Why does everyone assuming Microsoft is getting all the benefit from this deal?One reason is immediately following the announcement of the deal, Ballmer started using it to generate FUD. Microsoft can't control Linux, but this deal is an attempt. Ie, you can use the approved distro, but using anything else has vague threats against it.
By using ODF, everyone wins. Word users can use it. OpenOffice users can use it. Abiword users can use it (though, even with the most recent version I've had problems with it's import/export). Other applications should be implementing it. No lock in is there. With a Microsoft format, if you want to view it correctly you have to use a Microsoft program on a Microsoft approved OS.
The new Office OpenXML format should improve things though, but OpenOffice will still be locked out. Novell is supposed to implement support, though.
If you don't sign the contract (which always screws the artist over) with the parasites, you don't get on the radio. Fucking Clear Channel. Indie labels get ignored.
Anything less than bankruptcy for RIAA members is too good for them.
NOFX put's it well in Dinosaurs Will Die:
Kick back watch it crumble See the drowning, watch the fall I feel just terrible about it That's sarcasm, let it burn
I'm gonna make a toast when it falls apart I'm gonna raise my glass above my heart Then someone shouts "That's what they get!"
For all the years of hit and run For all the piss broke bands on VH1 Where did all, their money go? Don't we all know
Parasitic music industry As it destroys itself We'll show them how it's supposed to be
Music written from devotion Not ambition, not for fame Zero people are exploited There are no tricks, up our sleeve
Gonna fight against the mass appeal We're gonna kill the 7 record deal Make records that have more than one good song The dinosaurs will slowly die And I do believe no one will cry I'm just fucking glad I'm gonna be There to watch the fall
Prehistoric music industry Three feet in la brea tar Extinction never felt so good
If you think anyone would feel badly You are sadly, mistaken The time has come for evolution Fuck collusion, kill the five
Whatever happened to the handshake? Whatever happened to deals no-one would break? What happened to integrity? It's still there it always was For playing music just because A million reasons why
(All) dinosaurs will die (All) dinosaurs will die (All) dinosaurs will die
I do not want to piss people off the opensuse projects, its not their fault. can we have freesuse ? since its GPL'ed code, is'nt that possible ?It wouldn't be too difficult to do a CentOS with OpenSUSE. Personally I'd avoid that unless it's an actual fork, though. Mainly because Novell might start infecting it with Microsoft patents.
Microsoft is giving them $350 million (IIRC). They have to pay $40 million back over a couple years. That means they get $310 million out of the deal. How does that not add up in Novell's favor?
CVS developed from an earlier versioning system called Revision Control System (RCS), still in use, which manages individual files but not whole projects. Dick Grune has provided some brief historical notes about CVS on his site. To quote:
I created CVS to be able to cooperate with my students Erik Baalbergen and Maarten Waage on the ACK (Amsterdam Compiler Kit) C compiler. The three of us had vastly different schedules (one student was a steady 9-5 worker, the other was irregular, and I could work on the project only in the evenings). Their project ran from July 1984 to August 1985. CVS was initially called cmt, for the obvious reason that it allowed us to commit versions independently. --Dick Grune
The code was publicly released to mod.sources on June 23, 1986: the original usenet post is still visible via Google Groups.
The code that eventually evolved into the current version of CVS started with Brian Berliner in April 1989, with later input from Jeff Polk and many other contributors. Brian Berliner wrote a paper introducing his improvements to the CVS program which describes how the tool was extended and used internally by Prisma, a third party developer working on the SunOS kernel, and was released for the benefit of the community under the GPL.
Actually they make a lot of false claims too (maybe the pirates can sue for loss of business on these grounds?), they state that the pirated movies are cams or poor quality, my experience *cough* is anything but, sure i've seen a few low quality pieces, but compared to the quality of the storyline its something im willing to put up with! All of the cams I've seen have been poor quality. VHS copy of a copy quality. I occasionally download them between the time a movie leaves the theaters and makes to DVD if it's something actually good (Clerks II being the most recent example, and I'll have the DVD tonight). Usually, though, I just wait for a movie to come out on DVD and rent it. I don't feel like paying $16 (including g/f) and having to watch ads. I'd rather pay $4 and skip the ads.
the other thing that bugs me is having to watch adverts at the movies, i mean i just paid £6.50 per seat to watch a movie... why the hell are you bombarding me with adverts? trailers are one thing but adverts? i just PAID you to watch a movie, not be shown fecking ads!The claim I've heard is that it keeps the price lower. I do find it rather annoying, which is a reason why I generally avoid going to the movies. In 2006, the only two movies I saw was Clerks II (I saw it twice).
