds of millions of dollars worth of IP, and they found satisfaction with the CDDL. This is their right, and OSS advocates everywhere need to respect this and wish Sun luck.
It is immature for GPL advocates to get all up-in-arms about the CDDL. Be happy that their is yet another big OSS project in the mix, rather than bitch about "wah, we can't cherry pick Sun's technology for ourselves." OpenSolaris, Linux, *BSD, etc. will all exist in parallel quite naturally. They compete only as brothers, with the common foe being Microsoft.
People seem to be so infatuated with PowerPC that IBM is merely riding the wave. At least it's a better arch than x86, so it isn't all bad. I just wish it wasn't IBM holding all the cards. This could backfire big-time in the long term (just like Microsoft and Intel are showing signs of peaking--Longhorn and Itanium...good luck, guys).
I know National Geographic isn't a scientific journal, but they had a chart in one issue plotting greenhouse gas levels against average temperatures for known history (e.g, current data, ice cores, etc.). It didn't take a statistician to see the correlation.
The only real debate is over causation, the correlation is obvious.
What are the legal ways for companies to conveniently shuffle money around so the overall numbers are the same but make certain things look more profitable? They could be throwing a bone to XBox supporters while nothing has really changed.
1) Endianness will probably cause problems when you least want them.
2) Parsing wide-character string data can be a pain.
I mostly think XML is 95% overrated and 5% genuine usefulness, but, in a world of people who have never heard of a big-endian computer regardless of a degree CS/CE/EE, it's a tough call.
You know, I think colleges should start offering 4-year degrees in XML. That way we would be assured of having a few people in the world who actually know how to use it properly.
He obviously lives in a fallen-wood-built hut in the woods and lives off of foraging for berries. Occasionally, he'll strike it rich and find a squirrel that died of natural causes. But he has to eat it raw, because a fire pollutes the atmosphere. I'd tell him that breathing pollutes, too, but that would just be too mean. Watching him scurry around the woods is kinda fun, anyway (yeah, look up in the big maple tree...see the camera...hello, there...ha ha).
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Seeing your nick, you're a troll. This is not for you, but for those you might mislead.
Appreciate that my bias isn't hidden. Are you so aware of people posting here who are HP fans or IBM fans or Microsoft fans? You really need to think about this, because there is a FUD storm surrounding OpenSolaris, right now.
If you don't like the CDDL, don't bitch so much and be happy with what you already have. Patents are a ball of wax unto themselves. I bet every big company out there has a thousand patents that they can pull out at any time against Linux, right now, next week, while we sleep. Just be happy they aren't so foolish.
Your agenda against Sun is wearing thin.
Only a prick, or someone whole heartedly against FOSS development and community would say anything even remotely close to this.
No, only a prick, or someone with money to make bashing Sun, would say anything other than I said. What are the core values of OSS? Freedom--from both the developers' and the users' perspective. Sun chose their path, the BSDs chose theirs, Apache chose theirs, and Linux has its own. The are communities unto themselves, and share in other ways with eachother (e.g., sharing applications across systems).
Again, people are inflating this whole issue. The emotional response indicates Sun is hurting the feelings of the Linux fanboys by not showering them with $500,000,000 worth of easy tech. Please, grow up.
I don't work for Sun. I don't even play hockey.
A good astroturfer studies the trolls, the ones who can incite a response without the reader realizing it. My bias is clear, take it or leave it, I don't care.
Bruce Perens, on the other hand, he is a master astroturfer for the people who make money off of Linux. The people who don't make money off of linux, they don't care. But watch out for Red Hat, HP, and IBM. They do care; they care very much.
What a petty and misguided attack on Bruce.
No, it wasn't a petty attack at all. Bruce has an agenda against Sun, evidenced by his comments today and by his prior employment with HP (a Sun foe). Slashdot needs to start putting less weight on his opinions in any thread concerning Sun.
I'm suprised by your reply. It seems you have become a linux fanboy of the most extreme kind. How is Sun's actions a "spoiler"? Seriously, your only possible complaint is that you can't cherry pick Sun's kernel technology for yourself if you write code under a different license. It is this selfishness that is causing a distasteful reek from the anti-Sun crowd.
