Why is it when someone points out the flaws in someone's vapid espousing of the Tesla sales pamphlet people get defensive? Its pretty clearly not competitive with real performance cars and its pretty clearly not competitive with luxury cars at that price point. Its also selling an order of magnitude less than other brands yet its cleaning up the segment?
Tax credits? Probably also infrastructure on their charging network, service & sales. In Europe, Japan or South Korea they also deal with tariffs as well as preference for domestic manufacturers.
Shock waves reverberate around the planet as Samsung claims it has better products than its competitors. This revolutionary marketing technique is sure to catch on with other companies and before long no one will admit they make second rate products publicly.
The poster specifically stated - if you drive 200000 km you can justify a Tesla which is clearly not the case. Incidentally I also thought the poster said 20k miles so the break even point is 60% more than what I said.
The range on the Leaf is very small, its fine for most people to daily but you'd need a second car, or to rent something else the instant you leave town.
I'll make you a bet, $100 to charity. Someone who takes a 3-year lease on the a Chevy Bolt today will return the car before Tesla fulfills even half the pre-orders on the 3.
0-60 isn't a relevant performance metric. Put a Tesla against porsches in any performance scenario (barring say a single 0-60 pull) and it will lose, the Porsche will do more 0-60s, will corner, and will pull away from the Tesla at high speeds. The Porsche will also have a better interior and better build quality. I'm not sure that too many people would seriously cross-shop the two brands.
Mercedes & BMW seem more likely to be cross shopped (ignoring M-cars and AMGs), however both will have significantly better build quality & interiors which would sell them to a lot of buyers.
Cost of 20,000 city miles - 20000 miles / 29 mpg * 2.30 $/g = $1600
Number of years to payback: 53400 / 1600 = 33 years
Cost of 20,000 highway miles - 20000 miles / 39 mpg * 2.30 $/g = $1200
Number of years to payback: 53400 / 1600 = 44 years
Also consider the cost of electricity, and you will definitely find a Mazda3 on the lot for less than sticker at some point in the year both of which increase the payback time by a few years. We're also ignoring interest, if you invested the 50k or finance the car over 30-40 years that is massive.
I'm all for EVs, I just don't think Tesla fanboism is justified. A Chevy Bolt is 37500 (30k w/ credits) so the break-even is <10 years though we're also dealing with a first generation product that probably won't last as long as a combustion engine which we have a 100-years of experience building.
Unfortunately VentureBeat is really not the site that should be linked to. From more technical sites apparently specs like HDR10 perform tone mapping on both the source and the display which add latency, AMD is proposing a protocol where the GPU would perform tone mapping onto the space used by that specific monitor which would eliminate latency i the pipeline.
Its too bad they're choosing to use the FreeSync brand for this since it doesn't appear to be related to the original.
If your basement is finished I'm not sure I would bother as you'd need to do a lot of fishing (or installing access ports.
Firstly, don't retrofit it in the external walls. If you go into the attic make sure once you run the cable use a can of spray foam to fill in the gaps. You don't want to allow outside air into your walls, it will cause heat loss / gain.
Otherwise you buy flexible drill bits that are ~4 feet long, this lets you hit the right angle to drill between floors, if you don't hit the right angle you will need patch drywall. Obviously don't be a dumbass, you need to know exactly where wiring, and gas lines are before you do any of this. Then its basically the same as with one floor, cut a hole in the drywall and install one of the low voltage boxes.
You can buy cabling rated for air ducts, I'm not sure what the limitations are (return only?)
Lets be honest here, the problem most people have is radio congestion in dense areas and the problem everyone else has is that consumer routers are buggy pieces of shit.
The article implies its in Windows software not hardware. Doing this in hardware would probably run into x86 licensing issues that Intel could tie up in the court system for decades.
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I have yet to read a post from someone who prefers his Porsche over his Tesla.
Maybe that is because you're looking for confirmation on the Tesla forums?
Why is it when someone points out the flaws in someone's vapid espousing of the Tesla sales pamphlet people get defensive? Its pretty clearly not competitive with real performance cars and its pretty clearly not competitive with luxury cars at that price point. Its also selling an order of magnitude less than other brands yet its cleaning up the segment?
Tax credits? Probably also infrastructure on their charging network, service & sales. In Europe, Japan or South Korea they also deal with tariffs as well as preference for domestic manufacturers.
