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How Do I Filter Phone Calls on a Land Line?

An anonymous reader asks: "I have a telephone on a plain old land-line, with the option of subscribing to caller-id. I would like to filter incoming phone calls, diverting them to either the handset or answering machine, based on whether the caller-id matches a list of trusted phone numbers. Considering that many of today's land-line telephone handsets can display caller-id and store a list of favourite phone numbers, I don't think this is technologically difficult. AI am not interested in: subscribing to a service provided by my telephone company. I would prefer the filtering occurred on my side of the phone line, or implementing a software solution on my PC. Frankly, that is overkill, and I don't want my PC turned on permanently. I would prefer something like a small, solid-state hardware device. Is there any such thing available?"

181 comments

  1. There is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I beleive it's called a "wife". However, it's very very hard to pick these things up at a hardware store, and you can't get them off the internet (or at least the internet versions don't handle english language filtering all that well). I'd suggest that looking for more information on wives from slashdot is probably a waste of time.

    1. Re:There is by MarkGriz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even if you were to obtain a "wife", they are notoriously difficult to program, and periodically
      exhibit erratic behavior that is difficult to diagnose.

      I believe the "Asterisk" solution suggested earlier would be less troublesome, and far less costly to operate.

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    2. Re:There is by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Funny
      I beleive it's called a "wife".
      I've seen some reports that would indicate that the TCO of many "wife" implementations is rather high. Vendors are often willing to subsidize the rollout, but pretty much leave you on your own after that in terms of maintainence. Not to mention that once you contract, it can be notoriously difficult to bring in outside consultants down the road.
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    3. Re:There is by darthnoodles · · Score: 4, Funny
      periodically
      Well played pun.

      It was meant to be a pun right? Right?

    4. Re:There is by sciencecneisc · · Score: 1

      Haha. By "Vendors are often willing to subsidize the rollout" though do you mean the girl's parents are the vendors or the woman herself makes it easy?

    5. Re:There is by NarcolepticTerrorPoo · · Score: 1

      Use Asterix and configure it to require and extension which would route the call thru to your phone otherwise it gets routed to voice mail.

      That way people you want to talk to can call you from phones other than their main ones (such as payphones, new phones, their friends, police stations, etc).

    6. Re:There is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it means that the girl's parents traditionally pay for the wedding. (At least in the US; this may vary by locale...)

    7. Re:There is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have purchased two different versions of this particular piece of "add on" hardware, I'd avoid them as simply too costly a solution!

  2. Re:Asterisk by kahanamoku · · Score: 1

    Uhh... RTFP

    I am not interested in: ...SNIP... implementing a software solution on my PC. Frankly, that is overkill, and I don't want my PC turned on permanently.

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  3. The same way everyone else does by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An answering machine. Don't answer till you know who it is, and if they don't leave a message you probably didn't want to talk to them anyway.

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    1. Re:The same way everyone else does by maelstrom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A wise man once said as simple as possible and no simpler. I like this solution :)

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    2. Re:The same way everyone else does by Alien+Being · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not quite right. I think the real question is which answering machine has the ability to ring or not-ring based on caller-id info. I wish my own answerer could do that. It should have these options to control whether the phone rings:

      Ring/don't ring for blacklisted callers
      Ring/don't ring for whitelisted callers
      Ring/don't ring for new but identified callers
      Ring/don't ring for unidentified callers

      It should have similar modes controlling whether or not the machine will accept a voice message. That should all be simple to implement in a device that connects like a regular phone (in parallel). When reviewing the incoming calls, it should be a one-touch operation to specify how the machine should handle future calls of the same type.

      The super-duper version should have the ability to sit between the phone line and other devices (series) and use a speech synthesizer and recognizer (or dtmf decoder) to allow control from regular phones throughout the house. e.g. A call comes in, the phones give a single short ring as the machine announces itself to the caller. If a person picks up a phone, the machine tells him whatever it knows about the call and asks whether to hangup, connect, or take a message.

    3. Re:The same way everyone else does by reason · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hate that. I hate talking to answering machines and usually won't leave a message unless I have already tried calling several times with no answer and have no other way to contact the person. If you do that you are telling me that your time is more important than mine - I have to talk to a machine so you don't have to risk hearing from someone you don't want to talk to. If it's a temporary thing while you change your phone number after being harassed, that's one thing. As a permenant solution, it's quite another.

    4. Re:The same way everyone else does by LordNightwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Hi, it's Mike. I'm not in, so leave your message after the beep" costs you less 5 seconds of your life. If the answering machine is set to pick up immediately, it will even *save* you time, because the machine will have picked up before I have the time to walk over to the phone and pick it up manually.

      On the other hand, you might be that pesky asshole I don't really want to talk to. You know, the one that won't shut up, the one I can't possibly end a phonecall with in less than 20 minutes without being rude.

      So let's do the math again:

      • You call me, leave a message after the beep. You lose: 30 seconds total, 45 tops.
      • You call, I pick up, you're the talkative asshole. I lose: at least 5 minutes, possibly half an hour or more.
      My time doesn't have to be more important than yours to justify my screening of the calls; I stand to lose more time than you by picking up the phone. You can whine about it all you want, that won't change the facts.

      Besides, my time might very well be more important than yours, and probably is. Remember that you're the one picking the time of the call, not me. You time the call to coincide with a moment you're not doing anything important anyway, unless it's an emergency call. Chances are I'm actually in the middle of something. Are you trying to tell me that whatever it is you want to tell me is more important than anything I might be doing at that time?

      If whatever you want to tell me is important enough to interrupt my shedule for, it's important enough to leave a message for. If you can't be bothered to interface with a machine for 20 seconds to help me manage my time, I can't be bothered to interrupt my shedule to talk to you.

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    5. Re:The same way everyone else does by jamesh · · Score: 1

      If i ever called someone who did this, I would say "James here, call me back, bye" really quickly before they could pick up the phone. And then when they did, i'd let it go to my answering machine and call them back again and do the same thing.

      But only if it was raining outside and I had nothing else to do :)

    6. Re:The same way everyone else does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get out much do you, o superior being ?

    7. Re:The same way everyone else does by eam · · Score: 1

      > I hate talking to answering machines and usually won't leave a message
      > unless I have already tried calling several times with no answer and have
      > no other way to contact the person.

      > If you do that you are telling me that your time is more important than mine.

      Great! I was worried that you didn't understand.

    8. Re:The same way everyone else does by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Oh, that doesn't account for some of the terrible voicemail systems offered by phone providers. Some of it goes on for 1 minute, asking you to key in numbers to leave a message, or you can type in your phone number so, they don't have to actually redial it. It's a real pain. I just want to leave a message. As a side note, if you don't want to leave a message, there's always the double ring, right before the answering machine picks up. Usually when the double ring hits, if I don't want to leave a message, then I hang up.

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    9. Re:The same way everyone else does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, you might be that pesky asshole I don't really want to talk to. You know, the one that won't shut up, the one I can't possibly end a phonecall with in less than 20 minutes without being rude.

      Somehow, I think that doesn't come off as being much of a concern for you. But then again, reading this post was probably a waste of your time too.

    10. Re:The same way everyone else does by splante · · Score: 1

      There is a Tivo hack that allows it to listen for caller ID and display it on your TV as you're watching a show, so you can decide to pause and pick it up, or let it go.

    11. Re:The same way everyone else does by epine · · Score: 1

      If you do that you are telling me that your time is more important than mine - I have to talk to a machine so you don't have to risk hearing from someone you don't want to talk to.

      Is that a troll? Yes, I'm fairly certain it is. It doesn't send any such message. The phone company paid a lot of money back when the phone system was first established to drill into the public that ignoring a ringing phone under any circumstance (such as already having visitors) was unspeakably rude. This attitude seems to linger in the water supply. It was never the case before the phone was invented that you could expect to interrupt another person on ten seconds worth of effort (pressing speed-dial) at any point in time you felt like it, with not even any idea what situation the interrupted person was in. I think your presumptions about what it signifies about you when other people attempt to manage those interruptions is downright obnoxious.

    12. Re:The same way everyone else does by Yakko · · Score: 1

      Remember, whoever you call may actually feel they own the phone, as opposed to their phone owning them. It's their choice as to how they want to treat calls at any given time. I'm basically asking to intrude when I call someone, after all...

      The same principles apply when dealing with people ringing my doorbell.

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    13. Re:The same way everyone else does by chris234 · · Score: 1

      > If you do that you are telling me that your time is more important than mine - I have to talk to a machine so you don't have to risk hearing from someone you don't want to talk to.

      Basically, yes. Remember that as the caller, you're the one causing an interruption. Now maybe you're a good friend of the person you're calling, and the interruption will be more than welcome, but that's for the person you're calling to decide. Otherwise, you're telling them that your time is more important than theirs, and they should jump when you tell them to.

    14. Re:The same way everyone else does by reason · · Score: 1

      Ignore the ringing phone if you're busy - sure. That's not rude. Just don't insist on me leaving a message - that is rude.

    15. Re:The same way everyone else does by reason · · Score: 1

      How long does it take to say "sorry; I can't talk now. Bye."? Why stay on the line for 20 minutes with someone you don't want to talk to?

      It might only be 30 seconds of my time to listen to your message and wait for the beep, if you've set it up well. It's another 60 seconds for me to leave a coherent message. Longer for me to prepare that message to make sure it *is* coherent if I know I'm going to have to speak to a machine.
      or:
      30 seconds for you to pick up the phone if it is a convenient time and say "sorry; can't talk" if you don't want to talk to me. If it isn't a convenient time, sure, let it go through to the machine. If it's important enough that it can't wait for a more convenient time, I will leave a message.

    16. Re:The same way everyone else does by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      You're the one who's interrupting my life by calling. If you don't want to talk to me that much, don't call. Send an email or something (or don't).

