I'd like to see 2 or 3 pages of code while programming, and currently with 2 monitors & w2k, it's nice, but 2 20" LCD displays would just ROCK. I'd be able to have shitloads of work up there...webbrowser in one place, c++ in another etc.
Oh, and TV Tuner in one area as well. LCD is much smaller (I really hate the space CRTs take up), takes up half the power, and doesn't flicker.
A desktop OS designed where you have to recompile the kernel to add any new funtionality is not a good desktop OS at all. Windows's driver and VM model allows for extension without recompiling (yes i know linux has mods).
Hmm. The Win32 SDK help files I am using do not have an entry for this function. Thanks.
Copied directly from MSDN. If you don't have the CDs, you can always look it up online at msdn.microsoft.com.
Oh, and don't keep giving me that undocumented crap again, these tools _don't_ use undocumented APIs...if there's any API you can't find to do something - write it yourself, that's what modular driver models are for. Just cause there's no prearranged api for you to do something doesn't mean you can't do it yourself. All APIs needed are supplied. Hiding APIs is something that is such a big myth...sure some extry points aren't there, but they're not important. It's like car companies not mentioning that there's a button that does XXXX...it's not important. Windows relies on 3rd party software, and there's no reason to hide anything.
One of the better looking linux software out there:) Funny how linux is copying the windows gui:P Looks very windowish..right down to the icons and toolbars.
Java provides bunches of features that C does not. That means that if you are competent in both Java and C, you will be able to write larger and less buggy applications in Java than in C.
Sorry, gotta respectfully disagree:). You can always look around for libraries to do everything you want in C, or write it yourself. Java has serious limitations. However, it is a VERY nice and easy language. Part of the speed problem with Java is not just the VM, but the way the language works (dynamic linking, heaps, gc, OO) etc.
I'll be happy the day I get my native compiler for Java:). Nice language, reasonable speed..mmm:)~~~
I can say with certainty that Java does not do that "run anywhere" thing on
What a loa dof balony. WHy don't you use Sun's VM then? Microsoft's VM is fast and works for me. You seem to be taking in this "oooh MS java is impure" to mean that MS Java won't work with Sun Java. MS just added extensions, if you developed in another plantform, it'll work. The thing that won't work is RMI, you have to download the RMI libraries seperately from Microsoft's FTP site (RMI for Windows CE is there too).
I'm getting so sick and tired of all this "oooh they have hidden APIs shit". Yes they do have undocumented API calls, these calls are calls that aren't documented cause they aren't needed. They's OS specific stuff which only the OS manufactuerer needs to know. Look at all the software out there for windows. Not bad for an OS with ALL THE APIs LOCKED UP BY THE EVIL BILL GATES is it? PULEEEASE. Symantec, Mijenix, NT Internals etc get by very well, doing some very cool stuff with windows.
oh and by the way.
EnumProcesses The EnumProcesses function retrieves the process identifier for each process object in the system.
BOOL EnumProcesses( DWORD * lpidProcess,// array to receive the process identifiers DWORD cb,// size of the array DWORD * cbNeeded// receives the number of bytes returned );
Parameters lpidProcess Pointer to an array that receives the list of process identifiers. cb Specifies the size, in bytes, of the lpidProcess array. cbNeeded Receives the number of bytes returned in the lpidProcess array. Return Value If the function succeeds, the return value is nonzero.
If the function fails, the return value is zero. To get extended error information, call GetLastError.
Remarks It is a good idea to give EnumProcesses a large array of DWORD values, because it is hard to predict how many processes there will be at the time you call EnumProcesses. To determine how many processes were enumerated by the call to EnumProcesses, divide the resulting value in the cbNeeded parameter by sizeof(DWORD).
To obtain process handles for the processes whose identifiers you have just obtained, call the OpenProcess function.
See Also Process Status Helper Overview, PSAPI Functions, OpenProcess
don't worry...i've downloaded most of the milestones and the html rendering is still slower than IE5. And I doubt it will be much faster when gecko goes gold:P.
Actually looked at it a second time and Word integrated itself into IE using OLE and loads it up. Funny it's faster than netscape loading up it's splash screen.