Shock waves reverberate around the planet as Samsung claims it has better products than its competitors. This revolutionary marketing technique is sure to catch on with other companies and before long no one will admit they make second rate products publicly.
Tesla is rated as one of the least reliable brands.
The poster specifically stated - if you drive 200000 km you can justify a Tesla which is clearly not the case. Incidentally I also thought the poster said 20k miles so the break even point is 60% more than what I said.
I Googled US gas prices and that was supposedly the average.
The range on the Leaf is very small, its fine for most people to daily but you'd need a second car, or to rent something else the instant you leave town.
I'll make you a bet, $100 to charity. Someone who takes a 3-year lease on the a Chevy Bolt today will return the car before Tesla fulfills even half the pre-orders on the 3.
A Tesla S 60 is 72k a Bolt is 37k.
The model 3 isn't years from production and you know what its like? Any tips on lottery tickets.
0-60 isn't a relevant performance metric. Put a Tesla against porsches in any performance scenario (barring say a single 0-60 pull) and it will lose, the Porsche will do more 0-60s, will corner, and will pull away from the Tesla at high speeds. The Porsche will also have a better interior and better build quality. I'm not sure that too many people would seriously cross-shop the two brands.
Mercedes & BMW seem more likely to be cross shopped (ignoring M-cars and AMGs), however both will have significantly better build quality & interiors which would sell them to a lot of buyers.
Tesla was founded 9-years ago, and we're still years away from any mass market product.
I'm curious what math you're using.
Extra vehicle cost: 72000 (Tesla S) - 18600 (Mazda 3) = $53400
Cost of 20,000 city miles - 20000 miles / 29 mpg * 2.30 $/g = $1600
Number of years to payback: 53400 / 1600 = 33 years
Cost of 20,000 highway miles - 20000 miles / 39 mpg * 2.30 $/g = $1200
Number of years to payback: 53400 / 1600 = 44 years
Also consider the cost of electricity, and you will definitely find a Mazda3 on the lot for less than sticker at some point in the year both of which increase the payback time by a few years. We're also ignoring interest, if you invested the 50k or finance the car over 30-40 years that is massive.
I'm all for EVs, I just don't think Tesla fanboism is justified. A Chevy Bolt is 37500 (30k w/ credits) so the break-even is <10 years though we're also dealing with a first generation product that probably won't last as long as a combustion engine which we have a 100-years of experience building.
The S and X are generally considered to have worse interiors than other 100k+ cars.
Maybe you should pull that $1000 and go buy a Chevrolet Bolt. Its available now, has the same range and.... all the panel gaps & trim will line-up.
What makes you think the target is aggressive?
One has to imagine its their way of being involved in future car automation. Good mapping software is a critical component of any automation.
Unfortunately VentureBeat is really not the site that should be linked to. From more technical sites apparently specs like HDR10 perform tone mapping on both the source and the display which add latency, AMD is proposing a protocol where the GPU would perform tone mapping onto the space used by that specific monitor which would eliminate latency i the pipeline.
Its too bad they're choosing to use the FreeSync brand for this since it doesn't appear to be related to the original.
I'm not convinced really - once the manufacturer has sold you the device the only incentive they really have is to get you to buy another one.
If your basement is finished I'm not sure I would bother as you'd need to do a lot of fishing (or installing access ports.
Firstly, don't retrofit it in the external walls. If you go into the attic make sure once you run the cable use a can of spray foam to fill in the gaps. You don't want to allow outside air into your walls, it will cause heat loss / gain.
Otherwise you buy flexible drill bits that are ~4 feet long, this lets you hit the right angle to drill between floors, if you don't hit the right angle you will need patch drywall. Obviously don't be a dumbass, you need to know exactly where wiring, and gas lines are before you do any of this. Then its basically the same as with one floor, cut a hole in the drywall and install one of the low voltage boxes.
You can buy cabling rated for air ducts, I'm not sure what the limitations are (return only?)
Lets be honest here, the problem most people have is radio congestion in dense areas and the problem everyone else has is that consumer routers are buggy pieces of shit.
I can see how this solves our problems.
The article implies its in Windows software not hardware. Doing this in hardware would probably run into x86 licensing issues that Intel could tie up in the court system for decades.
Perhaps this chip has additional registers for performance? Not really much to go on at this point.
Two trivial benchmarks really?