/. is probably the reason I DON'T get anything done during the day =). I was somewhat responding to "teaching computers that they make mistakes." But if you were going to do that, they would have to evaluate whether what they do is make mistakes or not, they would begin to evaluate their purpose. If they are instructed to make mistakes ("You are a computer, you make mistakes." The man told the computer) and they "learn" that they make mistakes, would it not follow that they start making mistakes intentionally? I mean they've been told to make mistakes, in essence they are fulfilling their purpose, which gets me into the whole original sin argument ---- THIS IS WHY I NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE!!!!!
[HAL] The only mistakes a computer makes is due to human error [/HAL]
I don't think computers are capable of making mistakes, because they are incapapble of thinking, they can process and store but this does not entail thought. Define for me thought.
Thought -- 1. to have a conscious mind, to some extent of reasoning, remembering experiences, making rational decisions, etc. 2. to employ one's mind rationally and objectively in evaluating or dealing with a given situation
I guess what we're looking for in thought is self-awareness. My computer science teacher once said to me that a computer is basically on the same level of intelligence as a cockroach. It evaluates in positive and negatives, 1s and 0s
Please feel free to blow me out of the water here =)
This stuff gets so mindboggligly far from normal materials, a non-expert like me has absolutely no chance of understanding what this could be used for. One of the links mentioned exploring quantum phenomena that would otherwise be impossible to experiment with - would that be the main use for this, um, stuff?
You post reminded me of Col. Jack O'Neill of SG-1 =).
I wouldn't mind having a blaster or a lightsaber, maybe a zat gun for my employer =)
The Adam Sandler movie about the universal remote control, it's like any new computer/OS oh that's cool it can do these things. Wait! Stop doing that! STOP IT! DON'T! NOOOOO! I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT!
When Computers stop taking orders well if anyone has seen the animatrix or iRobot you catch my drift.
People are alway saying to me 'If you quit smoking you get your sense of smell back,' 'I live in New York city I don't want my fuckin sense of smell back.' '*SNIFFS* Is that urine!? Honey I think I smell a dead fellah!'
My only question is, how is this any different from regular advertising. Because of freedom of speech, all's fair in love and advertising.
Take for instance the Michael J. Fox political ad. It was extremely pointed and misleading, but there was no problem running it on television, you're paying your "friends" in the media world to publish something in circulation, what's the difference in paying some private individual, who now thanks to the internet has a wide range of available free speech options, to do the same.
Do you trust everything you read on the internet? Why or why not? Same thing goes toward every advertisement or piece of advice that you get from someone. I don't TRULY know if product A works better than product B, but because I'm friends with the creator of product A I'll tell everyone how great it is if they ask. If I was getting paid, I would tell people even more vehemently.
Advertisers are in the business of making things look better than they really are, to create some sort of value in the minds of consumers without directly saying "value" (which is a no-no). And if I spend my company's ad dollars on getting either my employees or others to do peer-to-peer advertising as it were, again how is that different from spending it on radio/television/newspaper/magazine/internet. What about game reviews in magazine, do you think the company has a vested interest in how they are seen? Are they going to continue to advertise with a magazine that continues to give them bad reviews? Or are the reviews in the magazine lop-sided so as to encourage ad-revenue?
The last thing we need is more interference, it is in direct opposition of freedom. If you can be bought, why do you care? You can't make people play nice, it's still a choice =).
Man I hope they televise this event, I dunno how many entries they will allow but it would be a real life version of Carmageddon (the smashing into stuff part, hopefully not the blood and guts) I would pay for PPV =) (if I had cable or dish)
I hear ya!
I work in Post house (and could probably use up our bandwidth allowance for the month if I/.ed it. But if we could keep all the footage on the HDs after the project was done we would run into the need for the Terabytes of storage. As it is now, unless someone is a regular client we just keep the reference data and wipe the capture scratch, but with batch capturing and a fancy DV deck, if you do need the footage it'll be there, and it'll just take a little bit of time to upload it.
What I would like to know is about the routines that you wrote for your employer. Did your employer commission you to write these programs? Did he pay you specifically to write tools or did he pay you to maintain systems already in place. What it sounds like to me is that you made your own tools to make your job easier, and if they are your tools - well "Do what thou wilt."? Or am I thinking incorrectly here?
