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Tesla Delivered Over 76,000 Vehicles In 2016, Falling Slightly Short of Goal (theverge.com)
Tesla delivered 76,230 electric vehicles in 2016, falling just shy of its goal of delivering 80,000 cars for the year. The electric carmaker claimed that "short-term production challenges" starting at the end of October were to blame for the shipment of fewer vehicles than anticipated. The Verge reports: Tesla said the transition to new Autopilot hardware resulted in the company's vehicle production being "weighted more heavily towards the end of the quarter than we had originally planned." In total, about 2,750 Tesla vehicles missed being counted as deliveries in the fourth quarter of 2016, which the company ascribes to "last-minute delays in transport or because the customer was unable to physically take delivery." Tesla said that even though those sales were counted toward 2016, the deliveries were not because the customers did not physically take possession of their cars. Tesla says about 6,450 vehicles are still in transit, and that their deliveries will be counted toward the first quarter of 2017. While it fell short on delivery, Tesla was able to beat its production rate for 2015. Tesla said it produced 24,882 vehicles in the fourth quarter of 2016, resulting in a total of 83,922 vehicles produced in 2016. This was an increase of 64 percent from 2015. Vehicle demand in Q4 was particularly strong, Tesla says. Net orders for Model S and X, which were an all-time record, were 52 percent higher than Q4 2015 and 24 percent higher than the company's previous record quarter in Q3 2016. "We were ultimately able to recover and hit our production goal, but the delay in production resulted in challenges that impacted quarterly deliveries, including, among other things, cars missing shipping cutoffs for Europe and Asia," the company says. "Although we tried to recover these deliveries and expedite others by the end of the quarter, time ran out before we could deliver all customer cars."
as being UNRELIABLE!
Yeah, but they also failed to recommend the Macbook, and we all know that it has no flaws. Clearly they don't know what they are doing.
3 years ago they predicted 100,000 in 2016
http://insideevs.com/tesla-pro...
In January of 2016 they were projecting over 3,200
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I'd never heard of what you implied.. .but a quick google search shows that not only did the car get one of their best scores, the 'reliability' issues...
"But those problems mostly still fall under Tesla’s four-year/50,000-mile bumper-to-bumper warranty (and eight-year/unlimited mileage battery and drivetrain warranty), so they are generally being corrected at no cost to owners"
http://www.consumerreports.org/cars-tesla-reliability-doesnt-match-its-high-performance/
Which I'd personally take over VW's emissions practices or FF's total no-show of real deliverables
Not really. Average Reliability but better than most.
Are they yet making a profit on each sold?
Seems like Tesla did pretty well against an aggressive target. I'm impressed, though I admittedly know next to nothing about the auto industry.
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Maybe you should pull that $1000 and go buy a Chevrolet Bolt. Its available now, has the same range and.... all the panel gaps & trim will line-up.
Not bad for cars from a factory that started production five years ago.
You can't run the numbers because you don't have the future cost of gasoline.
I am not a hater of EV technology but if your going to really make a dent you can't cater to the 1%. The people who could really benefit from EV technology are not the 1% it's the rest of us. Is Tesla trying to serve everyone? Or just a few? When Henry Ford made history he was making a vehicle for the masses.
Tesla is known for innovation and speed, but people overlook the Model S's luxury. The vehicle sits five, no problem, as long as the rear passengers are shorter than 6 feet tall. The leather seats were cozy and the wood and suede trim in the cabin add a dash of class without being ostentatious.
If you need to do more than drive folks around, the trunk is huge. During a Costco run, I was able to fit a microwave, space heater, random food and enough toilet paper to survive the zombie apocalypse in it with no problem. That's without using the hidden space below the trunk floor. With seating and cargo space aplenty, the interior feels almost cavernous. (Engadget)
The S and X are generally considered to have worse interiors than other 100k+ cars.
battery can account for one-third of the price of the car, which is why something like the Nissan Leaf or Fiat 500e costs about $30,000, while offering only about 100 miles of range. But those costs are falling, fast. Between 2010 and 2015, the average cost per kilowatt hour (kWh) dropped 65 percent, from $1,000 to $350, according to a recent report from Bloomberg New Energy Finance. âoeBy 2022,â the report says, âoethe unsubsidized total cost of ownership of [battery electric vehicles] will fall below that of an internal combustion engine vehicle.â (Wired, 2015)
They've got better interiors than your average $25K economy car, but not your average pickup truck. That's embarrassing.