I stopped going to the movies for a few reasons. One of the main ones are all the "anti-piracy" ads I have to see every time I go there. Those damn "you wouldn't steal a car" ads on DVDs are one of the reasons I stopped buying DVDs. I bought the fucking movie, why do I have to see that? It doesn't make sense. For now I just rent or use Bittorrent. Fuck 'em.
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Eventually I will have to make the switch to Debian (which seems to be the best for NOT changing the version every freaking 6 to 12 months), but have just been too busy running the actual programs to learn a different Linux version.
Have you tried CentOS? It's based off of RHEL4 and the versions are fairly stable. It will be supported for a while. The program versions are quite old, though. I can't stand the version of Gnome it ships with (2.14 was the first version I found usable). With KDE-Redhat, though, you can get a current version of KDE.
If you do decide to go to Debian, though, give Ubuntu a try. 6.06 will be supported for several years. Another plus is unlike Fedora/RHEL you don't need to piece together many different repositories just to get the programs you need. Just enabling main, universe, and multiverse are enough. I also throw in PLF for libdvdcss2 and w32codecs.
Apache is Free Software, just not GPL compatible. I doubt RMS has a problem with it, especially as both gnu.org and fsf.org use it. Quoting GNU Licenses:
Apache License, Version 1.0
This is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license with practical problems like those of the original BSD license, including incompatibility with the GNU GPL.
Apache License, Version 1.1
This is a permissive non-copyleft free software license with a few requirements that render it incompatible with the GNU GPL.
We urge you not to use the Apache licenses for software you write. However, there is no reason to avoid running programs that have been released under this license, such as Apache.
Apache Software License, version 2.0
This is a free software license but it is incompatible with the GPL. The Apache Software License is incompatible with the GPL because it has a specific requirement that is not in the GPL: it has certain patent termination cases that the GPL does not require. (We don't think those patent termination cases are inherently a bad idea, but nonetheless they are incompatible with the GNU GPL.)
I looked at that when I first bought a Mac. I waited for a few months, but it still didn't support the version of QuickTime my system had. Now I don't really need the plugin since everything is in mp3. I'd rather use Vorbis, but then it wont work on my iPod. If I could find a 60gb+ player that supported Vorbis I would gladly go back.
Try the iFox theme. With that Firefox doesn't feel as out of place. Still, no theme fixes the Windows 95-ish form controls that every non-Windows system gets. XP gets native-looking forms. Why can't Linux and OS X?
Voris support on non-Linux systems is rather poor. Under Windows I use Zinf which is decent. Winamp >3 has pissed me off far to many times to ever bother with again. Foobar 2000 is alright, though the interface is an eyesore. Under OS X, you're out of luck. VLC is about the only decent choice and it's really only good for video.
I originally ripped over 400 cds into Vorbis format, but I've since had to re-rip them all into MP3 (LAME-encoded). The reasons were:
1) I needed a laptop and didn't want Windows. After weeks of searching, I bought a PowerBook (it dual boots with Ubuntu since Fink pissed me off one too many times). iTunes seems to be the only decent media player and it lacks support for Vorbis. The project that enabled support didn't work with the version of QuickTime Tiger ships with.
2) I wanted a portable player. I spent months looking for a player over 40G that supported Vorbis. No luck. I ended up getting a 60GB iPod.
So, I had to spend a few weeks re-riping my music collection.
I'd really prefer to use Vorbis as it's an excellent codec, but on non-Linux systems and portable players the support sucks. Xiph really needs a marketing department. For now, though, I have to put up with ~224b MP3's (I use lame's standard preset) instead of the ~160b Vorbis files I used to use. I buy music online now, too, but I only use services that support MP3 (eMusic. primarily).
Anyway, my primary OS is Linux and my media player of choice is Exaile. Look at it's screen shots. It has a very good interface and still blends in with the desktop. If you use Linux and Gnome, give it a try. If you use KDE, give amaroK a try (Exaile is a clone of amaroK, but designed for Gnome).
The Mozilla codebase is a mess. However, it is getting better. Did you look at it at all when Netscape first released the source? It was absolutely terrible. The Mozilla guys have done a good job at cleaning it over the years, but it's still a mess. They really should have just started from scratch and used the old codebase as a reference.
However, if you really want to see a codebase that's an absolute mess, download the source to OpenOffice. Same as with Mozilla, the developers are making progress on cleaning it up, but it's still a total mess.
Yes, and anyone who has ever had to maintain an incompatible fork with a Free Software project knows how difficult and time consuming that can be. In the end Novell will likely be forced to maintain their own fork of nearly all of the GNU tools, a considerable burden.Ever hear of BSD? GNU isn't the only option. OS X/Darwin use the BSD tools. So could Novell.