There's a couple of religions in the ad industry that say "Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public". I'm in the industry and I disagree with that. People will spend millions of dollars trying to come up with 30 seconds of audio/visual information that will surprise the publics mind into paying attention, without necessarily offering substance. I agree with you that commercials should not appeal to the lowest common denominator, that's a way of appealing to the largest market that will not even make a decision about your product. You may find the mac commercials insulting, but most people do not need a computer. Apple is just trying to sell their product to people who don't have time to learn about computers and want it done for them. Mostly people don't need computers with the exception of e-mail. Put everyone at home with a 486 that runs a DOS e-mail program and that would be the extent of their need. Just my 2 cents.
why does congress have to pass a dog gamn law so that I can take a shit! The entertainment industry backed itself into a corner here. They spend more on lawyers than they do on lost business. If the data that contains the movie is easily duplicatable (film for every theatre in the country didn't used to be) I'm sorry you ever pushed the technology. Not our fault you gave us the keys to bits and bytes that make us laugh and cry. I mean how many people are going to go home and make an integrated circuit board so they can duplicate your stuff? No much cheaper to buy one. This is the scary part of this whole thing, we as a community of users cannot let congress continue to make laws about everything on the net, I didn't realize they had passed as much legislation as they had, and they no nothing of what they sign off on. I'm being a little slippery slope hear, sorry.
Microsoft is in the "software" business, and they're getting pissed because of the spread of opensource. Neal Stephenson has an interesting essay on the subject of command line interface, linux, and what Gates and Jobs have spent their efforts doing in the computing world. Microsoft knows that it can no longer compete with a "collective" greater than their own, except in the capital arena. If we would like for computers to become less popular and for hardware prices to go up (because capitalism has certainly been driving many hardware advances) then we could just bankrupt Microsoft by creating an infinite number of distros =). Someone commented earlier on the smart pill that Ballmer has to take in the morning to just get by, and I think he's right, Microsoft may not lose their OS users and people who default to their software, but they can't just throw money at linux and make it go away. Sad to say, Microsoft is good for the little guy, even if their software is buggy and expensive. Who wants cheaper faster more reliable hardware?! raise your hand! Then we can all go frolic and fret and flee to LinuxLand.
I hear a themepark!
Your right the American's won't get it. Because I thought Neville Chamberlain was in politics during World War II, guess that shows how EFFECTIVE our education is over here. I don't think we'll ever be more than those ignorant farm boys sometimes, which says a lot about what is happening in this current MS/Novell. History repeats itself because we fail to learn from history. Or at least we fail to learn from history because it's taught by (american) football coaches.
Because they believe more firmly that it will work. The other side is, well, conservative. They remain skeptical that the net has as much influence as its most starry-eyed dreamers say it has. They figure their time, money and effort is better put into old-fashioned politicking, e.g. local get-out-the-vote organizations, having people call their neighbors, or walk over and knock on doors come election day, or having the candidate over to the church after Sunday pancakes to talk, et cetera and so forth.
Soon enough we'll know who was right.
At first when I read this I was struck with a Eureka moment, or maybe a moment of revelation or maybe it was disbelief. My opinion was that people are going to vote on the issues when it comes time, and that is still partly true, but because no candidate is clean and pure as the wind driven snow, it really comes down to advertising. How effective is your advertising at getting your party out to vote? Everyone in their heart and minds pretty much knows how they are going to vote already, advertising however is for the sole purpose of reminding your party when election day is. Not to convince moderates since the only moderates are on this website and even then that's only 100 of you or so. I heard a story of a campaign that was done in which the purpose was to disinform people of what day the election was in order to keep people from showing up.
This google bombing advertising is probably not going to have the effect they are hoping for, it's merely another smear campaign done in a relatively new way. Which stirs in me these question.
What would happen to the number of people voting if there was no money spent on advertising?
Have we become so numbed to it that it really doesn't do anything for us?
How much time and money are we wasting on getting elected whenever they don't do anything except try and stay in office as long as possible?