    17. Re:The same way everyone else does by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1
      You said:
      I hate talking to answering machines and usually won't leave a message unless I have already tried calling several times with no answer and have no other way to contact the person.

      It's a little hard to ignore the phone when it's ringing incessantly.

    18. Re:The same way everyone else does by richy+freeway · · Score: 1
      What are you, retarded?

      Why does it take so long for you to leave a message? Are you really THAT thrown off track by an answering machine?

    19. Re:The same way everyone else does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to tell me that whatever it is you want to tell me is more important than anything I might be doing at that time?

      Hell no. The moment the call gets redirected to the answering machine I'll decide that your time is more important than mine and quit bothering you.
      Nevermind those tickets anyway.

    20. Re:The same way everyone else does by LordNightwalker · · Score: 1

      Seeing as how I'm the one selling the tickets, I doubt it's that much of a concern to me.

      Yes, I'm actually in the online ticket sales business. ;)

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    21. Re:The same way everyone else does by reason · · Score: 1

      If I called several times, it would most likely be over the course of several days.

    22. Re:The same way everyone else does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. You want one of these. by Trialpha · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:You want one of these. by Kymermosst · · Score: 2

      Nice. Even I want one of those, and I don't even have a land line!

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    2. Re:You want one of these. by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 1

      Wow. I don't think I have ever seen an AskSlashdot question more completely and totally answered than your response. Bravo.

    3. Re:You want one of these. by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      1. Block anonymous and unidentified numbers, while allowing all others;
      2. Block up to 175 numbers, area codes or prefixes
      For 100 bucks, that's a bargain, considering that the phone company will charge you separate monthly fees for the ability to do either of those things. (Not including blocking by area codes or prefixes, since they don't offer that AFAIK)

      If you need/want those services, that box will pay itself off in 2~3 years.

      If it's simple enough, I might get one for my parents.
      They loved the tele-zapper.
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    4. Re:You want one of these. by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Cool idea, but bad user interface.

      It should have five buttons: one button labeled "BAD NUMBER" and a different button labeled "GOOD NUMBER". A scroll up and down button and a "FORGET NUMBER" button would complete everything it needs. No "save", no "select", no "menu", no "timer", no "dialing". It doesn't need time and date (good god, not every device need a fracking clock these days!,) and it doesn't need to be "preprogrammed". It just has to route junk calls to the answering machine, not "manage my caller ID lists."

      Basically, what I'm saying is if my mom needs me to come over and figure it out for her, it's too complex. This is really close to a great product. Simplify the interface and it's a winner.

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    5. Re:You want one of these. by hjf · · Score: 0

      The clock is OK, it auto-sets from the Caller ID data.
      In case you didnt know, a Caller ID packet looks just like when your modem shows it to you:

      DATE = 0518
      TIME = 2230
      NMBR = 4449384

      optional:

      NAME = JOHN DOE

      Nice trick. It eliminates the need of an actual clock in the receiver side, and it makes sure you have the right time all the time (+/- 1 minute because it doesnt have seconds).

    6. Re:You want one of these. by plover · · Score: 1

      Ahh, thanks. My last working modem died a few years after I got cable internet but before I got caller ID, so I never actually got to see the CID data for myself.

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  5. Telephone Hacking for Fun and Proffit by MBCook · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK, you have a couple of options as I see it.

    First would be to set up some kind of PBX. It's a little complex, but it would work. You could use Asterisk (I think that is what it's called) and some hardware (since I think it was designed for VOIP) and do it that way.

    The more fun (in my eyes) and complicated way is to build it yourself. You could do this with a PIC micro-controller (or similar). You could put the little box you would make at the phone entry point of your house. When the phone rings you let the first ring through (so you know someone called). Caller ID is transfered between the 1st and 2nd rings so that is when the MCU picks that up. Based on that, it can power a double pole double throw relay. In the normally closed position the phone signals are routed to your house wiring. When a "bad" caller ID is encountered it simply powers the relay switching the phone line from being connected to the phones to the answering machine. Of course the answering machine could be anywhere if you can isolate it's phone jack from the rest (shouldn't be too hard).

    Now there are a few little things to take into account here. First is that you may want to generate a ring for the answering machine so that it picks up on the 4th ring (or whatever) instead of the 5th because of the "lost ring". Second is that if you automatically send people to the answering machine unless the right caller ID comes across (i.e. the answering machine is in the normally closed position) then you'll need to make sure you have a way to force the relay to switch. You would want this even if you decide to pick up a call from the machine. When the main wiring is disconnected you could monitor the wiring to see if anyone picks up (you'd have to power it probably) and switch the relay if that happens. That way any time you pick up the phone you will always get the dial tone/caller. Having the relay connect you to the phone line in the normally-closed position is an important idea because you want it to be safe and let you use the line during a power outage.

    It'd be a very cool project. You can find bits about how to do it on the web. For example, I once saw something about a guy who built his own TTL PBX. That project (which was rather well documented, as I remember) would be a gold mine for you.

    If you do it, make sure to write it up and post it. I'd love to read it and I'm sure others would too.

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    1. Re:Telephone Hacking for Fun and Proffit by stienman · · Score: 2, Informative

      To lead off, a suitable software/computer prototype can be made with a computer and modem. Most modems can be put into a "report caller ID" mode. Make some simple C software to listen ot the serial port, and control the relay going to the regular phones using the parallel port.

      Once you have a suitable software prototype, use a PIC or AVR to talk to the modem and control the relay. At this point you've got an easy, simple system that does what you want it to do - but you've probably got to update it tediously by reprogramming the micro. Add an LCD and keypad and you can do it by hand.

      Alternately use a Rabbit core module with ethernet and rabbit web ( http://www.rabbit.com/ I work for them) and keep the list up to date over the network. It would also give you quite a bit more power with less work than the PIC or AVR, but it's more expensive. As always one trades fastcheapgood.

      I'd leave the answering machine always connected to the phone line. Block the ring from the other phones until the caller ID is decoded. It gives you one less ring to answer the phone in, but that's a price you may just have to pay.

      -Adam

    2. Re:Telephone Hacking for Fun and Proffit by MBCook · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I like the idea of keeping the phone line connected all the time by default, and it makes some other things easier. That said, I bet you could easily make the circuit to eat that first ring so it doesn't go through to the house wiring. You could eat ALL rings and just re-generate them yourself on the outputs (house and answering machine).

      Heck, you could use a voltage comparison to trigger a disconnect so when the phone rang the line is temporarily disconnect for the duration of the ring signal. The the right sized capacitor to absorb the spike that did get through and a transistor to let you turn that feature on and off (so you can let rings through if you want) would probably do it.

      As for how to get the data on and off, there are a few ways. You can go the program the MCU way, but that's annoying as you mentioned. You can make the MCU take direction form a serial port so you can program some flash memory that holds the list. But the easiest way is that it's not too hard to interface to a SD card or similar. You can buy very simple devices that let you access them with just a serial line or two. Put the list in a text file with a simple format (first line is the number of entries, after that each line is a valid number, sorted to allow for binary search) and you can update it trivially without having to reprogram and such.

      That said, as the parent poster said you could use a Rabbit or some other MCU with easy external access. There are ethernet (often an add on you can buy for another MCU), you could use serial or USB or BlueTooth. Plus there is always the LCD/buttons approach.

      Heck, program it with your phone. Pick up the phone and dial a magic sequence (###) or press a button then pick up the phone and you can do simple button combinations to program it. When in "magic mode" press 1 and then a 10 digit number to add it to the list. Press 2 and then a 10 digit number to remove it from the list. Both are confirmed with a simple tone. Press 3 then a 10 digit number to find out if it is in the list or not (one beep yes, two no). You could add other features later this way too. A simple way to turn on/off the filter for when you are expecting a call but you don't know who it will come from, or you want to go into "silent mode" to watch a movie where EVERYTHING goes to the machine.

      You could do other fun stuff. If someone calls from a blocked number and gets the machine, you can monitor that with the PIC. If you detect they press the magic button sequence (44666, spells "HI MOM") then the PIC generates a ring on your phone. This could be used for emergencies. Then you just pick up and the auto-detect I mentioned earlier connects you and you take over from the machine.

      The only complication I can see is the issue of how to handle call waiting, but you can avoid that just by turning it off.

      I gotta say, the more I write about this the more fun it sounds. Too bad I have no use for it or time to work on it right now.

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    3. Re:Telephone Hacking for Fun and Proffit by austad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Asterisk will do what you want. You can set up rules in your extensions.conf file to filter on the incoming caller id. Send everything unknown to voicemail, and you can create a list of known numbers that will be forwarded to your phone. I'm running it at home now and it rocks.

      If you want an easy way to get started, search for Asterisk@home. It's a distro that just wipes the box clean and installs linux with a fully functioning Asterisk install. About the hardest part of getting it set up is figuring out the concept of contexts and how they work.

      The best part about having your own Asterisk server is that you can use a softphone on your laptop and make and receive calls through your home phoneline from anywhere in the world. I was just in Jamaica and used it to make calls back home for free.

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    4. Re:Telephone Hacking for Fun and Proffit by inKubus · · Score: 1

      While that might be fun, you can get quite a bit of of those features with a "Virtual" PBX or virtual attendant. I know that the poster did not want to pay for such a service, but it's dirt cheap. They have services that work with VOIP or POTS and give you all the possible options of a PBX. You can set up your cell phone as a extension, etc., auto call routing, MMS message the incoming phone number to your mobile, assign business rules to number types, etc.

      Asterisk is really cool but it's overkill for one person. Better to spend the 5 bucks a month for one of those services (just google Virtual Attendant or Virtual PBX) than waste months on Asterisk, unless you want to, I mean.

