If they were trying to show that Kerry is a wolf then that would be demonizing and villifying. They were only showing that he is weak on security and his voting records match that assertion. It's scare mongering for sure but it is not demonizing.
Factor in the 16% advantage high school drop-outs give Kerry and I think you have a clear trend and a clear argument against the most bush voters are backwards hicks argument.
Yes and if you do some calculations you'll find that 18.1% of people who voted for Bush have college degrees whilst only 16.9% of people who voted for Kerry have college degrees.
we should expect more Howard Dean-style campaigns in the future
Yes, like in 2008 and 2012 and 2016 and 2020 and and 2024 and YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
And the same site shows that 53% of people with a post graduate education voted for Kerry. So smarter people did vote for Kerry, then.
I don't think postgrads are immediately smarter. Many grads are just as smart but need to go and get a job to pay for..um...living and stuff.
If you combine the 2 statictics, then 53% of the people who graduated college voted for Bush
I guess you didn't graduate college. How the hell can you combine the two percentages when you don't know the numbers involved? There are far less post grads than there are grads (non post grad)
Also, despite Bush's attempt at a constitutional ammendment against gay marriage, 23% of homosexuals still voted for Bush. I guess that means 23% of gays are stupid hicks too eh?
Funny how those are all ex-European colonies. Have you asked the French what they're up to in the Ivory coast?
The original poster didn't even mention Europe
So? Am I not allowed to mention any nouns unless he does? He obviously agrees with the European (except for Poland, Italy and now the Netherlands) position. Whether he is European or not, only he knows I guess.
Do you find that pseudo anti-american sophistication of yours comforting?
Does anyone in Europe worry about the suffering *without* formal declaration of war in Sudan, NK, much of Africa etc etc? Most of Afghnistan isn't worrying about the US anymore and that must chap your ass.
God damn would you stop acting like you speak for the Iraqi people
And would you stop doing the same? Would you stop defending Saddam from doing the same? Why don't you try reading some Iraqi blogs and seeing what THEY say?
I guess the difference here is that you believe that nation building should take less than 2 years while I think it will take long and any evidence that Iraq isn't a secure, functioning democracy now isn't any indication that it won't be 5 or 10 years form now. I bet you were one of those people that complained about Afghanistan until...whoops...they had free and safe elections.
1100 Americans are dead and thousands more are maimed for life looking for those WMD's. Wonder if they (would of) thought it was funny.
Your crocodile tears for the soldiers dead aren't convincing. I think you'll find that most of those soldiers died believing in what they did. The point of the war in Iraq was to prevent another 9/11. The fact that Saddam didn't have WMD doesn't mean he didn't have to capability or that the Iraq mission was "pointless". A free, prosperous Iraq is beneficial to the US as an ally. Certainly, an Iraq without Saddam is better than an Iraq with Saddam and most soldiers understand that. They aren't asking for YOU or anyone else to pretend to "save them" from Bush.
Speaking to "the haves and the have-mores." George W. smirks: "Some people call you the elite, I call you my base"
You do realise this was at a charity fundraiser (which al gore also attended) where it is traditional to use self-deprecating humour. In case you don't get it, he was joking because lots of people would think that they were his base cause he's an evil oil baron.
If you were going to pursue this in the current political climate you would have to do it by giving giant interest free loans, tax breaks etc. to giant energy corporations like GE/Westinghouse to do it for you. Basically what this means is our tax dollars are used to capitalize it and absorb most of the risk, the corporations rake in all the profits, assuming you could profitably build a nuclear power plant today. If you are lucky they might eventually pay back the loans unless Bush/Cheney give them a wink and a nudge and just lets them keep it.
As opposed to the federal government doing it, spending TAX dollars on a project where hammers cost $20000 a piece and beurocracy adds 300% to the cost. Eventually, after 4 years and 20 billion dollars, the project will be canned by a new administration and..oh, whoops, the money has gone too.
What you listed are scare tactics indeed, but it doesn't inflict the magnitude of fear in your average person as much as saying that we will all die if you make the wrong choice
Uh isn't that what the draft scare was about. And what about the "vote or die" compaign? lol
Anyway, Kerry used terror as a tool too (Iran and NK have nukes that will kill us all etc), he just didn't convince people he would fight it better than bush.
and you'll probably never _elect_ anyone ever again.
ROFLMA. Bush gets *RELECTED* in a *DEMOCRACTIC PROCESS* so that he can eliminate it? Why not just eliminate it *NOW* and not have to worry about the election? These wild eyed conspiracy theories peddled by people like you and Michael Moore are the reason why Bush one.
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If they were trying to show that Kerry is a wolf then that would be demonizing and villifying. They were only showing that he is weak on security and his voting records match that assertion. It's scare mongering for sure but it is not demonizing.
Factor in the 16% advantage high school drop-outs give Kerry and I think you have a clear trend and a clear argument against the most bush voters are backwards hicks argument.
Which closely matches to the final election result of 51.5% for Bush and 48.5% for Kerry.
And yes, I question your math.
That would make it 51.7% to 48.3% of college graduates for Bush BTW.
Yes and if you do some calculations you'll find that 18.1% of people who voted for Bush have college degrees whilst only 16.9% of people who voted for Kerry have college degrees.
we should expect more Howard Dean-style campaigns in the future
Yes, like in 2008 and 2012 and 2016 and 2020 and and 2024 and YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGG
And the same site shows that 53% of people with a post graduate education voted for Kerry. So smarter people did vote for Kerry, then.