If this deal goes through, what we'll most likely see is SuSE being pretty much the basic Linux kernel and not a whole lot more except (as the summary states) the frozen old releases of software. Ironically, the eventual evolution of the Linux kernel will probably render these releases unusable which will mean at some point Novell will have to stick with an old edition of Linux or make the upgrades and patches itself to the rest of the software.Not necessarily. If they weren't able to use current GNU tools, there's always BSD. While, IMHO, the GNU tools are nicer the BSD tools are good and very mature. They could also write better version of, say, Samba with Microsoft's help as no reverse engineering would be necessary.
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Why does everyone assuming Microsoft is getting all the benefit from this deal?One reason is immediately following the announcement of the deal, Ballmer started using it to generate FUD. Microsoft can't control Linux, but this deal is an attempt. Ie, you can use the approved distro, but using anything else has vague threats against it.
By using ODF, everyone wins. Word users can use it. OpenOffice users can use it. Abiword users can use it (though, even with the most recent version I've had problems with it's import/export). Other applications should be implementing it. No lock in is there. With a Microsoft format, if you want to view it correctly you have to use a Microsoft program on a Microsoft approved OS.
The new Office OpenXML format should improve things though, but OpenOffice will still be locked out. Novell is supposed to implement support, though.
I have a hacking permit.
If you don't sign the contract (which always screws the artist over) with the parasites, you don't get on the radio. Fucking Clear Channel. Indie labels get ignored.
Anything less than bankruptcy for RIAA members is too good for them.
NOFX put's it well in Dinosaurs Will Die:
Kick back watch it crumble
See the drowning, watch the fall
I feel just terrible about it
That's sarcasm, let it burn
I'm gonna make a toast when it falls apart
I'm gonna raise my glass above my heart
Then someone shouts "That's what they get!"
For all the years of hit and run
For all the piss broke bands on VH1
Where did all, their money go?
Don't we all know
Parasitic music industry
As it destroys itself
We'll show them how it's supposed to be
Music written from devotion
Not ambition, not for fame
Zero people are exploited
There are no tricks, up our sleeve
Gonna fight against the mass appeal
We're gonna kill the 7 record deal
Make records that have more than one good song
The dinosaurs will slowly die
And I do believe no one will cry
I'm just fucking glad I'm gonna be
There to watch the fall
Prehistoric music industry
Three feet in la brea tar
Extinction never felt so good
If you think anyone would feel badly
You are sadly, mistaken
The time has come for evolution
Fuck collusion, kill the five
Whatever happened to the handshake?
Whatever happened to deals no-one would break?
What happened to integrity?
It's still there it always was
For playing music just because
A million reasons why
(All) dinosaurs will die
(All) dinosaurs will die
(All) dinosaurs will die
If they get less money, though, they claim it's because of the "pirates." Then they just use it as an example of how "piracy" is hurting them.
nor is Freedom free for that matterCorrect. It costs $1.05.
I do not want to piss people off the opensuse projects, its not their fault. can we have freesuse ? since its GPL'ed code, is'nt that possible ?It wouldn't be too difficult to do a CentOS with OpenSUSE. Personally I'd avoid that unless it's an actual fork, though. Mainly because Novell might start infecting it with Microsoft patents.
Microsoft is giving them $350 million (IIRC). They have to pay $40 million back over a couple years. That means they get $310 million out of the deal. How does that not add up in Novell's favor?
Japan is also dumb enough to allow software to be patented.
Source: Wikipedia, Concurrent Versions System.
Actually they make a lot of false claims too (maybe the pirates can sue for loss of business on these grounds?), they state that the pirated movies are cams or poor quality, my experience *cough* is anything but, sure i've seen a few low quality pieces, but compared to the quality of the storyline its something im willing to put up with! All of the cams I've seen have been poor quality. VHS copy of a copy quality. I occasionally download them between the time a movie leaves the theaters and makes to DVD if it's something actually good (Clerks II being the most recent example, and I'll have the DVD tonight). Usually, though, I just wait for a movie to come out on DVD and rent it. I don't feel like paying $16 (including g/f) and having to watch ads. I'd rather pay $4 and skip the ads. the other thing that bugs me is having to watch adverts at the movies, i mean i just paid £6.50 per seat to watch a movie ... why the hell are you bombarding me with adverts? trailers are one thing but adverts? i just PAID you to watch a movie, not be shown fecking ads!The claim I've heard is that it keeps the price lower. I do find it rather annoying, which is a reason why I generally avoid going to the movies. In 2006, the only two movies I saw was Clerks II (I saw it twice).