I think the 70 thousand great windows applications that exist are a good enough example. Ever read MSDN? Sure maybe there is some obscure function in a DLL which noone ever uses...and which isn't mentioned in official documentations...but who cares? It can't be that important if all this software is out there without needing to use it.
Why would MS close their APIs? Their OS exists cause of 3rd party software...yeesh.
Try being a windows programmer and read msdn (msdn.microsoft.com) before you crap on.
"I have not seen a shred of proof..." - what a load of hogwash
it's got to be one of the crappiest ideas ever IMHO. Bookmarks treated the way windows does shortcuts (*.lnk etc) is a good idea. What if i want to delete bookmarks? I have to use their clunky interface, no APIs i can use to edit it unless I parse the HTML myself. Yuck. There's no difference to copying a directory as there is a file (ever seen -r or/s?)
M$ has hidden a lot of the API that IE uses (it is undocumented).
Wrong, IBrowser and IE APIs are very well documented. Cause MS considers IE to be a tools, not a browser (IE technology that is). I know quite well how to add buttons to the toolbar, or make IE do different actions depending on the tag of the HTML document. Hell, I can even write my own browser based on IE like neoplanet have done. It's all on MSDN.....You can write those band objects too (the search bar, favorites bar and the quicklaunch thing on the taskbar)...they're just COM objects called "bands".
This embeddedness figured prominently into Judge Jackson's ruling. As things stand, only Microsoft can get stuff like this to work. The people who tailor web pages to IE5 are shooting us all in the foot. I do not care whether IE5 works better. Once you have to have a specific browser to access web sites, not only is Linux at risk but the internet as well.
Don't be an idiot. IE is the best browser. It views standards compliant pages very well. You don't have to use IE specific features if you don't want to. *rolls eyes*. Every _real_ web developer who develops for the public either develops two sites (using ASP or wotever)...or uses standard. Even microsoft.com views fine on older browsers but views even better with DHTML when it detects you're using IE. What pages out there need IE to view huh? They're enhanced for IE, but always have simpler sites for older and less advanced browsers like netscape.
Nonsense. My company shoved it down my throat. MS cut them a deal - to get a discount they had to agree to install Windows and Office on every PC in the company. I had to buy SoftWindows for my Mac to comply with the resulting company policy. MS forced IE onto every computer that had Windows preinstalled. MS forced computer vendors to pay a windows license for every machine they shipped, regardless if the user wanted it or not. MS forced Apple to drop Netscape and set up IE as their primary browser. It's all there in Judge Jackson's finding of fact.
I think apple got paid to set IE as the default browser (as if Netscape didn't do the same with ISPs). See what I mean? Everyone does it, just Microsoft can't do it anymore since they're the biggest. Discount deals to buy Office etc are also standard business practise. If you don't want office, you don't get discounts on other MS products...I see any problem. You should look at it the other way round. If you do support office, you get discounts.
Jackson's findings of facts are hardly my opinions. I think Jackson is wrong on that. Bill Gates is not an 'evil' person. He uses predatory tatics. That's called american business and capatilsm. I don't have any problem. Even now we're starting to see microsoft start to fall, that's the way the IT industry has worked for years. When MS falls, some 'darling' company will rise up and then get real big. Everyone will start hating it, and it'll fall. The cycle repeats. MS's position in the computing indistry has helped made a standard for software development. Sure it's proprietry, but it's better than no standard at all ain't it?
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Office 2000 uses the same formats as Office 97.
I'd like to see 2 or 3 pages of code while programming, and currently with 2 monitors & w2k, it's nice, but 2 20" LCD displays would just ROCK. I'd be able to have shitloads of work up there...webbrowser in one place, c++ in another etc.
Oh, and TV Tuner in one area as well. LCD is much smaller (I really hate the space CRTs take up), takes up half the power, and doesn't flicker.
A desktop OS designed where you have to recompile the kernel to add any new funtionality is not a good desktop OS at all.
Windows's driver and VM model allows for extension without recompiling (yes i know linux has mods).
EnumProcesses
Hmm. The Win32 SDK help files I am using do not have an entry for this function. Thanks.
Copied directly from MSDN. If you don't have the CDs, you can always look it up online at msdn.microsoft.com.
