If microsoft had never made IE netscape would still be the piece of crap it is today. With IE at least Netscape made an attempt to improve their product...but becuase they had such a munted source base, they couldn't do it.
IE is successful not only cause of microsoft tactics. It's successful simply cause it's better. That's the hard truth I'm afraid.
At Uni, they still use Netscape (refuse to use IE) because they're strictly a Unix only, Non microsoft department. It's pretty sad to watch netscape crumble all the workstations.
Most HTML documents produced by Word view fine under netscape...as long as netscape doesn't crash on you.
It's HTML and XML. Nothing special. Inthe end it's netscape's fault for not implementing new standards, but spend time adding "Shop" buttons and "We'll redirect you to netcentre every second click" type features.
Why does Bill Gates refuting what he believes to be false have to be sickening? I'm sorry but Microsoft does innovate. Their products are better than the competition. Noone is shoving MS Office down people's throats, but people still buy it. Hell, my boss at work just went and bought several copies of Office 2000 over free copies Star Office. It's easier for the employees to use without having to really learn it. And it's fast and reliable.
Microsoft innovations aren't in the form of major leaps like coming up with the idea for spread sheets etc etc, but their innovations come in the form of how they utlize other people's innovations and extend them with their own small ideas. Small ideas add up. For example, Intellisense technology, which originated from VB & Office and has extended it's way throughout much of MS's major software. It's not a b ig thing, but it makes a big difference. And their software has all these small things which are there and they've obviously thought carefully about what they do. Eg. Ctrl and Shift are heavily used for 'power' users. If you drag and drop with the left mouse button, the mouse icon shows what action will be taken (move/copy etc)...and holding down ctrl or shift will modify that action without havint to use the right button. Just very small things they put into their products make them very powerful.
Microsoft _HAS_ led the PC industry for quite a while now, and I'm glad for that. Who cares if someone else would have done it anyway? Microsoft had. I'm glad that Bill Gates is the CEO of the world's largest software company. He's a geek businessman. He drinks coke and eats cheese during he trial etc. And I do believe he has good intentions.
Imagine the alternatives. Scott McNealy. Larry Ellison. See what i mean?
Many people have said things like "Now bill will have to play by the same rules yadayada". Well, Bill plays by the same rules everyone else does. Only his company is the biggest and playing by the same rules he used to do 10 years ago is no longer acceptable. There's a point where you have to change your practices because you're too big and considered a bully when you do the same things you and everyone else have been doing since that start.
Gee it's a GUID. The last part of it has the id that your network card contains...or it's faked if you don't have a card. It's no more of a concern that having your IP tracked. Or having to use a credit card.
Relax ok. The only ones who have anything to fear are people who crack.
I've had Linux panic when i ran out of harddisk space:)
I think you'll find that applications that crash NT will be ones that install kernel level drivers....and they're what crashes the kernel. I guess some could come down to bugs...but that's quite rare in NT.
NT is very nice and very stable. I've got a W2K server at work....running on cheap hardware (except for that century memory stick i suppose) and it's been up for like almost 3 months....I haven't had to touch it AT ALL:) Quite impressed i am i am.
-Star Office & Wordperfect is SLOOOOOW - even on windows - and worse on Linux. I can start word in under 2 seconds, and even with all the stuff it does, it's faster and more responsive than any other WP.
-A fully featured browser that is fast and works well. Plain and simple. Netscape is not an option.
-Visual Studio. Frankly I can't live without intellisense anymore:) switching to and fro the documentation is lame.
-DirectX. I have more speed.
And to me, Windows (using W2K here) is just more responsive on my hardware. It requires more memory (tho that much more if you use X)
-Java2 support. Blackdown seems to be dead, I'm looking forward to Sun offically supporting Linux next year. Pity sun's VM is slow. Oh, speaking of Java, I can't live without J++'s compiler either. What would you want? A compiler that compiles 100 classes and packages it into an install exe in 3 seconds, or a compiler that compiles 1 class in 6 seconds?:).
-AntiAliasing - XFree86 just looks god damn ugly I'm afraid.
Basically It's not really software that's missing, it's quality software that's missing from Linux. Linux has quality server and CLI software, but lacks quality desktop software.
I know these problems will go away given another year or too...but that doesn't change the fact that it's not ready for full time use for me NOW.
I don't think so. I did have corupt registries back in 95/96 when 95 first came out. But been running Win98 and Windows 2000 since then with absolutely no registry dramas.
It's worse to try to write to a static text file - no indexing or tabling. What if you want to insert a setting? The only choice is to rewrite the entire file...erk. yuck yuck. I'll have a database over a text file any day.
As far as GUIs crashing, I have far more Windows Explorer crashes than I ever get from XFree.
