Eh, good point. I was putting that there merely in case someone did one of the "Gee, isn't funny that he'd reccomend X when Y does it too?!?!?! lol lmao !!11!" posts. I agree with you, because on a t-shirt it might be free speech, but telling law enforecement that someone is breaking the law when they clearly aren't infringes upon their rights during the questioning.
Interestingly enough, I just read today of a case where a man in New mexico (couldn't find a link, try USA Today) is standing for sentencing, of up to a year (3 total, but one for this one charge) for "criminal libil". 16 states have the law that makes it a misdemeanor to circulate and "false or malicious statement affecting the reputation, business, or occupation of another, or which exposes another to hatred, contempt, ridcule, degradation, or disgust". Now, clearly PA would also be in the wrong here, with their shirts, but I'm focusing on the one statement Jack made
"to shut this little extortion factory down and/or arrest some of its employees"
Where, extortion factory could be a statement that affects their business (although in this casem probably positively, heh). IANAL in any regards, but I found this article interesting.
I'll use it. I have an internal wireless network of my own, and I also use the neighbors wireless internet sometimes (when ours goes down). I know them, they're cool with it, before anyone jumps on me for that. But using this I can use my laptop as a bridge between the two networks when our servie goes down very nicely, I hope.
You're correct in pointing out that most businesses won't use it, I think, but I also think that home users might get a kick out of it for the reason specified above. Also, it might be good to set up an ad-hoc network to a PDA or like device, to bring it on the local network.
I can think of a lot of projects, FOSS and otherwise that I'd rather them have spent more time on the code then the website. Perhaps, the few number of people Microsoft has working on this couldn't be bothered to spend a lot of time in some big WYSIWYG and did it by hand? *gasp* No... look at the source, either they removed the tags that most WYSIWYGs throw in (encoding, etc) or they just did it by hand. It sure looks like the latter to me the way the html and head/body tags are spaced. For that matter the logo they're using looks like it was done in paint with #d text and a few concentric circles, also a good, five minute job.
All-in-all, I think this is a good first version website, meant to just get the information out there, not impress anyone. They don't have to worry about that until their software is functional. Notice the
""Multiple cards: The kernel implementation of VirtualWiFi supports multiple cards. However, we have not incorporated this support in the user level code of this release.""
at the bottom? Good indication that this isn't near ready, and the site is probably used either internally, or externally for a few people that they want to test the software, and to be open with their research.
Sex! Of course, it all makes sense now! *thwap* And, with a partner... that explains what I've been doing wrong all these years!
In all seriousness, I used to work at McDonalds, and a lot of parents had the same view as you. Let the kids play, and have a chance to relax a little (they don't have to clean up if the kids make a mess there, rather then at home).
A new Microsoft product... with no security enabled... didn't see that one coming!
In all seriousness though, this looks like it might be decent once its gets out of 1.0
Actually (when booting to a gui in fedora core 4) my XP box boots hell of a lot faster then my Fedora box. THe XP is AMD 2.0 gHz, and the Fedora is Intel 2.8 gHz... so... I don't think your statement is entirely accurate. (Yes, I realize its a joke, I just wanna throw out the possibility that windows might be better for something, from a user who hates having to use windows). I realize I'm gonna get flamed for this.
RTFA then read your comment. Kinda stupid huh? If you read it, you'd know that "down" is inclusive, as in version 1.0.7 and everything below. Or, go check the source code, its in comments there as well... In fact, if you really read the summary, it doesn't say 'just below 1.0.7' but 1.0.7 down, so even IT implies it's inclusive. I boggle over people like you *boggle*
I may be one of the few that gets your last statement, and I think that's a testament that he (Charlie Wilson) could get voters to vote for him. I agree that he shoulda been thrown in jail (for also mucking about with foreign policy) but the voters had their way.
You know, that's a viewpoint I never thought of before, thank you. However, I've had (quite consistantly with dell) major problems understanding the person, so my personal bias against outsourcing call centers will remain. But in all seriousness, I know understand the argument for them a little better, thanks.
Of course! If you visit a college campus you'll see that people have two choices (well, three with cell phones, but I'm sticking with computers). Either wait for the school's slow web/email servers (since they don't bother with an email client, just web mail), or use an IM client. Now, if the person you need to talk to might be two floors above you, which is easier? (Yes, you could go up and talk, but who's to say they're there?) I use IM to talk with my mother at home, as well as other older members of my family because its conveniant.
