When we can get a reliable weekly weather forcast I'll start putting more faith in their predictions and understanding of a few billion years of changes.
You failed to read my whole comment where i pointed out this is teh same thing going on now and i agree with it now. I also agreed with the past Dem presidents having done it DESPITE party lines. It was more to ask the question as to why no one made a big deal about it then and they are now.
as for the legality.
FISA case (U.S. v. Truong), a federal "court, as did all the other courts to have decided the issue held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information." And further that "we take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."
Democrat poster children doing exactly the same thing and rightfully so in my opinion.
Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: "Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order."
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm
Clinton, February 9, 1995: "The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order"
WASH POST, July 15, 1994: Extend not only to searches of the homes of U.S. citizens but also -- in the delicate words of a Justice Department official -- to "places where you wouldn't find or would be unlikely to find information involving a U.S. citizen... would allow the government to use classified electronic surveillance techniques, such as infrared sensors to observe people inside their homes, without a court order."
Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick, the Clinton administration believes the president "has inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches for foreign intelligence purposes."
Secret searches and wiretaps of Aldrich Ames's office and home in June and October 1993, both without a federal warrant.
And under this program http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/October/03_crm_58 9.htm
From the nytimes original article
Several officials said the eavesdropping program had helped uncover a plot by Iyman Faris, an Ohio trucker and naturalized citizen who pleaded guilty in 2003 to supporting Al Qaeda by planning to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge with blowtorches. What appeared to be another Qaeda plot, involving fertilizer bomb attacks on British pubs and train stations, was exposed last year in part through the program, the officials said.
I'll clarify that some since i just took a chunk.
Call 1: InternationalInternational = Legal
Call 2: InternationalUSA = Legal
Call 3: USAUSA = need warrant
Type 1 and 2 needed FISA warrants which could take up to 6 months to be processed. Now we can say screw that since it's obvious any numbers obtained won't be used 6m later.
i'll just paste this chunk from Michelle Malkin. http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004090.htm
"Those who actually read the piece will note that the paper must grudgingly acknowledge that it is talking about the NSA's monitoring of international communications (e-mails, cellphone calls, etc.) only; the agency still seeks warrants to monitor entirely domestic communications.
And not until the 16th paragraph, some 1,110 words into the massive piece, does the paper tell you the important context in which the program was created and used: What the agency calls a "special collection program" began soon after the Sept. 11 attacks, as it looked for new tools to attack terrorism. The program accelerated in early 2002 after the Central Intelligence Agency started capturing top Qaeda operatives overseas, including Abu Zubaydah, who was arrested in Pakistan in March 2002. The C.I.A. seized the terrorists' computers, cellphones and personal phone directories, said the officials familiar with the program. The N.S.A. surveillance was intended to exploit those numbers and addresses as quickly as possible, the officials said.
In addition to eavesdropping on those numbers and reading e-mail messages to and from the Qaeda figures, the N.S.A. began monitoring others linked to them, creating an expanding chain. While most of the numbers and addresses were overseas, hundreds were in the United States, the officials said.
As a result of the NSA program, buried down in the 11th paragraph, we learn that the terrorist plot involving convicted al Qaeda operative Iyman Faris was uncovered--possibly saving untold lives, not to mention New York bridges and possibly Washington, D.C. trains."
Last I checked they won't be finding my contact info in some AQ member's phone, nor do I call anyone internationally, let alone one that would be listed.
In a way this will make a honeypot network for them to find new aim worms. If the bots receive random links and nonstandard code from users they can maybe get a quicker lid on an exploit. It would be nice if this had been opt-in though.
I really fail to see the big deal. They wiretap analog phone lines now. This is just tapping digital lines. Whoopdie do, now they have to be able to send a call's packets to a second place to be listened to. They have control over their routing and should already be able to tell which customer data is coming from. Implimenting something that can sort and redirect seems pretty small. Isn't this part of what carnivore did anyway with all other data from a user?
One would hope you'd be locked out before then. The problem is that most people don't use random passwords. When the keys you record return Fluf[]y you can guess the missing letter mom typed was 'f' to fill in Fluffy. Bang one try. It's back to the old physical security deal.
I'm just going to focus on the last chunk here "or a hurricane in the South that the Bush administration completely fails to deal with and which results in mass casualties due purely to slow response. You have to wonder if the Bush administration would have acted more swiftly if the people suffering in the South were affluent, white Republicans instead of poor, black Democrats."
How can you say they completely failed to deal with the situation when first of all they didn't even know where the hurricane was going to hit until a day prior. New Orleans has a 72hour evacuation plan. Oops. Secondly Bush declared the storm a castastrophy BEFORE the storm hit in order to be able to start aid preparations beforehand. Next you have to ignore headlines such as...
CONGRESS TO RECONVENE; BUSH ADMIN TO SEEK $10 BILLION AID INSTALLMENT... 'HEALTH EMERGENCY' DECLARED... LEVEE REPAIRS UNDERWAY... BUSH: DON'T BUY GAS IF YOU DON'T NEED IT More Navy Ships Headed to the Gulf Coast... Spy satellites aid Hurricane Katrina recovery...
side by side image of the patented player & it
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The patent points are generally vague and do seem to apply to other players. However, looking at the image at the bottom of the article, the two interfaces are strikingly similar. Add to that the fact that apple employees had been to the demo of this player the case may stand up a bit more.
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When we can get a reliable weekly weather forcast I'll start putting more faith in their predictions and understanding of a few billion years of changes.
You failed to read my whole comment where i pointed out this is teh same thing going on now and i agree with it now. I also agreed with the past Dem presidents having done it DESPITE party lines. It was more to ask the question as to why no one made a big deal about it then and they are now.
