How does she like waiting 5 minutes for StarOffice to load? Or how does she like it when X crashes?;P
ok, so it may not happen for you. but windows rarely crashes for me - but then again, i run nt not 9x:)))
Excel is faster than StarOffice tho. It's ok unless you start wanting to extend it's functionality - and then you can't. Unlike Excel/Office where i can do anything i want to with it (even without the source).
KDevelop is very very good for a relatively new project. It's not as good as VC++, but it's very impressive. I pretty much depend on it now too:).
I don't tolerate crashes now. But I don't think Linux is crash free. It's filesystem has totally stuffed up on my more than once, causing dataloss. It doesn't handle not being shutdown very well (powerless etc) - until XFS gets ported and into a distribution, it's vaporware.
Everyone around here always calls stuff that isn't out yet Vaporware. And in the light that Transmeta is being all hoodaa secretive about what they're developing, I think it should be considered vaporware (espcially with all the rumours around).
Why is it that there's a silence in the room when someone mentions Transmeta.
That's what it's called by the way. And I haven't been able to find a reliable source that confirms whether it accurs at the speed of light, or instantly. Different places say different things:/
Although i agree for the most part, Fusion isn't radiation free. The process to convert dueterium into helium isn't perfect, and there are free neutrons at the end. It's less than Fision, and more efficient, but not totally radiation free.
Look at the sun, it's a ball of dangerous radiation.
Although i agree for the most part, Fusion isn't radiation free. The process to convert dueterium into helium isn't perfect, and there are free neutrons at the end. It's less than Fision, and more efficient, but not totally radiation free.
Who said anything about holy grail of computing? (isn't that speech recognition:P)>
I understand that peopl ethink differently from me, if i had thought they all thought like me, i wouldn't have written that message.
And people hate NT cause the admin tools are usable by idiots? Um, stupid argument.
and worthless for professionals - how so? Why do people keep comparing NT-out-of-the-box to Linux-and-every-single-unix-application-available? I can admin all i want from the command line. anything not written already, i write myself. Easy peasy. You could even use unix utils in the form of cygwin. And script using WSH and perlscript if you really want.
If you read again...my point was that just cause it's easy to use (by idiots as you say), doesn't mean professionals/geeks/wotever can't use it with all the power they had before. Things don't go missing, things are moved around, maybe, but if you use your brain, you can find them and use them - or write better utils - or find ones already written - or port them. Lets say someone writes a version of Unix. All the C libraries are present, the Win32 API and the Unix API are avilable under NT. And a similar thing is happening with Linux. Just cause you make everything user friendly, doesn't mean those APIs suddenly vanish.
Many Windows file not found messages i get normally are caused by apps accessing non existed dlls etc...in which case i do get the filename i'm after. Where do you get a simple "Cannot find the file specified"? Did you specify a file or did an app do it? If an app did it, it should have trapped the error windows sent it.
What's with you guys huh? I like the ideas behind MS' decision to make NT GUI based. I mean, when we moved to CLI, we abandoned nice LEDs with flick switches. Eventually, computers will be sooo powerful that text is pointless. However, Windows still has the command line that runs ontop of the GUI. It may not be good for lower class machines (which linux excels on) but it's nice for machines where you can get the intial resources for the GUI. Making Linux easy to use shouldn't alienate hackers and the dilbert shirt wearing community. How can it? Just cause there is an easy interface doesn't mean what's underneath disspears. Take NT (again), you can basically do everything you would do in Unix with Cygwin and other ported utils. But it's a GUI based OS. Open up a cygwin box, and full screen it and then you have all your 'power' again. Personallly, I prefer to run everything from a GUI. I use Xfree (even tho it's unstable) in Linux and run shells within it. What's there missing from that that you would have if you ran without X - except memory and some cpu time which is negliable with modern pcs, unless you plan to run netscape - then you're stuffed no matter what hardwar you are bestowed with:P. IMHO Linux needs a better GUI engine, X has crashed more times for me that NT ever has (couting non GUI related crashes).
Linux needs so much more simplifying. Automount is a good idea, but doesn't come standard with any distribution i've tried (i'm suprised redhat doesn't do it - they've simplyfied other things like enabling END and HOME keys in bash). I don't understand what fun some of you guys feel when you manually mount a file system. Geee BIG DEAL - doesn't the thrill or ego run out somewhere?