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    5. Re:Telephone Hacking for Fun and Proffit by BillX · · Score: 1

      Based on that, it can power a double pole double throw relay. In the normally closed position the phone signals are routed to your house wiring. When a "bad" caller ID is encountered...

      Wow. I totally misinterpreted that. It wasn't 'til the next sentence that I found out the "bad" caller wasn't getting 120V house current sent to his handset. :-(

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  6. Build your own! by ResQuad · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well the obvious answer (at least to me) is Asterisk. If you don't want a "computer running all the time" build a small box, well.... tuff. Think Mini-ITX. You can put a small HD in in, and put it in a small case. If its only "diverting" calls it doesn't need much power or storage space at all and wouldn't draw much power (also, if you do it right - it could be all passive cooled).

    Also - I'm sure no one wants to spend _that much time_ setting up Asterisk, so use TrixBox (Formely Asterisk@Home) instead.

    1. Re:Build your own! by huckda · · Score: 1

      Astlinux is what you are looking for...

      astlinux.com ...

      enjoy =)

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    2. Re:Build your own! by bitFlipper · · Score: 1

      The 2006-May issue (#190) of Circuit Cellar magazine has a design article on rolling your own answering machine: ARM-Based Modern Answering Machine. This particular design won first prize in the 2005 Philips ARM Design Contest, and includes caller-ID handling and a web server. Source code and schematics are available.

    3. Re:Build your own! by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      I'm planning something similar, but with my existing server (Dell Latitude C610 laptop, 1.2GHz, 15 watts idle) and an external Zoom FXO/FXS/Ethernet unit. As a bonus, if the power fails (and the UPS dies), the Zoom automatically connects the FXO and FXS together so the house phones can still make and receive calls.

  7. Microsoft MP-900 phone...yes, really by TheCodeFoundry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft released a 900MHz cordless phone back in late 1998 that had all the features you want, plus more. You could create a whitelist in the software and any phone call that wasn't in the whitelist wouldn't even ring the handset, but get diverted straight to voice mail. The phone supported voice dialing, multiple voice mailboxes, personalized rings and greetings based on the Caller-ID number. The software would automatically divert or block Caller-ID blocked incoming phone calls. The software even imported your phonebook from Outlook Express/Outlook.

    Ok, granted, the phone was 900MHz, was quite bulky and the batteries were less than optimal. The one feature that this phone had that none (except PBXs) have had since, was total control of the hardware ringer. Because you had total control of the ringer, features became available (and controllable via software) that would allow you to force select incoming calls straight to voicemail or DND without ever being distracted by the ring. Of course, this product was soon killed and all support for updates to the software quickly killed, too.

    1. Re:Microsoft MP-900 phone...yes, really by Sancho · · Score: 1

      I love 900mhz phones. They don't get interference from Wifi.

    2. Re:Microsoft MP-900 phone...yes, really by blackjackshellac · · Score: 1
      You forgot to mention that it was a piece of crap that Micro$oft silently jsut stopped supporting. Let's just remove the web page and these people will jsut go away. It was the last piece of M$ hardware that I bought, and will remain so. As I recall, I ended up launching it out my front window into an adjacent alley when the shitty software locked up my PC for the last time.

      On the bright side, I formatted my hard disk, and installed linux without the option to dual boot for the last time as well.

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  8. Handset. by jfisherwa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cheap Uniden dual-handset receiver that came free with my SunRocket service has a built-in phonebook, complete with user groups and different ring-tones. Set the default ring-tone to nothing/one quiet beep and put everyone you know into groups with a real ring.

    No PBX, no software and service independent.

  9. read the caller id display? by acvh · · Score: 1

    since the poster wants to divert a "trusted" number to the handset, I assume he/she is there to answer the phone. therefore, reading the display on the phone, or your TV, or your PC, depending on what you plug the phone line into, is a good choice.

  10. Re:Asterisk by Ant+P. · · Score: 1
    Read it yourself.

    I would prefer the filtering occurred on my side of the phone line, or implementing a software solution on my PC.


    If Asterisk is out of the question despite that sentence, perhaps the OP should've used correct English.
  11. Re:Asterisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you weren't such an asshole/idiot, you'd notice that someone else has indicated that such a device does exist: http://www.privacycorps.com/products/?id=20

  12. Re:Asterisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, for $100. That's so much more worth it.

  13. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I own a box that does that. I can't recall the name, but SmartHome.com sells a $100 "Caller ID Manager" that appears to do the same thing.

    I think of it as a firewall for the phone. Mine even does that three-tone "disconnected" tone for egregious fun.

  14. Re:I don't even know how you'd do this on a comput by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    That's fine for receiving the Caller ID- now have you ever seen a modem with TWO outputs that are switchable, so that you can send calls to either a landline phone or the answering machine, without making the landline ring? I've never seen such a modem.

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  15. Re:Asterisk by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Plain English like the next sentence which says

    "Frankly, that is overkill, and I don't want my PC turned on permanently. I would prefer something like a small, solid-state hardware device. Is there any such thing available?"

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  16. You're on the wrong site... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    what kind of nerd are you? You turn your PC off? Get off this site.

  17. Re:Asterisk by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    The summary is the whole article, so I didn't bother reading it. :P

  18. Re:Asterisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sentences conflict. Poster is a lazy moron. People like him are the reason I don't regularly read or post on slashdot anymore (Yes, I have a real account with excellent karma.)

  19. This One? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:This One? by jfisherwa · · Score: 1

      That's the one. The model beneath that, with just two handsets/two base stations and no integrated answering supports calling groups also. Good for when your phone service has voicemail-to-web/email.

  20. Oh comeon, you know the answer.... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hook it up to a Linux box, and..... Yeah, that's all I've got.... It's probably possible though with the right kind of modem hardware and drivers.

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  21. ISDN by jaredmauch · · Score: 2, Funny

    What you want is to convert your home line to ISDN and use an old motorola BitSurfr device. You hand the calls over to the POTS ports on the device, and you can program it with AT commands. I think you can only set a small number of blacklist caller-id, or whitelist caller-id (i think 10) but it will serve as a nice filter. This will do what you want, and they can get dumped or a busy before the phone even rings.

    1. Re:ISDN by MBCook · · Score: 1

      That reminds me. I used to have an ISDN and I had a nice adapter from US Robotics that gave me an ethernet interface to connect my computer to. This made it trivial to share the connection with my house. My service was terrible (and expensive), but the "modem" was nice.

      Now here is the fun part. There was a little utility that US Robotics made that was free. It would sit in your system tray and show you the status of each B channel (data/voice/none). Best of all, the source was available so you could do it yourself. What basically happened is that the device would broadcast it's status happenings on the ethernet. So just by monitoring this (easy with a computer program or even an MCU) you could easily find out who was calling and do all sorts of other fun stuff.

      I wouldn't do it myself. My ISDN line was just WAY to expensive for that to be worth it. I like the solution I posed above (the uber-DIY approach). But if you already had ISDN for some odd reason or it costs about the same as a normal phone line (HA! Not here, maybe in other countries) then you could do that.

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  22. Re:Asterisk by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Yet you quoted from it, and replied only "read it yourself".

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  23. Re:Asterisk by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    No, you just don't know how to read.

    "I am not interested in: subscribing to a service provided by my telephone company. I would prefer the filtering occurred on my side of the phone line, or implementing a software solution on my PC. Frankly, that is overkill, and I don't want my PC turned on permanently. I would prefer something like a small, solid-state hardware device. Is there any such thing available?"

    They are not interested in subscribing to a service. They would prefer it happen on their side of the phone line, or SW on their PC to a telco-side service. But the SW is overkill and they don't want to leave their PC on. They would prefer a little dedicated HW.

    There's nothing contradictory about those sentences. They're just descriptive.

    So, since you also don't use your "real" account to post such drivel, Anonymous incompetent Coward, you don't know how to read or post. Why do you bother doing it at all? People like you are the noise in Slashdot's signal.

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  24. Re:Asterisk by Forge · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is EXACTLY what the poster asked for.

    If it's a little overpriced then maybe you can get your techi friends togather form a startup, get some venture capital and produce a competing product at $50 that would just sweap the market.

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  25. Vgetty by mazarin5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had set up vgetty to answer calls after a number of rings that was based on the caller-id information, but that requires a modem whose voice capabilities are supported on linux. The idea was that 'Unknown Caller', etc. went straight to the voicemail, but everything else was allowed to ring four times. It's a simple and proven method.

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  26. Answering machine by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Our solid state answering machine has the option of diverting calls straight to voicemail based on caller ID, making different ringing tones, and so on. It's years old and no longer on sale, but you'll probably find plenty of others still around that can do the same things. Personally I like sending "caller ID blocked" and "unknown" straight to voice mail...

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  27. What about emergencies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What happens if someone on your whitelist is in some sort of emergency that forces them to use a phone that's not on your whitelist? Do you still want that urgent call that to go to the machine?

    Personally I'd perfer not to ever have to answer unsolicited calls, and I'd also like the option of silencing the ring from certain callers at various times of the day. For example, nothing but "work" should ring my phone before 8am, nothing but "that girl I'm stalking" should ring my phone after 8pm, and absolutely nothing should ring my phone between midnight and 6am, unless a family member needs an immediate blood transfusion or something equally urgent.

    The problem of course is that there isn't an urgent bit in the caller ID signal, and if there were such a bit, you could bet your last nickel that telemarketers would set it for every call, and it would have about as much effect as the boy who cried wolf.

    With todays phone system and level of voice recognition technology, you could probably rig up something to autodetect voices and even determine whether it's a live human or a computer, and you could detect keywords and level of stress in the voice. Your voice system could ask questions of unknown callers. In essence, you could insert an audio CAPTCHA onto your end of the phone line. This is something I've dreamed about for years. :-)

    But again, you have to stop and ask: What would happen in emergencies? Would the person calling on behalf of your injured relative be willing and able to get past the screening process for a chance to talk to you (afterall, you might not even be home...)?