I stopped going to the movies for a few reasons. One of the main ones are all the "anti-piracy" ads I have to see every time I go there. Those damn "you wouldn't steal a car" ads on DVDs are one of the reasons I stopped buying DVDs. I bought the fucking movie, why do I have to see that? It doesn't make sense. For now I just rent or use Bittorrent. Fuck 'em.
Have you tried CentOS? It's based off of RHEL4 and the versions are fairly stable. It will be supported for a while. The program versions are quite old, though. I can't stand the version of Gnome it ships with (2.14 was the first version I found usable). With KDE-Redhat, though, you can get a current version of KDE.
If you do decide to go to Debian, though, give Ubuntu a try. 6.06 will be supported for several years. Another plus is unlike Fedora/RHEL you don't need to piece together many different repositories just to get the programs you need. Just enabling main, universe, and multiverse are enough. I also throw in PLF for libdvdcss2 and w32codecs.
That one made me think of this one. Makes me bust out laughing every time I see it. I actually have a shirt like that guy is wearing...
It is possible to turn Aero off, you know...
Thanks. I'm going to give both of those a try. The screenshots of Play look really good.
I looked at that when I first bought a Mac. I waited for a few months, but it still didn't support the version of QuickTime my system had. Now I don't really need the plugin since everything is in mp3. I'd rather use Vorbis, but then it wont work on my iPod. If I could find a 60gb+ player that supported Vorbis I would gladly go back.
The Fruit Fucker 2000.
Try the iFox theme. With that Firefox doesn't feel as out of place. Still, no theme fixes the Windows 95-ish form controls that every non-Windows system gets. XP gets native-looking forms. Why can't Linux and OS X?
Voris support on non-Linux systems is rather poor. Under Windows I use Zinf which is decent. Winamp >3 has pissed me off far to many times to ever bother with again. Foobar 2000 is alright, though the interface is an eyesore. Under OS X, you're out of luck. VLC is about the only decent choice and it's really only good for video.
I originally ripped over 400 cds into Vorbis format, but I've since had to re-rip them all into MP3 (LAME-encoded). The reasons were:
1) I needed a laptop and didn't want Windows. After weeks of searching, I bought a PowerBook (it dual boots with Ubuntu since Fink pissed me off one too many times). iTunes seems to be the only decent media player and it lacks support for Vorbis. The project that enabled support didn't work with the version of QuickTime Tiger ships with.
2) I wanted a portable player. I spent months looking for a player over 40G that supported Vorbis. No luck. I ended up getting a 60GB iPod.
So, I had to spend a few weeks re-riping my music collection.
I'd really prefer to use Vorbis as it's an excellent codec, but on non-Linux systems and portable players the support sucks. Xiph really needs a marketing department. For now, though, I have to put up with ~224b MP3's (I use lame's standard preset) instead of the ~160b Vorbis files I used to use. I buy music online now, too, but I only use services that support MP3 (eMusic. primarily).
Anyway, my primary OS is Linux and my media player of choice is Exaile. Look at it's screen shots. It has a very good interface and still blends in with the desktop. If you use Linux and Gnome, give it a try. If you use KDE, give amaroK a try (Exaile is a clone of amaroK, but designed for Gnome).
The Mozilla codebase is a mess. However, it is getting better. Did you look at it at all when Netscape first released the source? It was absolutely terrible. The Mozilla guys have done a good job at cleaning it over the years, but it's still a mess. They really should have just started from scratch and used the old codebase as a reference.
However, if you really want to see a codebase that's an absolute mess, download the source to OpenOffice. Same as with Mozilla, the developers are making progress on cleaning it up, but it's still a total mess.
They should create a controller similar to this. The games that use it should also be networkable.
Yes, and anyone who has ever had to maintain an incompatible fork with a Free Software project knows how difficult and time consuming that can be. In the end Novell will likely be forced to maintain their own fork of nearly all of the GNU tools, a considerable burden.Ever hear of BSD? GNU isn't the only option. OS X/Darwin use the BSD tools. So could Novell.
If this deal goes through, what we'll most likely see is SuSE being pretty much the basic Linux kernel and not a whole lot more except (as the summary states) the frozen old releases of software. Ironically, the eventual evolution of the Linux kernel will probably render these releases unusable which will mean at some point Novell will have to stick with an old edition of Linux or make the upgrades and patches itself to the rest of the software.Not necessarily. If they weren't able to use current GNU tools, there's always BSD. While, IMHO, the GNU tools are nicer the BSD tools are good and very mature. They could also write better version of, say, Samba with Microsoft's help as no reverse engineering would be necessary.