Sometimes I have to wonder - you guys spend too much time doing mundane stuff (to the technically minded - but not to joe normal) like mounting, editong.rc files etc. Do you think this is what makes you an official geek? Like I've always said. I prefer to spend my time doing interesting new fascinating tasks, not doing the same old thing over and over and over and over and over and over again (wow, good brain excercise NOT). The OS should do it, and maybe for some things, the OS should learn what I want to do, and suggest it (much like Windows is starting to do) at appropriate times.
Come on guys,m get off your egotistical butts and start working on an OS that everyone can use. And don't think that cause you do things manually that you are geeky and cool. And don't think that GUIs and easy user interfaces means everything's easy (or that it's bad for technical people either - someone has to always make these easy interfaces with non easy things).
According to Netcraft, Apache runs on more than 57 percent of the world's Web sites and has gained consistent market share, even during Microsoft's aggressive attack on Netscape. What has Netscape got to do with Apache? We all know that IIS is faster than Apache don't we;P
Why not put coils of wires around them? These things spin quite a lot right? Certainly it'll make more energy than typing. Hell, disk drive plates are already magnetic;). Floppy and Zip drives could harness energy when you add and remove disks. Putting tiny solar panels over the little leds on the keyboards and monitors would help too.
Every bit counts!
On a more serious note. What about microwave energy? There's already enuff of it around now days, why not transmit energy to mobile devices? Anyone got a working Tesla coil?
I like the idea of having caps if you hit the keys harder. It's a damned cool idea, as soon as you get used to it, and stop habitually using the shift key, it would it would work:). It might slow typing down somewhat tho:\.
I'm going to be pretty quick cause I don't think you understood my intention. An NT solution *could* and most likely will get into 6 figures with your arrangement, but this is oppsed to the 7 figures of traditional Unix solutions. If you get it from someone like IBM you can get 99.99% type assurance etc etc.
I don't think that everyone should run around (and they have been for years) yelling Linux is better! Linux is faster! Linux is better designed! Linux is based on 30years of good computing (unlike NT which didn't learn from Unix) - oh but Linux isn't Unix - it's better.
NT is good for many solutions, as is Unix. Linux however is still immature, and I don't like the programming model. Too unset. And I've lost more than a *wee* bit of data with Linux - which is why I wouldn't use Linux for a data or file server. Try letting linux play with the harddisk and then turning the machine off and on a couple of times. Eventually, Linux won't be able to boot, and you'll have to do a manual fsck, which sometimes doesn't work. Windows NT/2000 doesn't mind it at all.
And Microsoft has BILLIONS, but they don't spend ALL of that on Windows. Most of it goes into theory and experiemental research. I'm glad someone is spending that kind of money on that sort of stuff these days.
Microsoft has billions. Microsoft spends all those billions developing Windows. That doesn't make sense.
As for that problem with the PPC, bad luck, but it looks like a problem with Pocket Streets rather than WinCE. Software crashes usually aren't OS related. Windows terminates applications that start to do bad things.
I'm sorry, but you have to be more specific. What exactly about the win32 api is "shit" to you? Poorly documented? Hrm, get a copy of the MSDN cds, go out and buy a book on the Win32APIs or goto msdn.microsoft.com and read, or ask questions. It's the most complete API I've used.
Think about it. Who makes Microsoft software? Microsoft the company or Microsoft engineers? All Microsoft employees are collegde grads, many of Microsoft's researchers are Phds. You think a 20something sitting in a basement could do and think up things better? I've NEVER NEVER seen anything original come out of Linux. Eventually, with a lot of wasted effort, Linux hackers will reinvent Unix - a bloated Unix. When MS want to make something, they spend a lot of time planning how the APIs etc should be arragned, rather than just hacking it just do it works. If you're a programmer, you'll understand how you can just DO IT to make it work for you, or DO IT the longer way and make it easy to maintain. With the release of Windows 2000 (RC1 is out, and Beta3 is public) you'll realise that Windows NT is ahead of Linux in so many areas. Microsoft does what it does for profit, but also cause Gates has a fascination that many of us share for "cool" technology stuff - why do you think he's got a house built on computers? Windows 2000 already supports 32 processors, 64GB memory, has a solid and proven distributed application foundation, and is very fast comapred to Linux on mid-high end computers. Sure, Linux can run on old 386 machines, but as long as you give Windows that 'initial' helping of resources, it goes up from there. Remember, until Linux came along, MS were basically the cheapest solution compared to "the others (sun etc)" who were charging an arm and a leg. Now Microsoft comes along with something with the potential to match Unix, and everyone bashes MS for price??