At first, I was impressed that this whole discussion was starting off fairly maturely, but it appears it all fell apart this morning.
Even worse, the moderators think your opinion is cast in gold from the heavens. My opinion of Slashdot is falling rapidly.
OpenSolaris cannot be made proprietary again. The cat will be out of the bag. HP, IBM, and Dell can take it and sell it without paying Sun for it. There's already talk about OpenSolaris distributions, like Gentoo.
Why should I wish Sun or any company luck.
Because everyone is an underdog in this Microsoft world of ours.
I vote for nine or ten years. Figure two to three years pre-release for development and a seven year run in the marketplace.
IBM is the contrary, it has redeemed itself from being a monopolistic, arrogant behemoth to a major player in open source now.
Yeah, right. IBM is now the cute cuddly teddy bear. People complain about Sun being inconsistent, yet find no fault in IBM selling every OS and architecture ever invented, most of which have overlapping purposes and competing sales teams. Sometimes, the IBM fanboys' blinders are on so tight that they double as a pin-hole camera during eclipses.
It's about freedom, and that makes linux far, far superior to solaris for most applications.
How is Linux more free than OpenSolaris? You cannot argue that it is; you can argue only that Linux came first in the OSI sense. This ordering is irrelevant, and it is undenyable that both Linux and OpenSolaris are free systems.
The CDDL behaves just as the GPL does, so RMS really wouldn't have a solid basis to argue against it. If RMS doesn't express that OpenSolaris is a step in the right direction, then that would be disappointing.
The fact that the CDDL is incompatible with the GPL...
People should stop caring so much about this. Sun had to figure out the best terms for laying out hundreds of millions of dollars worth of IP, and they found satisfaction with the CDDL. This is their right, and OSS advocates everywhere need to respect this and wish Sun luck.
It is immature for GPL advocates to get all up-in-arms about the CDDL. Be happy that their is yet another big OSS project in the mix, rather than bitch about "wah, we can't cherry pick Sun's technology for ourselves." OpenSolaris, Linux, *BSD, etc. will all exist in parallel quite naturally. They compete only as brothers, with the common foe being Microsoft.
Are you sure it wasn't a "it should be like this" demo, not a "this is actually IPTV running on stage, right now" demo?
What company caved in and let Microsoft buy them, so Microsoft can add "IPTV" to their product portfolio?
People seem to be so infatuated with PowerPC that IBM is merely riding the wave. At least it's a better arch than x86, so it isn't all bad. I just wish it wasn't IBM holding all the cards. This could backfire big-time in the long term (just like Microsoft and Intel are showing signs of peaking--Longhorn and Itanium...good luck, guys).
I know National Geographic isn't a scientific journal, but they had a chart in one issue plotting greenhouse gas levels against average temperatures for known history (e.g, current data, ice cores, etc.). It didn't take a statistician to see the correlation.
The only real debate is over causation, the correlation is obvious.
What are the legal ways for companies to conveniently shuffle money around so the overall numbers are the same but make certain things look more profitable? They could be throwing a bone to XBox supporters while nothing has really changed.
B2B ... rich desktop clients ... XML web services
Baarrrffff!
I generally agree with you except:
1) Endianness will probably cause problems when you least want them.
2) Parsing wide-character string data can be a pain.
I mostly think XML is 95% overrated and 5% genuine usefulness, but, in a world of people who have never heard of a big-endian computer regardless of a degree CS/CE/EE, it's a tough call.
You know, I think colleges should start offering 4-year degrees in XML. That way we would be assured of having a few people in the world who actually know how to use it properly.
I'm waiting for the fantastic MIPS/MW of the Pentium VIIV!
Typing this on my shiney new cryogenically cooled G6 Apple laptop. Man is this thing sweet, makes a great
I think you just invented NAS!
He obviously lives in a fallen-wood-built hut in the woods and lives off of foraging for berries. Occasionally, he'll strike it rich and find a squirrel that died of natural causes. But he has to eat it raw, because a fire pollutes the atmosphere. I'd tell him that breathing pollutes, too, but that would just be too mean. Watching him scurry around the woods is kinda fun, anyway (yeah, look up in the big maple tree...see the camera...hello, there...ha ha).