The mathematics have long shown that solar power is the Earthâ(TM)s most abundant energy resource. What is new is that the economics of making it into electricity have improved to the point where it is beginning to attract bigger buyers as the price for silicon panels falls.
In the United States, for example, electric utilities are now the nationâ(TM)s largest customers for solar panels, constituting 60 percent of the market. (SciAm)
They've got worse interiors than your average $25K economy car
Fixed that for you.
So they failed my personal goal.
There are hundreds of thousands of cars selling in that segment (high-end Porsches, Mercedes Benz, BMW, etc.). I can only think of one that seats 5 comfortably and does 0-60 in 2.5s...and that's why Tesla is cleaning up in that segment.
Different people care about different things, and everyone can spend their money on whatever they want. The only ROI that matters for personal purchases is whether the buyer thinks they got their money's worth.
For example, do you believe you got your money's worth on that "degree" from University of Phoenix? Then good for you.
MIT researchers were able to demonstrate that the daily energy requirements of some 90 percent of personal cars on the road in the U.S. could be met by today's EVs, with their current ranges, at an overall cost to their owners -- including both purchase and operating costs -- that would be no greater than that of conventional internal-combustion vehicles.
Depends on what you view as the investment and the return. From my perspective (as someone who is considering buying one as soon as I'm certain that they've gotten most of the kinks out of the Model X), energy costs are only part of the equation.
But just to confirm your assertion, assuming an installed cost of $3.50 per watt, 8 full-sun-equivalent hours per day, and a 40-year solar panel life (typical for current-generation panels), that comes to about 2.9 cents per kWh. A Tesla goes about 3 miles per kWh, which means this comes out to only about 0.96 cents per mile. At $2 per gallon, a similar vehicle gets about 22-28 MPG. Let's go with 30 as a best-case estimate. That's almost 7 cents per mile. So if you build your own solar farm, the Tesla will cost you a quarter as much per mile as gasoline even at current prices. Let's say that this costs you a $50,000 premium in the cost of the vehicle. The 5.7 cents per mile you save won't cause you to break even until you cross the 875k mile mark. If you recompute with Bay Area gasoline prices averaging more like $3 per gallon, it's more like 550,000 miles, which is maybe plausible for an EV.
On the other hand, your gasoline-powered vehicle will keel over long before that break-even point, whereas an electric vehicle might actually reach that number of miles, because there are a lot fewer moving parts. So if you have to factor in the cost of a second gasoline-powered car over that same time period, the value equation changes considerably, because that $50k premium is now a $25k premium, and the break-even point is at 275–438k miles, which starts to sound a lot more likely.
And that value proposition still ignores several other important factors:
All of these things have some value, whether in terms of saved time, saving the planet, etc. How much those savings are worth to you tends to be directly proportional to the length of your commute.
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Rank in Luxury Hybrid and Electric Vehicles
1. Tesla Model S
$72,700 - $110,700
(Beating out the)
2. BMW i8
$141,695
The Tesla Model S has benefited from constant revisions throughout its life cycle, but its looks have stayed almost exactly the same since it was introduced in 2012. That finally changes with an update for the 2017 Model S that brings it in line with the recently revealed Model 3 sedan and the Model X crossover. Gone is the faux front grille, which is replaced by a new front fascia with slightly reshaped headlights and a sleeker, more streamlined look.
Tesla also claims increased driving range for the 90D and P90D models but doesnâ(TM)t cite any mechanical changes that account for the improved numbers. The 90D, with its 90-kWh battery, improves from 270 miles to 294 miles on a full charge, while the P90D sees range go from 253 miles to 270 miles. These numbers havenâ(TM)t yet been published on the EPAâ(TM)s website, although Teslaâ(TM)s own site says theyâ(TM)re EPA-official. ...newly standard 48-amp onboard charger that replaces the previous modelâ(TM)s 40-amp charger. Tesla says it enables quicker charging than before when connected to a 240-volt NEMA 14-50 power outlet or to a Tesla Wall Connector. We donâ(TM)t have exact numbers for the new charger, but the old 40-amp system was estimated to deliver 29 miles of range per hour of charge, so expect more than 30 miles per hour for the new car. This change wonâ(TM)t affect the amount of time it takes to juice up with Teslaâ(TM)s Supercharger network of quick chargers. (April, 2016)
By Tesla's own calculations, gas savings will net you slightly over $1000 per year. That's nowhere near to justify a $90K price tag, unless you are comparing to an $80K luxury SUV. On a flip side, Model X might make sense for commercial use, where it can easily hit the insane mileage you quoted within its lifetime.