    Idealism aside, I've concluded that right solution for me is to just pick up the phone when it rings. I've learned all the prerecorded telemarketer intros, so I can hang up on those in less than 1/2 a second. Sure, I could save myself some time if I blacklisted those intros, but I also don't have to make my friends wait an extra ring or two when they call me.

    1. Re:What about emergencies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens if someone on your whitelist is in some sort of emergency that forces them to use a phone that's not on your whitelist? Do you still want that urgent call that to go to the machine?

      I think the question you were trying to ask was, "What's the number for 911?"

    2. Re:What about emergencies? by Dr.+Photo · · Score: 1
      What about emergencies?

      Just have your answering machine's message say,

      Hello, you have reached _______. If this is an emergency, hang up and dial 911. Otherwise, leave a message. *BEEP*


  28. It goes both ways. by r00t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I probably don't want to talk to a person who screens calls like that.

    I certainly won't talk to a machine. I might stumble over my words. Am I supposed to have a ready-made speech for you to record? It's not as if I could call back later to delete the message I left, or could determine if you got the message.

    I may be paying long distance charges.

    So, screw you. I have better things to do. I could talk to some nice and friendly people.

    1. Re:It goes both ways. by jon+doh! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      um..is it that hard to say "it's me [$yourname], its [not] important, call me back."?

    2. Re:It goes both ways. by pjay_dml · · Score: 1

      Mission accomplished!

    3. Re:It goes both ways. by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Am I supposed to have a ready-made speech for you to record?

      "Dude. It's r00t. Call me."

      I may be paying long distance charges.

      Even better. Now they have to call you back, and they pay the long distance.

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    4. Re:It goes both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apparently so.

    5. Re:It goes both ways. by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Am I supposed to have a ready-made speech for you to record?"

      Look, this isn't a Senate hearing. Just say who you are, when (approximately) you are calling, and what you are calling about, and what I should do in response to your call (i.e. call the police, call back immediately, call back when I get a chance, wait for your call...)

      Something like,
      Hey, it's r00t, it's about five-thirty -- I was just calling to see if you wanted to go to the game on Saturday... I had an extra ticket... Gimme a call when you get this message. Bye!

      " I may be paying long distance charges.

      So, screw you. I have better things to do. I could talk to some nice and friendly people.
      "

      Are you calling to communicate, or to socialize? If you call and say "call me back long distance", you might get the other person to call you back and pay the long distance toll.

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    6. Re:It goes both ways. by r00t · · Score: 1

      I could be calling to communicate or to socialize. Either way, I'm going to take a rather negative view of the answering machine. Unless I really need to talk (calling my boss, family member died, etc.) I'm just going to give up. Screw you.

      If you won't pick up the phone, why did you give out the number in the first place? That was rude. You faked me out.

    7. Re:It goes both ways. by LordNightwalker · · Score: 2, Funny

      I probably don't want to talk to a person who screens calls like that.

      And judging from your attitude, you're probably the reason they screen their calls like that, so I doubt they want to talk to you. You're happy, they're happy, the world just became a better place.

      I certainly won't talk to a machine. I might stumble over my words. Am I supposed to have a ready-made speech for you to record?

      Well, did you have a ready-made speech for the occasion where I actually pick up the phone? No? Damn, how do you intend to convey me your message? What? Improvise, you say? Well, what's so hard about improvising to a machine? "Hey, it's me, John. I just wanted to tell you Jeff couldn't make it to our D&D session tonight, so we could either reshedule for tomorrow if that's OK with everyone, or just skip this week and meet again next week. Let me know if tomorrow is OK with you or not, k? Bye man." Whoah, that was *HARD*!

      It's not as if I could call back later to delete the message I left, or could determine if you got the message.

      It's not as if you could call back later and change whatever you said in our first conversation either. However, you could call back, and tell me you made a mistake and correct it. You can do the same with the answering machine by leaving a second message. And if it's important for you to know if your message has been received, you just say "call me back as soon as you get this" at the end of the message, and guess what... As soon as I get your message, I will call you back.

      I may be paying long distance charges.

      You would be paying long distance charges regardless of who's picking up the phone: me, or the machine. If it's me, chances are you'll be talking a lot longer than to the machine, and pay more to get your message accross. If the machine picks up, I'll have to call you back, and you can talk to me for free. I don't see your problem.

      So, screw you. I have better things to do. I could talk to some nice and friendly people.

      Really? You're so amusing when you lie, you know that? If you really had better things to do, or nicer and friendlier people to talk to, why did you just call me?

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    8. Re:It goes both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how do you know if the person is there or not? You're willing to destroy a friendship because they're simply not home?

    9. Re:It goes both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't encourage them to waste more of MY oxygen.

    10. Re:It goes both ways. by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "If you won't pick up the phone, why did you give out the number in the first place? That was rude. You faked me out."

      I certainly wouldn't have given you my number to be at your beck and call at any time you please. When you call, I'll pick up if I'm not busy and I feel like socializing. Since you probably have no idea what I'm doing at the time when you call, you wouldn't know whether or not it's a good time. Maybe I'm the the shower, in the middle of a task, having an argument with my spouse, or even driving, in the case of a cell phone.

      If I didn't have an answering machine or caller id, I wouldn't even know you called if I wasn't able to pick up. At least with an answering machine you have the opportunity to let me know that you called, and what you wanted to talk about.

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    11. Re:It goes both ways. by r00t · · Score: 1
      "I certainly wouldn't have given you my number to be at your beck and call at any time you please."

      Fine. I can understand that: I do not usually give out my pnone number. At the moment my phone lacks an incoming number.

      If you choose to give out your phone number, then I nearly expect that you will be at my beck and call any time I please. You made the choice to give out your phone number. Live with it. It's rude to fake people out.

      I can understand not picking up. You can just let the phone ring forever. That's what happens when you are not available.

      Screening calls is rude. I avoid calling people who do this.

      When I was young, I was taught that you always let the phone ring 10 times. It's polite to let someone have a chance to wipe their ass, get dressed, run up the stairs, etc. Lately I've been hanging up on the fourth ring to avoid the damn machines. Grrr. If I really must reach someone, I'll just do that several times in a row to get to the 10 rings.

    12. Re:It goes both ways. by r00t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When talking to a human, I can hear the response. I immediately know if my words have been misinterpreted. The machine faithfully records something that may be taken wrongly, perhaps with disasterous consequences.

      A human doesn't need a ready-made speech. There is interaction. The feedback helps to form the message.

    13. Re:It goes both ways. by charleste · · Score: 1

      But they have Vonage! It's local!

    14. Re:It goes both ways. by Gulthek · · Score: 1
      I certainly won't talk to a machine. I might stumble over my words. Am I supposed to have a ready-made speech for you to record? It's not as if I could call back later to delete the message I left, or could determine if you got the message.
      Stumble over your words? It's a machine. How would it be any different if you were talking to the person? "Hi, it's [$name]. [if $subject then say "Calling about $subject"] It's [if !$urgent say "not"] urgent. You can call me back at [$phonenumber]. Bye!"

      I may be paying long distance charges.
      That .15 cents. It's a killer?

      So, screw you. I have better things to do. I could talk to some nice and friendly people.
      Sounds like they'd love to talk to you too.
    15. Re:It goes both ways. by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "If you choose to give out your phone number, then I nearly expect that you will be at my beck and call any time I please. You made the choice to give out your phone number. Live with it. It's rude to fake people out. " You really think that when someone gives you their phone number, they are really expecting to become your personal genie ( "You rang, master?" ) just because they gave you seven digits? I think you have an unrealistic perception of what relationship you are establishing when you get a phone number.

      I think you are probably the only one getting "faked out" when people hand you their number. I haven't met anyone who thinks like you.

      So you don't like call screening. You don't like talking to machines and leaving messages. Can you imagine that you might actually need to leave a message for someone? That an answering machine might actually convey information?

      You do realize that you aren't actually talking to a machine, right? That box isn't acutally listening to you, you know -- it's just a recording device to give a message to the intended recipient. You might think of it as a delayed conversation, or a verbal letter -- a 'voice mail', so to speak.

      When you were young, you lived in a different world. When the phone rang, you had to rush to wipe your ass so you could pick it up -- if you missed the call, you would have no idea who called, why, or how important it was. Nowadays, we have caller id, answering machines, and voice mail. We don't *have* to rush, so why should we? Why should I develop hemmoroids hurrying my bowel movements because Right Now works for you?

      You took the damn time to call, you must have had something to say, even if it's just "hey, calling to chat" so leave a fricking mesage!! I've got better things to do than wait around for people to call.

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    16. Re:It goes both ways. by tomlouie · · Score: 1

      What about leaving a written note for someone? "Hey Jeff. Dropped by, but you weren't in. Wanna meet for lunch tomorrow? -r00t" There's no immediate feedback, there's the risk of misinterpretation, etc etc.

      Or are your conversations more like this:

      r00t: "Begin msg. 'Hey Jeff. It's r00t.' End msg."
      Jeff: "Begin echo. 'Hey Jeff. It's r00t.' End echo. Begin msg. 'Hi r00t, long time no hear, what's up?' End msg."
      r00t: "Begin echo. 'Hi r00t, long time no hare, what's up?' End echo. Begin msg..."
      Jeff: "Begin correction. "Hear, not hare." End correction."

      Tom

    17. Re:It goes both ways. by Sloppy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you choose to give out your phone number, then I nearly expect that you will be at my beck and call any time I please. You made the choice to give out your phone number. Live with it. It's rude to fake people out.