Oh, and don't keep giving me that undocumented crap again, these tools _don't_ use undocumented APIs...if there's any API you can't find to do something - write it yourself, that's what modular driver models are for.
Just cause there's no prearranged api for you to do something doesn't mean you can't do it yourself.
All APIs needed are supplied. Hiding APIs is something that is such a big myth...sure some extry points aren't there, but they're not important. It's like car companies not mentioning that there's a button that does XXXX...it's not important.
Windows relies on 3rd party software, and there's no reason to hide anything.
that's so lame tho.
how many people actually want the source to linux?
I certainly don't. I just want it to work.
protocols are more important, push for open protocols.
Yeah, but windows still looks quite different from OS2 or Mac...look at the latest Linux/X based apps, even have removable toolbars like in windows :)
One of the better looking linux software out there :) Funny how linux is copying the windows gui :P ..right down to the icons and toolbars.
Looks very windowish
I believe there was a recent discussion on Slashdot about them. There was note of the fact that few, if any PCI modems are made that are not Winmodems
Uh there are HEAPS of PCI modems which aren't 'winmodems' (meaning software based dsp).
However, PCI modems obviously require special drivers.
Um, I don't get it. (yeah stupid :)).
Eventually wouldn't the GC release all memory used? What happens to an object that's now unreachable?
Making things disposable is so silly. Stop it damn it >:|.
...wait there already are.
Just have cheap cellphones and calling cards
Java provides bunches of features that C does not. That means that if you are competent in both Java and C, you will be able to write larger and less buggy applications in Java than in C.
Sorry, gotta respectfully disagree
However, it is a VERY nice and easy language. Part of the speed problem with Java is not just the VM, but the way the language works (dynamic linking, heaps, gc, OO) etc.
I'll be happy the day I get my native compiler for Java
It's fast enough, professional (semi) looking, and doesn't tax my cpu nor ram.
unless you use swing or awt >:P. My CPU just about chokes when using java graphics libraries.
I can say with certainty that Java does not do that "run anywhere" thing on
What a loa dof balony. WHy don't you use Sun's VM then? Microsoft's VM is fast and works for me. You seem to be taking in this "oooh MS java is impure" to mean that MS Java won't work with Sun Java. MS just added extensions, if you developed in another plantform, it'll work. The thing that won't work is RMI, you have to download the RMI libraries seperately from Microsoft's FTP site (RMI for Windows CE is there too).
Java is the only credible threat to WinCE in the long run.
Current Windows CE devices support java 1.1 (full not that KVM crap for Palm) thru Microsoft's VM.
I'm getting so sick and tired of all this "oooh they have hidden APIs shit". Yes they do have undocumented API calls, these calls are calls that aren't documented cause they aren't needed. They's OS specific stuff which only the OS manufactuerer needs to know. Look at all the software out there for windows. Not bad for an OS with ALL THE APIs LOCKED UP BY THE EVIL BILL GATES is it? PULEEEASE. Symantec, Mijenix, NT Internals etc get by very well, doing some very cool stuff with windows.
// array to receive the process identifiers // size of the array // receives the number of bytes returned
oh and by the way.
EnumProcesses
The EnumProcesses function retrieves the process identifier for each process object in the system.
BOOL EnumProcesses(
DWORD * lpidProcess,
DWORD cb,
DWORD * cbNeeded
);
Parameters
lpidProcess
Pointer to an array that receives the list of process identifiers.
cb
Specifies the size, in bytes, of the lpidProcess array.
cbNeeded
Receives the number of bytes returned in the lpidProcess array.
Return Value
If the function succeeds, the return value is nonzero.
If the function fails, the return value is zero. To get extended error information, call GetLastError.
Remarks
It is a good idea to give EnumProcesses a large array of DWORD values, because it is hard to predict how many processes there will be at the time you call EnumProcesses. To determine how many processes were enumerated by the call to EnumProcesses, divide the resulting value in the cbNeeded parameter by sizeof(DWORD).
To obtain process handles for the processes whose identifiers you have just obtained, call the OpenProcess function.
See Also
Process Status Helper Overview, PSAPI Functions, OpenProcess
Um, where was any form of argument in that?
you are obviously an idiotic vb junkie
Um, yeah I know VB well, but I also know C++ and Java (java equally well).