I don't see why you're bothering to say that. You're implying more API commands should make an OS faster? It could make applications faster if they utilize the APIs properly (eg. good use of multithreading). However, more APIs == easier to program complicated applications. You could have an OS that had almost none and do everything yourself - and then claim that it's better cause it has like 5 API calls, and the rest is up to you to do manually.
I have a K6-200, got 192MB ram (but had 64) and Word/Excel etc load basically as fast as IE5. eg. less than a second.
The first time you load it, it might take about 2 seconds, but subsequent loads will take less than a second. And Word is pluginable (It's called COM/ActiveX)- and it is. It doesn't load up modules (spell checker, macro engine etc) until it's used for the first time per session.
Windows 2000 Doesn't cost $2000, it's the same price as NT...unless you mean the advanced and cluster servers - in which case you get SMP that works and actually improves performance. Windows 2000 pushes mostly standards now, TCP/IP, DNS, LDAP, SNMP etc. Office 2000 uses fully compliant xml, and the document formats are the same as Office 97. Since noone can complain about the fact that Office breaks compatablity, I guess they'll take the oppurtunity to attack Office 2000 from the other side and point out the same file format indicates Office 2000 is no improvement and not worth it - it would be typical of a slashdotizen. And there are "word" like and.doc comaptable products are Unix and Linux. The reason i still use windows is - it has a more evolved Multimedia and Gaming API - it supports more hardware - it's got better software - it's easy to get work done and not piss around with fixing other people's source - it has a more consistant UI, and much much more evoled GUI. It's fast and stable (Windows 2000) on my hardware (not a 386). I'm using Linux simply for a network gateway at home these days, i do development on Windows, for Linux at work.
Mindcraft do a test that shows NT beats Linux. The Linux community cries fowl. ZDNet offer to do the test again, this time with both MS and Redhat/Linux guys there. The Linux community cries fowl. Some guys go and do the test them selves to show Linux is better, without Microsoft present. Linux community cries WHAT A WONDERFUL benchmark. Perfectly done, and oh, look, Linux won.
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I was a MS employee.
Gimme a 32MB Casio E-105 anyday.
And where's the sound/video/colour?
Is it just me or are these new palms just like the old palms (like my palm pilot pro) except in different cases?
that's all i can say. totally lame.
How does she like waiting 5 minutes for StarOffice to load? Or how does she like it when X crashes? ;P
:)))
:).
ok, so it may not happen for you. but windows rarely crashes for me - but then again, i run nt not 9x
Excel is faster than StarOffice tho. It's ok unless you start wanting to extend it's functionality - and then you can't. Unlike Excel/Office where i can do anything i want to with it (even without the source).
KDevelop is very very good for a relatively new project. It's not as good as VC++, but it's very impressive. I pretty much depend on it now too
I don't tolerate crashes now. But I don't think Linux is crash free. It's filesystem has totally stuffed up on my more than once, causing dataloss. It doesn't handle not being shutdown very well (powerless etc) - until XFS gets ported and into a distribution, it's vaporware.
Everyone around here always calls stuff that isn't out yet Vaporware. And in the light that Transmeta is being all hoodaa secretive about what they're developing, I think it should be considered vaporware (espcially with all the rumours around).
Why is it that there's a silence in the room when someone mentions Transmeta.
That's what it's called by the way. And I haven't been able to find a reliable source that confirms whether it accurs at the speed of light, or instantly. Different places say different things :/
Although i agree for the most part, Fusion isn't radiation free. The process to convert dueterium into helium isn't perfect, and there are free neutrons at the end. It's less than Fision, and more efficient, but not totally radiation free.
Look at the sun, it's a ball of dangerous radiation.
Although i agree for the most part, Fusion isn't radiation free. The process to convert dueterium into helium isn't perfect, and there are free neutrons at the end. It's less than Fision, and more efficient, but not totally radiation free.
Who said anything about holy grail of computing? (isn't that speech recognition :P)>
?
I understand that peopl ethink differently from me, if i had thought they all thought like me, i wouldn't have written that message.
And people hate NT cause the admin tools are usable by idiots? Um, stupid argument.
and worthless for professionals - how so?
Why do people keep comparing NT-out-of-the-box to Linux-and-every-single-unix-application-available
I can admin all i want from the command line. anything not written already, i write myself. Easy peasy.
You could even use unix utils in the form of cygwin. And script using WSH and perlscript if you really want.
If you read again...my point was that just cause it's easy to use (by idiots as you say), doesn't mean professionals/geeks/wotever can't use it with all the power they had before.
Things don't go missing, things are moved around, maybe, but if you use your brain, you can find them and use them - or write better utils - or find ones already written - or port them.