This is pretty much a bipartisan society, the only people without allegience are the elected officials =)
I think if the crowd that loves downloading stupid little software would switch to Macintosh for a few years they'd realize they don't need to download as much. That and the unavailability of so much of the Windows written software. I mean it's a moot point by now because it has been made, but what more do you need than Internet Browser, Mail App, and IM app, if you're going to be online. I'm looking at this Mac that I'm working on and it STILL has way to much sh!t on it. Other than professional applications and their packages (Maya, Adobe, Final Cut) I use Safari, Mail, iTunes, and Calculator with the rare case of iPhoto. I mean what more do you need really. OH I did forget a word processor...
Now before you mark me down give me Kudos for not posting AC
The only real problem I have with Windows and Microsoft is that they have made going to market with a product that is half broken an acceptable practice. If other hardcore capitalists could do this they would. I bet a lot of them are very jealous of MS. I understand wanting to make a profit, but isn't it more important to break through to new horizons whether in computing, or science, or mathematics.
My point is that if you have Microsoft managers teaching these kids at probably THE most important stage in their education, are they going to take the lead from their teachers and not expect anyone to hold them accountable for their work?
BUT then again ever an optimist, they did build this really cool school in a poorer district, so these kids might actually stay in school long enough to get an education.
I was on a flight to Kuwait deploying with my unit. We were waiting to fly out of Ft. Campbell and these guys are running around telling us we have to pack our Gerbers, Folding knives, and lighters in our stow bags and that they cannot be on your person or in your carry on.
All of our guns though - no problem. We didn't even take out the bolts.
I understand that a military flight vs a civilian flight is totally different, but c'mon. You let me bring my GUN on the plane?
I would like to thank you for the hearty laugh! I don't mind the erosion of my civil rights just so long as whenever this war on terror is over (if it is not carried on into perpetuity or beyond armegeddon) my civil rights are restored and these restrictions (that seem to be growing larger than the tax code) are repealed.
Okay let's see, sales taxes on the video game, taxes on your DSL lines and phone lines, cable taxes, court costs, legal fees, publicity, senators wasting their time in office which we are paying them to come up with legislation for the good of our country, the ESRB another fat bureaucracy. And then all to come to what conclusion boys and girls?! OH no penalty, and a restating of a law. I may have read it wrong but it sounds as though absolutley nothing came of this but a bunch of wasted tax money. So now we can all thank the Government for keeping us safe! Thanks Your Royal Highness Clinton
Seeing all this developer software opened makes me wish I hadn't played so many video games in my first year of college and really applied myself to CS, I figured I wasn't cut out to be a programmer. Good logic, just bad language and syntax skills. Cause programming in say C# or Java is learning a second language. That I I cold never think of an app to write cause everything had been written. But obviously not.
This anonomous coward must be a windows os. You ask it for something one way, think's he can do it better, then he crashes his @$$ into the mountain like John Denver. This is an IT site, not encylcopeadia britannica or dictionary.com for that matter. So what if the english is a little bad or the spelling is wrong. If it doesn't change the context of what the person is actually saying and it get's the message across . . . Alriiiight!
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/. is probably the reason I DON'T get anything done during the day =). I was somewhat responding to "teaching computers that they make mistakes." But if you were going to do that, they would have to evaluate whether what they do is make mistakes or not, they would begin to evaluate their purpose. If they are instructed to make mistakes ("You are a computer, you make mistakes." The man told the computer) and they "learn" that they make mistakes, would it not follow that they start making mistakes intentionally? I mean they've been told to make mistakes, in essence they are fulfilling their purpose, which gets me into the whole original sin argument ---- THIS IS WHY I NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE!!!!!
[HAL] The only mistakes a computer makes is due to human error [/HAL]
I don't think computers are capable of making mistakes, because they are incapapble of thinking, they can process and store but this does not entail thought. Define for me thought.
Thought -- 1. to have a conscious mind, to some extent of reasoning, remembering experiences, making rational decisions, etc.
2. to employ one's mind rationally and objectively in evaluating or dealing with a given situation
I guess what we're looking for in thought is self-awareness. My computer science teacher once said to me that a computer is basically on the same level of intelligence as a cockroach. It evaluates in positive and negatives, 1s and 0s
Please feel free to blow me out of the water here =)
Begun, the clone wares have.
The Adam Sandler movie about the universal remote control, it's like any new computer/OS oh that's cool it can do these things.