Just wait till microsoft decides to expand its services division, you'll see firsthand yourself then
explain.
In case you would like to find out beforehand, try researching!
Uh, what are the reasons for you thinking that?
Um, you could embedd gui components into other gui components since vb3 and probably before.
don't worry ...i've downloaded most of the milestones and the html rendering is still slower than IE5. :P.
And I doubt it will be much faster when gecko goes gold
Actually looked at it a second time and Word integrated itself into IE using OLE and loads it up. Funny it's faster than netscape loading up it's splash screen.
Hrm, works here. Windows 2000 IE5, Right click -> open in new window
I think the 70 thousand great windows applications that exist are a good enough example. Ever read MSDN? Sure maybe there is some obscure function in a DLL which noone ever uses...and which isn't mentioned in official documentations...but who cares? It can't be that important if all this software is out there without needing to use it.
Why would MS close their APIs? Their OS exists cause of 3rd party software...yeesh.
Try being a windows programmer and read msdn (msdn.microsoft.com) before you crap on.
"I have not seen a shred of proof..." - what a load of hogwash
Keep bookmarks html.
it's got to be one of the crappiest ideas ever IMHO. Bookmarks treated the way windows does shortcuts (*.lnk etc) is a good idea. What if i want to delete bookmarks? I have to use their clunky interface, no APIs i can use to edit it unless I parse the HTML myself. Yuck.
There's no difference to copying a directory as there is a file (ever seen -r or
M$ has hidden a lot of the API that IE uses (it is undocumented).
Wrong, IBrowser and IE APIs are very well documented. Cause MS considers IE to be a tools, not a browser (IE technology that is).
I know quite well how to add buttons to the toolbar, or make IE do different actions depending on the tag of the HTML document. Hell, I can even write my own browser based on IE like neoplanet have done.
It's all on MSDN.....You can write those band objects too (the search bar, favorites bar and the quicklaunch thing on the taskbar)...they're just COM objects called "bands".
This embeddedness figured prominently into Judge Jackson's ruling. As things stand, only Microsoft can get stuff like this to work. The people who tailor web pages to IE5 are shooting us all in the foot. I do not care whether IE5 works better. Once you have to have a specific browser to access web sites, not only is Linux at risk but the internet as well.
Don't be an idiot. IE is the best browser. It views standards compliant pages very well. You don't have to use IE specific features if you don't want to. *rolls eyes*.
Every _real_ web developer who develops for the public either develops two sites (using ASP or wotever)...or uses standard.
Even microsoft.com views fine on older browsers but views even better with DHTML when it detects you're using IE.
What pages out there need IE to view huh? They're enhanced for IE, but always have simpler sites for older and less advanced browsers like netscape.
By the way componentisation is GOOD.
Word is optimised for speed not size.
The doc files should compress well tho.
Nonsense. My company shoved it down my throat. MS cut them a deal - to get a discount they had to agree to install Windows and Office on every PC in the company. I had to buy SoftWindows for my Mac to comply with the resulting company policy. MS forced IE onto every computer that had Windows preinstalled. MS forced computer vendors to pay a windows license for every machine they shipped, regardless if the user wanted it or not. MS forced Apple to drop Netscape and set up IE as their primary browser. It's all there in Judge Jackson's finding of fact.
I think apple got paid to set IE as the default browser (as if Netscape didn't do the same with ISPs). See what I mean? Everyone does it, just Microsoft can't do it anymore since they're the biggest.
Discount deals to buy Office etc are also standard business practise. If you don't want office, you don't get discounts on other MS products...I see any problem. You should look at it the other way round. If you do support office, you get discounts.
Jackson's findings of facts are hardly my opinions. I think Jackson is wrong on that. Bill Gates is not an 'evil' person. He uses predatory tatics. That's called american business and capatilsm. I don't have any problem. Even now we're starting to see microsoft start to fall, that's the way the IT industry has worked for years.
When MS falls, some 'darling' company will rise up and then get real big. Everyone will start hating it, and it'll fall. The cycle repeats. MS's position in the computing indistry has helped made a standard for software development. Sure it's proprietry, but it's better than no standard at all ain't it?