      The problem here is due to different interpretations of what a phone number is for. Some people give out phone numbers so that they can be communicated with. You think people give out phone numbers so that they can be communicated with interactively.

      Screening calls is rude. I avoid calling people who do this.

      Perversely, by choosing to rigidly interpret it as rude, you are gaining the benefit of call-screening technology. You are now freed from having to talk with people who you probably wouldn't get along with anyway.

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    18. Re:It goes both ways. by Photar · · Score: 1

      I hate leaving messages. However, I have found this simple prepaired message quite effective. "Hi, this is [my name] gimme a call back. Thanks."

      If you can't be bothered to do that much then screw you.

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    19. Re:It goes both ways. by ACPosterChild · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are supposed to have a ready-made speech.

      It goes:
      "Hey , it's r00t. Call me back at 123-456-7890. Thanks."

      It's not complicated, and they can then call *you* back at *their* convenience.

      Or do you think it's better to keep calling them when:
      A) They are out and you keep wasting your time.
      B) They are in the middle of something and you keep disturbing them. (Something like a nap, an important conversation with somebody else, etc.)

      Phones were not invented simply to allow people to butt in to other people's lives. An answering machine removes the rudness of interrupting somebody's life and forcing them to pay attention to you.

    20. Re:It goes both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you austistic or something?

    21. Re:It goes both ways. by operagost · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only on Slashdot must nouveaux-luddite people be instructed how to leave messages on answering machines. It's not 1965, people.

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    22. Re:It goes both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, Jeff ..no, damn, John, Hi, oh I said that, Hi, its r00t, uhm, I guess you're not there or busy or something. Listen, for the Trek convention I wanted to get my Spock ears back, ok? so call me back, ok?

      Yeah. It could be a problem

    23. Re:It goes both ways. by Yakko · · Score: 1

      You can explain and wax poetic about your expectations and preferences all you want, but it doesn't change one simple fact: my phone, my rules. When you call me, you are asking (OK, DEMANDING, in your specific case) to interrupt whatever I was doing. When I glance over at Caller ID and see it's a number I don't want to talk to right now, I just do nothing. It's a great service, I don't have to screen any calls, and those who leave voicemail usually are calling me for a reason these days.

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    24. Re:It goes both ways. by r00t · · Score: 1

      Your phone, your rules. Cool.

      Warn me about your behavior so that I won't bother to keep your number. Better yet, just don't give out your phone number. Keep it unlisted and don't offer it.

      I don't like to interrupt what I'm doing either... so I don't give out a phone number.

    25. Re:It goes both ways. by r00t · · Score: 1

      It sure is odd to be giving out a number if you don't want interactive communication.

      For non-interactive communication, we have the written word. These days it doesn't even cost you a stamp. The sender gets to compose a message at leisure, rewording the message until it is just right. Pictures (worth 1000 words each) can be included.

    26. Re:It goes both ways. by r00t · · Score: 1

      When leaving a written note, I get time to think it over carefully to minimize the risk of misinterpretation. I don't get that with an answering machine unless I carefully rehearse in advance.

      Not being a major phone user, I don't have a fill-in-the-blank speech as a reflex action. I'm sure a salesman has something ready, but I'm no salesman.

    27. Re:It goes both ways. by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

      Building an OGM script as a matter of fact. It's getting entirely too long.

      "Hi, You've reached [#phonenumber#]. If you would like me to call you back, make it interesing, and give me the information I need to reach you at home. Firstnames with an 800 number and extention are not interesting. I don't care how sexy your voice is. If you're calling from a business I don't take solicitation calls, but if it is something else, include who you are working for, the purpose of your call, and your home number. Wait for the beep."

      That averages about 30 seconds there. That seems to me to be a bit long. but maybe it's just me.

      -Rusty

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    28. Re:It goes both ways. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      If you won't pick up the phone, why did you give out the number in the first place?

      The same reason I gave you my postal or e-mail address: so that you can send me a message.

      I have little interest in real-time chatting over electronic media, except with friends or family with whom I haven't spoken in a while. I prefer to use the telephone for messaging or for brief conversations, mostly to set up actual face-to-face interactions.

      Talking to a piece of plastic is not high on my list of fun good-time activities. If you want to talk to me, leave a message like "Hey, it's me, wanna meet for a beer? Call me back."

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    29. Re:It goes both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got your email address somewhere, so you have to read and answer every email that I sent to you.

  29. Try VoIP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm using Speakeasy's rebranded VoIP service and they have some features for categorizing calls. You can block some groups of callers entirely, drop them directly to voicemail (without ringing), forward to another phone (such as a cellphone), etc.

    http://www.speakeasy.net/home/voip/features.php

    I'd shop around with Vonage, Speakeasy, etc and see what they can offer.

    On the other hand -- I'm a pretty lazy, so most of the time I just let it ring until VM picks up and I'll call back later if I actually want to talk ;)

    Flat-rate long distance + local calling for about the same as I was paying the telco is the really killer feature, however.

    - Adam

  30. If it's important, they'll call back by Migraineman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's truely important, the caller will re-dial after hanging up on your answering machine's greeting. Works fine.

    Honestly, the "what about emergencies" arguement is as badly abused as "think of the children." My telephone is a resource for *my* convenience, paid for by *me.* If someone calls while I'm eating dinner with my family, the call is allowed to roll-over to the answering machine. If there's an immediate call-back, I'll probably interrupt what I'm doing. Somebody screaming into the answering machine in the next room would be a good clue too. Everything else gets done on *my* schedule.

    It used to be that receiving a telephone call was a big deal - think back to the early 1900's. Nobody had phones. If somebody called you, there was probably large expense (money, time, effort) to place the call from the other end. That expectation persists to today, in spite of the ubiquity and low-value of most phone calls. The phone companies go to great lengths to maintain this perception of "high priority interrupt." They're in your face, and they want to stay there (but that's a completely different rant.)

    Think of the children. They're busy eating their dinner and experiencing some family time. Call back later. (To address the original poster: get an answering machine; learn to use it; don't let the phone rule your life.)

    1. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by bahamuut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look, maybe this doesn't happen to folks very often, but as someone who doesn't currently own a cellphone and uses public transportation and payphones quite a bit it is a valid scenario:

      you're stuck somewhere and the last bus has already run it's route. It's cold or rainy and you've already walked five to ten miles and are feeling really tired/hungry and like the world doesn't give two shits about you. you're down to your last fifty cents and you've decided to call one of your so-called friends that you think is most likely to help you out. you dial the number hoping, praying that they'll pick up, and the call goes directly to voicemail, robbing you of the last bit of money that you have. My current life situation has helped to put things in a maybe 'unique' perspective, but I think that we just need to develop systems or just learn ourselves to handle unwanted calls in a humane, yet stern manner making it clear that solicitous repeated calls are unwanted, yet leaving the line open for our friends and family that might be on payphones or in unusual situations and in dire need of our help.

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    2. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by hab136 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      yet leaving the line open for our friends and family that might be on payphones or in unusual situations and in dire need of our help

      So you want people to put up with the certain daily annoyance of telemarketers (new ones will call regardless of how stern you are with previous ones) on the slight chance that we have a deadbeat friend who might have to spend a night outdoors? Even in your contrived scenario, nothing is stopping said deadbeat from leaving a message with his location and situation, then repeatedly collect-calling (since he apparently has nothing better to do). Collect calls are automated these days; they won't get tired of you calling the same number over and over.

      My little brother has called me from jail more than once, usually around 3am (thanks bro). I don't pick up on strange numbers, but when I listen to the message a few minutes later, I drove down and bailed him out. Big deal. (Tip for you: it takes a while to bail someone out. Bring a book.)

      I can't think of any situations where you only have 1 phone call, can't collect-call, and absolutely have to talk to someone as opposed to leaving a message.

      Besides, we don't have to - and shouldn't - base our lives around .001% chances.

    3. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Easy enough with an asterisk box to program in an emergency over-ride code that you let's authorised people over-ride the standard call-handling.

      For example, there is no problem defining a dialplan that, if someone calls you and enters 31415 or whatever at the "leave a message" prompt, skips the mailbox and rings every phone you posess until someone answers.

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    4. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      Thank you for demonstrating my point. You've created a contrived and improbable scenario where an "important call" might show up demanding your attention. Having swallowed the "importance of the call" rhetoric hook, line, and sinker, you're now prepared to alter your life behavior in order to service the telephone. Answering the phone shouldn't automatically be your highest priority in life. Sooo, in your "valid scenario" above, do you spend all your time hovering over the phone waiting for the "might be important" calls to show up? Why not?

      Like in a computer, a phone call is an interrupt and should be prioritized accordingly. Have you ever written code that blocks interrupts because whatever you're doing is critical? Have you had to write code to service prioritized interrupts? Your life should work much the same way.

    5. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by ehynes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Should we stay home all of the time too so we're there to answer when this one in a million phone call occurs?

    6. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by pintpusher · · Score: 1

      My pet peeve is the phone call that gets through in the middle of a meeting forcing you to sit and wait while some ass-hat chatters on about "the game" or whatever.

      The point is, what is more important to you? The person who is face to face with you or the lazy sot who can only be bothered to call. We've totally reprioritised our lives so that the disembodied voice of someone with your phone number deserves more attention than an actual person. More and more, I ignore the phone, or use it to set up face-toface appointments. Email has largely replaced the inane little phone calls back and forth with people. And email is not only on your schedule, but is ALSO on the other party's schedule too. Nobody interrupts anybody else, but the low level communication still gets done. .02

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    7. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      You need:

      1) Better friends
      2) More money
      3) Comfortable shoes
      4) The ability to plan ahead better

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    8. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by Photar · · Score: 1

      Another trick with the automated collect calls is when it ask your name say, "this is Joe call me 555-1212"

      And then they call you back for free.