Lets say someone writes a version of Unix.
All the C libraries are present, the Win32 API and the Unix API are avilable under NT. And a similar thing is happening with Linux. Just cause you make everything user friendly, doesn't mean those APIs suddenly vanish.
Many Windows file not found messages i get normally are caused by apps accessing non existed dlls etc...in which case i do get the filename i'm after.
Where do you get a simple "Cannot find the file specified"?
Did you specify a file or did an app do it?
If an app did it, it should have trapped the error windows sent it.
What's with you guys huh? :P.
.rc files etc. Do you think this is what makes you an official geek?
I like the ideas behind MS' decision to make NT GUI based. I mean, when we moved to CLI, we abandoned nice LEDs with flick switches. Eventually, computers will be sooo powerful that text is pointless. However, Windows still has the command line that runs ontop of the GUI. It may not be good for lower class machines (which linux excels on) but it's nice for machines where you can get the intial resources for the GUI.
Making Linux easy to use shouldn't alienate hackers and the dilbert shirt wearing community. How can it? Just cause there is an easy interface doesn't mean what's underneath disspears. Take NT (again), you can basically do everything you would do in Unix with Cygwin and other ported utils. But it's a GUI based OS. Open up a cygwin box, and full screen it and then you have all your 'power' again.
Personallly, I prefer to run everything from a GUI. I use Xfree (even tho it's unstable) in Linux and run shells within it. What's there missing from that that you would have if you ran without X - except memory and some cpu time which is negliable with modern pcs, unless you plan to run netscape - then you're stuffed no matter what hardwar you are bestowed with
IMHO Linux needs a better GUI engine, X has crashed more times for me that NT ever has (couting non GUI related crashes).
Linux needs so much more simplifying. Automount is a good idea, but doesn't come standard with any distribution i've tried (i'm suprised redhat doesn't do it - they've simplyfied other things like enabling END and HOME keys in bash).
I don't understand what fun some of you guys feel when you manually mount a file system. Geee BIG DEAL - doesn't the thrill or ego run out somewhere?
Sometimes I have to wonder - you guys spend too much time doing mundane stuff (to the technically minded - but not to joe normal) like mounting, editong
Like I've always said. I prefer to spend my time doing interesting new fascinating tasks, not doing the same old thing over and over and over and over and over and over again (wow, good brain excercise NOT). The OS should do it, and maybe for some things, the OS should learn what I want to do, and suggest it (much like Windows is starting to do) at appropriate times.
Come on guys,m get off your egotistical butts and start working on an OS that everyone can use. And don't think that cause you do things manually that you are geeky and cool. And don't think that GUIs and easy user interfaces means everything's easy (or that it's bad for technical people either - someone has to always make these easy interfaces with non easy things).
What has Netscape's war with Microsoft (I'm presuming he's refering to browsers) got to do with apache's growth.
According to Netcraft, Apache runs on more than 57 percent of the world's Web sites and has gained consistent market share, even during Microsoft's aggressive attack on Netscape. What has Netscape got to do with Apache? We all know that IIS is faster than Apache don't we ;P
NT has proven to be faster than Linux with SMP, and it also works very well with TB databases thank you :P
Why not put coils of wires around them? These things spin quite a lot right? Certainly it'll make more energy than typing. ;).
Hell, disk drive plates are already magnetic
Floppy and Zip drives could harness energy when you add and remove disks.
Putting tiny solar panels over the little leds on the keyboards and monitors would help too.
Every bit counts!
On a more serious note. What about microwave energy? There's already enuff of it around now days, why not transmit energy to mobile devices? Anyone got a working Tesla coil?
I like the idea of having caps if you hit the keys harder. It's a damned cool idea, as soon as you get used to it, and stop habitually using the shift key, it would it would work :). :\.
It might slow typing down somewhat tho
I'm going to be pretty quick cause I don't think you understood my intention.
:P
An NT solution *could* and most likely will get into 6 figures with your arrangement, but this is oppsed to the 7 figures of traditional Unix solutions. If you get it from someone like IBM you can get 99.99% type assurance etc etc.
I don't think that everyone should run around (and they have been for years) yelling Linux is better! Linux is faster! Linux is better designed! Linux is based on 30years of good computing (unlike NT which didn't learn from Unix) - oh but Linux isn't Unix - it's better.
NT is good for many solutions, as is Unix. Linux however is still immature, and I don't like the programming model. Too unset.