I was refering to GDI rather than Explorer...explorer isn't the GUI engine...it's more like a Window Manager in X terms....well sortta - a better comparision would be something like KDE's file manager.
Microsoft IE 5 is the best web browser currently available. But it also is a bloated pig in terms of system resources and does not fully adhere to standards, and I'd bet in the not too distant future will be surpassed by Mozilla. In the meantime Netscape is quite 'decent' thank you
Yes it is, but bloated like a pig in terms of systems resources? I have yet to find a browser (graphical) that takes less resources...it's fast, and takes very little memory...even over mozilla. especially over hotjava and netscape.
netscape isn't quite decent by my standards...i don't want to be afraid to resize the browser window (netscape likes to reload off the server if you do that) or have the entire process lock up while it does a DNS lookup. I wonder if Netscape even uses threads.
Also, CORBA isn't doing the same jobs as COM - COM is far more popular than CORBA. CORBA is more popular than DCOM however. You don't see very many ActiveX or COM components out there using CORBA - it's too slow (that's why KDE developed KOM....mozilla developed xpCOM).
And read my other post for the reasons on a registry - basically the same reason to have a database and file per table like the old 198x databases. It has *some* disadvantages (like having a harddisk over floppies) but has many advantages.
That is a valid point. However, things like XF86Config get large enough once you add font paths..and some extra config. (ok it's not huge...but you get the idea). Your argument sounds like an argument for floppies.
"Why would we ever want harddisk - having everything on one drive rather than just 1000 floppies! It's safer!"
You're right that if the registry corrupts - you lose a lot. But then I don't think that really should stop you from doing it 'the best way IMHO' (I'm a fan of centralized & common standard storage of information) - and then solve the problems by backups. It's harder to backup all settings if they are in small files spread out everywhere.
I think basically the registry acts as a simple database. Think how much safer over a text file a transactional settings database (sitting on a JFS) would be? That's the registry:) There are many things that need to be stored - most of the windows registry actually involveds storing COM object GUIDs,IIDs etc....splitting that over several files would be silly:) The registry in Win32 has other features like in memory settings (they go away when the user logs off) etc.
Say you had a 20MB of work... Would you split it up into ~1MB bits...or keep it together and back it all up?
Componentisation with ActiveX and COM? So they are the end-all, be-all of component technology, using something else is not an option?
You always have an option, but the default the standard is set, and it's COM....since COM is language neutral (can use C/++, Java, VB, Delphi etc) it's also very much part of windows now. That way many APIs can easily be accessed thru dual interface COM objects - making it very easy to do thru VB and Java (Look at DirectX). I prefer Visual Studio to other IDEs for one reason - the editor. It has HUGE advantages over text based ones - intellisense. It's so useful I refuse to use any other IDE now:)...hate having to switch to and from documentation to figure out simply the method names! The addition of inteliisense to VC++ 6 is what led me to C++ over VB, then the arrival of VJ++ 6 with intellisense shortly after led me from VC++ to VJ++:).
And IMHO registries are needed. Not just for the massive GUID registries in need today for COM/CORBA - but it's a standard fast mechanism for storage of information. I'm betting that in the future as windows COMponentises even more - there will be object store registries - where you can serialize objects into the registry....it's all about a standard way (for windows apps) to store information - and it's all indexed etc etc...just like storing a database the way Oracle does it - or in a text file.
21. Cohesive level of componentisation thru ActiveX and COM. 22. Decent webbrowser (yes had to say it again) 23. Visual Studio, and other COMPLETE RAD and IDEs. 24. A decent API for install and settings. Huge *rc files and XF86Config files are lame compared to a centralized registry IMHO. Even corba etc needs one. 25. GUI that doesn't crash as much as XFree.
Uh voyager is in it's sixth season. TNG & DS9 got good after the first 2. And voyager's writing is REALLY bad when it's bad - getting to the point of making the rest of trek make no sense because they do some stupid things. Look at threshold, or all of the Q episodes. Voyager ruins everything.
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If microsoft had never made IE netscape would still be the piece of crap it is today.
With IE at least Netscape made an attempt to improve their product...but becuase they had such a munted source base, they couldn't do it.
IE is successful not only cause of microsoft tactics. It's successful simply cause it's better. That's the hard truth I'm afraid.
At Uni, they still use Netscape (refuse to use IE) because they're strictly a Unix only, Non microsoft department. It's pretty sad to watch netscape crumble all the workstations.
Uh, have you even TRIED it?
Most HTML documents produced by Word view fine under netscape...as long as netscape doesn't crash on you.
It's HTML and XML. Nothing special.
Inthe end it's netscape's fault for not implementing new standards, but spend time adding "Shop" buttons and "We'll redirect you to netcentre every second click" type features.