But... but... its so cute! You mean, applications can hurt me? And I probably won't get my check from Nigeria? Nuts... he sounded so sincere
All joking aside, this is exactly what I tell my friends here at schoo. Rather then try to convert them to Linux (although I do do that as well) I make sure they at least learn the basics... much like sex ed in schools nowadays. Yea, abstinance is good, but if you're GONNA do it... I show 'em what a firewall is, I explain not to leave yourself logged in as root, or admin, etc.
I've programmed for a few sites, guru.com being the most recent. I kinda like it (from a programmers point of view) but I don't think any of those sites can compare to one-on-one meetings with whomever is doing X for ya. Why? Its just so much easier to not have to wait for emails to turn around for an answer, and to get a feeling for who you're dealing with. As some pointed out above, a lot of times the going-rate is really cheap, due to foriegn nationals advertising where work is cheaper. This makes it harder for those in the States to get work, when people undercut by an order of magnitude sometimes. Also, reliabilty, sometimes people just back out. When you see someone, and have them sign a contract in front of you, its a lot more binding then a bunch of 1s and 0s across the internet. Just my $0.02
"...and to integrate Windows and Unix systems."
We are the Borg, resistance is futile. You will integrate into the MOAOS (Mother of all Operating Systems). Your designation shall be SH of IT.
I have audacity on my windows machine, runs beautifully. It might be that whomever wrote the tool you're looking at wanted it to run on a linux box, in which case there might not be a port for windows, but if you ask, it just might happen.
Nobody was born able to code, we've all had to learn it. Some are better then others, some need a lot of work to keep up, just like any other skill in the world. Now, I didn't used to be able to screw with audio, but I happened to download audacity and made some good stuff for a school project. Did I bitch about not being able to edit a track? No... I read the help file, then edited the track. If you invested the time it took to write that comment into googling for "learning programming", you might help yourself.
Having done my little rant, I'll offer some helpful advice, since its obvious you won't try to learn. Find someone that programs. I'm sure they'd be more then happy to help you. I've done work for my roommate (a math major, who also learned to program recently), a couple school organizations, and a few computer gaming clans. Use tools such as freshmeat and sourceforge to find people who are doing the same thing as you. I'm sure you'll be able to find some way to get what you want/need done done.
Oh, and for random information, while I do code, I've never written any addons for FOSS, I use it because someone else has written everything I need already, and for the knowledge that if I ever need to change it, I can. Its all about freedom here.
I don't like the flashyness (no pun intended, RTFA if you don't get the pun). I *hate* MSN with a passion, yet need it for some people I interact with on a daily basis. I always use GAIM for this. There is no way I want someone on another system screwing with my desktop and making it shake (yes, I know its only one window, but still). I am quite happy with text only, and, surprisingly, so are most of my friends at college. That's right, young people, non-CS majors, heck most not even computer savvy, using GAIM and enjoying it. It saves them trouble, not having to have 4 messenger clients, time, not having to START 4 clients on an already slow windows system, and RAM, see above. Not only that, but it stops the darn ads. I've only had one person "not like it" so far, and that was because the file transfer screwed up. I gave them free ftp programs, and that worked too... ahh the magic of open source. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm sure there are a lot of 13 year olds who want those bells and whistles, but for those of us who are sane, and just want to be able to talk to someone in peace, I'll take my text-only any day of the week.
I got my first one at 16. Banks'll let you do it, especially if a parent will sign on it with you. (Think of it, teenage girls and shopping, why WOULDN'T they want that interest to build up an extra 2 years?)
Ok, this sounds interesting, but my first question right off the bat was, "Who do we hold responsible?" "The developers". Oh, right, and how do we find them? Holding a company responsible is one thing, you can be fairly sure the name on the box is the one that made it, but how do you track the Joe Blow that forgot to bounds check his string and allowed a buffer overflow? Unless there's a comment right there with his name on it, good luck! And even on the company level, you can't always be sure that X part of the code was contracted out, in which case would you blame the guy that wrote it (again if you could find him), or the guy that failed to correctly bug test it when it got in-shop? This sounds like a nice load of bull to me, designed to make the public say "yea we need this!" and not actually useful. Imagine if you will if they held the operator of the tire manufacturing thingy liable, instead of goodyear, no way that'd go over. Adn as someone pointed out above, what about if you change the code once you purchase it? Then Does the blame shift to the person who was supposed to choose what to change? The guy who changed stuff within 100 lines of the bug and missed it, or does the blame still stay with Joe Blow? Again, I think this is a load of bull, and I tell you MY Hello World programs never had exploits written for them *grin*.
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Eh, good point. I was putting that there merely in case someone did one of the "Gee, isn't funny that he'd reccomend X when Y does it too?!?!?! lol lmao !!11!" posts. I agree with you, because on a t-shirt it might be free speech, but telling law enforecement that someone is breaking the law when they clearly aren't infringes upon their rights during the questioning.