I don't think postgrads are immediately smarter. Many grads are just as smart but need to go and get a job to pay for..um...living and stuff.
If you combine the 2 statictics, then 53% of the people who graduated college voted for Bush
I guess you didn't graduate college. How the hell can you combine the two percentages when you don't know the numbers involved? There are far less post grads than there are grads (non post grad)
Yes, especially since 58% of college graduates voted for Bush and 54% of high school drop outs voted for Kerry.
See or yourself.
Also, despite Bush's attempt at a constitutional ammendment against gay marriage, 23% of homosexuals still voted for Bush. I guess that means 23% of gays are stupid hicks too eh?
Venezuela, Haiti, and the Ivory Coast,
Funny how those are all ex-European colonies. Have you asked the French what they're up to in the Ivory coast?
The original poster didn't even mention Europe
So? Am I not allowed to mention any nouns unless he does? He obviously agrees with the European (except for Poland, Italy and now the Netherlands) position. Whether he is European or not, only he knows I guess.
Do you find that pseudo anti-american sophistication of yours comforting?
Does anyone in Europe worry about the suffering *without* formal declaration of war in Sudan, NK, much of Africa etc etc? Most of Afghnistan isn't worrying about the US anymore and that must chap your ass.
God damn would you stop acting like you speak for the Iraqi people
And would you stop doing the same? Would you stop defending Saddam from doing the same? Why don't you try reading some Iraqi blogs and seeing what THEY say?
I guess the difference here is that you believe that nation building should take less than 2 years while I think it will take long and any evidence that Iraq isn't a secure, functioning democracy now isn't any indication that it won't be 5 or 10 years form now. I bet you were one of those people that complained about Afghanistan until...whoops...they had free and safe elections.
1100 Americans are dead and thousands more are maimed for life looking for those WMD's. Wonder if they (would of) thought it was funny.
Your crocodile tears for the soldiers dead aren't convincing. I think you'll find that most of those soldiers died believing in what they did. The point of the war in Iraq was to prevent another 9/11. The fact that Saddam didn't have WMD doesn't mean he didn't have to capability or that the Iraq mission was "pointless". A free, prosperous Iraq is beneficial to the US as an ally. Certainly, an Iraq without Saddam is better than an Iraq with Saddam and most soldiers understand that. They aren't asking for YOU or anyone else to pretend to "save them" from Bush.
Speaking to "the haves and the have-mores." George W. smirks: "Some people call you the elite, I call you my base"
You do realise this was at a charity fundraiser (which al gore also attended) where it is traditional to use self-deprecating humour. In case you don't get it, he was joking because lots of people would think that they were his base cause he's an evil oil baron.
If you were going to pursue this in the current political climate you would have to do it by giving giant interest free loans, tax breaks etc. to giant energy corporations like GE/Westinghouse to do it for you. Basically what this means is our tax dollars are used to capitalize it and absorb most of the risk, the corporations rake in all the profits, assuming you could profitably build a nuclear power plant today. If you are lucky they might eventually pay back the loans unless Bush/Cheney give them a wink and a nudge and just lets them keep it.
As opposed to the federal government doing it, spending TAX dollars on a project where hammers cost $20000 a piece and beurocracy adds 300% to the cost. Eventually, after 4 years and 20 billion dollars, the project will be canned by a new administration and
What you listed are scare tactics indeed, but it doesn't inflict the magnitude of fear in your average person as much as saying that we will all die if you make the wrong choice
Uh isn't that what the draft scare was about. And what about the "vote or die" compaign? lol
Anyway, Kerry used terror as a tool too (Iran and NK have nukes that will kill us all etc), he just didn't convince people he would fight it better than bush.
you're not any safer.
LOL
your deficit isn't any lower.
I agree with that.
you're not creating new jobs.
LOL
your government isn't any smaller than before.
I agree with that.
and you'll probably never _elect_ anyone ever again.
ROFLMA. Bush gets *RELECTED* in a *DEMOCRACTIC PROCESS* so that he can eliminate it? Why not just eliminate it *NOW* and not have to worry about the election? These wild eyed conspiracy theories peddled by people like you and Michael Moore are the reason why Bush one.
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Bush has a vision for world peace that has worked so far (well, for Afghanistan anyway).
How would blind people know?
WTF? Here's an idea: Treating everyone as an individual rather than collectives will end racism.
I guess you don't think Kofi Annan is black cause he wears western suits and married a "white" woman huh?
Hell, most African americans probably aren't black to you because they don't speak their native african tongue nor live in mud huts.
You're such a biggot and don't even know it. That's sad.
Disgusting. So you don't treat people as individuals, you treat people by which "group" they act like?
If you have african ancestry but are republican then you must be white!!!
You guys don't realise how racist you are.
Oh, I get it. This has something to do with John Edwards' two Americas huh?
You can tell Colin is white because the black brain thinks differently from the white brain right........?
Exactly. That's exactly why Bush chose rich white male landowners to be his secretary of state and national security advisor.
President Bush guarded nothing in Baghdad except the oil refinery
Guarded nothing but? Don't believe everything you read. OIL is needed to rebuild Iraq (it's the cornerstone of Iraq's economy afterall).
Dont forget: Feeling disgraced that millions of people have died to preserve liberties which we just discarded like used toilet paper.
Millions? You must be talking about the genocide in Dafur that's happening under the UN's nose. I can see why you would be outraged about that....
This seems appropriate.