Why does Bill Gates refuting what he believes to be false have to be sickening?
I'm sorry but Microsoft does innovate. Their products are better than the competition. Noone is shoving MS Office down people's throats, but people still buy it. Hell, my boss at work just went and bought several copies of Office 2000 over free copies Star Office. It's easier for the employees to use without having to really learn it. And it's fast and reliable.
Microsoft innovations aren't in the form of major leaps like coming up with the idea for spread sheets etc etc, but their innovations come in the form of how they utlize other people's innovations and extend them with their own small ideas. Small ideas add up.
For example, Intellisense technology, which originated from VB & Office and has extended it's way throughout much of MS's major software. It's not a b ig thing, but it makes a big difference. And their software has all these small things which are there and they've obviously thought carefully about what they do.
Eg. Ctrl and Shift are heavily used for 'power' users. If you drag and drop with the left mouse button, the mouse icon shows what action will be taken (move/copy etc)...and holding down ctrl or shift will modify that action without havint to use the right button.
Just very small things they put into their products make them very powerful.
Microsoft _HAS_ led the PC industry for quite a while now, and I'm glad for that. Who cares if someone else would have done it anyway? Microsoft had. I'm glad that Bill Gates is the CEO of the world's largest software company. He's a geek businessman. He drinks coke and eats cheese during he trial etc. And I do believe he has good intentions.
Imagine the alternatives. Scott McNealy. Larry Ellison. See what i mean?
Many people have said things like "Now bill will have to play by the same rules yadayada".
Well, Bill plays by the same rules everyone else does. Only his company is the biggest and playing by the same rules he used to do 10 years ago is no longer acceptable. There's a point where you have to change your practices because you're too big and considered a bully when you do the same things you and everyone else have been doing since that start.
Gee it's a GUID. The last part of it has the id that your network card contains...or it's faked if you don't have a card.
It's no more of a concern that having your IP tracked. Or having to use a credit card.
Relax ok. The only ones who have anything to fear are people who crack.
Uh, yes at least 4 times in the past 6 months.
I've had Linux panic when i ran out of harddisk space :)
I think you'll find that applications that crash NT will be ones that install kernel level drivers....and they're what crashes the kernel.
I guess some could come down to bugs...but that's quite rare in NT.
Did MS destroy the Messaging market?
eh?
IE dog slow? Uh...have you ever used it?
Just cause he enters a market doesn't mean he's destroying it. I thought you would like competition.
What about...who thinks Linux is buggy?
NT is very nice and very stable. I've got a W2K server at work....running on cheap hardware (except for that century memory stick i suppose) and it's been up for like almost 3 months....I haven't had to touch it AT ALL :) Quite impressed i am i am.
A decent _FAST_ office suite.
:) switching to and fro the documentation is lame.
:).
-Star Office & Wordperfect is SLOOOOOW - even on windows - and worse on Linux. I can start word in under 2 seconds, and even with all the stuff it does, it's faster and more responsive than any other WP.
-A fully featured browser that is fast and works well. Plain and simple. Netscape is not an option.
-Visual Studio. Frankly I can't live without intellisense anymore
-DirectX. I have more speed.
And to me, Windows (using W2K here) is just more responsive on my hardware. It requires more memory (tho that much more if you use X)
-Java2 support. Blackdown seems to be dead, I'm looking forward to Sun offically supporting Linux next year. Pity sun's VM is slow. Oh, speaking of Java, I can't live without J++'s compiler either. What would you want? A compiler that compiles 100 classes and packages it into an install exe in 3 seconds, or a compiler that compiles 1 class in 6 seconds?
-AntiAliasing - XFree86 just looks god damn ugly I'm afraid.
Basically It's not really software that's missing, it's quality software that's missing from Linux. Linux has quality server and CLI software, but lacks quality desktop software.
I know these problems will go away given another year or too...but that doesn't change the fact that it's not ready for full time use for me NOW.
Neither does NT.
;).
Win98 generally protects memory between applications...but not all memory....some Win16 DOS compatibility issues or something like that
Yeah, but it's probably be able to do everything before you think about. Recognise you and your dog's voice etc.
Also, why don't you try listing requirements for Solaris 12 or Linux 10.9.5.3.1 and X12R3..or even better, Java, StarOffice, Netscape.
That's right. Lets look at the evidence about memory and speed.
Microsoft Office vs Sun's Star Office
uh wait...
Internet Explorer vs Netscape Navigator vs Hot Java
uh wait...
VB/VC/J++ vs Sun's Java
uh wait...
never mind.
Every piece of software is buggy...you'd be silly to say it wasn't.
But NT seems less buggy (because it prevents buggy software from doing buggy things).