FISA case (U.S. v. Truong), a federal "court, as did all the other courts to have decided the issue held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information." And further that "we take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."
Democrat poster children doing exactly the same thing and rightfully so in my opinion.
Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: "Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order." http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm
Bill Clinton Signed Executive Order that allowed Attorney General to do searches without court approval http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-12949.htm
Clinton, February 9, 1995: "The Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order"
WASH POST, July 15, 1994: Extend not only to searches of the homes of U.S. citizens but also -- in the delicate words of a Justice Department official -- to "places where you wouldn't find or would be unlikely to find information involving a U.S. citizen... would allow the government to use classified electronic surveillance techniques, such as infrared sensors to observe people inside their homes, without a court order."
Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick, the Clinton administration believes the president "has inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches for foreign intelligence purposes."
Secret searches and wiretaps of Aldrich Ames's office and home in June and October 1993, both without a federal warrant.
And under this program8 9.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/October/03_crm_5
From the nytimes original article
Several officials said the eavesdropping program had helped uncover a plot by Iyman Faris, an Ohio trucker and naturalized citizen who pleaded guilty in 2003 to supporting Al Qaeda by planning to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge with blowtorches. What appeared to be another Qaeda plot, involving fertilizer bomb attacks on British pubs and train stations, was exposed last year in part through the program, the officials said.
NYT printing a retraction? They would rather go belly-up before admitting there is bias involved.
Call 2: InternationalUSA = Legal
Call 3: USAUSA = need warrant
Type 1 and 2 needed FISA warrants which could take up to 6 months to be processed. Now we can say screw that since it's obvious any numbers obtained won't be used 6m later.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004090.htm
"Those who actually read the piece will note that the paper must grudgingly acknowledge that it is talking about the NSA's monitoring of international communications (e-mails, cellphone calls, etc.) only; the agency still seeks warrants to monitor entirely domestic communications.
And not until the 16th paragraph, some 1,110 words into the massive piece, does the paper tell you the important context in which the program was created and used:
What the agency calls a "special collection program" began soon after the Sept. 11 attacks, as it looked for new tools to attack terrorism. The program accelerated in early 2002 after the Central Intelligence Agency started capturing top Qaeda operatives overseas, including Abu Zubaydah, who was arrested in Pakistan in March 2002. The C.I.A. seized the terrorists' computers, cellphones and personal phone directories, said the officials familiar with the program. The N.S.A. surveillance was intended to exploit those numbers and addresses as quickly as possible, the officials said. In addition to eavesdropping on those numbers and reading e-mail messages to and from the Qaeda figures, the N.S.A. began monitoring others linked to them, creating an expanding chain. While most of the numbers and addresses were overseas, hundreds were in the United States, the officials said.
As a result of the NSA program, buried down in the 11th paragraph, we learn that the terrorist plot involving convicted al Qaeda operative Iyman Faris was uncovered--possibly saving untold lives, not to mention New York bridges and possibly Washington, D.C. trains."
Last I checked they won't be finding my contact info in some AQ member's phone, nor do I call anyone internationally, let alone one that would be listed.
The body mentions beatles and it's not even a beatles-beatles post? Hell gotten colder lately?
I too would benefit from the use of the preview button. I just formatted in the comment box without BR tags
Attn grammar nazi: Are you aiming for [-an] ellipses translate what you have [written] Work on your own posts.
Just out of curiosity, do they still get added if you are at the buddy list limit?
In a way this will make a honeypot network for them to find new aim worms. If the bots receive random links and nonstandard code from users they can maybe get a quicker lid on an exploit. It would be nice if this had been opt-in though.
I really fail to see the big deal. They wiretap analog phone lines now. This is just tapping digital lines. Whoopdie do, now they have to be able to send a call's packets to a second place to be listened to. They have control over their routing and should already be able to tell which customer data is coming from. Implimenting something that can sort and redirect seems pretty small. Isn't this part of what carnivore did anyway with all other data from a user?
One would hope you'd be locked out before then. The problem is that most people don't use random passwords. When the keys you record return Fluf[]y you can guess the missing letter mom typed was 'f' to fill in Fluffy. Bang one try. It's back to the old physical security deal.
I'm just going to focus on the last chunk here "or a hurricane in the South that the Bush administration completely fails to deal with and which results in mass casualties due purely to slow response. You have to wonder if the Bush administration would have acted more swiftly if the people suffering in the South were affluent, white Republicans instead of poor, black Democrats."
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How can you say they completely failed to deal with the situation when first of all they didn't even know where the hurricane was going to hit until a day prior. New Orleans has a 72hour evacuation plan. Oops. Secondly Bush declared the storm a castastrophy BEFORE the storm hit in order to be able to start aid preparations beforehand. Next you have to ignore headlines such as...
CONGRESS TO RECONVENE;
BUSH ADMIN TO SEEK $10 BILLION AID INSTALLMENT...
'HEALTH EMERGENCY' DECLARED...
LEVEE REPAIRS UNDERWAY...
BUSH: DON'T BUY GAS IF YOU DON'T NEED IT
More Navy Ships Headed to the Gulf Coast...
Spy satellites aid Hurricane Katrina recovery...
to be able to say they aren't making any effort. They are also trying to get Carnival cruise lines to use their ships to take on people. The National Guard is also on the way to help restore order. Don't go making everything a race issue when it clearly is not. Half of the delays in getting people to safer land from the shelters is because they have to fish morons off of rooftops or stay out of the air because people on the ground are firing at the helicopters or firing on medical convoys http://cnn.worldnews.printthis.clickability.com/p
The patent points are generally vague and do seem to apply to other players. However, looking at the image at the bottom of the article, the two interfaces are strikingly similar. Add to that the fact that apple employees had been to the demo of this player the case may stand up a bit more.