500k miles really shouldn't be considered insane mileage. I know plenty of people who have gotten well over 300k on internal-combustion-based vehicles. Mind you, none of them would pass California emissions, but then again, EVs don't have that problem. They don't have transmissions (one of the weak points of ICE designs and one of the most commonly repaired components) or oxygen sensors or Nox sensors or fuel injectors or any of the other crap that makes ICE designs fail early and often. Unless the undercarriage rusts out, I can't imagine any reason that an EV wouldn't last 500k miles, though you'd probably have to replace the battery at least once. :-)
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To be fair, that doesn't matter to a lot of people. You want a car to work, period. If you have to get it fixed it's a pain in the ass, even if it's free.
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To be fair, Tesla make mediocre cars that they somehow manage to sell for astronomical prices, so perhaps that makes mediocre news into something astronomical?
You want a car to work, period. If you have to get it fixed it's a pain in the ass, even if it's free.
I'm not sure what Tesla has for a repair policy but if you take in a MINI to get fixed you can get a free loaner car, that you keep and use as long as your car is being fixed... That takes away a lot of the hassle of repairs.
Also Tesla it seems like could do much more than most auto makers in the way of remote diagnostics, so they could save you a a trip if you really didn't need to come in.
As Tesla expands one thing they could do to improve service is to offer remote technical support for local auto shops, so that you could take it to a local place to have something simple addressed and still have someone who really knew what there were doing overseeing the work. Maybe even offer Tesla certification for smaller auto repair shops.
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like there are NO ice car fires WHATSOEVER... right
But not better than other 100K+ cars that can do 0-60 in 2.5. It outperforms cars that cost several times more AND STILL seats 5. Performance will win the long game in the US market. The same will be seen in the trucking industry soon. The low RPM torque of electric motors will be a big boon for heavy vehicles.
Are you sure? I thought it was the model X
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It's about the same price as its competitors (such as a fully loaded 7 series BMW).
It isn't an investment in saving on gas. It's a "I hate the Gas Station and never drive more than 200 miles a day" car for people in the $80k+ segment. Nobody is saving money on a Tesla, but plenty are getting a car that better meets their needs.
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The X for sure has a stupid design. The S is on par.
A Tesla Model S is not a competitor to a fully loaded BMW 7 series. It does not come close to it in any way except for price.
The S and X are generally considered to have worse interiors than other 100k+ cars.
I heard that they recently hired a new design team for their interiors, so they clearly know about the problem and are working to improve.
Interior design is not the only factor that attracts people to buy a one car type over another, not even in the 100k segment of the market. Tesla has several other points in its favour that are sufficient to outweigh the issues with the interiors, at least for some buyers. That gives Tesla enough customers right now that it can sell all the cars it can build. As it expands capacity, it will need to work on the interiors to increase its appeal, but as I noted, they are already working on that.
Oh come on.Tesla is about the geekiest company in the world and one that is doing a hell of a lot of interesting things. Of course we're interested! I was just googling yesterday to see if the latest production numbers were out.
No object that contains half a ton of lithium cells could ever be considered to be "completely green".
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Few cars have a positive return on investment but that's OK because most people buy a car for transportation not as an investment.
It's the cost.
Sure there are other vehicles in the same price range as the Tesla, but my guess is they don't sell as many of them either and for the same reason. The majority of folks lack the financial excess to spend $80k+ on a vehicle.
Unlike many, I actually do have the cash on hand to buy one outright. Still won't do it though.
I have YET to actually see a charging station.
Insurance on an $80k vehicle would be much higher.
Electric powered vehicles are a bad idea in areas prone to flooding. ( hurricane zone )
Oh and. . . it's still $80k+
I don't care how trendy ( read that status symbol ) they are, I'll let the 1% folks spend their money on such things.
My goal is retirement. I don't get there buying overpriced goods that cater to the rich.
They get the costs down to compete with everything else, then Tesla may survive as a car company.
I take it your just going to sit at home looking at it then?
If the solar is at your house how the hell do you get the power to where you work during the day...
fucking pointless
Or electricity
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they probably deliver more news than cars, so they can always change overnight into media
Unless you work more than 125 miles or so from home, it's all good. More than 250 miles of range on a full charge will get you back home for more juice.
Defending IP by destroying access to it? That makes sense, RIAA/MPAA. Go to the corner until you can play nice!