And Linux software is generally buggier. Don't deny it.
I don't think so. I did have corupt registries back in 95/96 when 95 first came out. But been running Win98 and Windows 2000 since then with absolutely no registry dramas.
It's worse to try to write to a static text file - no indexing or tabling.
What if you want to insert a setting? The only choice is to rewrite the entire file...erk. yuck yuck. I'll have a database over a text file any day.
As far as GUIs crashing, I have far more Windows Explorer crashes than I ever get from XFree.
I was refering to GDI rather than Explorer...explorer isn't the GUI engine...it's more like a Window Manager in X terms....well sortta - a better comparision would be something like KDE's file manager.
Microsoft IE 5 is the best web browser currently available. But it also is a bloated pig in terms of system resources and does not fully adhere to standards, and I'd bet in the not too distant future will be surpassed by Mozilla. In the meantime Netscape is quite 'decent' thank you
Yes it is, but bloated like a pig in terms of systems resources? I have yet to find a browser (graphical) that takes less resources...it's fast, and takes very little memory...even over mozilla. especially over hotjava and netscape.
netscape isn't quite decent by my standards...i don't want to be afraid to resize the browser window (netscape likes to reload off the server if you do that) or have the entire process lock up while it does a DNS lookup. I wonder if Netscape even uses threads.
Also, CORBA isn't doing the same jobs as COM - COM is far more popular than CORBA. CORBA is more popular than DCOM however. You don't see very many ActiveX or COM components out there using CORBA - it's too slow (that's why KDE developed KOM....mozilla developed xpCOM).
And read my other post for the reasons on a registry - basically the same reason to have a database and file per table like the old 198x databases. It has *some* disadvantages (like having a harddisk over floppies) but has many advantages.
That is a valid point. However, things like XF86Config get large enough once you add font paths..and some extra config. (ok it's not huge...but you get the idea).
:) :)
...or keep it together and back it all up?
Your argument sounds like an argument for floppies.
"Why would we ever want harddisk - having everything on one drive rather than just 1000 floppies! It's safer!"
You're right that if the registry corrupts - you lose a lot. But then I don't think that really should stop you from doing it 'the best way IMHO' (I'm a fan of centralized & common standard storage of information) - and then solve the problems by backups. It's harder to backup all settings if they are in small files spread out everywhere.
I think basically the registry acts as a simple database. Think how much safer over a text file a transactional settings database (sitting on a JFS) would be? That's the registry
There are many things that need to be stored - most of the windows registry actually involveds storing COM object GUIDs,IIDs etc....splitting that over several files would be silly
The registry in Win32 has other features like in memory settings (they go away when the user logs off) etc.
Say you had a 20MB of work... Would you split it up into ~1MB bits
Componentisation with ActiveX and COM? So they are the end-all, be-all of component technology, using something else is not an option?
You always have an option, but the default the standard is set, and it's COM....since COM is language neutral (can use C/++, Java, VB, Delphi etc) it's also very much part of windows now. That way many APIs can easily be accessed thru dual interface COM objects - making it very easy to do thru VB and Java (Look at DirectX).
I prefer Visual Studio to other IDEs for one reason - the editor. It has HUGE advantages over text based ones - intellisense. It's so useful I refuse to use any other IDE now
The addition of inteliisense to VC++ 6 is what led me to C++ over VB, then the arrival of VJ++ 6 with intellisense shortly after led me from VC++ to VJ++
And IMHO registries are needed. Not just for the massive GUID registries in need today for COM/CORBA - but it's a standard fast mechanism for storage of information. I'm betting that in the future as windows COMponentises even more - there will be object store registries - where you can serialize objects into the registry....it's all about a standard way (for windows apps) to store information - and it's all indexed etc etc...just like storing a database the way Oracle does it - or in a text file.
21. Cohesive level of componentisation thru ActiveX and COM.
22. Decent webbrowser (yes had to say it again)
23. Visual Studio, and other COMPLETE RAD and IDEs.
24. A decent API for install and settings. Huge *rc files and XF86Config files are lame compared to a centralized registry IMHO. Even corba etc needs one.
25. GUI that doesn't crash as much as XFree.
Some people have them implanted...like the ferengis. (Remember Little Green Men?)
I mean, how many times does the goddamn holodeck have to break before they decide that maybe, perhaps they should turn it off?
How many times do cars have to crash before you stop driving?
And holodecks are better, you can have sex in them
Uh voyager is in it's sixth season. TNG & DS9 got good after the first 2.
And voyager's writing is REALLY bad when it's bad - getting to the point of making the rest of trek make no sense because they do some stupid things. Look at threshold, or all of the Q episodes.
Voyager ruins everything.
well those people would be the immature ones with ego problems.