Wait! Stop doing that! STOP IT! DON'T! NOOOOO! I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT!
When Computers stop taking orders well if anyone has seen the animatrix or iRobot you catch my drift.
That makes me cry a little, maybe that's why I feel myself dying inside a little more everyday.
My only question is, how is this any different from regular advertising. Because of freedom of speech, all's fair in love and advertising.
Take for instance the Michael J. Fox political ad. It was extremely pointed and misleading, but there was no problem running it on television, you're paying your "friends" in the media world to publish something in circulation, what's the difference in paying some private individual, who now thanks to the internet has a wide range of available free speech options, to do the same.
Do you trust everything you read on the internet? Why or why not? Same thing goes toward every advertisement or piece of advice that you get from someone. I don't TRULY know if product A works better than product B, but because I'm friends with the creator of product A I'll tell everyone how great it is if they ask. If I was getting paid, I would tell people even more vehemently.
Advertisers are in the business of making things look better than they really are, to create some sort of value in the minds of consumers without directly saying "value" (which is a no-no). And if I spend my company's ad dollars on getting either my employees or others to do peer-to-peer advertising as it were, again how is that different from spending it on radio/television/newspaper/magazine/internet. What about game reviews in magazine, do you think the company has a vested interest in how they are seen? Are they going to continue to advertise with a magazine that continues to give them bad reviews? Or are the reviews in the magazine lop-sided so as to encourage ad-revenue?
The last thing we need is more interference, it is in direct opposition of freedom. If you can be bought, why do you care? You can't make people play nice, it's still a choice =).
Man I hope they televise this event, I dunno how many entries they will allow but it would be a real life version of Carmageddon (the smashing into stuff part, hopefully not the blood and guts) I would pay for PPV =) (if I had cable or dish)
I hear ya! I work in Post house (and could probably use up our bandwidth allowance for the month if I /.ed it. But if we could keep all the footage on the HDs after the project was done we would run into the need for the Terabytes of storage. As it is now, unless someone is a regular client we just keep the reference data and wipe the capture scratch, but with batch capturing and a fancy DV deck, if you do need the footage it'll be there, and it'll just take a little bit of time to upload it.
- It's funny to think that the Big Bang happened what 5 billion years ago or something like that and before that what?
- Likewise God Created the heavens and the earth 6,000 years ago. . .
- Likewise I was created 24 years ago and I've never experienced anything before that!
There's a saying in Algebra, as x approaches infinity y approaches 0 or maybe that's tangents in Geometry or maybe I'm off my rocker!I think Einstein was on to something with that relativity thing.
What I would like to know is about the routines that you wrote for your employer. Did your employer commission you to write these programs? Did he pay you specifically to write tools or did he pay you to maintain systems already in place. What it sounds like to me is that you made your own tools to make your job easier, and if they are your tools - well "Do what thou wilt."? Or am I thinking incorrectly here?
There's a couple of religions in the ad industry that say "Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public". I'm in the industry and I disagree with that. People will spend millions of dollars trying to come up with 30 seconds of audio/visual information that will surprise the publics mind into paying attention, without necessarily offering substance. I agree with you that commercials should not appeal to the lowest common denominator, that's a way of appealing to the largest market that will not even make a decision about your product. You may find the mac commercials insulting, but most people do not need a computer. Apple is just trying to sell their product to people who don't have time to learn about computers and want it done for them. Mostly people don't need computers with the exception of e-mail. Put everyone at home with a 486 that runs a DOS e-mail program and that would be the extent of their need.
Just my 2 cents.
why does congress have to pass a dog gamn law so that I can take a shit! The entertainment industry backed itself into a corner here. They spend more on lawyers than they do on lost business. If the data that contains the movie is easily duplicatable (film for every theatre in the country didn't used to be) I'm sorry you ever pushed the technology. Not our fault you gave us the keys to bits and bytes that make us laugh and cry. I mean how many people are going to go home and make an integrated circuit board so they can duplicate your stuff? No much cheaper to buy one. This is the scary part of this whole thing, we as a community of users cannot let congress continue to make laws about everything on the net, I didn't realize they had passed as much legislation as they had, and they no nothing of what they sign off on. I'm being a little slippery slope hear, sorry.