Really? Not some metrics of performance? Not in the fact that you don't need to fill the tank?
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Not quite. The report that I think you are thinking of said that personal vehicles could be satisfied with an EV for 90% of the days. That is a big difference because that means the average personal vehicle could be required to make an EV-incapable drive once every two weeks, which really means people would have to rent a vehicle 24 times a year or keep another non-EV vehicle for longer trips. You'd still be saving on fuel, but the cost of the extra vehicle and insurance makes it a tough sell for many.
Well, straight-line acceleration, but that is hardly ever relevant. Not having to fill up the tank is great, but you have to charge the battery instead, which takes longer and can be done at fewer places.
In aspects that will matter most to most buyers, the 7 series is the better product. It's nicer to drive, more comfortable, more luxurious, more reliable and it is likely to last a lot longer.
Maybe Tesla could get you a software upgrade to reduce the performance to BMW 7 levels for you ;-)
But I agree, the comparison should be a model s and a a 6 series grand coupe, and if fit/finish is what you are most concerned about a BMW wins hands down (well except maybe for the crappy 3 series stuff). I personally dislike the seats the ergonomics on the 7 series, but the wife likes it. The tesla wasn't any better though.
But that won't be tesla. I think the big turning point for EVs/hybrids in the US will be when ford releases the hybrid F150, assuming they don't screw it up.
suvsux.org is fucked since when? It was a great and very informative site...
Is it any worse than driving around with a tank full of flammable liquid in a car powered by explosions?
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Why has the Model S get glowing reviews?
Is there really nothing objectively interesting about a whisper quiet luxury sedan that does a smooth 0-60 in 2.6s? How about one that never requires going to a gas station because you can charge it at home at night? How about the giant screen in the console? The excellent crash rating? Oh, right, those things are "not relevant" because you don't personally care about them.
This is standard /. zealotry. Start with the assumption that the only reason anyone could want anything from Tesla (or Apple, whatever) is because they are stupid fashion-craving SJW fanbois and then dismiss any legitimate reason one might favor those products as "not relevant".
Why can't you just accept that different people care about different things? It's their money, they can spend it however they want.
It's not complicated.
Deal with it.
I would only consider an electric car if I'd never have to charge it outside of home when I wasn't driving it.
I assume for most people that makes it a terrible only car in the household, but in a two car household, or a very rare road tripper, I'd call not getting gas an almost unbeatable perk.
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Only in straight-line acceleration, but so does a kid's muscle car. It's not a luxury car in any way but "smoothness" (no engine vibration), and even there it's not much better than the high-end German cars. At both the $80k and $140k price-points, the competition is nicer inside, has more luxury car features, is more reliable, and handles much better.
The Model S keeps improving, and maybe one day it will reach parity in everything but cornering. Today, however, its primary appeal is "green". The Germans have been amazingly slow in bringing out competing models in that space. You'd expect at least a plug-in hybrid from Mercedes by now. Lot's of hybrids on the Japanese side, but still not plug-in hybrids or pure electrics in the luxury space, AFAIK.
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Straight-line acceleration just isn't that important. The Tesla can't corner for shit, which makes the acceleration a bit dangerous. Seating 5 adults? Some people care I guess, but the interior is just less nice than any competing long wheelbase car (all of which have plenty of room). It compares quite poorly to something like an Audi S8+, Mercedes S-class AMG, or BWM Alpina B7.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Xenu will pull their asses out of the purifying fire.
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The batteries can be recycled, and the batter factory will be solar powered. How is that not green?
I don't read it that way...at all.
They did manufacture 80K however
Depends on whether the wind chill is below -20F/-30C/243K.
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True. And every automaker has lemons. I'd never buy a car from Ford or GM, for example. Been there. Never again. As for electric vehicles generally, the Nissan Leaf is gaining a reputation as the car mechanics never see because they so rarely ever need one. All the stuff that breaks or requires maintenance in regular cars doesn't even exist in electric cars: no belts (cam, alternator, fan etc) no radiator (so no coolant to leak), no fan, no oil or spark plugs because no combustion, no gearbox or transmission fluid because the electric motors are more powerful then gas motors, so don't need gears to amplify the torque......An electric motors are incredibly durable. There is almost nothing to break in a pure EV. I own one. I'll never go back to a gas or diesel car.
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I've had two minor issues with my Tesla. They drive a loaner Tesla to my office, drive my car to the service center, and then swap back again. No skin off my back so no big deal.
It won't stay that way.
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