Interestingly enough, I just read today of a case where a man in New mexico (couldn't find a link, try USA Today) is standing for sentencing, of up to a year (3 total, but one for this one charge) for "criminal libil". 16 states have the law that makes it a misdemeanor to circulate and "false or malicious statement affecting the reputation, business, or occupation of another, or which exposes another to hatred, contempt, ridcule, degradation, or disgust". Now, clearly PA would also be in the wrong here, with their shirts, but I'm focusing on the one statement Jack made "to shut this little extortion factory down and/or arrest some of its employees" Where, extortion factory could be a statement that affects their business (although in this casem probably positively, heh). IANAL in any regards, but I found this article interesting.
I'll use it. I have an internal wireless network of my own, and I also use the neighbors wireless internet sometimes (when ours goes down). I know them, they're cool with it, before anyone jumps on me for that. But using this I can use my laptop as a bridge between the two networks when our servie goes down very nicely, I hope. You're correct in pointing out that most businesses won't use it, I think, but I also think that home users might get a kick out of it for the reason specified above. Also, it might be good to set up an ad-hoc network to a PDA or like device, to bring it on the local network.
I can think of a lot of projects, FOSS and otherwise that I'd rather them have spent more time on the code then the website. Perhaps, the few number of people Microsoft has working on this couldn't be bothered to spend a lot of time in some big WYSIWYG and did it by hand? *gasp* No... look at the source, either they removed the tags that most WYSIWYGs throw in (encoding, etc) or they just did it by hand. It sure looks like the latter to me the way the html and head/body tags are spaced. For that matter the logo they're using looks like it was done in paint with #d text and a few concentric circles, also a good, five minute job. All-in-all, I think this is a good first version website, meant to just get the information out there, not impress anyone. They don't have to worry about that until their software is functional. Notice the ""Multiple cards: The kernel implementation of VirtualWiFi supports multiple cards. However, we have not incorporated this support in the user level code of this release."" at the bottom? Good indication that this isn't near ready, and the site is probably used either internally, or externally for a few people that they want to test the software, and to be open with their research.
Sex! Of course, it all makes sense now! *thwap* And, with a partner... that explains what I've been doing wrong all these years! In all seriousness, I used to work at McDonalds, and a lot of parents had the same view as you. Let the kids play, and have a chance to relax a little (they don't have to clean up if the kids make a mess there, rather then at home).
A new Microsoft product... with no security enabled... didn't see that one coming! In all seriousness though, this looks like it might be decent once its gets out of 1.0
Actually (when booting to a gui in fedora core 4) my XP box boots hell of a lot faster then my Fedora box. THe XP is AMD 2.0 gHz, and the Fedora is Intel 2.8 gHz... so... I don't think your statement is entirely accurate. (Yes, I realize its a joke, I just wanna throw out the possibility that windows might be better for something, from a user who hates having to use windows). I realize I'm gonna get flamed for this.
""And they are forced to eat hot gravel...."" Forced?! They're provided with a hot, heavy meal everyday! And you think that's bad.... tsk tsk
Those specific features, all in one person, is Charlie Wilson, but I agree with you completely about the others.
RTFA then read your comment. Kinda stupid huh? If you read it, you'd know that "down" is inclusive, as in version 1.0.7 and everything below. Or, go check the source code, its in comments there as well... In fact, if you really read the summary, it doesn't say 'just below 1.0.7' but 1.0.7 down, so even IT implies it's inclusive. I boggle over people like you *boggle*
and.. c) gets a job offer
I may be one of the few that gets your last statement, and I think that's a testament that he (Charlie Wilson) could get voters to vote for him. I agree that he shoulda been thrown in jail (for also mucking about with foreign policy) but the voters had their way.
You know, that's a viewpoint I never thought of before, thank you. However, I've had (quite consistantly with dell) major problems understanding the person, so my personal bias against outsourcing call centers will remain. But in all seriousness, I know understand the argument for them a little better, thanks.
I am heir to the FBI throne which was recently desposed. FOr only $2000 down, you can secure your right to this massive wealth as well.
Let them think they're clever, we have Bush and nukes... *cough*points out "terrorism"*cough*
Of course! If you visit a college campus you'll see that people have two choices (well, three with cell phones, but I'm sticking with computers). Either wait for the school's slow web/email servers (since they don't bother with an email client, just web mail), or use an IM client. Now, if the person you need to talk to might be two floors above you, which is easier? (Yes, you could go up and talk, but who's to say they're there?) I use IM to talk with my mother at home, as well as other older members of my family because its conveniant.