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    9. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by hab136 · · Score: 1

      Another trick with the automated collect calls is when it ask your name say, "this is Joe call me 555-1212"
      And then they call you back for free.

      Sadly, many of the payphones in the U.S. don't ring any more. Presumably this is done to prevent anonymous phone calls in order to better track criminals, but it also prevents free phone calls.

    10. Re:If it's important, they'll call back by Photar · · Score: 1

      Yes, I've run into this problem before too. In my experience, it is just the ringer that is disabled, so all you have to do is wait 20 seconds and then start picking up the phone every 10 seconds or so and then you'll catch the person calling.

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  31. you will need by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 4, Funny

    1 sound muffled box containing
        phone with answering machine
        digital camera
        laptop with OCR and RDBMS software
        microphone
        robotic hand

    have the laptop listen to the microphone for noise (phone ring), the robotic hand should then hit the button on the camera which takes a picture of the LCD display on the phone showing the number, the image is transferred to the OCR software which returns the number, lookup the number in the RDBMS, if it's ok the robotic hand pushes open the lid on the sound muffled box "letting the ring out", if it's somebody you really don't want anything to do with the robotic hand lifts the phone and hangs up, in all other cases the phone is left to ring in the sound muffled box until the answering machine picks up.

    Problem solved.

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    1. Re:you will need by Bob_Geldof · · Score: 0

      You left out the mouse and bowling ball. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg

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  32. I have a phone that does that by boldtbanan · · Score: 3, Informative

    My AT&T E5965C does exactly that. It's about $120 if you can catch it on sale.

    Here it is at Amazon

  33. Re:Asterisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It still says "I would prefer", which does not say he absolutely does not want a software solution, just he'd rather other solutions. Offering the software solution if you don't think the hardware one is possible is perfectly legitimate.

  34. Re:Asterisk by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    That's jive. If you don't think the preferred HW solution is possible, say so. Who do you think you're fooling?

    Learn how to admit you're wrong, Anonymous willfully ignorant Coward.

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  35. Re:Asterisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, since the software is acceptable (though not preferred) what is wrong with the suggestion to use a particular software package?

  36. Re:Asterisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, if I had made the original comment, I would have said the HW solution was not possible rather than just give the link. But if SW is not acceptable, then why the hell did he say "I would prefer the filtering occurred on my side of the phone line, or implementing a software solution on my PC."? He should have said, "I don't want a subscription service or software running on my computer. I want a hardware solution." Just come out and say what you want.

  37. CID by Eil · · Score: 1

    I could have swore that some modems that I bought back in the day listed "Caller ID" as one of their features in the specification on the packaging. My question is: can this feature be accessed from within one's favorite open source operating system? If so, I'm guessing that it's only possible with one or two brands of winmodem, but hey, if the price is right, it might be part of a cheap solution to the submitter's problem.

  38. Re:Asterisk by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Their post was them thinking through their preferences "out loud". It was clear that they want HW, because they said so explicitly. It was also clear that Asterisk, which needs their PC to stay powered on, was overkill and not what they had in mind. They considered less preferable options to reject them with their reasons. Why suggest something that's clearly against their explicit preferences, for the reasons they stated?

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  39. Re:Asterisk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Someone comes to me, "Hey I'm hungry, lets get a bite to eat. I'd prefer pizza." If I say "There are no pizza places around, lets get a burger." I have suggested something against his clear preferences, but I wouldn't say I'm out of line. If he had said "Hey, I'm hungry let's get a bite to eat. No burgers though, I'm vegetarian." Then I would be out of line suggesting a burger.

    The original request is "I'd prefer pizza" not "No burgers though." If you can't see that, I'm sorry. You should give back your degree.

  40. Re:Asterisk by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just to beat this dead horse into an ass:

    "Hey, I'm hungry. I'd prefer not to eat at home. Probably takeout to the park or sitdown. Frankly, sitdown is too much like home, and I don't want to be inside. I'd prefer to go to the park."

    If you said "let's go sit down at the burger joint", though the park is open and right next door, you'd be eating alone. I'd go to the park with someone else.

    You're a sorry Anonymous retard Coward. You should eat alone for the rest of your life.

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  41. What about a STB-type system? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone seems to be assuming that Asterisk = "regular PC running all the time." Why does this have to be the case?

    I haven't ever set up an Asterisk system, but if you only needed a few lines and didn't need space for the huge full-length PCI cards that people use to bring in T1 lines and interface with lots of copper POTS extensions, couldn't you do it in a very small, low-power enclosure?

    Set up a dedicated machine, like the set-top-boxes people use for DVRs. Micro-ATX, small case, fanless processor, and then run it off of a CF card or something. Enough people have done stuff like this to make it not exactly state of the art: I don't know what the system requirements are for Asterisk, but without any fancy psychoacoustic compression I can't think it's that bad to only manage one connection at a time. Certainly it ought to be within the realm of currently available low-power and embedded systems, even. In addition to routing calls, it could probably handle his voicemail and maybe even do other slick features like email recorded VM messages or play them back through the internal speaker. Replacing some existing devices, if he was so inclined, could substantially reduce the power burden of a new machine.

    The OP has said he wants a hardware solution that doesn't involve his PC -- fine; that doesn't mean that it can't use some PC software, running on a dedicated "appliance" or appliance-like system. Just because it's a computer doesn't mean it has to look like a computer, smell like a computer, or draw power like a computer.

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    1. Re:What about a STB-type system? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting way to use the enticing Asterisk in a way that meets the request not to keep a PC powered on all the time. But Asterisk is still overkill for the requirements, as the story submitter anticipated.

      Another overkill way would be to port the landline to Vonage or another telco that offers "simulring", point simulring at a PalmOS smartphone, install the screener SW, configured to divert unwanted calls after only two rings.

      Or they could just get the simple, cheap little HW gadget suggested by another poster that meets every requirement.

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  42. Re:Asterisk by supasam · · Score: 0

    "Hey I'm hungry, lets get a bite to eat. I could eat a burger, IF I HAD TO, but I'd prefer pizza." "There are no pizza places around, lets get a burger." Needs to prefaced with some sort of a " Sorry dawg, this is hamburger city, where no one can come up with solutions besides burgers, so as--"

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  43. Re:I don't even know how you'd do this on a comput by LordNightwalker · · Score: 1

    No, but I've seen modems with one output that can go to your phones. The answering machine could be implemented in software on your computer, since it would have to remain on 24/7 anyway.

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  44. Classic by coyotecult · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hell, I'm a woman and I want a wife, too!

  45. Cordless Phones by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just remember that anytime you're talking on a cordless phone, you're using a radio transmitter. While that might seem like a painfully obvious thing to say, it's amazing how many people don't get the connection between "cordless telephone" and "anyone with a scanner can hear everything I'm saying." If you don't believe me, find any good radio that has wideband receive and try searching from around 46.6-50 MHz for the older phones and 900-928 MHz for the new ones. I don't have a receiver that goes to 2.4GHz but I have no doubt that if you did, you'd hear lots of people up in that band, too (although decoding the digital ones might be non-trivial).

    Whenever somebody brings up email privacy I just laugh -- we'll work on email encryption right after we figure out a way to convince people that broadcasting their conversations miles in every direction probably isn't a great idea.

    Anyway, I recommend that anybody who uses a cordless phone as their primary means of communication should borrow a scanner for an evening and play around with it--see if you can find the frequency of your own unit. I know I'll never discuss anything sensitive on one ever again.

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    1. Re:Cordless Phones by Sancho · · Score: 1

      Sure, I'm fully aware of that, and I don't discuss sensitive information over the phone.

      Remember always that the point isn't that we necessarily want everything we do to be private, but that we want to have the option of privacy. If the government is snooping, that option is gone. If a neighbor is snooping, it's probably my own fault and I probably thought about that ahead of time.

    2. Re:Cordless Phones by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      True for analog phones, but while it's possible to snoop on spread spectrum digital phones (available in all frequency bands, although 900 MHz units are becoming VERY hard to find in both analog and digital flavors), it's much more difficult and I do not know of any off-the-shelf reasonably priced scanner that can snoop FHSS or DSS digital phones. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just MUCH more difficult to the point where it would require a determined attacker with lots of time and money, someone who probably has the resources to install a physical tap on your landline or snoop your ISP connection in the case of VoIP.

      Also, modern digital cordless phones may use encryption, but I am not sure of this. Hmm, I should look into the specs of my new Uniden 5.8 GHz set.

      FYI, 802.11a and 5.8 GHz cordless phones operate in different parts of the ISM bands up in that range, so won't interfere with each other. This is, of course, not true for 2.4 GHz phones and 802.11b/g gear, which love to clobber each other and get clobbered by microwave ovens.

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  46. Not in Australia by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 1

    You can't do this in Australia without paying Tesltra to enable 'callerid'.

    Telstra sucks.
    They charge $3 if you want to enable a 'service' - Make your phone number silent (hidden).
    They charge $3 (for landlines, or package this cost) - To allow you to see incoming caller numbers. If you don't pay this fee then callerid is disabled for all incoming calls.

    So, let's count the cost here. If I want to have a phone that is hidden that can use callerids then I need to pay $3 per month.. and then another $3 to hide it. Wonderful. And they call this a 'service'.

    My guess is that they charge $3 for for silenced numbers due to the number of phone calls you don't receive if people don't know your number. I can only dream that they are charging people to receive information which is part of every phone call anyway because they can block it and charge you to receive it. I wonder how many mobile phone users would be annoyed if they added a $3 charge every month just to 'be able to receive calledid!'.

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    1. Re:Not in Australia by sycotic · · Score: 1

      Bastards!

      Our only real national phone company do the same thing regarding charging the earth for something that costs them next to nothing:

      How much does it cost?