Microsoft is in the "software" business, and they're getting pissed because of the spread of opensource. Neal Stephenson has an interesting essay on the subject of command line interface, linux, and what Gates and Jobs have spent their efforts doing in the computing world. Microsoft knows that it can no longer compete with a "collective" greater than their own, except in the capital arena. If we would like for computers to become less popular and for hardware prices to go up (because capitalism has certainly been driving many hardware advances) then we could just bankrupt Microsoft by creating an infinite number of distros =). Someone commented earlier on the smart pill that Ballmer has to take in the morning to just get by, and I think he's right, Microsoft may not lose their OS users and people who default to their software, but they can't just throw money at linux and make it go away. Sad to say, Microsoft is good for the little guy, even if their software is buggy and expensive. Who wants cheaper faster more reliable hardware?! raise your hand! Then we can all go frolic and fret and flee to LinuxLand. I hear a themepark!
Your right the American's won't get it. Because I thought Neville Chamberlain was in politics during World War II, guess that shows how EFFECTIVE our education is over here. I don't think we'll ever be more than those ignorant farm boys sometimes, which says a lot about what is happening in this current MS/Novell. History repeats itself because we fail to learn from history. Or at least we fail to learn from history because it's taught by (american) football coaches.
If you code it . . . they will come . . . If you code it . . . they will come . . .
This google bombing advertising is probably not going to have the effect they are hoping for, it's merely another smear campaign done in a relatively new way. Which stirs in me these question.
This is pretty much a bipartisan society, the only people without allegience are the elected officials =)
I think if the crowd that loves downloading stupid little software would switch to Macintosh for a few years they'd realize they don't need to download as much. That and the unavailability of so much of the Windows written software. I mean it's a moot point by now because it has been made, but what more do you need than Internet Browser, Mail App, and IM app, if you're going to be online. I'm looking at this Mac that I'm working on and it STILL has way to much sh!t on it. Other than professional applications and their packages (Maya, Adobe, Final Cut) I use Safari, Mail, iTunes, and Calculator with the rare case of iPhoto. I mean what more do you need really. OH I did forget a word processor...
Now before you mark me down give me Kudos for not posting AC
The only real problem I have with Windows and Microsoft is that they have made going to market with a product that is half broken an acceptable practice. If other hardcore capitalists could do this they would. I bet a lot of them are very jealous of MS. I understand wanting to make a profit, but isn't it more important to break through to new horizons whether in computing, or science, or mathematics.
My point is that if you have Microsoft managers teaching these kids at probably THE most important stage in their education, are they going to take the lead from their teachers and not expect anyone to hold them accountable for their work?
BUT then again ever an optimist, they did build this really cool school in a poorer district, so these kids might actually stay in school long enough to get an education.
I would like to thank you for the hearty laugh!
I don't mind the erosion of my civil rights just so long as whenever this war on terror is over (if it is not carried on into perpetuity or beyond armegeddon) my civil rights are restored and these restrictions (that seem to be growing larger than the tax code) are repealed.
Okay let's see, sales taxes on the video game, taxes on your DSL lines and phone lines, cable taxes, court costs, legal fees, publicity, senators wasting their time in office which we are paying them to come up with legislation for the good of our country, the ESRB another fat bureaucracy. And then all to come to what conclusion boys and girls?! OH no penalty, and a restating of a law. I may have read it wrong but it sounds as though absolutley nothing came of this but a bunch of wasted tax money. So now we can all thank the Government for keeping us safe! Thanks Your Royal Highness Clinton
Seeing all this developer software opened makes me wish I hadn't played so many video games in my first year of college and really applied myself to CS, I figured I wasn't cut out to be a programmer. Good logic, just bad language and syntax skills. Cause programming in say C# or Java is learning a second language. That I I cold never think of an app to write cause everything had been written. But obviously not.
This anonomous coward must be a windows os. You ask it for something one way, think's he can do it better, then he crashes his @$$ into the mountain like John Denver. This is an IT site, not encylcopeadia britannica or dictionary.com for that matter. So what if the english is a little bad or the spelling is wrong. If it doesn't change the context of what the person is actually saying and it get's the message across . . . Alriiiight!