But... but... its so cute! You mean, applications can hurt me? And I probably won't get my check from Nigeria? Nuts... he sounded so sincere All joking aside, this is exactly what I tell my friends here at schoo. Rather then try to convert them to Linux (although I do do that as well) I make sure they at least learn the basics... much like sex ed in schools nowadays. Yea, abstinance is good, but if you're GONNA do it... I show 'em what a firewall is, I explain not to leave yourself logged in as root, or admin, etc.
I've programmed for a few sites, guru.com being the most recent. I kinda like it (from a programmers point of view) but I don't think any of those sites can compare to one-on-one meetings with whomever is doing X for ya. Why? Its just so much easier to not have to wait for emails to turn around for an answer, and to get a feeling for who you're dealing with. As some pointed out above, a lot of times the going-rate is really cheap, due to foriegn nationals advertising where work is cheaper. This makes it harder for those in the States to get work, when people undercut by an order of magnitude sometimes. Also, reliabilty, sometimes people just back out. When you see someone, and have them sign a contract in front of you, its a lot more binding then a bunch of 1s and 0s across the internet. Just my $0.02
"...and to integrate Windows and Unix systems." We are the Borg, resistance is futile. You will integrate into the MOAOS (Mother of all Operating Systems). Your designation shall be SH of IT.
Y2k, anyone?
I have audacity on my windows machine, runs beautifully. It might be that whomever wrote the tool you're looking at wanted it to run on a linux box, in which case there might not be a port for windows, but if you ask, it just might happen.
Nobody was born able to code, we've all had to learn it. Some are better then others, some need a lot of work to keep up, just like any other skill in the world. Now, I didn't used to be able to screw with audio, but I happened to download audacity and made some good stuff for a school project. Did I bitch about not being able to edit a track? No... I read the help file, then edited the track. If you invested the time it took to write that comment into googling for "learning programming", you might help yourself. Having done my little rant, I'll offer some helpful advice, since its obvious you won't try to learn. Find someone that programs. I'm sure they'd be more then happy to help you. I've done work for my roommate (a math major, who also learned to program recently), a couple school organizations, and a few computer gaming clans. Use tools such as freshmeat and sourceforge to find people who are doing the same thing as you. I'm sure you'll be able to find some way to get what you want/need done done. Oh, and for random information, while I do code, I've never written any addons for FOSS, I use it because someone else has written everything I need already, and for the knowledge that if I ever need to change it, I can. Its all about freedom here.
I don't like the flashyness (no pun intended, RTFA if you don't get the pun). I *hate* MSN with a passion, yet need it for some people I interact with on a daily basis. I always use GAIM for this. There is no way I want someone on another system screwing with my desktop and making it shake (yes, I know its only one window, but still). I am quite happy with text only, and, surprisingly, so are most of my friends at college. That's right, young people, non-CS majors, heck most not even computer savvy, using GAIM and enjoying it. It saves them trouble, not having to have 4 messenger clients, time, not having to START 4 clients on an already slow windows system, and RAM, see above. Not only that, but it stops the darn ads. I've only had one person "not like it" so far, and that was because the file transfer screwed up. I gave them free ftp programs, and that worked too... ahh the magic of open source. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm sure there are a lot of 13 year olds who want those bells and whistles, but for those of us who are sane, and just want to be able to talk to someone in peace, I'll take my text-only any day of the week.
I got my first one at 16. Banks'll let you do it, especially if a parent will sign on it with you. (Think of it, teenage girls and shopping, why WOULDN'T they want that interest to build up an extra 2 years?)
Ok, this sounds interesting, but my first question right off the bat was, "Who do we hold responsible?" "The developers". Oh, right, and how do we find them? Holding a company responsible is one thing, you can be fairly sure the name on the box is the one that made it, but how do you track the Joe Blow that forgot to bounds check his string and allowed a buffer overflow? Unless there's a comment right there with his name on it, good luck! And even on the company level, you can't always be sure that X part of the code was contracted out, in which case would you blame the guy that wrote it (again if you could find him), or the guy that failed to correctly bug test it when it got in-shop? This sounds like a nice load of bull to me, designed to make the public say "yea we need this!" and not actually useful. Imagine if you will if they held the operator of the tire manufacturing thingy liable, instead of goodyear, no way that'd go over. Adn as someone pointed out above, what about if you change the code once you purchase it? Then Does the blame shift to the person who was supposed to choose what to change? The guy who changed stuff within 100 lines of the bug and missed it, or does the blame still stay with Joe Blow? Again, I think this is a load of bull, and I tell you MY Hello World programs never had exploits written for them *grin*.