And I've lost more than a *wee* bit of data with Linux - which is why I wouldn't use Linux for a data or file server. Try letting linux play with the harddisk and then turning the machine off and on a couple of times. Eventually, Linux won't be able to boot, and you'll have to do a manual fsck, which sometimes doesn't work.
Windows NT/2000 doesn't mind it at all.
And Microsoft has BILLIONS, but they don't spend ALL of that on Windows. Most of it goes into theory and experiemental research. I'm glad someone is spending that kind of money on that sort of stuff these days.
Microsoft has billions. Microsoft spends all those billions developing Windows. That doesn't make sense.
As for that problem with the PPC, bad luck, but it looks like a problem with Pocket Streets rather than WinCE. Software crashes usually aren't OS related. Windows terminates applications that start to do bad things.
Ok, so i wasn't that brief
I'm sorry, but you have to be more specific. What exactly about the win32 api is "shit" to you?
Poorly documented? Hrm, get a copy of the MSDN cds, go out and buy a book on the Win32APIs or goto msdn.microsoft.com and read, or ask questions.
It's the most complete API I've used.
Uh "ok, sure, you're smart".
Think about it. Who makes Microsoft software? Microsoft the company or Microsoft engineers? All Microsoft employees are collegde grads, many of Microsoft's researchers are Phds.
You think a 20something sitting in a basement could do and think up things better? I've NEVER NEVER seen anything original come out of Linux. Eventually, with a lot of wasted effort, Linux hackers will reinvent Unix - a bloated Unix.
When MS want to make something, they spend a lot of time planning how the APIs etc should be arragned, rather than just hacking it just do it works. If you're a programmer, you'll understand how you can just DO IT to make it work for you, or DO IT the longer way and make it easy to maintain.
With the release of Windows 2000 (RC1 is out, and Beta3 is public) you'll realise that Windows NT is ahead of Linux in so many areas. Microsoft does what it does for profit, but also cause Gates has a fascination that many of us share for "cool" technology stuff - why do you think he's got a house built on computers?
Windows 2000 already supports 32 processors, 64GB memory, has a solid and proven distributed application foundation, and is very fast comapred to Linux on mid-high end computers. Sure, Linux can run on old 386 machines, but as long as you give Windows that 'initial' helping of resources, it goes up from there.
Remember, until Linux came along, MS were basically the cheapest solution compared to "the others (sun etc)" who were charging an arm and a leg. Now Microsoft comes along with something with the potential to match Unix, and everyone bashes MS for price??
Doesn't resemble LCARS in anyway here.
I don't see why you're bothering to say that. You're implying more API commands should make an OS faster? It could make applications faster if they utilize the APIs properly (eg. good use of multithreading).
However, more APIs == easier to program complicated applications.
You could have an OS that had almost none and do everything yourself - and then claim that it's better cause it has like 5 API calls, and the rest is up to you to do manually.
I have a K6-200, got 192MB ram (but had 64) and Word/Excel etc load basically as fast as IE5. eg. less than a second.
The first time you load it, it might take about 2 seconds, but subsequent loads will take less than a second.
And Word is pluginable (It's called COM/ActiveX)- and it is. It doesn't load up modules (spell checker, macro engine etc) until it's used for the first time per session.
Windows 2000 Doesn't cost $2000, it's the same price as NT...unless you mean the advanced and cluster servers - in which case you get SMP that works and actually improves performance. .doc comaptable products are Unix and Linux. The reason i still use windows is - it has a more evolved Multimedia and Gaming API - it supports more hardware - it's got better software - it's easy to get work done and not piss around with fixing other people's source - it has a more consistant UI, and much much more evoled GUI. It's fast and stable (Windows 2000) on my hardware (not a 386).
Windows 2000 pushes mostly standards now, TCP/IP, DNS, LDAP, SNMP etc.
Office 2000 uses fully compliant xml, and the document formats are the same as Office 97. Since noone can complain about the fact that Office breaks compatablity, I guess they'll take the oppurtunity to attack Office 2000 from the other side and point out the same file format indicates Office 2000 is no improvement and not worth it - it would be typical of a slashdotizen.
And there are "word" like and
I'm using Linux simply for a network gateway at home these days, i do development on Windows, for Linux at work.
office already saves as xml. pity IE is the onlybrowser to fully support xml.
Mindcraft do a test that shows NT beats Linux. The Linux community cries fowl. ZDNet offer to do the test again, this time with both MS and Redhat/Linux guys there. The Linux community cries fowl.
Some guys go and do the test them selves to show Linux is better, without Microsoft present. Linux community cries WHAT A WONDERFUL benchmark. Perfectly done, and oh, look, Linux won.