      $3.95 a month (including GST) or $2.50 a month (including GST) if taken as part of our Anytime plan.

      http://www.telecom.co.nz/callerdisplay

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    2. Re:Not in Australia by douglaid · · Score: 1

      Yes, we have it, and it identifies the unwanted callers as "Unavailable" (those offshore) or "Private" (those who don't want you to ring them back as often as they ring you.)

      I understood that in the U.S. a filter could be set to exclude those categories. Apparently not. Anyway, it can be dangerous. Some genuine callers use "Private" e.g. banks.

      The worst problem is the robotic callers. When you answer, there is either 15 seconds of silence or musi while the idiot at the other end realizes that he has somebody on line. Surely there is a mechanical filter for this (besides the "wife").

      Doug.

    3. Re:Not in Australia by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      "Surely there is a mechanical filter for this (besides the "wife")."

      There sure is, at least here in the States. It's a three-tone noise that simulates the 'disconnected number' tone. With any luck, it tricks the remote-dialer to remove the number from their list.

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  47. A computer could do it, a device I do not know of by KIDputer · · Score: 1

    A computer and modem can do this and some already do. Zetafax has a junk fax filter for their software that blocks thos numbers from being able to transmit the fax. Others sort calls based on caller ID. These technologies are obviously available already matching your feature request. So long as the Phone/Fax/PBS/ Answering service are in a computer many systems are available for this. A device is more tricky becuse the caller ID comes after the first ring, which you may not hear. So the call is then Routed by mechanical switch to different devices you already have, one to many relationship. So in this senario from the home demarkation is where this device needs to be located unless you only have one phone or all your devices are plugged into the same hole in the wall. It would need to have a voicemail chip which is a developed technology that could be licensed. It would need Caller ID detection and a small database for Caller-ID comparison functions. Sounds like a good project for an college or high school electronics class, once developed can be mass produced in Taiwan. Need 4 components to work together. 1-Phone Circuit Relay Function for call routing 2-Caller ID Function 3-Answering Machine 4-Software interface including an import/export database functions (USB Interface) 5-Optional Email/Internet connection to send email alerts on inbound Caller-IDs I know of nothing that fits these parameters and therefore this may be an invention waiting to happen. I suggest making a Linux phone answering system and then having someone put it all in a board/box after you get it working. Don't forget the USB interface and SMTP email/Text Message of SELECTED messages with Caller ID would be nice as well.

  48. Talking Caller-ID by Jetson · · Score: 3, Informative
    which answering machine has the ability to ring or not-ring based on caller-id info

    The Caller-ID information is sent between the first and second ring, so the only way to avoid ringing is to drop the first ring 100% of the time. On the occasions where you do want to talk to someone, the time left to get to the phone is that much shorter.

    I have an AASTRA talking Caller-ID box in my house. It does a great job of managing the phone. If the caller has intentionally blocked their Caller-ID information then it automatically answers after one ring and tells them I don't accept blocked calls (which are inevitably from telemarketers) and they should call back with Caller-ID enabled. For the rest, it speaks the phone number so I know who it is before I get to the phone. If it's someone I don't want to talk to then I just let it ring until the answering machine cuts in. It supports blacklisting so that people who annoy me don't even get to leave a message. One interesting feature is that I can record a short audio clip and have it matched to a specific name or number so that it will play that audio clip instead of speaking the number. That's a great help with things like payphones which I will always want to answer no matter what the number is (my telco sends "payphone" as the Caller-ID name).

    1. Re:Talking Caller-ID by stonecypher · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I inform the person that if it's a telemarketer and they continue to talk to me anyway, that the fee will be $250. That way, when my friends need to call me from a payphone, they're not screwed. About once every four months a telemarketer gets ballsy, but on the other hand, so far I've scared two supervisors into actually paying out the fee, which pretty much guarantees that firm will never call me again.

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    2. Re:Talking Caller-ID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I have an AASTRA talking Caller-ID box in my house. It does a great job of managing the phone. If the caller has intentionally blocked their Caller-ID information then it automatically answers after one ring and tells them I don't accept blocked calls (which are inevitably from telemarketers) and they should call back with Caller-ID enabled. For the rest, it speaks the phone number so I know who it is before I get to the phone. If it's someone I don't want to talk to then I just let it ring until the answering machine cuts in. It supports blacklisting so that people who annoy me don't even get to leave a message. One interesting feature is that I can record a short audio clip and have it matched to a specific name or number so that it will play that audio clip instead of speaking the number.

      That sounds like exactly what I want, but I'm having trouble finding it on their web-site. Could you please advise what the model name / number is?

      Thanks!
  49. Intercept box... by SmoothTom · · Score: 3, Informative

    Years ago (when I still had landlines) I had a box that intercepted all incoming calls without allowing the phones to ring. It delivered a simple message "Please enter your desired extension, or, if you do not know the extension, please dial "O" or wait on the line. Bleep!"

    People were given one of several numbers to enter: 472 for family, 333 for work, 505 for businesses, for example.

    472 always rang through with a particular ring, 333 rang through with another, 505 it would allow through or not depending on how I set the switch, with yet a third ring style.

    Anyone who didn't have a good three digit number went to the answering machine, with no audible ring on any phone.

    It was simple and effective, and anyone with the proper code could get through from any touch-tone phone.

    People never had any problem with my giving them an extension number, as in "Call me when my car is ready, 206 555 0293, extension 505.)

    I don't know if anyone still makes that simple box, but it would be worth checking for...

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    1. Re:Intercept box... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      I do exactly the same using asterisk...
      The only problem nowadays, is that the phonebooks built in to most cellphones don't let you store and auto use an extension number properly.

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    2. Re:Intercept box... by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      Why would someone want to autodial an extension? They might need to call for different things a t different times?

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    3. Re:Intercept box... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watson Ladd is an idiot.

  50. No Problem by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Pick up a Digium FXO/FXS card. Technically you only need the FXO module (The bit that plugs into the landline) but unless you have a SIP phone handy you'll need something to plug a phone handset into. You could try using a software-only phone but those things seem to be a bit of a pain in the ass. If you have more than one landline you can pick up a variety of combinations, such as FXO/FXO/FXO/FXS or FXO/FXO/FXS/FXS. The card I have supports up to 4 modules and you can mix and match modules to your heart's content. Note that you'll need to plug a plug from the power supply into the card if you plan to use the FXS module. This provides ring voltage to the FXS modules.

    Slap said card into a Linux or Windows box. I chose Linux but it seems asterisk has been ported to Windows, too.

    Now grab asterisk. If you went with Linux you'll have to download and install the Zaptel drivers for the Digium card, too. I haven't had much luck with the Debian packaged Asterisk and prefer to compile it from the CVS tree. Once you've got asterisk installed you can modify your extensions.conf file. Make some local extensions (You can use your FXS phone and a SIP soft phone like Linphone to test these.) Now you can do ALL SORTS of fun stuff. My home setup has a little voice menu system that asks you if you're a telemarketer and then asks you to dial 1 or 2 for myself or my room mate. If we don't pick up, the call goes into a voice mail system very simlar to what I have at work.

    Eventually I plan to sign on with a VOIP service and keep the landline only for inbound calls and 911 service. You can also route local calls over a landline and long distance calls through a VOIP provider (or one of those 10-10 serivices if you prefer using one of those.) You can also set up speed dial keys for any combination (#1 on my phone gets you Abo's Pizza in Lafayette.)

    I suggest that you keep an actual non-wireless phone plugged into one of the other landline ports in the house -- even if you're on a UPS, a protracted power outage could end up leaving you with no way to call 911. Having an old non-wireless phone around is the safest thing to do -- they draw voltage off the phone line to work, and that usually stays up. Just make sure you don't have to plug the phone into anything other than the phone line and you'll be good to go.

    Asterisk takes a fair amount of configuring and it can be intimidating at first, but the flexibility it offers to the home user is unparalleled by anything else in its price range. For a home user, anything coming even close to it would be well out of the price range of most people.

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  51. Modem by Detritus · · Score: 1

    Caller-ID uses Bell 202 modem protocol, which is a simple 1200 bps FSK scheme. You could decode that in software or use a simple FSK demod circuit. It's 1200 Hz for Mark and 2200 Hz for Space.

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    1. Re:Modem by stienman · · Score: 1

      Caller-ID uses Bell 202 modem protocol, which is a simple 1200 bps FSK scheme. You could decode that in software or use a simple FSK demod circuit. It's 1200 Hz for Mark and 2200 Hz for Space.

      Of course. But would you rather spend $20 on an external modem with all that (and more) built in, or would you rather spend hours/days building and troubleshooting a telephone interface, demodulator, and firmware for it? For a one-off I don't see the advantage.

      -Adam

  52. I believe it's called IOBI by way2trivial · · Score: 2, Insightful
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  53. B&O makes such a thing by Olie · · Score: 1
    It's called Beotalk 1200 and is a quite expensive answering machine. Take a look here:
    The silent answer function lets BeoTalk 1200 answer incoming calls without the telephone having to ring. Up to 10 numbers can be selected that by-pass the silent answer function.
  54. land line filter by flyneye · · Score: 0

    Just pick up the earpiece,give the handle a couple of cranks,and tell Elly Mae down at the switchboard to hold the calls from bill collectors, revenuers and democrats.
    c'mon man,a land line? When I didn't feel like taking calls on a land line I just hooked up to a fax and rang a modem in their ear. Switch the tapes in your answering maching with each other and let callers chew on your previous messages instead of that same old greeting"Hi I'm not in right now,leave a message and I'll get right back to you".Phones really are a plague,Your question should be,"How do I get by without a phone?"Of course theres always VOIP,IM,E~mail and carrier pigeon.Ditch your phone and make the rest of the world upgrade,then attack the filtering problem on your terms instead of Ma Bell.

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  55. Re:Asterisk by Eagleartoo · · Score: 1

    This anonomous coward must be a windows os. You ask it for something one way, think's he can do it better, then he crashes his @$$ into the mountain like John Denver. This is an IT site, not encylcopeadia britannica or dictionary.com for that matter. So what if the english is a little bad or the spelling is wrong. If it doesn't change the context of what the person is actually saying and it get's the message across . . . Alriiiight!

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  56. Yes, Oh Yes, You want one of these. by deacon · · Score: 2, Informative
    You obviously don't have one of these, I do. Please educate yourself on how the unit works and what the buttons do before you spout off that it is "bad". Your entire post is a mass of inaccuracies and misconceptons on what the device is capable of.

    Just as one example, there is more to a caller then "good number" or "bad number". There are actually 3 choices on the machine: 1= do not send to answering machine and do not ring the phone. This would be the ex-wife option. 2= send to answering machine but do not ring the phone. This is the current wife option. 3= ring the phone first and if no answer then let them leave a message. This is the current girlfriend option.

    Second, TIME and DATE are sent by caller ID, you don't set them in the machine! Arrgh!. I don't have the time or patience to retype the whole (badly written) user manual here, but after having this device for 8 months I bought a second one just to keep in stock in case the first one needed service I would have a spare. Having this box to keep dimwits from ringing the phone is almost as good as Sex. Now, when the phone rings, it is guaranteed that the caller is someone I want to talk to. That's as good as getting only love letters in the mail, no bills or tax forms or junkmail.

    1. Re:Yes, Oh Yes, You want one of these. by plover · · Score: 1
      Please educate yourself on how the unit works and what the buttons do before you spout off that it is "bad".

      I'm afraid you have fallen completely into the trap of "accepting badness". (Don't blame yourself, bad UI is standard practice in the computer industry, honest.)

      The device itself is not bad, and I did not say the device was bad. The device sounds like a wonderful piece of technology that could solve a real problem for most people. (By the way, if you work for "ASPHALT PAVING" and you called my house seven times last week, YOU SUCK! ;-) And I am not now slagging the function of the device. According to what you wrote, this device couldn't be better if it transmuted lead into gold. I was convinced even before reading your post that it does a great job, and I'm seriously thinking about getting one for myself.

      And none of that has anything to do with the point of my post. The user interface is still bad.

      I learned everything I needed to know by watching the accompanying instructional video all the way through. It was awful to watch: Press the 'select' button a couple of times until this tiny icon shaped like a cassette tape (tapes have not been used in answering machines designed in the last seven years) and that's supposed to make me think "answering machine?" Is an answering machine good or bad? Do I want my friends to not be able to use the answering machine? Do I still "select" this person even if I don't like them? Do I hit the select button one time or twice if they're a telemarketer? (And I don't want to "save" a telemarketer anyway, I'll leave that to Jesus!)

      The designer should have asked himself "does this device require icons at all?" All the buttons and the on-screen word "CALL" are printed in English, which strongly indicates the hardware is not internationalized. The "SAVE DATABASE OK!" text seems to be in roughly the same English as "ALL YOUR BASE." And think about that word -- does the average user even know what a database is, much less care? Since English seems to be the language of the device, why can't the screen display the number's state in English, too, instead of outdated icons?

      Other screen oddities: why does a user care what "CALL #" it is? Does the tiny phone handset mean something useful regarding the operation of this device? What about the inverted [R] in a box or the circled (!) exclamation point? And what about the unlabeled blinking red light; is that a good thing or a bad thing? None of those are immediately intuitive nor do they seem useful for operating the device itself. (Sure, they may have some hidden meaning wrapped up in "saving or selecting", which just adds further to my point.)

      Those are just some of the examples of a horrible user interface. I'm sure I could add more.

      The root of the problem is the device was designed by extremly smart people. They came up with a cool idea, built hardware and wrote software to solve the problem. But these people were so close to the design of the solution that they built the UI completely around the solution they came up with and not around the problem it's solving.

      The flip side of the problem is that intelligent users such as yourself recognize the device as so powerful that you're willing to overlook how badly written the manual is and learn the weird button sequences just so you can enjoy its functionality. But that doesn't mean the user interface is any good, it just means you're personally clever and adaptable.

      I have no doubts that you, I and probably the rest of Slashdot would have no problems picking one up and using it. So would 20% of the population; if you stretch it, maybe 50% of Americans could eventually figure it out on their own. But why does it have to be so complex to learn and use that it requires instructions at all? It's an extremely simple device, doing an extremely simple task. It's identifying friends and foes based on their telephone number. So why

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      John
    2. Re:Yes, Oh Yes, You want one of these. by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      "3 choices on the machine: 1= do not send to answering machine and do not ring the phone. This would be the ex-wife option. 2= send to answering machine but do not ring the phone. This is the current wife option. 3= ring the phone first and if no answer then let them leave a message. This is the current girlfriend option."

      Good god, man! If the girlfriend calls, and you don't pick up (as in option #3) do you want the wife to hear that on the machine?!?!

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      If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
  57. You can try what I used by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 1

    I would prefer something like a small, solid-state hardware device. Is there any such thing available?"

    scissors.

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    I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
    1. Re:You can try what I used by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      dilvish_the_damned (167205) wrote:
      scissors.
      Easy for you to say, but you've been to Hell and back.

  58. The 24x7 PC by Sloppy · · Score: 1
    I don't want my PC turned on permanently

    Well, keep in mind that this is just one application, and that there are other things that an always-on PC can do (e.g. MythTV, various "home automation" stuff, periodically record cheapo "web camera" inputs for security, serve files to your other PCs, etc). Just get ambitious, and pretty soon you'll have yourself talked into needing a PC turned on all the time. :-) Then the challenge is to build the box that can do all that, with minimal energy usage. Oooh, a challenge!

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  59. That is exactly the answer! by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is quite a first I've seen on an Ask Slashdot. Someone's question is a very detailed list of the specifications of what they want a technological solution for. That's almost a miracle in itself that the question made sense, was slightly challenging to answer and research, and didn't involve asking for legal advice. Most amazing of all was that someone actually provided a link to a device to purchase that seems to do exactly what was asked for and more. Bravo!

    OK, everyone, the Ask Slashdot category has been redeemed this once. I ask all Slashdotters to study this occurrence and try to implement these features on future iterations of Ask Slashdot.

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  60. Use Tossable Digits by ooglek · · Score: 1

    Tossable Digits provides a disposable phone number that allows YOU to control who calls and when. It's cheap and does what you want it to -- control calling. TossableDigits.com

  61. Tag the article by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

    I tagged this article "answered" and "answered15566146".

  62. Probably by marcus · · Score: 1

    He's the same one that calls in the middle of the night and says: "Oh, did I wake you? Sorry, I'll call back tomorrow." And then immediately hangs up without waiting for a response.

    What an asshole! You've already interrupted my sleep, now you hang up and turn my effort in getting out of bed and answering the phone into a waste. If the message can be delayed until tomorrow, why call now!?!??!? I'll tell you this, if you are going to expect me to answer the phone, *ANYTIME*, you better have something worthwhile to say right then and there.

    People like this are *EXACTLY* why call filtering, distinctive rings, etc. exist. I have a relative who, since these technologies have been implemented, has never gotten me to answer the phone when she calls. I've told her straight to her face, but she still doesn't get it. This used to be the main reason I so enjoyed email. I was able to "listen" to the message when I wanted to do so. Plus, I never had to transcript a number or address. Now, with modern filtering and voicemail features, at least I can listen to the people *I* want hear, when *I* want.

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    Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
    - W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
  63. Don't feed the troll by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    r00t is either a troll or retard with no social skills.

  64. Messages - offtopic by buck_wild · · Score: 1

    My personal favorite: Hi, we're home but we're screening our calls for people we don't like. So leave your name and number, and if we don't call you back, it's you.

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    If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
  65. http://www.digitone.com/ by solitas · · Score: 1

    Here's what you want. I have a close friend who has one of these and SWEARS by it. It'll accept 'extension numbers' to dial-through, play prerecorded messages, route to answerers and faxes, and hang up on unauthorized callers. Different models with different capabilities. Not too pricey.

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    "It's time to take life by the cans." ~ Bender ("Bendin' in the Wind", ep. 3-13)
  66. http://www.talktrust.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use TalkTrust.com Also provides support for listing on ebay/yahoo/craigs, works internationally (through voip) and in the USA and Canada on your mobile/pstn line. Capable of setting up your schedule. Accept calls on your terms :-)
    Try http://www.talktrust.com/ It's FREE.

  67. 'cause it's all about you by anomaly · · Score: 1

    I hate telemarketing calls as much as the next guy - perhaps more - and I sometimes attempt to screen those courtesy of caller ID.

    However, because the world does not revolve around me, and because I love my family and friends enough, I'll take the risk that I'll end up talking to some telemarketer for a few seconds.

    What if it is an emergency? It's not about me. I'll pick up the phone - and when it *is* an emergency, I'll be available to care for someone else's needs. But that's just me. In your world, it sure seems to be all about you.

    Respectfully,
    Anomaly

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    But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
  68. Re:This looks like a job for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pst, I just metamoderated the "flamebait" vote on this post of yours as unfair:

    I don't normally go point this out, but those were such bullshit moderations I felt the urge to do so. So, you know, there are good mods/meta mods. Plus it's 7AM and I feel funky.

    (Posted anon as to avoid any shit/bullshit moderations.)

    - Khaed

  69. I'm stupid -- but not as stupid as some mods. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That'll teach me to preview when I've been up all night:

    This post.

    (Yeah, I'm that irritated by shitty moderations this week. Fuckers need to learn what "flamebait" means.)